"Locked down hardware" in the context of personal computers means that you can't use third party hardware.
Um. enlighten me. I've bought much hardware, many peripherals over the years, and haven't had this lockdown issue. Lots of hard drives, had to be formatted differently, but tyhat's hardly exclusive. RAM expansion - pray don't tell me that different RAM modules are an Apple only thing. You see, As a user of both Windows type PCs and Apple PCs, I've bought a lot of hardaware for both.
So aside from say Thunderbolt, what are you talking about? And by the way, I have a normal secondary 27 inch Dell monitor on my Mac that just has a little Thunderbolt adapter.. Looks great. Additional RAM and new hard Drive. All working just fine.
I have 2 USB external hard drives - seem to be working fine for a couple years now. I have USB to serial converters, FTDI at the moment, but I understand that th eprolific chipset has written a proper driver - there was about 6 months after an upgrade ot El Capitan that prolifics weren't supported. I have extension USB hubs - work well, a bluetooth mic/headset that I use often. I have a USB vidccm - works great. I have Thumb drives that just plug right in.
It's not like Apple gets their components from another universe. The idea that I have to use some sort of special apple only hardware is ludicrous - I can take most everything off the MAC and plug it into the PC sitting beside it, and it will work.
So that was probably his point; what the words meant literally was also the "point." A better question would have been, "I don't understand your point, can you elaborate?"
Okay, I get it. I don't understand your point, can you elaborate?
Tell me all about the Apple only hardware that cause you fellows such turmoil and umbrage.
In fact, the software would be a better example of something being locked down. Just not in my direction. I can run Windows software on My Apple. How's that Mac Software running on the Windows machine? But that doesn't count to you so okay.
At which point it could be explained to you that while you can run different software on Apple's hardware, you can't replace Apple's choice of hardware with third party hardware.
At which point I will very respectfully tell you that you are completely full of shit and have no idea of what you are talking about.
My iMac does have some built in onboard devices. But that only means it is "locked down" in the same manner that any mobo device computer is locked down. My Power Macs have lots of expansion capabilities. And the whole argument is specious I have choices, and the Mac ecosystem can be considered locked down only if the Windows ecosystem can be considered locked down.
Tell me please, of the items that I have listed, bought at a local store or online simply does not work - aside from RAM, which if your definition is used, makes many computers "locked down". Any of those devices would fit right in to a Windows or Linux box.
Drives were formatted to Apple except for the thumbs and a transfer hard drive - unless it has changed, My Windows machines won't read Mac formatted disks. So they'd have to be reformatted. But you cannot use that as an example, because you invalidated software.
This is about as stupid a discussion as I've had in here. A metric only car is more locked down than your locked down Mac example.
For the remaining 99%, Windows is just a tool to run some games, play movies, open IE and watch porn, and to occasionally feed some accounting basic Excel spreadsheets.
My wife, who aside from the porn bit, and she spends some time on facebook, is exactly what you describe.
Your sure? Last time I looked at her browsing history,... well, let's say there may be some new gadgets in your bedroom's future.
> I replace my PC's at about 1.5 times the rate of replacing my Macs.
Then you're an even bigger idiot then one would think from the rest of your post. Macs are inherently less maintainable and more prone to failure due to the stupid form factors they use.
Yeah, 20 years of experience doesn't make me correct, but it does make for some more data points - but I was talking about the machines becomine obsolete. If you are trying to talk about mechanical/electronic failures, my experience is even worse for the PC's. The only large scale failure macwise was the crappy electrolytic cap issue with some iMacs around 12 years ago. But Dell was hit with that one as well. Personally, I only had a failure with the power supply of one Xserver. The Windows machines, built on the cheaper is always better chestnut, did fail more often.
My entire Mac flirtation period came and went while my main PC kept chugging along being useful and just powerful enough (despite years of use) that upgrading it makes no sense.
So your virtual non experience is now translated to all Macs?
p>With extra memory slots and the option to upgrade my GPU, it can still remain useful for YEARS despite being pretty old already.
My Macs quickly became doorstops, especially because of the GPUs they came with.
What on earth? Are you sitting there and telling me that Macs are not upgradeable? I guess the larger hard drives and extra memory I easily installed in my latest iMac never happened? It was quite easy as well. My Mac Pros were the epitome of upgradeability.
personal iMac - in your vast experience with Macs - non upgradeable machine, destined to become a door stop - has extra slots filled with new memory, SSD and runs them just fine for a machine that you seem to think cannot be upgraded.
Bitch, please. If you going to call someone an idiot, at least don't make shit up, or speak of things you know nought about.
Before you get your knickers in a bunch: this is most likely just a bug, not intentional.
So you take the "Stay Calm and BOHICA" approach, eh?
This is just the sort of fuckup that Microsoft updates have always done. Only made worse because forcing them on people increased the screwed up computer base.
if it wasn't for the fact Windows 10 is slow and bug ridden
Sorry, I don't really see this on my installation.
I've found your experience. W10 actually runs pretty well.
My objections are the surveillance and forced updates. I've had several no-choice updates on Pro already, and any OS that has a built in keylogger kinda blurs the line between white and black hat world. A lot. Sharing your wifi password is kinda nasty as well. I won't allow W10 machines or Windows phones to attach to my wifi. It's there, and a company who adds such malware and will force updates on you when you tell it not to, and will remove other software on your machine can't be trusted not to turn on either, when you ask them not to.
I have one W10 machine on my home network. You can bet I have Wireshark installed as well. Not on the Windows 10 machine though. I suspect the folks at Redmond might like to remove that particular application.
I slowly started to install some Ubuntu (for ease of use) on my parents' computers, and that fits most of the requirements they have: internet, flash games, video, music.
I've been doing the same with Mint. Ease of use, the interface is familiar for ex-windows users, and no adware games. And almost no complaints, only one was when Mint changed versions and the updates didn't find their repository. That took a few seconds to fix.
Windows machines were always some sort of fight, and it appears they will remain as such.
Except that we're not really losing any of this. Certain hardware that is sold at a loss is pretty locked down. Apple devices are locked up tight but they are so overpriced for the hardware that it doesn't matter.
Jeebus, when you have no idea of what you are talking about, you should at least think a little before you post.
This "locked down" you speak of.....My Mac runs OSX, Windows, and Linux. For such a locked down machine, I have a lot of options.
Your overpriced meme isn't all that hot either. I've owned both PC's and Macs since the early 90's, and there are two constants.
I replace my PC's at about 1.5 times the rate of replacing my Macs.
I find that once I price out comparable PCs, they tend much closer and in a few cases more expensive than Macs.
In the end though, my Mac is a tool that I use, and the Windows PC simply doesn't have the software I need. So I'm glad I don't have to replace them on as short a schedule as my windows machines.
For the remaining 99%, Windows is just a tool to run some games, play movies, open IE and watch porn, and to occasionally feed some accounting basic Excel spreadsheets.
My wife, who aside from the porn bit, and she spends some time on facebook, is exactly what you describe.
She's non-technical as well. And despite what you write, she hates Windows a lot. Evver since I installed Mint on her touchscreen laptop, she's converted to Linux.
assuming it was such a deep discount, and arrived home only to be dismayed when they realized it was the regular price.
Harbor Freight - same thing. You have to pay attention to their specials. I bought a 950 watt Generator for 89 dollars - decent price. But I've seen it as high as 149.00, and once at 79.00.
All the prices advertised as "specials". Same with many other items. Most regulars get used to it, and figure it out
Why don't you just live your own life on your own terms and not be so caught up in what everyone else is doing? Because you demand people pay attention to your pseudo-intellectual nonsense. You crave that attention.
Why don't you just live your own life on your own terms and not be so caught up getting pissed at other people's opinions?
I'm a fan of home automation (a hobby of mine that's increasingly turning into a business). I, and many fellow HA enthusiasts, are firm proponents of the LAN of Things, or even a Separate Network - Controlled By a Hub That is Only Allowed To Connect To the Internet Under Strict Conditions
Like over my cold dead body?
Would you give a warrantee tghat my Washing machine or toaster or heating system will never ever be hacked?
I love technology, a lot more than many slash dotters do.
But nothing has ever been put out to be attached to the interwebz has ever been secure.
There are people out there who fuck with people just because they can - and I'm supposed to give them control of my furnace when I'm on vacation in the winter? Shut that sucker off, pipes break, and they have destroyed my house.
I don't want to have daily mandatory security updates for my refrigerator, or run the risk of some misanthropic sociopath will turn it off for the Lulz. Maybe I pissed off some Slashdotter, so it's time to burst the pipes.
Or do you LoT masterminds have insurance against that sort of thing?
If its not transmitting the data to the internet, and doesn't have the capacity to store video/audio streams itself its not "recording". That said any device with a video/audio input should have hardware based light indicating if that capability is powered or not. No form of software updating/hacking should be able to disable that functionality.
The US had a similar situation in the decades leading up to the First World War. Human nature was the same. Monetary facts of life were the same. The greed was the same. Somehow the facts of life turned out differently than you suggest with the US experiencing a century of prosperity.
It was a different time, we simply don't have teh horizons to enjoy a century of prosperity any more. You better have increased profits the next quarter. Back then, it took a long time to set up new worksites, and shipping was hardly what it is today.
The only impediment is training the new rock bottom workers. That's why the least skilled jobs are outsourced first. Today? IT workers are skilled. Bye bye. A CEO's job can be computerized just like daytrading software. We'll be filthy rich when none of us is working, I guess.
If the entire world were raised to EU standards of living, population would decline to rather lower than current populations, and stay there forever....
You may not be a "1%-er", but to the rest of the world, you are probably a "10%-er". Cry more about having to give up some of your stuff so they can raise their standard of living. It's only fair.
That's a false dichotomy, at least for what I'm pulling in. I'm doing well, mainly by living below my means for a long time - taking the gamble that I owuld live long enough to enjoy it.
But if I gave up most of my money, and it was distributed among all of the poor - it wouldn't make one bit of difference, other than making me very poor as well.
That's hardly any kind of goal. Even if I were to distribute my money between say 20 poo people everyone would be poor. I could give everything away, and add maybe one more person, but I'd be broke.
And that's the issue about the wealth gap. Many of the folks have income higher than many countries GDP. Talk ot them about giving up 10 percent of their income.
This is a known bug in certain economic systems and must be addressed using the correct error handling techniques.
Even nasty old Henry Ford knew that you could make money when your employees could buy your product. That idea, as you pointed out, seems to have been lost.
I look at it from a longer term perspective than you. There are 3 billion people out there without electricity, clean water or sanitation.
I look at it from a even longer term perspective. The earth is straining at it's bindings. Ther are too many people on earth. Because of this situation, our choice might be to have all of us without electricity, clean water or sanitation.
Because in a world where p;eople bloviate how Malthus was wrong, it does not follow that he will always be wrong, unless you ascribe to the idea that the earth's carrying capacity is infinite.
The Overpaid American Worker meme, who at one point was was buying homes, cars, and taking vacations to places like Disneysomething, won't be doing that any more. They'll either be unemployed, or have their wages depressed to third world levels.
Fortunately the Chinese and Indian workers whose incomes are increasing are stepping up to replace the American worker. So all is well, right?
The Chinese are going to find out what happens when your wages get to a certain point. Soon we'll be hearning about the overpass Chinese workers costing too much. Pretty simple, a combination of human nature, monetary facts of life, and pathological pecuniary shakers and movers.
How often is that person from the third world country going to fly his family over to Disney World, pay the 100 dollars a person entrance, the hotels and meals for the time, then fly them all back home?
Probably not WDW Florida and not immediately. But after companies have started to hire skilled workers in the export sector of a particular country's economy, workers in the export sector will be earning more than the workers in non-export sectors.
Respectfully, at the pace that corporate moves these days, as soon as the wages go up, the shareholders cannot have a reduction in profits, so the company has to find more people to pay as little as possible.
Ak Mexico. As wages went up, those people had to lose their jobs.
A sort of positive outcome of the ADHD jobjumping done by Corporate world is that eventually there won't be any more people to pull that stunt with. It is going to be interesting when the whole world is at one pay level. But will that happen before robots take over.
One of the most amusing things in the world of business is billionaires telling people making minimum wage that they are being paid too much.
Shouldn't you have to show that there's a problem first before demanding a change?
I look at it from a longer term perspective, not as some anti-corporate thing.
If maximization of profit is a good thing (and who would argue against that - I certainly have a lot of investments) then it's pretty obvious, a company can enjoy lower expenses by employing the people who will work for the least. Many would call that a no-brainer.
But outsourcing labor, and employing illegal labor has a longer term problem. The Overpaid American Worker meme, who at one point was was buying homes, cars, and taking vacations to places like Disneysomething, won't be doing that any more. They'll either be unemployed, or have their wages depressed to third world levels. Especially in the Disney case, they are getting most of their income not from the wealthiest, but from younger people, and lower middle class. They and many of the "American employee as the enemy" groups are sacrificing their future for this quarter's profits.
I'm not putting my investment money in a corporation that is actively destroying it's customer base.
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"Locked down hardware" in the context of personal computers means that you can't use third party hardware.
Um. enlighten me. I've bought much hardware, many peripherals over the years, and haven't had this lockdown issue. Lots of hard drives, had to be formatted differently, but tyhat's hardly exclusive. RAM expansion - pray don't tell me that different RAM modules are an Apple only thing. You see, As a user of both Windows type PCs and Apple PCs, I've bought a lot of hardaware for both.
So aside from say Thunderbolt, what are you talking about? And by the way, I have a normal secondary 27 inch Dell monitor on my Mac that just has a little Thunderbolt adapter.. Looks great. Additional RAM and new hard Drive. All working just fine.
I have 2 USB external hard drives - seem to be working fine for a couple years now. I have USB to serial converters, FTDI at the moment, but I understand that th eprolific chipset has written a proper driver - there was about 6 months after an upgrade ot El Capitan that prolifics weren't supported. I have extension USB hubs - work well, a bluetooth mic/headset that I use often. I have a USB vidccm - works great. I have Thumb drives that just plug right in. It's not like Apple gets their components from another universe. The idea that I have to use some sort of special apple only hardware is ludicrous - I can take most everything off the MAC and plug it into the PC sitting beside it, and it will work.
So that was probably his point; what the words meant literally was also the "point." A better question would have been, "I don't understand your point, can you elaborate?"
Okay, I get it. I don't understand your point, can you elaborate?
Tell me all about the Apple only hardware that cause you fellows such turmoil and umbrage. In fact, the software would be a better example of something being locked down. Just not in my direction. I can run Windows software on My Apple. How's that Mac Software running on the Windows machine? But that doesn't count to you so okay.
At which point it could be explained to you that while you can run different software on Apple's hardware, you can't replace Apple's choice of hardware with third party hardware.
At which point I will very respectfully tell you that you are completely full of shit and have no idea of what you are talking about.
My iMac does have some built in onboard devices. But that only means it is "locked down" in the same manner that any mobo device computer is locked down. My Power Macs have lots of expansion capabilities. And the whole argument is specious I have choices, and the Mac ecosystem can be considered locked down only if the Windows ecosystem can be considered locked down. Tell me please, of the items that I have listed, bought at a local store or online simply does not work - aside from RAM, which if your definition is used, makes many computers "locked down". Any of those devices would fit right in to a Windows or Linux box.
Drives were formatted to Apple except for the thumbs and a transfer hard drive - unless it has changed, My Windows machines won't read Mac formatted disks. So they'd have to be reformatted. But you cannot use that as an example, because you invalidated software.
This is about as stupid a discussion as I've had in here. A metric only car is more locked down than your locked down Mac example.
For the remaining 99%, Windows is just a tool to run some games, play movies, open IE and watch porn, and to occasionally feed some accounting basic Excel spreadsheets.
My wife, who aside from the porn bit, and she spends some time on facebook, is exactly what you describe.
Your sure? Last time I looked at her browsing history, ... well, let's say there may be some new gadgets in your bedroom's future.
Excellent!!!!!
> I replace my PC's at about 1.5 times the rate of replacing my Macs.
Then you're an even bigger idiot then one would think from the rest of your post. Macs are inherently less maintainable and more prone to failure due to the stupid form factors they use.
Yeah, 20 years of experience doesn't make me correct, but it does make for some more data points - but I was talking about the machines becomine obsolete. If you are trying to talk about mechanical/electronic failures, my experience is even worse for the PC's. The only large scale failure macwise was the crappy electrolytic cap issue with some iMacs around 12 years ago. But Dell was hit with that one as well. Personally, I only had a failure with the power supply of one Xserver. The Windows machines, built on the cheaper is always better chestnut, did fail more often.
My entire Mac flirtation period came and went while my main PC kept chugging along being useful and just powerful enough (despite years of use) that upgrading it makes no sense.
So your virtual non experience is now translated to all Macs?
p>With extra memory slots and the option to upgrade my GPU, it can still remain useful for YEARS despite being pretty old already.
My Macs quickly became doorstops, especially because of the GPUs they came with.
What on earth? Are you sitting there and telling me that Macs are not upgradeable? I guess the larger hard drives and extra memory I easily installed in my latest iMac never happened? It was quite easy as well. My Mac Pros were the epitome of upgradeability.
personal iMac - in your vast experience with Macs - non upgradeable machine, destined to become a door stop - has extra slots filled with new memory, SSD and runs them just fine for a machine that you seem to think cannot be upgraded.
Bitch, please. If you going to call someone an idiot, at least don't make shit up, or speak of things you know nought about.
This "locked down" you speak of .....My Mac runs OSX, Windows, and Linux. For such a locked down machine, I have a lot of options.
How many of those options involve non-Apple-blessed hardware? Any?
I thought not.
Which means absolutely nothing. Did you have a point, or were you digging at the bottom of your applehate barrel?
Before you get your knickers in a bunch: this is most likely just a bug, not intentional.
So you take the "Stay Calm and BOHICA" approach, eh?
This is just the sort of fuckup that Microsoft updates have always done. Only made worse because forcing them on people increased the screwed up computer base.
"Windows 10" hasn't uninstalled anything on any of my workstations.
Could be partly because nothing I own runs any version of any Microsoft OS.
They are working on that though.
Sorry, I don't really see this on my installation.
I've found your experience. W10 actually runs pretty well.
My objections are the surveillance and forced updates. I've had several no-choice updates on Pro already, and any OS that has a built in keylogger kinda blurs the line between white and black hat world. A lot. Sharing your wifi password is kinda nasty as well. I won't allow W10 machines or Windows phones to attach to my wifi. It's there, and a company who adds such malware and will force updates on you when you tell it not to, and will remove other software on your machine can't be trusted not to turn on either, when you ask them not to.
I have one W10 machine on my home network. You can bet I have Wireshark installed as well. Not on the Windows 10 machine though. I suspect the folks at Redmond might like to remove that particular application.
I slowly started to install some Ubuntu (for ease of use) on my parents' computers, and that fits most of the requirements they have: internet, flash games, video, music.
I've been doing the same with Mint. Ease of use, the interface is familiar for ex-windows users, and no adware games. And almost no complaints, only one was when Mint changed versions and the updates didn't find their repository. That took a few seconds to fix.
Windows machines were always some sort of fight, and it appears they will remain as such.
Except that we're not really losing any of this. Certain hardware that is sold at a loss is pretty locked down. Apple devices are locked up tight but they are so overpriced for the hardware that it doesn't matter.
Jeebus, when you have no idea of what you are talking about, you should at least think a little before you post.
This "locked down" you speak of .....My Mac runs OSX, Windows, and Linux. For such a locked down machine, I have a lot of options.
Your overpriced meme isn't all that hot either. I've owned both PC's and Macs since the early 90's, and there are two constants.
I replace my PC's at about 1.5 times the rate of replacing my Macs.
I find that once I price out comparable PCs, they tend much closer and in a few cases more expensive than Macs.
In the end though, my Mac is a tool that I use, and the Windows PC simply doesn't have the software I need. So I'm glad I don't have to replace them on as short a schedule as my windows machines.
For the remaining 99%, Windows is just a tool to run some games, play movies, open IE and watch porn, and to occasionally feed some accounting basic Excel spreadsheets.
My wife, who aside from the porn bit, and she spends some time on facebook, is exactly what you describe.
She's non-technical as well. And despite what you write, she hates Windows a lot. Evver since I installed Mint on her touchscreen laptop, she's converted to Linux.
Because it's one metric shitload easier to use.
assuming it was such a deep discount, and arrived home only to be dismayed when they realized it was the regular price.
Harbor Freight - same thing. You have to pay attention to their specials. I bought a 950 watt Generator for 89 dollars - decent price. But I've seen it as high as 149.00, and once at 79.00. All the prices advertised as "specials". Same with many other items. Most regulars get used to it, and figure it out
Could it be that the above is the true reason, or at least one of the more valid reasons, for the season?
Absolutely. Getting together with friends and family, enjoying a few adult beverages, and overeating is what it's all about.
I'm not even the type who needs a lot of human contact, and I enjoy it.
And coming from an extended family dominated by super cooks, I have a very easy decision as for a new years resolution.
But if you do that, you won't be able to co-opt the Roman holiday of Saturnalia.
Personally, I think we should bring back Saturnalia.
Excellent! I thought about putting Christ in Christmas but I just couldn't work up an outrage against Starbuck's red cups.
Why don't you just live your own life on your own terms and not be so caught up in what everyone else is doing? Because you demand people pay attention to your pseudo-intellectual nonsense. You crave that attention.
Why don't you just live your own life on your own terms and not be so caught up getting pissed at other people's opinions?
I'm a fan of home automation (a hobby of mine that's increasingly turning into a business). I, and many fellow HA enthusiasts, are firm proponents of the LAN of Things, or even a Separate Network - Controlled By a Hub That is Only Allowed To Connect To the Internet Under Strict Conditions
Like over my cold dead body?
Would you give a warrantee tghat my Washing machine or toaster or heating system will never ever be hacked?
I love technology, a lot more than many slash dotters do.
But nothing has ever been put out to be attached to the interwebz has ever been secure.
And at the tender mercies of people like this:
http://specialreports.dailydot...
There are people out there who fuck with people just because they can - and I'm supposed to give them control of my furnace when I'm on vacation in the winter? Shut that sucker off, pipes break, and they have destroyed my house.
I don't want to have daily mandatory security updates for my refrigerator, or run the risk of some misanthropic sociopath will turn it off for the Lulz. Maybe I pissed off some Slashdotter, so it's time to burst the pipes. Or do you LoT masterminds have insurance against that sort of thing?
If its not transmitting the data to the internet, and doesn't have the capacity to store video/audio streams itself its not "recording". That said any device with a video/audio input should have hardware based light indicating if that capability is powered or not. No form of software updating/hacking should be able to disable that functionality.
And a piece od black Electrician's tape.
The US had a similar situation in the decades leading up to the First World War. Human nature was the same. Monetary facts of life were the same. The greed was the same. Somehow the facts of life turned out differently than you suggest with the US experiencing a century of prosperity.
It was a different time, we simply don't have teh horizons to enjoy a century of prosperity any more. You better have increased profits the next quarter. Back then, it took a long time to set up new worksites, and shipping was hardly what it is today.
The only impediment is training the new rock bottom workers. That's why the least skilled jobs are outsourced first. Today? IT workers are skilled. Bye bye. A CEO's job can be computerized just like daytrading software. We'll be filthy rich when none of us is working, I guess.
If the entire world were raised to EU standards of living, population would decline to rather lower than current populations, and stay there forever....
And you think that is going to happen?
You may not be a "1%-er", but to the rest of the world, you are probably a "10%-er". Cry more about having to give up some of your stuff so they can raise their standard of living. It's only fair.
That's a false dichotomy, at least for what I'm pulling in. I'm doing well, mainly by living below my means for a long time - taking the gamble that I owuld live long enough to enjoy it.
But if I gave up most of my money, and it was distributed among all of the poor - it wouldn't make one bit of difference, other than making me very poor as well.
That's hardly any kind of goal. Even if I were to distribute my money between say 20 poo people everyone would be poor. I could give everything away, and add maybe one more person, but I'd be broke.
And that's the issue about the wealth gap. Many of the folks have income higher than many countries GDP. Talk ot them about giving up 10 percent of their income.
This is a known bug in certain economic systems and must be addressed using the correct error handling techniques.
Even nasty old Henry Ford knew that you could make money when your employees could buy your product. That idea, as you pointed out, seems to have been lost.
I look at it from a longer term perspective than you. There are 3 billion people out there without electricity, clean water or sanitation.
I look at it from a even longer term perspective. The earth is straining at it's bindings. Ther are too many people on earth. Because of this situation, our choice might be to have all of us without electricity, clean water or sanitation.
Because in a world where p;eople bloviate how Malthus was wrong, it does not follow that he will always be wrong, unless you ascribe to the idea that the earth's carrying capacity is infinite.
The Overpaid American Worker meme, who at one point was was buying homes, cars, and taking vacations to places like Disneysomething, won't be doing that any more. They'll either be unemployed, or have their wages depressed to third world levels.
Fortunately the Chinese and Indian workers whose incomes are increasing are stepping up to replace the American worker. So all is well, right?
The Chinese are going to find out what happens when your wages get to a certain point. Soon we'll be hearning about the overpass Chinese workers costing too much. Pretty simple, a combination of human nature, monetary facts of life, and pathological pecuniary shakers and movers.
from a country with a much lower standard of living
Does this raise or lower the standard of living in those places?`
What happens is that the standard of living tends upward in the power country, and lover in the country with a higher standard of living.
But all is not well. As SOL's creep up, people tend to want more. More pay, more time off. Stuff like that.
Since the company has to make more profit this quarter, they will try to source work to another, lower paid country.
The end result will be somewhat leveling of the playing field, but countries like America will be tending closer to the third world countries .
How often is that person from the third world country going to fly his family over to Disney World, pay the 100 dollars a person entrance, the hotels and meals for the time, then fly them all back home?
Probably not WDW Florida and not immediately. But after companies have started to hire skilled workers in the export sector of a particular country's economy, workers in the export sector will be earning more than the workers in non-export sectors.
Respectfully, at the pace that corporate moves these days, as soon as the wages go up, the shareholders cannot have a reduction in profits, so the company has to find more people to pay as little as possible.
Ak Mexico. As wages went up, those people had to lose their jobs.
A sort of positive outcome of the ADHD jobjumping done by Corporate world is that eventually there won't be any more people to pull that stunt with. It is going to be interesting when the whole world is at one pay level. But will that happen before robots take over.
One of the most amusing things in the world of business is billionaires telling people making minimum wage that they are being paid too much.
Shouldn't you have to show that there's a problem first before demanding a change?
I look at it from a longer term perspective, not as some anti-corporate thing.
If maximization of profit is a good thing (and who would argue against that - I certainly have a lot of investments) then it's pretty obvious, a company can enjoy lower expenses by employing the people who will work for the least. Many would call that a no-brainer.
But outsourcing labor, and employing illegal labor has a longer term problem. The Overpaid American Worker meme, who at one point was was buying homes, cars, and taking vacations to places like Disneysomething, won't be doing that any more. They'll either be unemployed, or have their wages depressed to third world levels. Especially in the Disney case, they are getting most of their income not from the wealthiest, but from younger people, and lower middle class. They and many of the "American employee as the enemy" groups are sacrificing their future for this quarter's profits.
I'm not putting my investment money in a corporation that is actively destroying it's customer base.