Wow someone has some real anger issues, and yes I am simple. I like it that way.
This is the reason I posted what I did. This is an emotional response to try and solve a problem.
Actually, there is no need for emotion. Just have people have some responsibility.
The concept that the Top person at a company is a relatively new idea. Once upon a time, old Harry Truman noted that "The Buck Stops Here".
Today, it appears that today's version the CEO is alomst immune from any kind of prosecution. No responsibility to anyone at a company, or to the nation. Their only responsibility is to the stockholders, and not the law. You have to be exceptionally corrupt, like Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos infamy to have any actual repercussions.
Yeah, never mind whether the guy held responsible had anything to do with the crime...
Note that most CEO's, while they may be responsible for the decision to gather massive amounts of data, aren't actually writing code, so holding them responsible for bad code is...questionable.
The CEO is responsible to the stockholders. If the company gets rocked a bit by the number one guy going to jail, maybe getting a new boyfriend while there - they might have something to say about it.
It's better to hold the executive responsible rather than the managers or developers who chose poor security practices because s/he's the rich one!
Has nothing to do with money. Has everything to do with who holds the power. Managers? not much. Developers, none. CEO? they want to protect those millions they make.
We've become so weird in this country. The part that is related to money is that with a big paycheck should come big responsibility. Yet we go in the opposite direction, making that big paycheck owner absolved and immune from all guilt.
And I do agree, "It is impossible to completely prevent a data breach". Its like trying to prevent a burglary or an assault. You can make it more difficult, but you can't stop it 100%.
Yup, and we tend to make perfect the enemy of good.
If you read the proposed law (https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019.4.2%20Corporate%20Executive%20Accountability%20Act%20Text.pdf) it "establish criminal liability for negligent executive officers of major corporations" who "has the responsibility and authority to take necessary measures to
prevent or remedy violations."
So, if a corp has been found to be negligent in its handling of data, they aren't just fined, but the executives responsible can be sent to prison. She isn't an IT security expert. Neither are those executives. Still, there are industry standards. We would hold executives who manage our water supply responsible if it were sub-standard and they failed to correct the situation.
One of the best peices of advice I ever got was that if you want to fix a problem, you make it the problem of the person who can fix it.
Right now, there really is no actual punishment. People go tsk, tsk, a janitor gets fired, and it's onto where the stockholder's meeting is going to be held discussions.
If the guy at the top is looking at some serious punishment, he or she will make certain that data security is taken seriously.
Most all of these breaches have been over seriously simple stuff that never should have happened.
Curious why you single out Apple when Samsung, Nokia, Dell, Sharp, Google, Amazon, Sony, and everyone else have their stuff made by Foxconn too. All of these companies go over their devices thoroughly as they know any security issue could have HUGE negative repercussions for them.
Nothing to be curious about. When Slashdotters hate Apple, anything is fodder for for their angst and anger. The fact that other companies use FoxConn is irrelevant.
Yea, you're not actual IT. You're a computer concierge.
Okay, apparently I lack the deep seated insecurity and bitterness to be an actual real IT person.
Which is fine, if that's the job you want, and the people actually want to pay for it. Some do, and get that. Some don't.
That wasn't actually the job I wanted. It wasn't even my actual career.
Even the janitors are not called to operate the toilet for users.
Don't ever let anyone tell you you don't have an amusing attitude. It is pretty obvious you don't take telling. Unfortunate that people can get some good advice and be held in contempt for it. I'm just another person for you to dislike, just like the people you support.
As I noted, my support wasn't my "job" as it were. I didn't actually want to do the support for these guys and gals. But since I was in many of the meetings, it was expedient and actually saved money. Rooms full of 6 figure people have an impressive burn rate.
But aside from expediency, the attitude that is so often displayed by IT people is so obvious to the so called "idiots" they fix computers for. You might think they are idiots , but they are orders of magnitude more perceptive than you.
As perhaps not an "Actual IT" person, I lacked that attitude. I liked these guys and gals, and they all liked me. Some were complete computer illiterates. I didn't care. I was happy to help.
But really, don't be too surprised that IT departments are held in the low esteem they have worked so hard to achieve. That attitude is not the path to success. Being a cost center is just telling you that they wouldn't employ you if they could figure out a good way to get rid of you. But then I'm wasting my time telling something to someone who doesn't take telling.
The problem is, what happens when more automakers decide they only want to make EVs?
Assuming that you are in the US, we have a subset of people who detune their diesel engine pick-m-ups so they can "roll coal" whenever they see a Prius driver. They also spend a shitload of money on those trucks - it's a huge profit center.
I'm pretty certain you'll be able to buy a petrofueled vehicle in our lifetimes.
Many people here like to go to their cabins 1-3 hours away and go with a big group.
I have a jeep because the state of EV's is not ready for my purposes - but you appear to be demanding that they not be produced because of your particular driving habits.
The state of petrofueled cars in the US of A is good for the time being. But unless you believe in abiotic oil, the supply is not infinite, and most people aren't going to pay the spiraling prices.
Because the whole issue with EV's isn't some people got together and decided to d osomething unecessary. It is the fact that petrofuels are not going to last forever. And we'll need some alternative. NatGas might suffice for some, Some folks are even toying with wood gas. Back in WW2 in Europe you could see cars with little trailers behind them burning wood to make CO which they would then burn in their engines.
Because if you wait until the supply is about run out, you'll be playing catch up. Gasoline and diesel are awesome and energy dense fuels. But like all things there isn't an infinite supply of them. And when the shit really hits the fan, the very expensive supplies left will be a strategic element, and you and your friends will need to find a different way to get to camp because the fuel will be going to national security applications like jet fighters and other aircraft that need that energy dense portable fuel.
A lot of assumptions going on there. I don't treat any of my employees poorly. My private opinions are just that; private.
Well there ya go. Pretending to be a nice guy while holding the people responsible for your employment in contempt. Now we're coming to an understanding.
I'm the IT guy everyone goes to because I'm the only one who gets shit done ( suits or no ).
The problem is a large swath of minimum wage employees suck up an inordinate amount of time for stupid shit; constantly forgetting passwords, forgetting how to use the same software they've used for over a decade, complain their computer is broken when the monitors are powered off, ect...and every one of them blames me by proxy because I'm the computer guy.
I'll bet your contemptuous attitude comes right out. So is it unbearable when you fix something simple? Just terrible that a person such as yourself has to stoop to working with these idiots who in no way are your equal?
Now seriously, your attitude comes across loud and clear even in these posts.
Look, I'm happy for you; you get the sweet job of only supporting a small subset of competent people. Try working a real IT job, where you have to support folks top to bottom.
Here we go. By the way, they actually were not competent in matters of computing. What they were was tired of the problems associated with the IT people, who all displayed the very attitude expressed in the subject line and story, that "IT and security people think that normal people are the worst." And my experience is that is exactly the case, and your postings merely reinforce that.
The very existence of what I was doing was because I wasn't a real IT person.I was polite, never condescending, talked with them as a peer (which I was anyhow) completely socialized, and was very knowledgable about keeping computers in line.
If the "IT Professionals" could do their job without being a pain in the ass, I could have just been a normal participant in the meetings.
Where you have to worry about things like PCI, HIPAA,
All of those things, as well as national security. A mistake could have landed me in jail.
Any IT admin who has a positive opinion of their user base simply isn't doing their job.
You poor, sad man. Something somewhere has gotten your wires crossed. People aren't supposed to hold their customers in contempt. You are the very example of what I am talking about. You are the epitome of this story on Slashdot.
I'm perfectly capable of holding individuals in great contempt and acting on that contempt. But was never able to hold a non-positive opinion of an entire user base. I deal with individuals - some people need to have a simpler outlook where they can brand an entire group as idiots. Good luck with that.
I do feel rather sorry for you, because that is a toxic attutiude you bring, and toxic attitudes poison the workplace and end up being harmful to the person who bings that attitude. Good luck! Considering a different career where your customers aren't held in contempt might be a good move.
It's more about heating the cabin to 23C and still expecting it to have the same range, not starting it. I don't care about starting it, I'll put it in my garage. Fuel injected cars don't need block heaters anyway.
There are many more reasons to heat than just the block. Oil can get pretty sludgy in serious cold, and batteries will show their age and need help (ironic that heat is what kills batteries, but they need heat when cold exposes the damage.
We have people driving Teslas in my area of Pennsylvania. It doesn't get super cold, but the teens ans single digits happen. Guy I see every day is in there without a coat, so it looks like his heater is working.
I look at the whole EV thing as just another type of vehicle. Some people like Pickup trucks, some sporty cars. I'm a Jeep guy myself. I buy them for reasons. I don't expect everyone else to buy jeeps for my reasons. An EV Jeep would suit me just fine, and would keep me warm in the winter. And I'm waiting.... I've got a solar recharge system planned.
But point is, your wishes and my wishes can be very valid points, but High latitudes and offroading are kinda like edge cases.
I'm more concerned about heating the cabin to a comfortable 23C and then trying to get anywhere long distance on the highway.
Sure. If you do a lot of long distance travelling, especially in cold climates, a good old gas powered vehicle with the required heating equipment is the trick.
But for most of us, that isn't life with our automobiles. Most people go to work, come home, go to work, come home, do some shopping, etc. You don't need a vehicle equipped for a 500 mile journey, and even here in Pennsylvania, the temps aren't too bad. Even though this winter wasn't as warm as most lately, I don't think we ever went below 0 degrees (-18 C) this year.
If an electric vehicle isn't for you, you shouldn't buy one. For a large number of us, they are great. Me? I'm a Jeep guy. So I'm not ready for an EV just yet. Soon I hope.
I know it would have to be if I thought the people I was working with were idiots. That would be like spending all your days at a nursing home. You tend to age prematurely.
You're missing a key phrase here; they're technological idiots. Some of the folks I work for are actually quite adept in other fields, and they're the ones that make my job worthwhile.
Mind you...everyone else, ya. They're pretty much wasted space. I figure I'm about 10 years away from automating them out of a job ( voice recognition is the biggest hurdle right now ). It'll be cheaper AND I'll get a better product.
Okay, so you just dislike your job. Unless you like working with idiots.
I guess I never picked up the customer as the enemy outlook so many in here have. That outlook exists to some extent in other fields, but in IT it is pretty much endemic. I've always written it off to insecurity masquerading as arrogance. Those old Saturday Night Live skits about arrogant IT guy are based in truth.
That's exactly how I ended up supporting our suits. I'm not an actual IT person, but since I was in the meetings anyhow, and had the required knowledge, I became the de facto computer support person for mahogany row. The "real" IT people were a pain in the ass to deal with, tended to panic, and often didn't solve the problem.
But even then, I didn't consider the IT people idiots. They were largely shy people in a position where they had to interact with people. This was coupled with a surprising lack of social skills. And as often happens, that coupling breeds false arrogance, and hatred of the people they worked for.
They hated the suits, they hated most of the rest of the employees. They hated me. Hating me was a complicated thing, because if I stopped supporting the suits in our meetings, they would have to. So they ended up being very nice to me. I mostly felt kind of sorry for them.
Regardless, it is so much better to simply consider your co-workers as just people with different skillsets, and to not cop an attitude against some. But it is your choice. I've found that treating the janitor nicely gets my office cleaner, and treating the suits and nice enlarges my paycheck. You might go further thinking they are idiots.
In the USA a person had the freedom to consider a SUV.
An electric car. A classic car. A new car. An older car that had been sold.
Transport at a fair price for working people. People who needed a SUV. People who wanted a SUV. Not buying a SUV and finding a different car.
A car for work. A car to get to work. A car to travel all over the USA.
Not altering the price by using a tax rate to force people into only having the ability to pay for a new electric car.
Now go back and read what I wrote. You could write off 100 percent of your Large SUV up to 100,000 dollars. Money. In your pocket that you would not have if you bought a similarly priced car. And people had pretend businesses so they could do that.
The plane should have been a white board redesign, it should have been balanced such that a pilot could fly it stable with no avionics. This isn't a jet fighter.
It is nothing short of incredible that an unstable airframe is even allowed to be put into passenger service. This is a good thing in fighter jets, a great way to have deathly accidents in a passenger jet.
What is more, the fighter jet is designed from the ground up to be unstable. The software is designed to work with that instability.
This is a case of software attempting to work around a plane that is by it's very design, a deathtrap.
Never said I hated them. But a spade is a spade, and when it comes to technology these folks are spades.
So you like working with people trhat you consider idiots? Some people do - I prefer working with people smarter than me - I learn things. I'm pretty samrt to begin with, and workiong with idiots would be depressing. To each his own I suppose.
I mean that's what I'm saying - I would love to understand why so many IT people think everyone they work for are idiots.
Let me turn this around for you for a moment...
Do you know how to, say, navigate the mazes of international copyright law? Run an ad campaign across multiple social platforms? Or balance ledgers?
Do you want to learn these skills?
The same way you're good at IT, those people are good at something else. And the same way you're not going to be interested in the intricacies of their domain, they aren't in yours. And that doesn't make them any less intelligent than you.
Bingo! Somewhere along the line IT people somehow thought that it was smart to hate the people that are the reason they have a job.
what's even funnier is that the same woman who in private demanded the keys to the kingdom was, to the rank and file employee, a huge proponent of secrecy and compartmentalization...
Those two things so often exist in the same person. And actually, there should be close attention paid to that one.
J4Al4&/rO1.P9DeErxL ) Yes, that's the kind of passwords you should use, even with a secondary two factor authentication device, and it's not hard to learn to remember it, sure - it's not as easy as guitar1234567, and it takes effort to learn it - but most people (if they just kept that note for a few days in the wallet, had to enter it 10 times a day) they WILL remember it, even the average Joe - and their personal security on the net would sky rocket in comparison. But...people are...simple.
You are delusional. Americans find even chip & PIN too hard, have you actually met normal people?
We had to talk him out of a 1028 character long password that used only special characters, that was changed every day. Give the guy a break.....
...normal people think IT guys are just the worst, and they're both right from their point of view.
What a scoop...
I wonder how much of the attitude that IT guys have toward the people that are the reason they have a job is just deep seated insecurity.
We had a guy who would take temper tantrums when called into a meeting to fix a problems the suits were having. He got so nervous that his tendency was to lash out. It really wasn't a smart move, although he did get out of that job.
Or just don't care because it will be someone else's problem?
This one.
Yup, a lot of people have that attitude. The most "conservative guy I know, when asked about what kind of world our grandchildren might have, emphatically said "Fuck our Grandchildren, I want to use whatever I want, And if they die I don't fucking care - That's what I think of what I'm leaving for the future.
He's dead now, ironically, people aren't too unhappy about that, They don't care.
Ok so let's go about it this way. When it goes to -30C in Norway HOW MANY CONSECUTIVE DAYS is it -30C? One or two days would just be an inconvenience with an EV.
They'd be just as much an inconvenience for a petrol fueled engines
For everyone's entertainment - starting a diesel engine in cold weather by building a fire underneath it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Not a lot of point in electric cars, unless you have excess clean electricity, which Norway has in hydro.
Might as well have efficient petrol cars. Anything but the SUVs and pick-ups that plague North America.
Are you an abiotic petroleum theorist? Somehow there is an infinite supply of oil? Or just don't care because it will be someone else's problem?
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Wow someone has some real anger issues, and yes I am simple. I like it that way.
This is the reason I posted what I did. This is an emotional response to try and solve a problem.
Actually, there is no need for emotion. Just have people have some responsibility.
The concept that the Top person at a company is a relatively new idea. Once upon a time, old Harry Truman noted that "The Buck Stops Here".
Today, it appears that today's version the CEO is alomst immune from any kind of prosecution. No responsibility to anyone at a company, or to the nation. Their only responsibility is to the stockholders, and not the law. You have to be exceptionally corrupt, like Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos infamy to have any actual repercussions.
Yeah, never mind whether the guy held responsible had anything to do with the crime...
Note that most CEO's, while they may be responsible for the decision to gather massive amounts of data, aren't actually writing code, so holding them responsible for bad code is...questionable.
The CEO is responsible to the stockholders. If the company gets rocked a bit by the number one guy going to jail, maybe getting a new boyfriend while there - they might have something to say about it.
It's better to hold the executive responsible rather than the managers or developers who chose poor security practices because s/he's the rich one!
Has nothing to do with money. Has everything to do with who holds the power. Managers? not much. Developers, none. CEO? they want to protect those millions they make.
We've become so weird in this country. The part that is related to money is that with a big paycheck should come big responsibility. Yet we go in the opposite direction, making that big paycheck owner absolved and immune from all guilt.
And I do agree, "It is impossible to completely prevent a data breach". Its like trying to prevent a burglary or an assault. You can make it more difficult, but you can't stop it 100%.
Yup, and we tend to make perfect the enemy of good.
If you read the proposed law (https://www.warren.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019.4.2%20Corporate%20Executive%20Accountability%20Act%20Text.pdf) it "establish criminal liability for negligent executive officers of major corporations" who "has the responsibility and authority to take necessary measures to prevent or remedy violations."
So, if a corp has been found to be negligent in its handling of data, they aren't just fined, but the executives responsible can be sent to prison. She isn't an IT security expert. Neither are those executives. Still, there are industry standards. We would hold executives who manage our water supply responsible if it were sub-standard and they failed to correct the situation.
One of the best peices of advice I ever got was that if you want to fix a problem, you make it the problem of the person who can fix it.
Right now, there really is no actual punishment. People go tsk, tsk, a janitor gets fired, and it's onto where the stockholder's meeting is going to be held discussions.
If the guy at the top is looking at some serious punishment, he or she will make certain that data security is taken seriously.
Most all of these breaches have been over seriously simple stuff that never should have happened.
Curious why you single out Apple when Samsung, Nokia, Dell, Sharp, Google, Amazon, Sony, and everyone else have their stuff made by Foxconn too. All of these companies go over their devices thoroughly as they know any security issue could have HUGE negative repercussions for them.
Nothing to be curious about. When Slashdotters hate Apple, anything is fodder for for their angst and anger. The fact that other companies use FoxConn is irrelevant.
Yes, you're so perceptive you missed most of my points.
Oh, heavens no! I got all of your points. You made them indelibly, loud and clear.
You simply might not have made the points you thought you were making.
Concierge here, peace out.
Yea, you're not actual IT. You're a computer concierge.
Okay, apparently I lack the deep seated insecurity and bitterness to be an actual real IT person.
Which is fine, if that's the job you want, and the people actually want to pay for it. Some do, and get that. Some don't.
That wasn't actually the job I wanted. It wasn't even my actual career.
Even the janitors are not called to operate the toilet for users.
Don't ever let anyone tell you you don't have an amusing attitude. It is pretty obvious you don't take telling. Unfortunate that people can get some good advice and be held in contempt for it. I'm just another person for you to dislike, just like the people you support.
As I noted, my support wasn't my "job" as it were. I didn't actually want to do the support for these guys and gals. But since I was in many of the meetings, it was expedient and actually saved money. Rooms full of 6 figure people have an impressive burn rate.
But aside from expediency, the attitude that is so often displayed by IT people is so obvious to the so called "idiots" they fix computers for. You might think they are idiots , but they are orders of magnitude more perceptive than you.
As perhaps not an "Actual IT" person, I lacked that attitude. I liked these guys and gals, and they all liked me. Some were complete computer illiterates. I didn't care. I was happy to help.
But really, don't be too surprised that IT departments are held in the low esteem they have worked so hard to achieve. That attitude is not the path to success. Being a cost center is just telling you that they wouldn't employ you if they could figure out a good way to get rid of you. But then I'm wasting my time telling something to someone who doesn't take telling.
The problem is, what happens when more automakers decide they only want to make EVs?
Assuming that you are in the US, we have a subset of people who detune their diesel engine pick-m-ups so they can "roll coal" whenever they see a Prius driver. They also spend a shitload of money on those trucks - it's a huge profit center.
I'm pretty certain you'll be able to buy a petrofueled vehicle in our lifetimes.
Many people here like to go to their cabins 1-3 hours away and go with a big group.
I have a jeep because the state of EV's is not ready for my purposes - but you appear to be demanding that they not be produced because of your particular driving habits.
The state of petrofueled cars in the US of A is good for the time being. But unless you believe in abiotic oil, the supply is not infinite, and most people aren't going to pay the spiraling prices.
Because the whole issue with EV's isn't some people got together and decided to d osomething unecessary. It is the fact that petrofuels are not going to last forever. And we'll need some alternative. NatGas might suffice for some, Some folks are even toying with wood gas. Back in WW2 in Europe you could see cars with little trailers behind them burning wood to make CO which they would then burn in their engines.
Because if you wait until the supply is about run out, you'll be playing catch up. Gasoline and diesel are awesome and energy dense fuels. But like all things there isn't an infinite supply of them. And when the shit really hits the fan, the very expensive supplies left will be a strategic element, and you and your friends will need to find a different way to get to camp because the fuel will be going to national security applications like jet fighters and other aircraft that need that energy dense portable fuel.
A lot of assumptions going on there. I don't treat any of my employees poorly. My private opinions are just that; private.
Well there ya go. Pretending to be a nice guy while holding the people responsible for your employment in contempt. Now we're coming to an understanding.
I'm the IT guy everyone goes to because I'm the only one who gets shit done ( suits or no ).
The problem is a large swath of minimum wage employees suck up an inordinate amount of time for stupid shit; constantly forgetting passwords, forgetting how to use the same software they've used for over a decade, complain their computer is broken when the monitors are powered off, ect...and every one of them blames me by proxy because I'm the computer guy.
I'll bet your contemptuous attitude comes right out. So is it unbearable when you fix something simple? Just terrible that a person such as yourself has to stoop to working with these idiots who in no way are your equal?
Now seriously, your attitude comes across loud and clear even in these posts.
Look, I'm happy for you; you get the sweet job of only supporting a small subset of competent people. Try working a real IT job, where you have to support folks top to bottom.
Here we go. By the way, they actually were not competent in matters of computing. What they were was tired of the problems associated with the IT people, who all displayed the very attitude expressed in the subject line and story, that "IT and security people think that normal people are the worst." And my experience is that is exactly the case, and your postings merely reinforce that.
The very existence of what I was doing was because I wasn't a real IT person.I was polite, never condescending, talked with them as a peer (which I was anyhow) completely socialized, and was very knowledgable about keeping computers in line.
If the "IT Professionals" could do their job without being a pain in the ass, I could have just been a normal participant in the meetings.
Where you have to worry about things like PCI, HIPAA,
All of those things, as well as national security. A mistake could have landed me in jail.
Any IT admin who has a positive opinion of their user base simply isn't doing their job.
You poor, sad man. Something somewhere has gotten your wires crossed. People aren't supposed to hold their customers in contempt. You are the very example of what I am talking about. You are the epitome of this story on Slashdot.
I'm perfectly capable of holding individuals in great contempt and acting on that contempt. But was never able to hold a non-positive opinion of an entire user base. I deal with individuals - some people need to have a simpler outlook where they can brand an entire group as idiots. Good luck with that.
I do feel rather sorry for you, because that is a toxic attutiude you bring, and toxic attitudes poison the workplace and end up being harmful to the person who bings that attitude. Good luck! Considering a different career where your customers aren't held in contempt might be a good move.
It's more about heating the cabin to 23C and still expecting it to have the same range, not starting it. I don't care about starting it, I'll put it in my garage. Fuel injected cars don't need block heaters anyway.
There are many more reasons to heat than just the block. Oil can get pretty sludgy in serious cold, and batteries will show their age and need help (ironic that heat is what kills batteries, but they need heat when cold exposes the damage.
We have people driving Teslas in my area of Pennsylvania. It doesn't get super cold, but the teens ans single digits happen. Guy I see every day is in there without a coat, so it looks like his heater is working.
I look at the whole EV thing as just another type of vehicle. Some people like Pickup trucks, some sporty cars. I'm a Jeep guy myself. I buy them for reasons. I don't expect everyone else to buy jeeps for my reasons. An EV Jeep would suit me just fine, and would keep me warm in the winter. And I'm waiting.... I've got a solar recharge system planned.
But point is, your wishes and my wishes can be very valid points, but High latitudes and offroading are kinda like edge cases.
I'm more concerned about heating the cabin to a comfortable 23C and then trying to get anywhere long distance on the highway.
Sure. If you do a lot of long distance travelling, especially in cold climates, a good old gas powered vehicle with the required heating equipment is the trick.
But for most of us, that isn't life with our automobiles. Most people go to work, come home, go to work, come home, do some shopping, etc. You don't need a vehicle equipped for a 500 mile journey, and even here in Pennsylvania, the temps aren't too bad. Even though this winter wasn't as warm as most lately, I don't think we ever went below 0 degrees (-18 C) this year.
If an electric vehicle isn't for you, you shouldn't buy one. For a large number of us, they are great. Me? I'm a Jeep guy. So I'm not ready for an EV just yet. Soon I hope.
The pay is good
I know it would have to be if I thought the people I was working with were idiots. That would be like spending all your days at a nursing home. You tend to age prematurely.
You're missing a key phrase here; they're technological idiots. Some of the folks I work for are actually quite adept in other fields, and they're the ones that make my job worthwhile.
Mind you...everyone else, ya. They're pretty much wasted space. I figure I'm about 10 years away from automating them out of a job ( voice recognition is the biggest hurdle right now ). It'll be cheaper AND I'll get a better product.
Okay, so you just dislike your job. Unless you like working with idiots.
I guess I never picked up the customer as the enemy outlook so many in here have. That outlook exists to some extent in other fields, but in IT it is pretty much endemic. I've always written it off to insecurity masquerading as arrogance. Those old Saturday Night Live skits about arrogant IT guy are based in truth.
That's exactly how I ended up supporting our suits. I'm not an actual IT person, but since I was in the meetings anyhow, and had the required knowledge, I became the de facto computer support person for mahogany row. The "real" IT people were a pain in the ass to deal with, tended to panic, and often didn't solve the problem.
But even then, I didn't consider the IT people idiots. They were largely shy people in a position where they had to interact with people. This was coupled with a surprising lack of social skills. And as often happens, that coupling breeds false arrogance, and hatred of the people they worked for.
They hated the suits, they hated most of the rest of the employees. They hated me. Hating me was a complicated thing, because if I stopped supporting the suits in our meetings, they would have to. So they ended up being very nice to me. I mostly felt kind of sorry for them.
Regardless, it is so much better to simply consider your co-workers as just people with different skillsets, and to not cop an attitude against some. But it is your choice. I've found that treating the janitor nicely gets my office cleaner, and treating the suits and nice enlarges my paycheck. You might go further thinking they are idiots.
In the USA a person had the freedom to consider a SUV. An electric car. A classic car. A new car. An older car that had been sold. Transport at a fair price for working people. People who needed a SUV. People who wanted a SUV. Not buying a SUV and finding a different car. A car for work. A car to get to work. A car to travel all over the USA. Not altering the price by using a tax rate to force people into only having the ability to pay for a new electric car.
Now go back and read what I wrote. You could write off 100 percent of your Large SUV up to 100,000 dollars. Money. In your pocket that you would not have if you bought a similarly priced car. And people had pretend businesses so they could do that.
The plane should have been a white board redesign, it should have been balanced such that a pilot could fly it stable with no avionics. This isn't a jet fighter.
It is nothing short of incredible that an unstable airframe is even allowed to be put into passenger service. This is a good thing in fighter jets, a great way to have deathly accidents in a passenger jet.
What is more, the fighter jet is designed from the ground up to be unstable. The software is designed to work with that instability.
This is a case of software attempting to work around a plane that is by it's very design, a deathtrap.
Never said I hated them. But a spade is a spade, and when it comes to technology these folks are spades.
So you like working with people trhat you consider idiots? Some people do - I prefer working with people smarter than me - I learn things. I'm pretty samrt to begin with, and workiong with idiots would be depressing. To each his own I suppose.
I mean that's what I'm saying - I would love to understand why so many IT people think everyone they work for are idiots.
Let me turn this around for you for a moment... Do you know how to, say, navigate the mazes of international copyright law? Run an ad campaign across multiple social platforms? Or balance ledgers? Do you want to learn these skills?
The same way you're good at IT, those people are good at something else. And the same way you're not going to be interested in the intricacies of their domain, they aren't in yours. And that doesn't make them any less intelligent than you.
Bingo! Somewhere along the line IT people somehow thought that it was smart to hate the people that are the reason they have a job.
what's even funnier is that the same woman who in private demanded the keys to the kingdom was, to the rank and file employee, a huge proponent of secrecy and compartmentalization...
Those two things so often exist in the same person. And actually, there should be close attention paid to that one.
J4Al4&/rO1.P9DeErxL ) Yes, that's the kind of passwords you should use, even with a secondary two factor authentication device, and it's not hard to learn to remember it, sure - it's not as easy as guitar1234567, and it takes effort to learn it - but most people (if they just kept that note for a few days in the wallet, had to enter it 10 times a day) they WILL remember it, even the average Joe - and their personal security on the net would sky rocket in comparison. But...people are ...simple.
You are delusional. Americans find even chip & PIN too hard, have you actually met normal people?
We had to talk him out of a 1028 character long password that used only special characters, that was changed every day. Give the guy a break.....
...normal people think IT guys are just the worst, and they're both right from their point of view. What a scoop...
I wonder how much of the attitude that IT guys have toward the people that are the reason they have a job is just deep seated insecurity.
We had a guy who would take temper tantrums when called into a meeting to fix a problems the suits were having. He got so nervous that his tendency was to lash out. It really wasn't a smart move, although he did get out of that job.
We all know it's true; when it comes to technology, most employees are idiots. Management too.
My response is when you hate the people you work for, and you hate the people that are the reason that you have a job....
Shouldn't you be in a different career? Life is too short to be the smart guy surrounded by idiots.
This one.
Yup, a lot of people have that attitude. The most "conservative guy I know, when asked about what kind of world our grandchildren might have, emphatically said "Fuck our Grandchildren, I want to use whatever I want, And if they die I don't fucking care - That's what I think of what I'm leaving for the future.
He's dead now, ironically, people aren't too unhappy about that, They don't care.
Ok so let's go about it this way. When it goes to -30C in Norway HOW MANY CONSECUTIVE DAYS is it -30C? One or two days would just be an inconvenience with an EV.
They'd be just as much an inconvenience for a petrol fueled engines
For everyone's entertainment - starting a diesel engine in cold weather by building a fire underneath it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Not a lot of point in electric cars, unless you have excess clean electricity, which Norway has in hydro. Might as well have efficient petrol cars. Anything but the SUVs and pick-ups that plague North America.
Are you an abiotic petroleum theorist? Somehow there is an infinite supply of oil? Or just don't care because it will be someone else's problem?