What do we do to appease the gender balance people when we finally admit our failure?
Send the ladies you described to explain to the gender balance people that their views are inaccurate and their efforts unhelpful. Fact and reason has to count for something, no?
You would think it would count for something, but Third wave feminism has some ideas that are remarkably resistant to logic.
It's kind of like a far left wing version of the right wing "trickle down economics" concept, in that it is a crazy idea that just won't go away.
Hopefully your idea of women telling the gynocracy ladies that "We will be what we want to be - not what you demand us to be" will win the day. Because in the end, a group of women telling other women what that have to be is as pernicious as men telling women what they have to be.
Be what you want to be ladies, if you want to be an engineer or scientist, then do it! But make certain that you want to do it, because it is a career like no other.
He's probably less of an exception than you would assume.
Have you seen the "surge" of ADHD cases in high schools ?
That's because we want to drug children so they aren't troublesome.
I would definitely be a candidate for Ritalin if I were in High school today. I fidget, my mind works on several things at once, I was impatient as all hell when I was in School. I'm still like that, but I'm also annoyaing as all fuck, so thy would have drugged my up right nice.
I was concerned when we had our son, but Ice Hockey kept him calm in school. Exercise and an outlet for aggression beats the shit out of drugs.
People who get demoralized by math, probably shouldn't pursue a career in a STEM field. The earlier you can sort out who's interested and who's not, the better. That applies to both men and women equally, by the way.
But how do we appease the people that believe that male and female minds are identical, and that the only thing keeping women out of math intense fields is men? This is actually a serious question, because these people have no intention of changing their minds as to the cause of the imbalance.
I'm convinced that as a generality there are some differences in the way male and female brains are wired. There are definitely outliers in each gender, but if we are going to have the same number of females in STEM as males, we're going to have to force them whether they want to be in STEM or not.
For the ones who are driven to become top level scientists and engineers (and writers!), it is not. How many professional basketball players weren't really that interested in sports in high school?
I spent my career in STEM. I know of only three people who thought ot get in it because of being attracted by recruiting efforts.
All three ladies left after a couple years. They ended up not liking the work.
I knew what I was going to be by the time I was 8 years old.
You're incapable of being a ballerina. Women are capable of becoming STEM professionals. This should be obvious, but to a lot of slashdotters, it seems like it is not.
Women most certainly can be just about anything they want to be. And should be if they are so inclined.
But time after time, we find out that they don't want to be what they don't want to be.
And blaming it on men is like looking for your car keys under a streetlamp because the light is good, when you know you lost the keys 50 yards away. People who "know" that males in STEM are violent sexist rapists of greater evil than any other field need to see what happens in the business world.
But as long as we demand gender balance in STEM, the only way we will achieve that is to remove any choice from women, and force them into STEM Otherwise, they are as interested in STEM as they are in hauling garbage.
I've worked with some darn good female engineers and scientists, and the common thread is they wanted to be doing that, and they knew they wanted to be that from a very young age. They also are united in believing the present female recruiting efforts are doomed. Interest in Stem is not something that you can take just anyone and tell them they are interested in it.
What do we do to appease the gender balance people when we finallly admit our failure?
The EPA didn't exist when the Cuyahoga burnt. Or I should say when it burned in 1969. There have been at least 13 fires on the river. The first one was in 1868. The fire in 1969 helped spur the creation of the EPA.
As for protecting us, its difficult. Your logic is complling however - it appears you are saying that we'd be safer from things like the fire and any harm if the EPA didn't exist. Perhaps we shall find out.
After a fashion - yes. I stopped going to movies, and paying much attention to them some years ago, when I figured out that since I'd seen everything already, I didn't need to see anything more.
So although I sorta keep track of what's happening, I don't pay that close attention.
90 percent of what I watch now when I do watch a movie is ancient stuff on AMC.
I mean, come on, who would want to DRINK POO? Waiting. Waiting. Ah, yes, there is only one answer. Martin Espinoza is a RETARD.
For some reason, this comment may or may not be modded down by some racist that disagrees with me.
Is there a Slashdot acheivement for getting your handle name in a thread?
You need to do a little research to see how far we have come, and how far we still need to go. Anyone up for a glass of coalmine drainage water?
This comment struck me as amusing since the EPA is trying to shut down facilitates that process coal waste and turn that waste into something useful (e.g. ingredients of portland cement). The Obama administration's all out war on coal has a hidden cost, which includes more slurry ponds, more pollutants being stored there than are necessary, and increased risk of ecological disasters.
So what you're saying is that we need to mine more coal so we have to make more ways of treating the effluent.
Got it. You want a gallon of that mine drainage orangewater? I have a special going now You pay for shipping, and I'll send you all you want.
No you know some folks that believe privacy is over rated for every One but themselves. If you started telling people their private secrets they would flip out.
A lot of conservatives believe that rules should apply to only to themselves.
Wait - do you mean apply to everyone but themselves?
I 'have long applied the "Who''s yelling loudest" tool to people. And it works pretty well.
I'm always suspicious of the upstanding citizen who rails on about homosexuals, or family values. These people tend to have inner demons that cause them to project. Some times it's because they know they have that problem, and are trying to stop. Other times just because they think the kink is a little more fun when it's really dirty or sick.
I've always said, The devil will appear as a man of the cloth, and the traitor will wrap himself in the flag.
And these folk might rue the day they put up a profit mechanism that might expose their own "issues"
You could always marry someone who actually likes you. Sorry impossible to keep a straight face here.;)
I did. Been married 40 years now. But some folks change after marriage. A lot. If after 10 years of marriage, your partner just needs to find herself, or just doesn't feel fulfilled, you are pretty well screwed. Hell, my wife changed. Fortunately, not into an asshole.
Yeah, because we are going to instantly revert to some state of dumping 55 gallon drums of oil right onto all the waterways now that there is some transparency in the system.
the most recent disastrous trumpcare bill was done in secret. I guess "trust me" legislation is still in force, huh science denier?
As long as Trump does it, they are cool with it.
By the way, Trump' s former national security advisor Michael Flynn is willing to testify before federal and congressional investigators in their probe into Russian meddling in the US elections, but only if he is granted immunity. http://lawnewz.com/legal-analy...
Hehe, this shit just gets better all the time. I have the corn popping, and you like your tequila neat or in a mixer? the smoke is getting thick, and the party is ready to roll.
Another issue is the open data requirement. It's a nice idea, but a lot of studies are done with proprietary data, and even for the ones with open data the EPA is going to have to jump through a lot of red tape to satisfy the requirements.
I can see that side of the question, but in the end, if EPA can promulgate regulations without revealing the underlying data, we're accepting the argument, "Trust us, we're your government." Are we really willing to go there? We're forced into that situation with our spy agencies. How well has that worked out for us?
I can hardly wait until the Cuyahoga burns again. You need to do a little research to see how far we have come, and how far we still need to go. Anyone up for a glass of coalmine drainage water? Kids love it! I can get a shitload of it about a half hour from here. Looks a little like orange juice. Want some?
You see, if you think you want to get rid of "Trust us we're your Government", your saying you want "Trust us, we're from the industry." That isn't how it works. The short term profit motive demand making the most money possible with the least expense. That's why we have to protect capitaism from itself. Because if they don't have to spend money on cleaning up after themselves, they won't.
Lest you think I'm some sort of tree huggger, that land around here that is ruined, is ruined forever. No lumber company is going to cut the shit timber - if there is any - and make a profit, no real estate company is going to make neighbohoods with families that drive the economy. No Wal Mart is going to build in a place that has been ruined forever, and employ people and make a profit.
Good science withstands close scrutiny and is dam hard to deny.
As for personal information, it can be redacted.
Do not underestimate our power of denial. Laws of physics do not stand up to us. And we're going to take care of HIPPA as well. Privacy is so overrated, and if someone had to get treatment for STD's or any other embarassing personal thing, well they shouldn't have gotten them in the first place.
Trow money at this problem all they want to, and it won't fix it. When the shit hits the fan, and their wireless network fails, like they always do, they'll have to rely on people who actually understand RF, and propagation, and all of the tricks and techniques that cannot be duplicated by infrastructure.
Then they'll want 20 billion for the next sytem that won't work.
As well with almost all movies being reboots or remakes, and predictable, and Hey! another Marvel Comics superhero flick! How original!
Or worse yet, when you run out of ideas for new Marvel Comics superhero flicks, you make yet another reboot of a Marvel Comics superhero flick that's already been rebooted before...
You do know that's going to happen.
Has Sophia Coppolla actually made any good movies? The only movie of hers I've seen was "The Virgin Suicides", years ago. It sucked. And so did her acting in Godfather III.
I suspect she whouldn't have made it very far without riding on someone's coattails. Let's look at the fims she was in - any connection? And she did win a worst supporting Actress Razzie.
I think kid-free films will be a big thing in the coming years.
That is what has happened to a lot of restaurants. Mr and Mrs Clueless with their undisciplined larvae, who make a huge nuisance of themselves, and then a scene if you try to do anything about it, are finding that they are being limited in choices.
Probably about half the reason I don't go to movie theaters any more. A children free movie night would probably be a big hit if any theater was brave enough to have them.
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Dirty mind! Isn't there a porn site where people go to tell those stories?
What do we do to appease the gender balance people when we finally admit our failure?
Send the ladies you described to explain to the gender balance people that their views are inaccurate and their efforts unhelpful. Fact and reason has to count for something, no?
You would think it would count for something, but Third wave feminism has some ideas that are remarkably resistant to logic.
It's kind of like a far left wing version of the right wing "trickle down economics" concept, in that it is a crazy idea that just won't go away.
Hopefully your idea of women telling the gynocracy ladies that "We will be what we want to be - not what you demand us to be" will win the day. Because in the end, a group of women telling other women what that have to be is as pernicious as men telling women what they have to be.
Be what you want to be ladies, if you want to be an engineer or scientist, then do it! But make certain that you want to do it, because it is a career like no other.
He's probably less of an exception than you would assume.
Have you seen the "surge" of ADHD cases in high schools ?
That's because we want to drug children so they aren't troublesome.
I would definitely be a candidate for Ritalin if I were in High school today. I fidget, my mind works on several things at once, I was impatient as all hell when I was in School. I'm still like that, but I'm also annoyaing as all fuck, so thy would have drugged my up right nice.
I was concerned when we had our son, but Ice Hockey kept him calm in school. Exercise and an outlet for aggression beats the shit out of drugs.
Women were demoralized
People who get demoralized by math, probably shouldn't pursue a career in a STEM field. The earlier you can sort out who's interested and who's not, the better. That applies to both men and women equally, by the way.
But how do we appease the people that believe that male and female minds are identical, and that the only thing keeping women out of math intense fields is men? This is actually a serious question, because these people have no intention of changing their minds as to the cause of the imbalance.
I'm convinced that as a generality there are some differences in the way male and female brains are wired. There are definitely outliers in each gender, but if we are going to have the same number of females in STEM as males, we're going to have to force them whether they want to be in STEM or not.
For the ones who are driven to become top level scientists and engineers (and writers!), it is not. How many professional basketball players weren't really that interested in sports in high school?
I spent my career in STEM. I know of only three people who thought ot get in it because of being attracted by recruiting efforts.
All three ladies left after a couple years. They ended up not liking the work.
I knew what I was going to be by the time I was 8 years old.
You're incapable of being a ballerina. Women are capable of becoming STEM professionals. This should be obvious, but to a lot of slashdotters, it seems like it is not.
Women most certainly can be just about anything they want to be. And should be if they are so inclined.
But time after time, we find out that they don't want to be what they don't want to be.
And blaming it on men is like looking for your car keys under a streetlamp because the light is good, when you know you lost the keys 50 yards away. People who "know" that males in STEM are violent sexist rapists of greater evil than any other field need to see what happens in the business world.
But as long as we demand gender balance in STEM, the only way we will achieve that is to remove any choice from women, and force them into STEM Otherwise, they are as interested in STEM as they are in hauling garbage.
I've worked with some darn good female engineers and scientists, and the common thread is they wanted to be doing that, and they knew they wanted to be that from a very young age. They also are united in believing the present female recruiting efforts are doomed. Interest in Stem is not something that you can take just anyone and tell them they are interested in it.
What do we do to appease the gender balance people when we finallly admit our failure?
Oh wait - looks like the people they bought didn't think about their browser history being part of the fun.
Can't we hold off on not implementing selling them until we get the people who voted for this bill's browser history?
Like the man said: nobody.
Verified! ;^)
Thank God we don't have to worry about the Cuyahoga river burning or 2015 Gold King Mine waste water spill now that the EPA is protecting us!
The EPA didn't exist when the Cuyahoga burnt. Or I should say when it burned in 1969. There have been at least 13 fires on the river. The first one was in 1868. The fire in 1969 helped spur the creation of the EPA.
As for protecting us, its difficult. Your logic is complling however - it appears you are saying that we'd be safer from things like the fire and any harm if the EPA didn't exist. Perhaps we shall find out.
DrinkyPoo is my fave /. handle
It reminds me of a friends mother when I was just out of high school, who referred to mixed drinks with that term. Nice lady and a lot of fun.
Did you just come through a time-warp?.
After a fashion - yes. I stopped going to movies, and paying much attention to them some years ago, when I figured out that since I'd seen everything already, I didn't need to see anything more.
So although I sorta keep track of what's happening, I don't pay that close attention.
90 percent of what I watch now when I do watch a movie is ancient stuff on AMC.
I mean, come on, who would want to DRINK POO? Waiting. Waiting. Ah, yes, there is only one answer. Martin Espinoza is a RETARD. For some reason, this comment may or may not be modded down by some racist that disagrees with me.
Is there a Slashdot acheivement for getting your handle name in a thread?
So what you're saying is that alt-nazi trumpanzees consider it derogatory? Talk about a misleading headline. Nobody cares what those guys think.
Trump does.
You need to do a little research to see how far we have come, and how far we still need to go. Anyone up for a glass of coalmine drainage water?
This comment struck me as amusing since the EPA is trying to shut down facilitates that process coal waste and turn that waste into something useful (e.g. ingredients of portland cement). The Obama administration's all out war on coal has a hidden cost, which includes more slurry ponds, more pollutants being stored there than are necessary, and increased risk of ecological disasters.
So what you're saying is that we need to mine more coal so we have to make more ways of treating the effluent.
Got it. You want a gallon of that mine drainage orangewater? I have a special going now You pay for shipping, and I'll send you all you want.
No you know some folks that believe privacy is over rated for every One but themselves. If you started telling people their private secrets they would flip out.
A lot of conservatives believe that rules should apply to only to themselves.
Wait - do you mean apply to everyone but themselves?
I 'have long applied the "Who''s yelling loudest" tool to people. And it works pretty well.
I'm always suspicious of the upstanding citizen who rails on about homosexuals, or family values. These people tend to have inner demons that cause them to project. Some times it's because they know they have that problem, and are trying to stop. Other times just because they think the kink is a little more fun when it's really dirty or sick.
I've always said, The devil will appear as a man of the cloth, and the traitor will wrap himself in the flag.
And these folk might rue the day they put up a profit mechanism that might expose their own "issues"
You could always marry someone who actually likes you. Sorry impossible to keep a straight face here. ;)
I did. Been married 40 years now. But some folks change after marriage. A lot. If after 10 years of marriage, your partner just needs to find herself, or just doesn't feel fulfilled, you are pretty well screwed. Hell, my wife changed. Fortunately, not into an asshole.
That is my job.
Yeah, because we are going to instantly revert to some state of dumping 55 gallon drums of oil right onto all the waterways now that there is some transparency in the system.
Never underestimate the profit motive.
Your logic is tiresomely old or sarcastically humorous.
In either case, it fails.
Following that reasoning, a victim of robbery shouldn't have possessed any items of value.
Yes me hearty, sarcasm. Looks like I might have been a Poe.
Because I do know some folks who believe that sort of thing.
Look, we have 100 people saying mixing lead into their food improves the taste and texture, but exactly two complaints of poisoning.
The data supports more lead in the environment, not less.
Science!
At one time, lead was used as a sweetener. https://www.scienceabc.com/eye...
the most recent disastrous trumpcare bill was done in secret. I guess "trust me" legislation is still in force, huh science denier?
As long as Trump does it, they are cool with it.
By the way, Trump' s former national security advisor Michael Flynn is willing to testify before federal and congressional investigators in their probe into Russian meddling in the US elections, but only if he is granted immunity. http://lawnewz.com/legal-analy...
Hehe, this shit just gets better all the time. I have the corn popping, and you like your tequila neat or in a mixer? the smoke is getting thick, and the party is ready to roll.
Another issue is the open data requirement. It's a nice idea, but a lot of studies are done with proprietary data, and even for the ones with open data the EPA is going to have to jump through a lot of red tape to satisfy the requirements.
I can see that side of the question, but in the end, if EPA can promulgate regulations without revealing the underlying data, we're accepting the argument, "Trust us, we're your government." Are we really willing to go there? We're forced into that situation with our spy agencies. How well has that worked out for us?
I can hardly wait until the Cuyahoga burns again. You need to do a little research to see how far we have come, and how far we still need to go. Anyone up for a glass of coalmine drainage water? Kids love it! I can get a shitload of it about a half hour from here. Looks a little like orange juice. Want some?
You see, if you think you want to get rid of "Trust us we're your Government", your saying you want "Trust us, we're from the industry." That isn't how it works. The short term profit motive demand making the most money possible with the least expense. That's why we have to protect capitaism from itself. Because if they don't have to spend money on cleaning up after themselves, they won't.
Lest you think I'm some sort of tree huggger, that land around here that is ruined, is ruined forever. No lumber company is going to cut the shit timber - if there is any - and make a profit, no real estate company is going to make neighbohoods with families that drive the economy. No Wal Mart is going to build in a place that has been ruined forever, and employ people and make a profit.
Popcorn anyone?
... with it.
Good science withstands close scrutiny and is dam hard to deny.
As for personal information, it can be redacted.
Do not underestimate our power of denial. Laws of physics do not stand up to us. And we're going to take care of HIPPA as well. Privacy is so overrated, and if someone had to get treatment for STD's or any other embarassing personal thing, well they shouldn't have gotten them in the first place.
Then they'll want 20 billion for the next sytem that won't work.
As well with almost all movies being reboots or remakes, and predictable, and Hey! another Marvel Comics superhero flick! How original!
Or worse yet, when you run out of ideas for new Marvel Comics superhero flicks, you make yet another reboot of a Marvel Comics superhero flick that's already been rebooted before...
You do know that's going to happen.
Has Sophia Coppolla actually made any good movies? The only movie of hers I've seen was "The Virgin Suicides", years ago. It sucked. And so did her acting in Godfather III.
I suspect she whouldn't have made it very far without riding on someone's coattails. Let's look at the fims she was in - any connection? And she did win a worst supporting Actress Razzie.
I think kid-free films will be a big thing in the coming years.
That is what has happened to a lot of restaurants. Mr and Mrs Clueless with their undisciplined larvae, who make a huge nuisance of themselves, and then a scene if you try to do anything about it, are finding that they are being limited in choices.
Probably about half the reason I don't go to movie theaters any more. A children free movie night would probably be a big hit if any theater was brave enough to have them.