Why doesn't th eUS and the EU simply ban anything made of plastic, and make it a capital crime to be caught using it?
THis will without doubt, fuolly and certainly cure thed problem. Plastics will disappear from th eoceans overnight, never to plague thte world again.....
Oh...hold on..... No it won't. Because the EU isn't the problem, and the USA isn't the problem.
This won't remotely put a dent in the problem. Because the countries that are the problem don't give a damn other than being really happy that other countries are being blamed for what they are doing.
Virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. Billy said it best: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
I just remember the old hot rods with oversized engines that they had to cut out the hood, to fit the engine block, often removing the exhaust system, so out of the engine we seem combusted flames going out the sides. We just need phones with exposed heat sinks for added effect we can put a spot that you fill with water to watch steam expelling from it, or a closed pipe system with clear tubes so we can see colored fluid moving about, like on the old Cray super computers.
Unfortunately USB phone charging and battery charging for RC are rather different problems.
With USB you have to pretend to be lots of different types of charger and implement current limiting, and the adjustments you make are not very fine gained. The actual battery charging is handled by the phone, all you can do is supply 5V at a certain max current.
Direct battery charging is actually easier in many ways, just a constant current circuit with digital adjustment and some monitoring. One of the nice things about Lipo is that it's really easy to charge, compared to say NiMH.
I have a battery charger that is designed to charge LiFe, LiPo, Lead Acid, NiCad and NiMH. It has a lot of different cables to attach to various devices, and is programmable for different charge currents and rates and of course types. It's pretty cool, but the big trick is making certain you program it to the right type of battery. I definitely could make a real mess if I don't program it correctly.
I do charge my battery packs at about half the current that I could.
While you folks have been arguing about gas pedals in cars, it is important to know that the EU is protecting it's citizens from the real danger to health and safety. (honey, hold your hands over the kid's ears)
Memes! Yes folks, the true danger to people isn't driving too fast, it is people using a picture of E.T. with a silly caption. Enough of a threat to humanity that the EU needs to eliminate it.
life of the battery won't matter when the whole thing will blow up the fifth time you use it, and take your house or car or office with.
I recently made a safety video for an RC plane club. There are two main catastrophic failure modes. The first is shock damage. This is mostly a lot of smoke. Not much fun, but you'll probably not be harmed - well badly harmed depending where you are and where the battery is
The second is drastic overcharging. This is the one that makes a lot of fire. I saw a demo of a RC 3S 11.1 Volt LiPo being charged as if it was a lead acid battery, and charged as if was a 20 something volt version. Holy crap! But hey, Lithium itself is almost unstable all by itself, and the electrolytes are flammable. Overcharging can create metallic lithium from the anode material, and then the nasty stuff happens.
And while we would think that this is a rare thing, its surprising how many people just hook things up and walk away. Don't. If I were foolish enough to use this charger, I'd have a supply of at least sand ready, or better, a class D extinguisher.
I keep some slow chargers around for overnight use, to preserve the battery.
Smart move. A LiPo can last a surprising long time when not abused.
I was thinking about an open source project to build a smart charger that linked to the phone via Bluetooth or over the USB cable. The phone would be able to control the charge rate, and an app would offer features like adjusting charging speed based on the time and only charging to 80%.
I know some RC airplane enthusiasts that would go for an outboard version of that.
Do they have any info on what that does to the life of the battery, as well as any potential fire hazards? Ah - just read the article - no they don't. No laws of physics have been violated. This will be harmful to the battery, and I would want to charge this in a Bat Safe.
I don't use your fucking service. And yet, half of the sites I visit have your shit embedded in it for you to track me.
I haven't given you consent to track me, and I'm not signing up for an account to find out what you have and disable it.
I have Facebook.com and a few other related domains blocked in my hosts file.
It works. APK is not completely wrong.
Hopefully you use a script blocker as well. Facebook tries to hide their tracking servers, so you have to do a little research to find out which ones are FB's. Or just block all scripts.
Zuckerberg sat in front of Congress last year and told them Facebook didn't use shadow profiles of non-users. It's funny that the company has been previously fighting Belgium over a practice they claim they don't use.
Under many circumstances I am usually one to trot out the old saw "don't attribute to malice...", but frankly I consider Facebook to be fundamentally malicious - and Zuckerberg to be fundamentally an evil person. I don't know how anyone who works for Facebook can live with themselves knowing that the world would be better off without them doing their job.
What is really needed badly is since Facebook considers that knowing users and even non-users every online activit is their right, the time is right for poisoning the tracks. Send random urls to Facebook, so that the confidence in their tracking is 0, They want tracking - give them millions of tracks. to track. And make certain that their advertisersers know that they are now getting bullshit.
"Unless we plan on many launches to assemble a lunar-going vehicle in orbit"
I didn't realize that 2-3 qualified as "many". A falcon Heavy can loft the equivalent LEO payload of a block 1 SLS in 2 flights in expendable mode and 3 flights in reusable mode and for FAR cheaper. The only issue is assembling the parts in orbit, but we've been doing that since Apollo so I doubt it would really be an issue.
Funny how random guys on Slashdot are knowledgable about so much.
I guess we'll run down to Home Depot and pick the parts up tonight, and after three Falcon heavy launches, we should have everything ready to go to the moonn in a week if we don't stress ourselves. PLanning is for loosers anyhow. Just Do it.
I'll get hold of Elon and have him deliver the heavys the afternoon. You're in charge AC - Suit up, and get the hell into orbit. Mike Pence depends on you, so GodSpeed, and Boldness, and do not under any circumstances miss a deadline. If things aren't ready, we're going to launch you anyhow. Thoughts and prayers!
Just like SLS's impressive track record reliable on-time launches. While SLS is further along in it's development, BFR is proceeding at a far faster pace
Weak howaboutism. While you wrap yourself around the axle, spoiling for a fight over the rocket used, at present, are you claiming that we can send people to teh moon with available rockets by Election day 2020?
This is the point. We can't do it as we are now equipped. Whether it is the communist inpired and corrupt SLS, or the blessed by God and hand of the free market proof of concept Big Fucking Rocket. We have neither, and you guys are missing the point.
Anyhow, what is the commercially made landing craft that will land us on the moon in a little over a year? It must exist in order to land us and return us.
Can't use something by NASA - Or Boeing. The clock is ticking, So I'm certain these things are launch ready.
Bfr can get 220,000 pounds to leo. Saturn V could do 260,000 pounds. You can launch more than 10 bfrs for the cost of a single sls launch. Do the math.
I have to admit, the BFR has a long established track record with not one single problem. Perfection - the most reliable rocket ever.
Funny how someone who signs the praises of a never flown rocket attempts to tell me to do the math.
All of this is an attempt to save face looking at the various tangible Moon projects from China and others. I'll believe it when NASA says "we'll go to the Moon in 20xx" and xx<25.
They already did that and succeeding administrations changed the priorities. I'll believe NASA is going for a moon landing when they actually touch down. Then they can get busy building a wall to keep people from the Mexican part of the moon from invading their crater with 'caravans'.
When the Chinese land ans start establishing their systems on the moon, the same politicians who stood in the way of NASA at every turn will shit their pants and scream about how NASA dropped the ball and allowed the Chinese to achieve space superiority. Then we'll act. Worked for Sputnik and the Russian BM systems being developed.
Well, both of those are hard to do when every President sets a different goal for NASA.
BAM! we have the winner here.
Yup, Even with 8 years in office as has been the trend lately, NASA's goals and budget have been changed willy nilly by each occupant. NASA is just a political football, I'm amazed they function as well as they do.
No, what they sacrifice is _money._ And the current presidential budget proposal does not match Pence's words.
And how! So we're going to mount an ambitious moon program based on Falcon 9 Heavy? And send people to the moon this year?.
One major fucking sigh.......
Unless we plan on many launches to assemble a lunar-going vehicle in orbit, and somehow do it in a little over a year, it is pretty amazing to think we're going to do it with the present stable of rockets.
As I've noted somewhere in the deep dark past, each of the different rockets in production have their niches. And if we are planning to go to the moon, we really need a Saturn 5 level of rocket. And while we can quibble about the details like solid boosters, that rocket would be the SLS. Which the present administration is trying to kill. The only way present commercial rockets will be able to handle this is a ISS style construction in orbit model, ferrying parts to orbit.
Really, what Pence is trying to do is ignite an Apollo type program while providing precious little support. Apollo was balls to the wall no holds barred, along with a budget to match. Pence's new policies and bold mindset will accomplish nothing without a blank check.
The answer they always give is that, "We can't predict them
Actually, we can predict exactly where the new jobs will be.
Grocery stores spend 14% of their sales on labor, and those with self-checkout have reduced their labor costs by 25%, or 3.5% of sales.
Since the grocery business is very competitive, much of those savings has gone into lower food price inflation. The rest has gone into dividends for shareholders. Either way, that extra money goes into someone's pocket.
What do they spend that extra money on? That is where the new jobs are.
Not where, but what employment? Your concept of the Job Creators and Trickle Down Theory as the driving engine of more jobs being created than destroyed is interesting.
My last 35 plus years in the workforce has shown me that the employee is considered the enemy, a parasite that is stealing money from the pockets of the stockholders. Supervisors can make extra money by eliminating employees. One I worked for for a short time bragged about it.
This isn't trying to make money by inventing new gewgaws using the newfangled industrial machines, this is a direct attempt to eliminate labor.
This automation is inevitable, but if we head into it without understanding that once the goal of eliminating humans from the work pool succeeds, we better either have a massive depopulation program, or perhaps use the permanently unemployed in a latter day Hunger games scenario and let them kill each other off for our entertainment. Otherwise, the poor will continue stealing money from the pockets of the stockholders.
Each office has posted hours, those hours would be the same as the ones on your watch, no matter where you were in the world. No more having to think, well it's 5:00pm here in California right now, so that's -7GMT (standard time zone rules apply, -8GMT a month ago), Tokyo is +9GMT, so that means Tokyo is 16 hours ahead. 5:00pm is really 17:00; and 17:00 + 16 hours = 33:00; 33:00 is tomorrow; so subtract 24:00 to get 9:00. So it's 9:00am tomorrow in Tokyo, so yes they probably just opened there because I know they open around 8:00am Tokyo time.
So you do a double conversion, where one moment you have to think about what time the sun rises, then next you have to GMt time and compare the two.
Dayum - how is your plan for the higher latitudes going to work out? Some days you can't call bewcause the sun never comes up, and others it si daylight 24/7, so you can call any time. And constantly changing, you'll hhave to look up the sunrise sunset tables for any place.
But then I guess the earth is flat, and all of these differences are just some liberal world domination scheme.
Will it take some adjustment, yes.
So does hanging, but after a while you get used to it.
Time zones make sense as you don't want my clock to be 5 minutes different than your time but the time itself should be set based on some concept of sunrise, sunset, or high noon. What you are really asking is "what time of day is it in X?" or even "will so-in-so be awake / at work?" If we just set people's timezone where 7am is always the approximate time of sunrise then this would answer this question fine and businesses can set schedules appropriately. Many businesses already have summer and winter hours so daylight savings time does nothing but complicates the communication.
So if I want to know what time it is in Australia, all I have to do is call someone there and ask if the sun is up.
And Why don't you check with the higher latitudes and tell them that 7 A.M. is their average sunrise? Or is your world one where you only do business with peopel 100 miles away or less?
Has Slashdot gone over to the flat earthers?
So we might finally end this, but only repeat history and head back into the chaos.
Au contraire! I have it on good authority from Slashdotters near and far that the only ill effect of the switch is that so few people will die, overpopulation is inevitable.
Personally, I hope that each country adopts a different time, and we can sit back and watch that chaos. Popcorn will be my treat
How about we don't make the same mistakes as last time and make it not suck for large amount of the population, eh?
Was that a mistake though or was it the market doing allocation efficiency. Arguably it was focusing resources on those who were most productive. It just happens to suck if that isn't you.
There have been some really interesting times after large numbers of humans were put out of work. Some of them gave rise to very scary times, and even in the 1940's, a brief blip in the world's population. While Post WW1 Germany's unemployment and inflation gave rise to eventual full employment and a lot of competitive employment around the world in response, the technological advances that donnybrook brought about makes further total war economic stimulus a little scary.
Anyhow, the point is that perhaps instead of simply throwing a lot of people in the trash, then having to deal with them when they revolt, it might be a better idea to plan ahead.
Since the industrial revolution began three centuries ago, nearly every job has been automated out of existence, starting with spinners, weavers, and agriculture. Yet incomes have risen 20-fold and we currently have a full employment economy.
1. All automation in the past was GOOD.
For us now but not for the people at the time. Go and read some Dickens. Life sucked very hard for a lot of people.
There is an example of that in many small towns in the USA. Middle aged people of a limited skill set have lost their jobs, typically in things like clothing factories for the ladies, and the mines for men. The factories and the mines close, the mines especially become more automated. So you have people in their 50's with approximately 0 chance of being hired, between their skillset and age.
If they move to find work, it will be minimum wage work, but they are still not likely to find any.
So you have a lot of unemployable people, and depop hasn't become fashionable, so what to do? Social Security Disability pretty much filled the gap and kept them from living under bridges.
So yeah, instead of Bill's bold assertion that all automation creates more jobs - ask a coal miner about this - it is very disruptive, and quite a few people lose out. This is why I love to ask these people just what jobs will be created when almost everything is automated. There should be thought put into this, as a lot of people who have had their lives disrupted end up disrupting everyone else's. And there is some history on that.
Since the industrial revolution began three centuries ago, nearly every job has been automated out of existence, starting with spinners, weavers, and agriculture. Yet incomes have risen 20-fold and we currently have a full employment economy.
Okay, so your argument is that because something happened before, that it will always happen. I do know some folks who believe that because Malthus was wrong, that Malthus will always be wrong. Apparently the earth can support an infinite number of people, as a technological breakthrough will always happen that allows population to increase.
So I'm not even going to argue that point, because I want to ask a different question, with the assumption that you are correct, and that every automation will create new jobs as a irrefutable fact.
So as increases in automation inevitably create more jobs than they eliminate - what are those jobs?
And by any sane standards of safety-engineering, we will start to have data of actual worth for the task at hand.
I am not opposed to nuclear energy. I am opposed to the greedy and insane people that operate and build the respective installations and that continuously lie to the public about their safety. Nuclear could be made safe, but not by these people. It cannot, at this time, be made both cost-efficient and safe. That will require more research.
You are exactly correct.
When reduced to it's basics, we have an energy dense material which is poisonous, and when mostly used up in the process to extract the energy, is still poisonous.
It is an engineering process. It can be made safe. But it is expensive and painstaking.
So we have politics involved. Shit, nothing like allowing the most corrupt baksheesh and bribe loving humans on the planet enriching themselves. Always trying to alter the laws of physics with money.
So we have accountants involved. Let's make this as cheaply as possible. What can we eliminate to save a few bucks.
We have management, trying to work with the pols and bean counters.
The engineers and engineering are at the bottom of a list, yet they should have been at the top
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THis will without doubt, fuolly and certainly cure thed problem. Plastics will disappear from th eoceans overnight, never to plague thte world again.....
Oh...hold on..... No it won't. Because the EU isn't the problem, and the USA isn't the problem.
This won't remotely put a dent in the problem. Because the countries that are the problem don't give a damn other than being really happy that other countries are being blamed for what they are doing.
Virtue signalling that accomplishes nothing. Billy said it best: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
I just remember the old hot rods with oversized engines that they had to cut out the hood, to fit the engine block, often removing the exhaust system, so out of the engine we seem combusted flames going out the sides. We just need phones with exposed heat sinks for added effect we can put a spot that you fill with water to watch steam expelling from it, or a closed pipe system with clear tubes so we can see colored fluid moving about, like on the old Cray super computers.
Well played! I like the idea!
Unfortunately USB phone charging and battery charging for RC are rather different problems.
With USB you have to pretend to be lots of different types of charger and implement current limiting, and the adjustments you make are not very fine gained. The actual battery charging is handled by the phone, all you can do is supply 5V at a certain max current.
Direct battery charging is actually easier in many ways, just a constant current circuit with digital adjustment and some monitoring. One of the nice things about Lipo is that it's really easy to charge, compared to say NiMH.
I have a battery charger that is designed to charge LiFe, LiPo, Lead Acid, NiCad and NiMH. It has a lot of different cables to attach to various devices, and is programmable for different charge currents and rates and of course types. It's pretty cool, but the big trick is making certain you program it to the right type of battery. I definitely could make a real mess if I don't program it correctly.
I do charge my battery packs at about half the current that I could.
Memes! Yes folks, the true danger to people isn't driving too fast, it is people using a picture of E.T. with a silly caption. Enough of a threat to humanity that the EU needs to eliminate it.
https://www.theinquirer.net/in...
life of the battery won't matter when the whole thing will blow up the fifth time you use it, and take your house or car or office with.
I recently made a safety video for an RC plane club. There are two main catastrophic failure modes. The first is shock damage. This is mostly a lot of smoke. Not much fun, but you'll probably not be harmed - well badly harmed depending where you are and where the battery is
The second is drastic overcharging. This is the one that makes a lot of fire. I saw a demo of a RC 3S 11.1 Volt LiPo being charged as if it was a lead acid battery, and charged as if was a 20 something volt version. Holy crap! But hey, Lithium itself is almost unstable all by itself, and the electrolytes are flammable. Overcharging can create metallic lithium from the anode material, and then the nasty stuff happens.
And while we would think that this is a rare thing, its surprising how many people just hook things up and walk away. Don't. If I were foolish enough to use this charger, I'd have a supply of at least sand ready, or better, a class D extinguisher.
I keep some slow chargers around for overnight use, to preserve the battery.
Smart move. A LiPo can last a surprising long time when not abused.
I was thinking about an open source project to build a smart charger that linked to the phone via Bluetooth or over the USB cable. The phone would be able to control the charge rate, and an app would offer features like adjusting charging speed based on the time and only charging to 80%.
I know some RC airplane enthusiasts that would go for an outboard version of that.
Do they have any info on what that does to the life of the battery, as well as any potential fire hazards? Ah - just read the article - no they don't. No laws of physics have been violated. This will be harmful to the battery, and I would want to charge this in a Bat Safe.
Shit, those senators might be biting the hand that feeds them. The voting machines are working just as they were designed to work.
Dear Zuckerfuck:
I don't use your fucking service. And yet, half of the sites I visit have your shit embedded in it for you to track me.
I haven't given you consent to track me, and I'm not signing up for an account to find out what you have and disable it.
I have Facebook.com and a few other related domains blocked in my hosts file.
It works. APK is not completely wrong.
Hopefully you use a script blocker as well. Facebook tries to hide their tracking servers, so you have to do a little research to find out which ones are FB's. Or just block all scripts.
Zuckerberg sat in front of Congress last year and told them Facebook didn't use shadow profiles of non-users. It's funny that the company has been previously fighting Belgium over a practice they claim they don't use.
Under many circumstances I am usually one to trot out the old saw "don't attribute to malice ...", but frankly I consider Facebook to be fundamentally malicious - and Zuckerberg to be fundamentally an evil person. I don't know how anyone who works for Facebook can live with themselves knowing that the world would be better off without them doing their job.
What is really needed badly is since Facebook considers that knowing users and even non-users every online activit is their right, the time is right for poisoning the tracks. Send random urls to Facebook, so that the confidence in their tracking is 0, They want tracking - give them millions of tracks. to track. And make certain that their advertisersers know that they are now getting bullshit.
"Unless we plan on many launches to assemble a lunar-going vehicle in orbit"
I didn't realize that 2-3 qualified as "many". A falcon Heavy can loft the equivalent LEO payload of a block 1 SLS in 2 flights in expendable mode and 3 flights in reusable mode and for FAR cheaper. The only issue is assembling the parts in orbit, but we've been doing that since Apollo so I doubt it would really be an issue.
Funny how random guys on Slashdot are knowledgable about so much.
I guess we'll run down to Home Depot and pick the parts up tonight, and after three Falcon heavy launches, we should have everything ready to go to the moonn in a week if we don't stress ourselves. PLanning is for loosers anyhow. Just Do it. I'll get hold of Elon and have him deliver the heavys the afternoon. You're in charge AC - Suit up, and get the hell into orbit. Mike Pence depends on you, so GodSpeed, and Boldness, and do not under any circumstances miss a deadline. If things aren't ready, we're going to launch you anyhow. Thoughts and prayers!
Just like SLS's impressive track record reliable on-time launches. While SLS is further along in it's development, BFR is proceeding at a far faster pace
Weak howaboutism. While you wrap yourself around the axle, spoiling for a fight over the rocket used, at present, are you claiming that we can send people to teh moon with available rockets by Election day 2020?
This is the point. We can't do it as we are now equipped. Whether it is the communist inpired and corrupt SLS, or the blessed by God and hand of the free market proof of concept Big Fucking Rocket. We have neither, and you guys are missing the point.
Anyhow, what is the commercially made landing craft that will land us on the moon in a little over a year? It must exist in order to land us and return us.
Can't use something by NASA - Or Boeing. The clock is ticking, So I'm certain these things are launch ready.
Bfr can get 220,000 pounds to leo. Saturn V could do 260,000 pounds. You can launch more than 10 bfrs for the cost of a single sls launch. Do the math.
I have to admit, the BFR has a long established track record with not one single problem. Perfection - the most reliable rocket ever.
Funny how someone who signs the praises of a never flown rocket attempts to tell me to do the math.
But ate least you were wise enough to post as AC.
All of this is an attempt to save face looking at the various tangible Moon projects from China and others. I'll believe it when NASA says "we'll go to the Moon in 20xx" and xx<25.
They already did that and succeeding administrations changed the priorities. I'll believe NASA is going for a moon landing when they actually touch down. Then they can get busy building a wall to keep people from the Mexican part of the moon from invading their crater with 'caravans'.
When the Chinese land ans start establishing their systems on the moon, the same politicians who stood in the way of NASA at every turn will shit their pants and scream about how NASA dropped the ball and allowed the Chinese to achieve space superiority. Then we'll act. Worked for Sputnik and the Russian BM systems being developed.
Setting bold goals and staying on schedule.
So I guess, they sacrifice safety.
Well, both of those are hard to do when every President sets a different goal for NASA.
BAM! we have the winner here.
Yup, Even with 8 years in office as has been the trend lately, NASA's goals and budget have been changed willy nilly by each occupant. NASA is just a political football, I'm amazed they function as well as they do.
No, what they sacrifice is _money._ And the current presidential budget proposal does not match Pence's words.
And how! So we're going to mount an ambitious moon program based on Falcon 9 Heavy? And send people to the moon this year?.
One major fucking sigh.......
Unless we plan on many launches to assemble a lunar-going vehicle in orbit, and somehow do it in a little over a year, it is pretty amazing to think we're going to do it with the present stable of rockets.
As I've noted somewhere in the deep dark past, each of the different rockets in production have their niches. And if we are planning to go to the moon, we really need a Saturn 5 level of rocket. And while we can quibble about the details like solid boosters, that rocket would be the SLS. Which the present administration is trying to kill. The only way present commercial rockets will be able to handle this is a ISS style construction in orbit model, ferrying parts to orbit.
Really, what Pence is trying to do is ignite an Apollo type program while providing precious little support. Apollo was balls to the wall no holds barred, along with a budget to match. Pence's new policies and bold mindset will accomplish nothing without a blank check.
The answer they always give is that, "We can't predict them
Actually, we can predict exactly where the new jobs will be.
Grocery stores spend 14% of their sales on labor, and those with self-checkout have reduced their labor costs by 25%, or 3.5% of sales.
Since the grocery business is very competitive, much of those savings has gone into lower food price inflation. The rest has gone into dividends for shareholders. Either way, that extra money goes into someone's pocket.
What do they spend that extra money on? That is where the new jobs are.
Not where, but what employment? Your concept of the Job Creators and Trickle Down Theory as the driving engine of more jobs being created than destroyed is interesting.
My last 35 plus years in the workforce has shown me that the employee is considered the enemy, a parasite that is stealing money from the pockets of the stockholders. Supervisors can make extra money by eliminating employees. One I worked for for a short time bragged about it.
This isn't trying to make money by inventing new gewgaws using the newfangled industrial machines, this is a direct attempt to eliminate labor.
This automation is inevitable, but if we head into it without understanding that once the goal of eliminating humans from the work pool succeeds, we better either have a massive depopulation program, or perhaps use the permanently unemployed in a latter day Hunger games scenario and let them kill each other off for our entertainment. Otherwise, the poor will continue stealing money from the pockets of the stockholders.
Each office has posted hours, those hours would be the same as the ones on your watch, no matter where you were in the world. No more having to think, well it's 5:00pm here in California right now, so that's -7GMT (standard time zone rules apply, -8GMT a month ago), Tokyo is +9GMT, so that means Tokyo is 16 hours ahead. 5:00pm is really 17:00; and 17:00 + 16 hours = 33:00; 33:00 is tomorrow; so subtract 24:00 to get 9:00. So it's 9:00am tomorrow in Tokyo, so yes they probably just opened there because I know they open around 8:00am Tokyo time.
So you do a double conversion, where one moment you have to think about what time the sun rises, then next you have to GMt time and compare the two.
Dayum - how is your plan for the higher latitudes going to work out? Some days you can't call bewcause the sun never comes up, and others it si daylight 24/7, so you can call any time. And constantly changing, you'll hhave to look up the sunrise sunset tables for any place.
But then I guess the earth is flat, and all of these differences are just some liberal world domination scheme.
Will it take some adjustment, yes.
So does hanging, but after a while you get used to it.
but the time itself should be set based on some concept of sunrise, sunset, or high noon.
But that is exactly the problem. Unless you live exactly on the equator the sun doesn't rise/set at the same time each day.
I think most slashdotters don't really care, because what is Sunset and Sunrise when you are living in Mom's basement?
Time zones make sense as you don't want my clock to be 5 minutes different than your time but the time itself should be set based on some concept of sunrise, sunset, or high noon. What you are really asking is "what time of day is it in X?" or even "will so-in-so be awake / at work?" If we just set people's timezone where 7am is always the approximate time of sunrise then this would answer this question fine and businesses can set schedules appropriately. Many businesses already have summer and winter hours so daylight savings time does nothing but complicates the communication.
So if I want to know what time it is in Australia, all I have to do is call someone there and ask if the sun is up.
And Why don't you check with the higher latitudes and tell them that 7 A.M. is their average sunrise? Or is your world one where you only do business with peopel 100 miles away or less? Has Slashdot gone over to the flat earthers?
So we might finally end this, but only repeat history and head back into the chaos.
Au contraire! I have it on good authority from Slashdotters near and far that the only ill effect of the switch is that so few people will die, overpopulation is inevitable.
Personally, I hope that each country adopts a different time, and we can sit back and watch that chaos. Popcorn will be my treat
How about we don't make the same mistakes as last time and make it not suck for large amount of the population, eh?
Was that a mistake though or was it the market doing allocation efficiency. Arguably it was focusing resources on those who were most productive. It just happens to suck if that isn't you.
There have been some really interesting times after large numbers of humans were put out of work. Some of them gave rise to very scary times, and even in the 1940's, a brief blip in the world's population. While Post WW1 Germany's unemployment and inflation gave rise to eventual full employment and a lot of competitive employment around the world in response, the technological advances that donnybrook brought about makes further total war economic stimulus a little scary.
Anyhow, the point is that perhaps instead of simply throwing a lot of people in the trash, then having to deal with them when they revolt, it might be a better idea to plan ahead.
Since the industrial revolution began three centuries ago, nearly every job has been automated out of existence, starting with spinners, weavers, and agriculture. Yet incomes have risen 20-fold and we currently have a full employment economy.
1. All automation in the past was GOOD.
For us now but not for the people at the time. Go and read some Dickens. Life sucked very hard for a lot of people.
There is an example of that in many small towns in the USA. Middle aged people of a limited skill set have lost their jobs, typically in things like clothing factories for the ladies, and the mines for men. The factories and the mines close, the mines especially become more automated. So you have people in their 50's with approximately 0 chance of being hired, between their skillset and age.
If they move to find work, it will be minimum wage work, but they are still not likely to find any.
So you have a lot of unemployable people, and depop hasn't become fashionable, so what to do? Social Security Disability pretty much filled the gap and kept them from living under bridges.
So yeah, instead of Bill's bold assertion that all automation creates more jobs - ask a coal miner about this - it is very disruptive, and quite a few people lose out. This is why I love to ask these people just what jobs will be created when almost everything is automated. There should be thought put into this, as a lot of people who have had their lives disrupted end up disrupting everyone else's. And there is some history on that.
The latter. They are spewing economic nonsense.
Since the industrial revolution began three centuries ago, nearly every job has been automated out of existence, starting with spinners, weavers, and agriculture. Yet incomes have risen 20-fold and we currently have a full employment economy.
Okay, so your argument is that because something happened before, that it will always happen. I do know some folks who believe that because Malthus was wrong, that Malthus will always be wrong. Apparently the earth can support an infinite number of people, as a technological breakthrough will always happen that allows population to increase.
So I'm not even going to argue that point, because I want to ask a different question, with the assumption that you are correct, and that every automation will create new jobs as a irrefutable fact.
So as increases in automation inevitably create more jobs than they eliminate - what are those jobs?
And by any sane standards of safety-engineering, we will start to have data of actual worth for the task at hand.
I am not opposed to nuclear energy. I am opposed to the greedy and insane people that operate and build the respective installations and that continuously lie to the public about their safety. Nuclear could be made safe, but not by these people. It cannot, at this time, be made both cost-efficient and safe. That will require more research.
You are exactly correct.
When reduced to it's basics, we have an energy dense material which is poisonous, and when mostly used up in the process to extract the energy, is still poisonous.
It is an engineering process. It can be made safe. But it is expensive and painstaking.
So we have politics involved. Shit, nothing like allowing the most corrupt baksheesh and bribe loving humans on the planet enriching themselves. Always trying to alter the laws of physics with money.
So we have accountants involved. Let's make this as cheaply as possible. What can we eliminate to save a few bucks.
We have management, trying to work with the pols and bean counters.
The engineers and engineering are at the bottom of a list, yet they should have been at the top