Most people will buy whatever they see that is attractively packaged on the front page of Amazon or on the shelves at Home Depot, Target, Best Buy, Office Max or the like.
Heck, even on Slashdot, where you'd expect people to be better informed and more concerned about privacy, lots of posters still have gmail addresses, Android phones (with location services enabled, no less) and use Google search and docs.
Because IoT botnets != a gmail account or even an Android phone. IoT can be a privacy issue if you don't want the three letter people knowing the temperature in your basement. If you are actually concerned about privacy of the sort of things you do on the internetz, you wouldn't be on the internetz. Peace out.
A separate "net" should be required for devices, a real IoT. Non-upgradeable net-connected devices is a bad idea. Have we not seen enough of this already?
That still doesn't protect the IoT from being taken down by it's own.
It isn't a big brother narrative, its just data and detective work.
What data and detective work?
The data exists. People want the data. The detective work shohuld be obvious.
Yeah, it's secure. I gues all of those leaks are just shit someone made up. And the internet is inherentlly 100 percent secure by it's very design.
But I get it, wink wink. You have convinced me totally, I was wrong, and stand corrected. Once Google has it, wink, wink, it is 100 percent never to be leaked - perfect security has been achieved.
Tell me what thing belongs to the Simpson and I might be able to advise you.
Sorry bout that. The Simpson's is a Television show about a family of the same name. It's an animated series, and every one is a bright yellow in skin color. So when you wrote about yellow people.......
Yeah. I think if Google were to publish the technical details of how the data is protected, at least many engineers would be convinced (and, actually, impressed). But there's really no way to convince those who find the "big brother" narrative more compelling.
It isn't a big brother narrative, its just data and detective work. I don't see why a person has to be either "the Guvmint is watching you!" or "Nothing to see here folks - move along." Shit's real man.
I'm all over the internet. I just don't care, because I don't put anything private there. Others might. Anything I would need to be kept private, I keep it private. As in physical possession. Precious little of that though.
Trump is recovering allies - Israel and Great Britain for instance - that Obama was all too happy to spit on. The Arab enemies that Obama tried to befriend regard Obama as a fool who can be taken advantage of.
And exactly how does that justify gutting science? Or is this just the typical deflection?
For example, I don't and have never had a Facebook account but it's a well known fact they have dark profiles and my wife uploads pictures with me in them to Facebook without my consent as do other family members.
You don't sound like you're living in the woods, off the grid, in a cabin with your gruel and wood burning stove so chances are SOMEONE has a picture of you online SOMEWHERE without your knowledge.
And outside of people with a legal reason to go to great lengths to avoid any web presence, or some over the top privacy zealots, who would even care?
Just bragging about it on Slashdot makes a person very interesting.
Or he means his employer happens to use Google Sheets to store employee data. Which is hardly a far-fetched concept.
I suppose, though that's hardly "giving the date to Google". Google not only doesn't mine docs or sheets
How cute! Now all you have to do is get people to believe that. I know, I know, "Trust us - we can't tell you why you can trust us, but yeah - we're really trustworthy!"
And there are some people, who not only don't have a sense of humor - that would be you, but get angry enough to act like a child about it - and that would be you.
Life is hard - it's even harder if you have no sense of humor. You can laugh, or you can blow your stack. Laughing or even ignoreing is a better way to get through life. So chillaxe mon chichi!
And speaking of fanboys, if I had posted something about how Apple products are stupidly expensive, only asshole hipsters with more money than brains buy them, and they suck - you'd be wanting to buy me a drink. Consider posting as an Anonymous Coward before you make a fool of yourself again.
Then again, I'm awaiting you doing just that in your reply. in 3...2...1
WTF does that mean? Are they talking about Android? Why don't they just say so. They work on iOS just fine, some I'm not sure why they are pussy-footing around identifying the broken platform.
They mean Android, not "mobile". Why not just say that?
Because Android phones have headphone jacks and keep their users warm at night.
What folks don't seem to realize is that a lot of DoD funding is science.
It is exactly science. And we have no idea where the next advance is coming from. So it isn't possible to determine what will be useful to the military, and what won't. And that includes earthworms on treadmills.
Our military has depended on science for a long long time. We've also shut down a lot of science that we share with the world, which means we are depending on our own research. And if we get to the point where we get our science ideas from Popular Science articles, we are as some folks say - "Well and truly fucked".
Pass the popcorn please - care for a shot of tequila?
The budget is a starting point and I think it was deliberately crafted in an extreme manner to get people's attention--- and it certainly has.
As most people can tell y'all, there is good attention, and bad attention. As I noted in another post, hamstringing the military by gutting science is some severely bad attention. It's also an idea that causes intelligent people to question both the veracity and knowledge of the people crafting it. Some of us would even think that is a way to craft right wing politics into a force that is destructive to the nation in general.
Real right wing politics do not have to be destructive.
Most of the people who voted for Trump are not as stupid as Trump and the people who work for him.
Eating the seed corn is never a good idea, and this is that sort of budget.
Speaking of eating seed corn, I wonder if these masters of the universe understand that our military uses science? And our military needs open science.
Those devices we use to kill our enemies - and make no mistake, we are making more and more enemies every day - are built on a foundation of science. Once it goes into the military, it gets classified and non-open. So new science is needed to provide insights into new devices or procedures.
And the real kicker is that we have no idea where the next advance is coming from. That list of so called stupid wasteful research someone in here is railing about might just come up with a way to save soldier or civilian lives. Medicine, materials, some basic physics, you just never know. So we increase the military budget at the same time we start chiseling away at it's seed corn?
If we are going to do that, we might as well decrease the military budget as well, because it's going to technologically freeze in time. Its the mentality that assumes every enemy is some religious fanatic in the middle east, and never a technologically advanced one.
As likely as not, the next war we fight will end up with us backed into a corner against a coalition of countries that will be technologically superior, and we will then exercise the nuclear option out of desperation, and then the real fun begins.
I do think it's worth pointing out that these are fairly old course videos - up to 10 years old - and the university is in the process of revising them. One imagines that the new videos will be more ADA compliant, due in part to lawsuits like this. They may not have been super excited about maintaining both legacy and new versions of the content, and happy to have an excuse to do away with the old stuff.
Has the university specifically said they were doing that? I do know they said that you will have to log in to see new ones. So people from outside Berkley probably won't be able to access them https://www.insidehighered.com...
I suppose that students from Washington won't be able to see the videos in order to launch another lawsuit.
STFU, the shit is free and open source now. Do you always whine about broken ears this much? Jesus.
Not certain who you are whining about, but this definitely didn't turn out the way the suing students were hoping. They won the case, but UC Uerkley has killed the program, and now the people who are hosting the old videos aren't going to accommodate the winners. As likely as not, it's going to move offshore to a country that doesn't have to deal with the ADA at all. People should always be careful what they wish for, because they just might get it.
Yes. How dare a University say "We have all of this valuable information recorded on video and we are going to give it away to anyone for free.".. It is really great that a couple of handicapped people were able to say "If we can enjoy it as much as you then no one should be able to see it".. This result will really empower people. I'm colorblind and I'm going to sue all of the movie studios and TV stations for presenting their product in color. If I can't see the shows in full color them they should all be forced to present the shows in only black and white so we can all be equal. Screw you, you non-colorblind elitists.
As a pretty deaf person, I understand their frustration. However, if they did not see the likely result of their lawsuit, that is the retroactive captioning of some 20 K videos, well then they are of the modern variety of special snowflakes. Congratulations you two special snowflakes, you WON! Crack open a bottle of ADA compliant whatever it is that snowflakes drink, and know that the world is better for your lawsuit.
China needs to survive their bubbles (stock and real estate) popping without a revolution. It's going to be ugly.
China strikes me as being where the US was in the late 1800's the era of the "robber Barons". Maybe will happen, maybe not. I certainly do not think that the direction the US is heading will work. Seems to be built on the South American Bananna republic model.
The idea that humans can keep up with all new threats is utter shite and bollocks. I assume from your attitude that you test all your food to make sure it isn't poisoned and check your car for car bombs whenever you get in it. If not, you're relying on others to either do their jobs or not be actively malicious. To have a functioning society, we need some level of trust in each other.
Trust? Exactly. But trust works both ways. I have great trust that applications on my smartphone are getting data, and that someone is interested in that data. I trust that if I put personal and or private information on that application, that it is possible for it to escape into the wild, either via the manufacturer of the application, or various actors or groups of actors who enjoy or are paid fof their activities.
For most of us, it will be the former.
I don't even disagree with the fine these assholes are paying. Good for them.
Now that being said, I'm not willing to say that the users never ever had any knowledge that putting personal information into such an application might get out. Unless these are people who never watch the news, never installed any other Application with a screen where they have to acknowledge that the program they are installing collects data about them, they simply have to know.
Unless you are saying that people are specifically not supposed to read the information before they accept the install, that it is somehow teh intelligent thing to do.
The ascendency of stupidity, where all of the victims are vindicated because they can't be bothered to read and understand.
As for your questions that seem to want to invalidate my argument, I do have a tendency to look at my food before I eat it. You can tell a lot of things about it from looking at it. As well, if I take a taste, and something is wrong with the taste - I won't eat it. How odd that you would promote the opposite.
And nope - I don't check the car for explodey things. But it's interesting you would use that analogy.
Because if I were engaging in activities that might get me a pipe atteched to the ignition switch - you're damn right I'd check it.
Just the same way if I put a wanktracker on my smartphone. If you don't want it out there, don't put it out there.
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Most people will buy whatever they see that is attractively packaged on the front page of Amazon or on the shelves at Home Depot, Target, Best Buy, Office Max or the like.
Heck, even on Slashdot, where you'd expect people to be better informed and more concerned about privacy, lots of posters still have gmail addresses, Android phones (with location services enabled, no less) and use Google search and docs.
Because IoT botnets != a gmail account or even an Android phone. IoT can be a privacy issue if you don't want the three letter people knowing the temperature in your basement. If you are actually concerned about privacy of the sort of things you do on the internetz, you wouldn't be on the internetz. Peace out.
There is no IoT .
There is only Zuul.
A separate "net" should be required for devices, a real IoT. Non-upgradeable net-connected devices is a bad idea. Have we not seen enough of this already?
That still doesn't protect the IoT from being taken down by it's own.
Grandpa - you finally got email!
It isn't a big brother narrative, its just data and detective work.
What data and detective work?
The data exists. People want the data. The detective work shohuld be obvious.
Yeah, it's secure. I gues all of those leaks are just shit someone made up. And the internet is inherentlly 100 percent secure by it's very design.
But I get it, wink wink. You have convinced me totally, I was wrong, and stand corrected. Once Google has it, wink, wink, it is 100 percent never to be leaked - perfect security has been achieved.
From your lips to God's ear.
Tell me what thing belongs to the Simpson and I might be able to advise you.
Sorry bout that. The Simpson's is a Television show about a family of the same name. It's an animated series, and every one is a bright yellow in skin color. So when you wrote about yellow people.......
Yeah. I think if Google were to publish the technical details of how the data is protected, at least many engineers would be convinced (and, actually, impressed). But there's really no way to convince those who find the "big brother" narrative more compelling.
It isn't a big brother narrative, its just data and detective work. I don't see why a person has to be either "the Guvmint is watching you!" or "Nothing to see here folks - move along." Shit's real man.
I'm all over the internet. I just don't care, because I don't put anything private there. Others might. Anything I would need to be kept private, I keep it private. As in physical possession. Precious little of that though.
I don't want to waste my time creating an account.
Because creating an account takes less time than that screed you just posted. Thanks for playing.
Trump is recovering allies - Israel and Great Britain for instance - that Obama was all too happy to spit on. The Arab enemies that Obama tried to befriend regard Obama as a fool who can be taken advantage of.
And exactly how does that justify gutting science? Or is this just the typical deflection?
When one company has all these details on you, you're bound to get fucked.
You're thinking about Tinder, not Google.
For example, I don't and have never had a Facebook account but it's a well known fact they have dark profiles and my wife uploads pictures with me in them to Facebook without my consent as do other family members.
You don't sound like you're living in the woods, off the grid, in a cabin with your gruel and wood burning stove so chances are SOMEONE has a picture of you online SOMEWHERE without your knowledge.
And outside of people with a legal reason to go to great lengths to avoid any web presence, or some over the top privacy zealots, who would even care?
Just bragging about it on Slashdot makes a person very interesting.
30+ years of being online and not one picture of me anywhere, either under my pseudonym Dunbal (which I've used since 1986), or my real name.
Looks like you won the internet.
Or he means his employer happens to use Google Sheets to store employee data. Which is hardly a far-fetched concept.
I suppose, though that's hardly "giving the date to Google". Google not only doesn't mine docs or sheets
How cute! Now all you have to do is get people to believe that. I know, I know, "Trust us - we can't tell you why you can trust us, but yeah - we're really trustworthy!"
Because Android phones have headphone jacks and keep their users warm at night.
some people have a short memory , eh fanboy? ;P
And there are some people, who not only don't have a sense of humor - that would be you, but get angry enough to act like a child about it - and that would be you.
Life is hard - it's even harder if you have no sense of humor. You can laugh, or you can blow your stack. Laughing or even ignoreing is a better way to get through life. So chillaxe mon chichi!
And speaking of fanboys, if I had posted something about how Apple products are stupidly expensive, only asshole hipsters with more money than brains buy them, and they suck - you'd be wanting to buy me a drink. Consider posting as an Anonymous Coward before you make a fool of yourself again.
Then again, I'm awaiting you doing just that in your reply. in 3...2...1
I have never seen a single legible sentence from a YT auto-caption.
Cumulative hours of watching videos over my son's shoulder while he has the headphones on, and nothing but gibberish.
Some times for the Lulz, I listen to foreign language videos with the english captions turned on. Hilarious.
WTF does that mean? Are they talking about Android? Why don't they just say so. They work on iOS just fine, some I'm not sure why they are pussy-footing around identifying the broken platform.
They mean Android, not "mobile". Why not just say that?
Because Android phones have headphone jacks and keep their users warm at night.
What folks don't seem to realize is that a lot of DoD funding is science.
It is exactly science. And we have no idea where the next advance is coming from. So it isn't possible to determine what will be useful to the military, and what won't. And that includes earthworms on treadmills.
Our military has depended on science for a long long time. We've also shut down a lot of science that we share with the world, which means we are depending on our own research. And if we get to the point where we get our science ideas from Popular Science articles, we are as some folks say - "Well and truly fucked".
Pass the popcorn please - care for a shot of tequila?
How long? If they can only reach yellow people (not orange ones) then who cares?
What do the Simpson's have to do with this?
The budget is a starting point and I think it was deliberately crafted in an extreme manner to get people's attention--- and it certainly has.
As most people can tell y'all, there is good attention, and bad attention. As I noted in another post, hamstringing the military by gutting science is some severely bad attention. It's also an idea that causes intelligent people to question both the veracity and knowledge of the people crafting it. Some of us would even think that is a way to craft right wing politics into a force that is destructive to the nation in general.
Real right wing politics do not have to be destructive.
Most of the people who voted for Trump are not as stupid as Trump and the people who work for him. Eating the seed corn is never a good idea, and this is that sort of budget.
Speaking of eating seed corn, I wonder if these masters of the universe understand that our military uses science? And our military needs open science.
Those devices we use to kill our enemies - and make no mistake, we are making more and more enemies every day - are built on a foundation of science. Once it goes into the military, it gets classified and non-open. So new science is needed to provide insights into new devices or procedures.
And the real kicker is that we have no idea where the next advance is coming from. That list of so called stupid wasteful research someone in here is railing about might just come up with a way to save soldier or civilian lives. Medicine, materials, some basic physics, you just never know. So we increase the military budget at the same time we start chiseling away at it's seed corn?
If we are going to do that, we might as well decrease the military budget as well, because it's going to technologically freeze in time. Its the mentality that assumes every enemy is some religious fanatic in the middle east, and never a technologically advanced one.
As likely as not, the next war we fight will end up with us backed into a corner against a coalition of countries that will be technologically superior, and we will then exercise the nuclear option out of desperation, and then the real fun begins.
I do think it's worth pointing out that these are fairly old course videos - up to 10 years old - and the university is in the process of revising them. One imagines that the new videos will be more ADA compliant, due in part to lawsuits like this. They may not have been super excited about maintaining both legacy and new versions of the content, and happy to have an excuse to do away with the old stuff.
Has the university specifically said they were doing that? I do know they said that you will have to log in to see new ones. So people from outside Berkley probably won't be able to access them https://www.insidehighered.com...
I suppose that students from Washington won't be able to see the videos in order to launch another lawsuit.
STFU, the shit is free and open source now. Do you always whine about broken ears this much? Jesus.
Not certain who you are whining about, but this definitely didn't turn out the way the suing students were hoping. They won the case, but UC Uerkley has killed the program, and now the people who are hosting the old videos aren't going to accommodate the winners. As likely as not, it's going to move offshore to a country that doesn't have to deal with the ADA at all. People should always be careful what they wish for, because they just might get it.
Yes. How dare a University say "We have all of this valuable information recorded on video and we are going to give it away to anyone for free.". . It is really great that a couple of handicapped people were able to say "If we can enjoy it as much as you then no one should be able to see it". . This result will really empower people. I'm colorblind and I'm going to sue all of the movie studios and TV stations for presenting their product in color. If I can't see the shows in full color them they should all be forced to present the shows in only black and white so we can all be equal. Screw you, you non-colorblind elitists.
As a pretty deaf person, I understand their frustration. However, if they did not see the likely result of their lawsuit, that is the retroactive captioning of some 20 K videos, well then they are of the modern variety of special snowflakes. Congratulations you two special snowflakes, you WON! Crack open a bottle of ADA compliant whatever it is that snowflakes drink, and know that the world is better for your lawsuit.
China needs to survive their bubbles (stock and real estate) popping without a revolution. It's going to be ugly.
China strikes me as being where the US was in the late 1800's the era of the "robber Barons". Maybe will happen, maybe not. I certainly do not think that the direction the US is heading will work. Seems to be built on the South American Bananna republic model.
The idea that humans can keep up with all new threats is utter shite and bollocks. I assume from your attitude that you test all your food to make sure it isn't poisoned and check your car for car bombs whenever you get in it. If not, you're relying on others to either do their jobs or not be actively malicious. To have a functioning society, we need some level of trust in each other.
Trust? Exactly. But trust works both ways. I have great trust that applications on my smartphone are getting data, and that someone is interested in that data. I trust that if I put personal and or private information on that application, that it is possible for it to escape into the wild, either via the manufacturer of the application, or various actors or groups of actors who enjoy or are paid fof their activities.
For most of us, it will be the former.
I don't even disagree with the fine these assholes are paying. Good for them.
Now that being said, I'm not willing to say that the users never ever had any knowledge that putting personal information into such an application might get out. Unless these are people who never watch the news, never installed any other Application with a screen where they have to acknowledge that the program they are installing collects data about them, they simply have to know.
Unless you are saying that people are specifically not supposed to read the information before they accept the install, that it is somehow teh intelligent thing to do.
The ascendency of stupidity, where all of the victims are vindicated because they can't be bothered to read and understand.
As for your questions that seem to want to invalidate my argument, I do have a tendency to look at my food before I eat it. You can tell a lot of things about it from looking at it. As well, if I take a taste, and something is wrong with the taste - I won't eat it. How odd that you would promote the opposite.
And nope - I don't check the car for explodey things. But it's interesting you would use that analogy.
Because if I were engaging in activities that might get me a pipe atteched to the ignition switch - you're damn right I'd check it.
Just the same way if I put a wanktracker on my smartphone. If you don't want it out there, don't put it out there.
Why are the words "in Silicon Valley" in the title?
To get the ragged, tattered remains of Slashdot's technical folk to click on the link.