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Over Half of Norway Car Sales Are Now Electric (reuters.com)
The Norwegian Road Federation (NRF) said on Monday that almost 60 percent of all new cars sold in the country last month were fully electric, "a global record as the country seeks to end fossil-fueled vehicles sales by 2025," reports Reuters. From the report: Exempting battery engines from taxes imposed on diesel and petrol cars has upended Norway's auto market, elevating brands like Tesla and Nissan, with its Leaf model, while hurting sales of Toyota, Daimler and others. In 2018, Norway's fully electric car sales rose to a record 31.2 percent market share from 20.8 percent in 2017, far ahead of any other nation, and buyers had to wait as producers struggled to keep up with demand.
The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3, which retails from 442,000 crowns ($51,400), while Audi began deliveries of its 652,000-crowns e-tron sports utility vehicle. The sales figures consolidate Norway's global lead in electric car sales per capita, part of an attempt by Western Europe's biggest producer of oil and gas to transform to a greener economy.
The surge of electric cars to a 58.4 percent market share in March came as Tesla ramped up delivery of its mid-sized Model 3, which retails from 442,000 crowns ($51,400), while Audi began deliveries of its 652,000-crowns e-tron sports utility vehicle. The sales figures consolidate Norway's global lead in electric car sales per capita, part of an attempt by Western Europe's biggest producer of oil and gas to transform to a greener economy.
Norway has severe weather, sub zero temperatures for much of the year, heavy snow, and people need to travel long distances. All the things that people say make EVs unsuitable.
Norway put in the infrastructure. Charging everywhere. EVs work great there.
Well done Norway.
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I'm guessing their grid has a fair bit of gas based electricity generation, so although the headline is nice, i'm waiting for their fossil fuel dependence to really drop to show what is possible.
From what I can tell, turning CO2 back into gasoline using solar power towers in deserts, and "burning" that in fuel cells, is still more efficient than the whole solar-to-hvdc-to-battery-charging-to-battery-using-to-electric-motors procedure.
And cleaner too, given that fuel cells only produce CO2 and water.
I also wonder how much compressing the CO2 in a tank in the car would cost, efficiency-wise.
Because batteries sure are one *shitty* low-density form of energy storage. (Not that I'm not open to improvements. When they come in at least an order of magnitude.)
There are only three cars in Norway. The rest of the country moves around by skiing or dog sled.
... it's not like there in not enough sunlight.
I can only guess, that the EU wants independence from the Fremen. ;)
But the US has plenty of sunny desert states.
And the EU surely has no shortage of wind in the north sea.
I guess it's only a thing of what's fashionable right now.
Like currently the fashion is to play the victim role and shame when bullying. Or to sell paper bags that kill trees now instad of plastic ones that can use previously killed trees or be made from recently killed ones too.
You're thinking of coal.
But I guess that's technically possible too...
And oil. To exchange for foreign green electrictiy.
And they burn their garbage for energy.
And they don't have a big population either. There are more people in my city that their entire country. ;)
I bet if my city was surrounded by waterfalls instead of even more people, we couls do that too.
But then again, we'd probably be a lake.
We had them since the 80s around here.
We only use them to move groceries from the shopping cart to the trunks of our cars, and then into the house later though. So it usually does not matter that they are so shitty and rip if they so much as dream of dampness.
The key ingredient here.
Definitely sounds like your average Joe cant afford those. @ $50k US?
Teir "cities", like Bergen for example, look more like towns in Alaska.
And they are surrounded by waterfalls.
An entry level manual VW Golf / Honda Civic / Ford Focus type of car is 300,000 NoK - about $35,000.
The very cheapest new cars you can buy are around $15,000 - $17,000 - and those are really for city driving only with 60-70hp 1-liter engines.
A VW Golf electric is about the same price as a petrol one.
Large EV sales in norway are due to subsidies to the tune of the equivalent of USD~10-30000 pr. car:
* Goods (including cars) normally carry a 25% VAT. BEVs are exempted. (Easily worth USD 10-20000)
* Non BEV cars additionally carry taxes calculated from emissions and weight. Additional taxes for cars tend to range from the USD equivalent of USD 2000 to many tens of thousands for large performance cars.
* There are a lot of toll roads in norway. Many car drivers can spend the equivalent of USD 3000 annually on tolls. BEVs are expempted from tolls. (This benefit will likely be reduced shortly, but a 50% saving has been assured)
* Many cities have free parking for BEVs (Also likely to be a reduced benefit going forward)
For usability: Most roads are limited to 80km/h and most drivers do not drive excessively long distances. 15000 km annually is the average.
The parts of norway where very long driving distances are common (Northern Norway) BEV penetration is very low.
Winter range of BEVs can drop a bit on the coldest days but norway is mostly temperate. Subzero temperatures usually only occur 30-60 days pr. year in most populated areaes. (Though it varies greatly, but so does BEV adoption)
Note that the high numbers of EV sales in march is significantly due to that Tesla delivered ~5000 cars in. Tesla tends to deliver cars towards the end of the quarter, and Q1 saw the first availability of model 3 which had a large pent up demand, so do not expect next month to repeat this number.
Gasoline lasts a whole lot more miles per 100kg of fuel, than 100kg of batteries do. Driver further, get around corners better, break faster. :)
And you can "recharge" in seconds.
And your tank does not get smaller every time you use it.
And gasoline has no lithium in it. Plus you can actually put the fires out that it causes.
Charging batteries is not a free action either, but very inefficient. As OP said, turning electricity and CO2 into gasoline might well be more efficient.
Even /. that is tolerant of pot and porn is hostile and call the CEO a pot smoking fraud. Well orchestrated campaign is on to oust the star CEO to hobble its ability to raise capital.
Structure the tax break to punish the ones that take early lead and risk. Tax break for Tesla and GM EVs are being phased out while the imports enjoy full benefit.
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Norway has severe weather, sub zero temperatures for much of the year, heavy snow, and people need to travel long distances. All the things that people say make EVs unsuitable.
People who say such things are people who do not own and/or have not driven EVs. Yes there are some infrastructure issues for long distance travel still to be ironed out but the solutions are in sight. Furthermore in the mean time if I really need to drive a long distance I still own a gas powered truck or I can easily rent a car for a very reasonable price for my rare trip longer than the 238 mile range of my EV. It's not like the gasoline infrastructure is going to disappear any time soon.
I own an EV (Chevy Bolt) and honestly I don't see myself buying a non-EV or plug in hybrid ever again if I have a choice. I've owned a number of hatchbacks over the years including some hot hatches and the Bolt is just in a different league in most respects from similar cars. It's more far fuel efficient, smoother to drive, quieter, accelerates better at any speed than all but the most ridiculous of hot hatches, requires FAR less maintenance, eliminates gas station stops, is more fun to drive, and the list goes on. Even if you ignore the eco stuff altogether, it's just a better car in most ways than its ICE equivalents. The cold does impact its range some but not enough to really cause any serious problems except in the rarest of corner cases. Put some good snow tires on just like any other car and it's fine in the bad weather. In fact it's better in the snow than my previous hatchback (a VW Golf GL) by quite a lot.
I'm anxiously awaiting companies to start releasing electrified pickups and EVs with at least 50-100 miles of electric range or preferably completely EV. I'm watching the Rivian and Tesla offerings closely and hoping they motivate Ford/GM/FCA to get seriously busy with EV versions of their trucks too.
Ain't that something, my my my! What will they think of next! What a time to be alive!
You know you want to lie about this, why even the hesitation?
Socialism is Easy when you are an oil-rich country with a low population.
Surely you are talking about the USA?
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
The EV's are no longer EXEMPT from taxes. Gotta pay for all the infrastructure somehow. Eliminate gas vehicles and gas taxes and the money will HAVE to come from somewhere else... Just saying...
Oh and ask the Norwegians what the battery life is in those vehicles with the harsh winters. I live in Wisconsin and our winters make batteries have short lives. I have to buy batteries for vehicles every 3 years. EV's are not a good solution for areas with harsh winter cold temperatures - period! People with their Toyota Prius's are using more gas in them as the batteries don't run as long in the harsh winters - I know 3 people with them. I went kind of in the middle and got a Smart car. The only problem with them is they don't do well on snow and ice covered roads. They are small and lightweight. But I get 50 MPG with it and an 8 gallon gas tank actually gives me a decent driving range.
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Norway is not a socialist country.
- Norway is the size of California
- Norway artifically makes ICE cars more expensive and subsidizes EVs with oil money yet people still have trouble finding chargers. They are non-existant in the mountains.
- Norway never goes below -3C
- All of Norway is 1619 km long. We have a completely ice road in Canada that is 750km by comparison.
Norway is basically the perfect place for these cars.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Note that TFA conveniently ignores sales of fossil fueled cars that were purchased new in other parts of Europe and imported as used (cars represent a large share of Norway's imports). Electric cars are still a small percentage of the total number of vehicles.
And the rest from pillage and plunder. How Trumpian!
People who live in cold climates are screwed. Eventually only EVs will be available and we'll have to pull gas heated battery trailers around I guess. There will be three ICEs on the market and they will all suck. I'm realizing there aren't really that many of us.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
But then he is a bit thick...
Better title: "Over 50% of the new vehicle sales in Norway were Tesla"
Relevant chart by maker: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tm... ...
Telsa 50.6%
VW 9.4%
Just a reminder about the old joke, that in Europe, 100 miles is a long distance, and in America, 100 years is a long time.
I have nothing bad to say about all-electric cars. But a 300-mile range will not even get to my parents' houses. That's why i can't buy one.
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It's fun to read the comments and watch the haters who have been convinced for years that EV's have no future continue to try and twist themselves in knots because reality refuses to conform to their delusions.
I don't think you have really "tested" an EV unless you have lived with it for a month in -30C weather.
Perhaps not but where I live -30C (-22F) is a fairly routine occurrence and I drive an EV in such weather. I'm pretty sure the weather in Norway is at least as cold if not worse. It's certainly further north by a substantial distance.
I'd rather spend the money on something else... although if I COULD get any car I wanted and money wasn't an issue- it'd be the Rivian Truck.
Only style critique I have of the Rivian trucks is those headlights are UGLY. I have no idea why they thought that was a good look. Maybe they work great but they look like shit. Functionally it seems like a good truck presuming the build quality and interior functions are up to par.
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Anyway, I would like to see a large-scale anysis of pollution -- The ability to have better scrubbers in power plants, or renewable energy plants better yet, than on cars.
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Couldn't even find it in the actual document.
Then they're totes not subsidies. Otherwise there's 13 trillion dollars a year in subsidies for the fossil industry to balance against your content-free whine about how they're subsidising EVs...
So it corners better. Higher torque and lack of gearing creating less stiction losses for the electric drivetrain helps too. Plus they have more torque to begin with, and cornering is no different to acceleration as far as energy use is concerned.
Well done, Norway.
Despite being a really small country, which makes that easier, nonetheless it is still a louvable initiative.
It was nice to see Tesla as #1 EV there. In addition, even better is that ICE sales are dropping there, while EVs continue to rise. With the coming increase in models as well as production, norway, in fact, most of the western nations, will likely have 50+% of their new car sales be EVs by end of 2022/3. That is 4 years away. With EV prices continuing to drop and Super Chargers going in all over, 4 years will be all that is needed.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
First off, new ICE cars will probably stop selling in about 2 more years.
WindBourne.
Yes, you did.
First off, new ICE cars will probably stop selling in about 2 more years.
WindBourne
Americans use much more oil and gas and a similar amount of coal as either China or India.
You have little idea of the real world.
Chas WindBourne and Lukyo are the 3 lying Amigo's. 4 just doesn't have the same ring to it sorry.
If this thread proved one thing, it's that no one really knows what the weather in Norway is. I'm going to go out on a limb and say more people have EVs where the weather rarely gets cold than where it gets very cold.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
USA burns more oil and more gas than either China or India. Clean up your own mess before pointing your fingers at countries cleaner than you are.
Care to back it up?
You already mentioned 'generally' and plastic. It's not looking like you'll be able to...