The scientists working on splitting the atom knew full well what it was for. It was the desire to blow shit up that spurred, funded, and guided their research. They contributed, fully aware of the consequences, because they felt the positive usefulness would outweigh the negative.
And I never attacked torrents. I said 99.99% of torrents are for piracy. And it's true.
Here in society we regulate and track the use of items that are often used for bad purposes, while still allowing for their use for good purposes.
Shutting down the pirate bay is one (very minor, ineffective) way of regulating the use of torrents.
Linux distros don't count for shit in terms of traffic %.
Same goes for WoW patches (which use their own client and could at any point be or not be a torrent without you knowing it).
Nuclear bombs are nothing more than a tool. And completely legal and morally neutral. The USE of the tool is a case by case thing, blah blah blah.
Torrents are for mass distribution of digital files. They happen to be used for piracy 99.99% of the time. Anyone who has seen the traffic flow through an ISP hub can tell you that's a very conservative estimate.
But hurr durr [citation needed]! It's like a 5 year old saying "oh yeah? prove it!" when you tell them to brush their damned teeth or they'll get cavities.
"So, there is ambiguity in the SI system for variables and constants" Yes.
"the prefixes and units have less ambiguity" No, they're all part of the same ambiguity.
"we need to make some there?" That was the thinking behind adding in the "ibi" bullshit.
It's unambiguous because a computer scientist does not use K or M or G or anything in isolation. It's always attached (directly or in context) to a b or a B. KB is not K, and thus there is no ambiguity.
Not to mention the very simple fact that when something goes wrong with the servers, you have a team of guys ready to fix it in no time flat.
When something goes wrong with the plumbing no one can touch it unless they're a licensed plumber. He'll take a few days to get there and a few days to do the job, AND he'll charge you more than you paid your server guys in the same time frame.
It stands for mass, with capitalization distinguishing between the minor body and the major body in a simple system, or subscripting on a capital M being used to denote various bodies.
It stands for meters, with no regard ever given to capitalization.
K?
1000. Spring constant. Kinetic energy. Fucking Kelvin.
SI units are trash at being unambiguous. Stylization and capitalization and subscripting/superscripting bullshit does not translate at all to plain text or anything written by hand.
CS didn't use K or M. They used Kb, KB, Mb, and MB. There is no confusion.
By the way. My "*country*" has more than one time zone! So any speculative answer to your question (properly transfigured to answer it for *my* country, or for one assumed to both be *yours* and have more than one time zone) is completely useless. What is the time in my *time zone*?
You're either an idiot who can't figure out time zones (a sad state of affairs), or you just wanted to make a point about ambiguity in the article's various references to time (a good point to make).
If you're trying to make a point, then at least try not to fall victim to the same ambiguity you're decrying. Not the ambiguity of not listing your country, but that of not considering that many countries have multiple time zones. This makes your rhetorical point completely ineffective for anyone from such a country. They either won't get your point, or they will realize your error because they are already being accustomed to dealing with such ambiguity (and thus you'll be preaching to the choir).
If you're generally confused about what time it is in your *country* you might want to list your *country* and city, or, if possible, what time zone you're in. I'm sure someone will respond with an answer in an attempt to get modded up.
Fail. I'll eat my hat when drive marketers measure storage in anything but the made up notion of a scalar factor of 1000.
When drive marketers measure in 1000s of bytes, they call them kilobytes. They created half of the confusion. The other half came from non-CS engineers who made a mistake on a CS-related project because they were ignorant and refuse to admit their ignorance.
CS abused nothing. KB means 1024 bytes, and it always will.
KB is not K. KB is not stepping on the toes of any SI units. SI units are not sacred. SI units are not enforceable by law. SI units step on their own toes and are ambiguous themselves.
Anytime you see a b or a B after a K, M, etc. scalar multiplier, you are talking about bits or bytes and are using 1024 instead of 1000. It is not confusing. It is not ambiguous.
It's the fault of storage device marketers and idiot "engineers" who didn't check their work, made a mistake on some project, and refuse to admit it that the "confusion" exists.
Furthermore, classical SI scalars are used for measuring - bits are discrete finite quanta - we COUNT them. Would you like a centibyte? TOO FUCKING BAD.
The scalar of 1000 was chosen out of pure convenience. The scalar 1024 was chosen out of convenience, and was made a power of 2 because of the inherent nature of storage with respect to permutations (how many bits do I need to contain this space at this resolution? how much resolution and space can I get from this many bits?) and because of physical aspects relating to the manufacturing and design of the actual circuits.
CS has a fucking REASON to use 1024. SI does not have a fucking reason to use 1000.
There is more validity in claiming that all SI units should be switched to 1024 than there is in suggesting KB mean 1024 bytes.
"But everything written before the change will be ambiguous!!!" yet you SI proponents tried to shove that ibi shit into CS (and failed miserably, thank you) despite the fact that it would cause the same fucking problem ("Does he mean KB or KiB?" "When was it published?" "Uh, Copyright 1999-2009" "Uh...").
Wrong. Users have decided that Google is the search engine they'll use because it's the search engine they've been using and are familiar with. They started using Google because the sites they wanted to go to were at the top of the search results.
Google will stay the king long after something better comes around, simply because people are used to it.
In 10 years you'll have morons on the internet bitching about how Google is shit because it's big, and that some random company that only does half of what Google does is better because it's smaller.
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The scientists working on splitting the atom knew full well what it was for. It was the desire to blow shit up that spurred, funded, and guided their research. They contributed, fully aware of the consequences, because they felt the positive usefulness would outweigh the negative.
And I never attacked torrents.
I said 99.99% of torrents are for piracy. And it's true.
Here in society we regulate and track the use of items that are often used for bad purposes, while still allowing for their use for good purposes.
Shutting down the pirate bay is one (very minor, ineffective) way of regulating the use of torrents.
Linux distros don't count for shit in terms of traffic %.
Same goes for WoW patches (which use their own client and could at any point be or not be a torrent without you knowing it).
Nuclear bombs are nothing more than a tool.
And completely legal and morally neutral.
The USE of the tool is a case by case thing, blah blah blah.
Torrents are for mass distribution of digital files. They happen to be used for piracy 99.99% of the time. Anyone who has seen the traffic flow through an ISP hub can tell you that's a very conservative estimate.
But hurr durr [citation needed]!
It's like a 5 year old saying "oh yeah? prove it!" when you tell them to brush their damned teeth or they'll get cavities.
Uh, try reading the WHOLE article instead of quoting one sentence fragment out of context.
It's ambiguous as another poster pointed out.
"So, there is ambiguity in the SI system for variables and constants"
Yes.
"the prefixes and units have less ambiguity"
No, they're all part of the same ambiguity.
"we need to make some there?"
That was the thinking behind adding in the "ibi" bullshit.
It's unambiguous because a computer scientist does not use K or M or G or anything in isolation. It's always attached (directly or in context) to a b or a B. KB is not K, and thus there is no ambiguity.
Not to mention the very simple fact that when something goes wrong with the servers, you have a team of guys ready to fix it in no time flat.
When something goes wrong with the plumbing no one can touch it unless they're a licensed plumber. He'll take a few days to get there and a few days to do the job, AND he'll charge you more than you paid your server guys in the same time frame.
My balls are radioactive.
Uh, yes they can.
They can sever your connection and lock you up in a steel and cement cage.
That is a bald-faced lie.
No, the above was correct.
You're going with the old bullshit that torrents are often used for legal purposes.
That's a fucking joke.
99.99% of torrents are for distributing copyrighted material illegally.
Homophobe.
Homonym.
Uh, the article was ambiguous.
Europe is pretty big you know.
I doubt "from 0100 local time until dawn" would accurately apply to Scotland as well as eastern Russia.
M means many things in the SI world.
It means 1 million.
It stands for mass, with capitalization distinguishing between the minor body and the major body in a simple system, or subscripting on a capital M being used to denote various bodies.
It stands for meters, with no regard ever given to capitalization.
K?
1000.
Spring constant.
Kinetic energy.
Fucking Kelvin.
SI units are trash at being unambiguous.
Stylization and capitalization and subscripting/superscripting bullshit does not translate at all to plain text or anything written by hand.
CS didn't use K or M. They used Kb, KB, Mb, and MB. There is no confusion.
By the way. My "*country*" has more than one time zone! So any speculative answer to your question (properly transfigured to answer it for *my* country, or for one assumed to both be *yours* and have more than one time zone) is completely useless. What is the time in my *time zone*?
You're either an idiot who can't figure out time zones (a sad state of affairs), or you just wanted to make a point about ambiguity in the article's various references to time (a good point to make).
If you're trying to make a point, then at least try not to fall victim to the same ambiguity you're decrying. Not the ambiguity of not listing your country, but that of not considering that many countries have multiple time zones. This makes your rhetorical point completely ineffective for anyone from such a country. They either won't get your point, or they will realize your error because they are already being accustomed to dealing with such ambiguity (and thus you'll be preaching to the choir).
If you're generally confused about what time it is in your *country* you might want to list your *country* and city, or, if possible, what time zone you're in. I'm sure someone will respond with an answer in an attempt to get modded up.
That reason is convenience.
1024 has convenience as well as actual reasons.
Did you not read my post?
4195835 * 3145727 / 3145727 = 4195579 ?
Whan my friend Charlie woke up in the recovery room she didn't show any signs of nausea either.
Did "she" show any signs of having a new, lumpy dick made from arm muscle?
Although really, with the way Fermi is shaping up, it is turning into a very specialized paper weight.
Fixed that for you.
I'm still waiting for the hedonistically designed processor.
Fail.
I'll eat my hat when drive marketers measure storage in anything but the made up notion of a scalar factor of 1000.
When drive marketers measure in 1000s of bytes, they call them kilobytes. They created half of the confusion. The other half came from non-CS engineers who made a mistake on a CS-related project because they were ignorant and refuse to admit their ignorance.
CS abused nothing.
KB means 1024 bytes, and it always will.
KB is not K.
KB is not stepping on the toes of any SI units.
SI units are not sacred.
SI units are not enforceable by law.
SI units step on their own toes and are ambiguous themselves.
Anytime you see a b or a B after a K, M, etc. scalar multiplier, you are talking about bits or bytes and are using 1024 instead of 1000. It is not confusing. It is not ambiguous.
It's the fault of storage device marketers and idiot "engineers" who didn't check their work, made a mistake on some project, and refuse to admit it that the "confusion" exists.
Furthermore, classical SI scalars are used for measuring - bits are discrete finite quanta - we COUNT them. Would you like a centibyte? TOO FUCKING BAD.
The scalar of 1000 was chosen out of pure convenience. The scalar 1024 was chosen out of convenience, and was made a power of 2 because of the inherent nature of storage with respect to permutations (how many bits do I need to contain this space at this resolution? how much resolution and space can I get from this many bits?) and because of physical aspects relating to the manufacturing and design of the actual circuits.
CS has a fucking REASON to use 1024.
SI does not have a fucking reason to use 1000.
There is more validity in claiming that all SI units should be switched to 1024 than there is in suggesting KB mean 1024 bytes.
"But everything written before the change will be ambiguous!!!" yet you SI proponents tried to shove that ibi shit into CS (and failed miserably, thank you) despite the fact that it would cause the same fucking problem ("Does he mean KB or KiB?" "When was it published?" "Uh, Copyright 1999-2009" "Uh...").
In short, 1024 is correct, 1000 is wrong.
I'm not a Google fan, neither a M$ fan..
I'm not a Google fan
neither a M$ fan..
M$
I'm not a Google fan
Somehow I don't quite believe you.
Especially given the /. techie user base which ... knows how to find a site w/o first typing it into Google.
Have you read /. in the last decade?
They sure know how to find goatse mirrors, I'll give them that much.
Wrong.
Users have decided that Google is the search engine they'll use because it's the search engine they've been using and are familiar with. They started using Google because the sites they wanted to go to were at the top of the search results.
Google will stay the king long after something better comes around, simply because people are used to it.
In 10 years you'll have morons on the internet bitching about how Google is shit because it's big, and that some random company that only does half of what Google does is better because it's smaller.
Tuxgeek: I call Microsoft "M$" instead of "MS", because they, unlike Google, Google are a massive, money-grubbing corporation!
Moron.
Imperial.
Metric "butt loads" use the proper spelling - butte loauds.