Yes, they would work from your gut. The strength of the signal is not dependent on the chip, but rather the raw power of the exterior detector. The chip merely modulates the incoming signal before it "echoes" it. Using a powerful enough detector, they could probably track you from blocks away.
Remember, these things are designed to be detectable in the bottom of a stack of pallets. Your gut ain't no problem.
Doesn't work, at least for the non-powered RFID tags. There's nothing there to burn out. A non-powered RFID tag is sort of a retransmitter that broadcasts a signal hardwired into its very shape; to read it a signal is broadcast by a reader, and the RFID tag sort of bounces the signal back, modulated by the very shape of the coil inside the chip.
You could fire a electron beam at the thing, and it wouldn't get damaged. Radio signals of whatever strength won't hurt it.
To destroy it, it must be physcially crushed to powder.
No, Bill O'Reilly Brownshirt. We won't shut up. And you can't shut off our microphone. Or threaten us with violence if we don't get out.
And Bush is a bigger threat than Al Qaeda. He invaded the wrong two countries, turned the entire Islamic world against us, humiliated and alienated everyone else, and let all the bad guys get away. He's deactivated at least four amendments to the Bill of Rights. He's established that he is not subject to any court. He can make any of us disappear at any time. We are not permitted to protest in his holy presence. He and his people are looting the Treasury. He will make destitute millions of people when the U.S. won't have the money to pay Social Security. He is the worst, most clueless, most arrogant president we have ever had. And he wasn't even elected.
All Al Qaeda can do is kill our bodies. Bush is killing the soul of America.
Moderate up, not down, is supposed to be the rule. Downwards moderation is supposed a response against abuse, not a machinegun for people who disagree with the poster.
IF YOU DISAGREE, then post a response like someone with a brain. Do not abuse the moderation system to sink comments you politically disagree with.
"First you'll have to find those ten thousand people the U.S. didn't kill. (Go ahead, that should be interesting.)"
Um, the figures are vague because the U.S. wants them to be. No enemy or civilian casualty figures are being given by the Pentagon. If they hadn't killed thousands, they wouldn't be non-denying denying the fact.
"Then ignore the tens of thousands who were slaughtered by the Taliban during their mercifully short reign of ignorance."
The administration gave a flying fuck about the slaughtered. They were trying to get a pipeline deal with the Taliban in July 2001 for UNOCAL.
"Wow, maybe we should reinstall Saddam so he can get back to killing 50,000 Iraqis per year. "
The Bush adminstration (the first one) counted as one of its major foreign policy successes the normalization of relations with Iraq, and Saddam Hussein. There is a famous picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam --
A MONTH AFTER HE HAD GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE.
We never gave a fuck about the Iraqi dead then, and we don't now. It had nothing to do with the invasion. The "liberation" is being touted by the synchronized neocon media because all the other "reasons" for the war have turned into marsh gas.
My irony meter just exploded, here we have a right wing republican (me) trying to explain to the left wing peacenicks here on/. why we shouldn't have been in a war.
" You can be a freedom fighter without targeting non-combatant civilians."
In nuking the Sons of Saddam last week, US forces apparently blew eight civilians apart, including one, as I recall, who arrived alive in the ER with his brains on the outside of his skull.
You have to understand that people who are being blown apart don't care whether or not they are "deliberately targeted". The US killed tens of thousands in the last two years, a large number of those civilians.
Those civilians don't see much difference between the two planes bin Laden's people used, and the missles that blew out that man's brains. We are the terrorists now, as far as most of the world is concerned.
This is insane. We had EVERYONE on our side two years ago. Now we're blowing up civilians, and everyone hates our guts.
Was it illegal to talk or help the Taliban before 9-11?
Yes it was. Bush and his crew gave them sixty million smackers. And two months before the invasion, tried to negociate rights for a gas pipeline across Afghanistan.
So, before 9-11, Bush gave them US$60M, and tried for a pipeline for UNOCAL.
None at all. And we slaughtered and tortured tens of thousands of people because we didn't want to observe the norms.
It was a good excuse on their part. A bluff. We could have called it, and they would probably have given him up.
Instead, we enthusiatically blew up and burned tens of thousands of people who had nothing to do with 9-11. We shot one of our own citizens, and left him in a dark coffin untreated for days. We watched Taliban members die in railroad cars, literally cooked to death.
Proxy is the key word here. We wanted to kill someone to make ourselves feel better, so we've annointed proxies to kill.
The real bad guys got away, but we don't care anymore. We cheer loudly at clips of our Afghan and Iraqi "victories" on TV, and laugh at bin Laden jokes on the Tonight Show.
Rush Limbaugh is a liar and a demogogue, and no information from his lips is admissable.
Rush, curiously, has no transcripts available for his daily show. Hard to fact check someone who lies at 60/minute, if there's no record of what he says.
The Taliban were not refusing to give him up. They were refusing to give him up without some proof he was guilty.
Bush could have given them the proof, but instead gave them a deadline.
Here's a thing: the culture in that area respects hospitality towards guests as one of the highest duties a man has. They could not just hand the accused over to a lynch mob, not without some sort of fig leaf, anything at all, to establish his guilt.
Had they been given proof, they might have handed the al Qaeda over without a qualm. Instead, Bush showboated to a scared U.S. and declared that the Taliban hand over the group, or die.
Another part of the area's culture: they don't take threats of invasion well. They're kind of known for it. Ask the Russians.
And we are not the police. There is international law in place to handle situation such as bin Laden and his murderers. We blew it off. We stepped outside all law, and cannot claim the protection of the law now.
And as police, we pretty much suck. A wide open country, AND HE GOT AWAY.
And I still don't understand what all this has to do with Taliban supporters in the U.S. Bush and company did business with the Taliban not two months before 9-11. They gave them 60 million US dollars.
I don't see Bush locked up in a hole for six years. Isn't he a collaborator on a massive scale?
The Taliban, as others mention, had no money. They were poor. Destitute.
"Everyone knew" has been the battle cry for both Afghanistan and Iraq. And it turns out "everyone" was wrong.
The Taliban was not al Qaeda, and did not share the same goals. It hosted the group, but a lot of countries hosted the group. Including Saudi Arabia, which is mysteriously uninvaded at present.
And Iraq was not "in bed" with al Qaeda. There is no intelligence to that effect. As a matter of fact, all intelligence said they were not before we invaded. Bush never listened to anything that contradicted what "everyone knew", so we have two occupied countries on our hands that were not any threat to us -- and if the people in those countries once admired us, they now bitterly hate our guts. We have manufactured the enemies that we had fantasized about, but had not until now actually existed. We made enemies out of the whole world, because "everyone" knew they were wrong, and possibly French as well.
The path to wisdom begins not with a single step, but with the thought: "Everyone" is usually wrong. Herds don't think. The real "everyone" was the peoples of the world, who, not having CNN/Fox/MS-NBC/etc., actually saw real information on their TV's. They told us we were out of our minds, and just plain misinformed. They were right, and our "everyone" was wrong.
The U.S. basically saddled up the horses, rode out to some poverty-wracked deserts, and lynched two countries.
We've lynched the wrong countries. We've insulted, belittled, and punished our friends, who tried to tell us to slow down and think.
"Everyone" was murderously wrong.
And the bad guys got clean away. Yeehaw.
Osama is the leader of a political and religious cult. He is not part of some superconspiracy of Moslems who "hate our freedom". We've determined that this is so, however, so it must be true.
Neocon legend. There are no such papers. McCarthy was a demogogue who insinuated crimes and ruined people. He was a bully and fool, and if he is a demon, he was a demon of his own making.
There is also a neocon legend that the FBI was on Martin Luther King's side all the time. But they were trying to find out why all that violence kept dogging him around the country. Really.
If you doubt that these stories are legends, then try Googling for the stories which you think exist.
A point about his guilt: was what he did illegal at the time he did it? I highly doubt it.
After all, the Bush administration was bargaining with the Taliban not two months before 9-11. The Bushies wanted the Taliban to grant permission to one of our stellar energy companies to lay a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan. The Taliban refused.
When exactly will Bush and Cheney be arrested for dealing with the Taliban?
Or is it only brown Moslem people who get arrested for dealing with the government of Afghanistan? Rich energy companies get the President himself to send envoys to offer $$$$ to the Taliban, and no one even gets investigated.
And one other thing: Afghanistan, and the Taliban, did not attack us. The Taliban merely demanded proof of Osama's guilt before they turned him over. There are certain rules of hospitality, not to mention morality, involved in just turning over a person to be executed without a shred of evidence.
We invaded them. And did a lousy job of it, since we didn't even get who we were gunning for. And have totally screwed up the country. And even now, the Taliban is taking the country back.
Even the Taliban would have given up bin Laden, had they and the world been provided proof of guilt. What choice would they have? The bugger was guilty. But by invading, we denied any responsibility to justify invasion, firstly, and secondly, Osama bloody got away. The Taliban WAS NOT bin Laden's organization. We used them as a proxy for the focus of our anger -- so well, in fact, that Osama is now a Tonight Show joke, even as he is still at large. The Taliban and Al Qaeda have somehow become the same, to the point where some poor bugger working at Intel is smeared with working with Osama, which is not even remotely true.
Hell, Admiral Poindexter, fall guy for the shadow government run by the neocons under Reagan, and creator of the Total Information Awareness project, would be a felon had he not been rescued by his boss from certain conviction.
But try to be black in Florida, and have a similar name to a black felon in Texas. Show up on election day, November 7, 2000. Prove you are not a felon to the nice official with a List of Felons that You Sort of Sound Like.
Rich connected felon gets to create a police state apparatus with the symbol of a floating all-powerful Freemasonic eye over a pyramid radiating Knowledge Rays over a helpless world.
Innocent schmuck in Florida, who was dangerously close to help elect a Democratic president: DE-nied.
"Paranoia" is a clinical condition, a severe mental disorder. I grew up with a paranoiac; and he, sir, is not a paranoiac.
A paranoiac, or paranoid, your choice, really and truly believes that entities are out to get him. Right now. And will spend thousands of hours of your time discussing in minute, excruciating, painfully insane detail that they could not possibly know of, even if there was someone out to get them. They cannot be argued out of their delusions. They become catatonic or hysterical when they are forced to confront the lack of actual evidence for their beliefs. I've known two such people, close to me. It's a sad disorder, treatment for which is best left to professionals.
Now, as for the CIA bursting in your door. Yes, they do do that. Yes, they do torture and kill, especially with the Neocons, a REALLY paranoid group, pulling their strings today.
And the CIA is not a homogenous organization. Rumsfeld is known to have created his own private intelligence service, to serve up the answers he wants to hear. There must be other types of nonaccountable "private" intelligence groups. And knowing the really paranoid worldview the neocons hold, I've no doubt they are killing with abandon. Hell, they are killing targets right out iin the open, in Iraq, right now. Why the hell are they executing former officials and offspring of Saddam? Under what authority? I swear, If you look at what kind of power structure we are building in Iraq, you see a vision of what the 'cons would like the U.S. to look like: arbitrary arrest or execution, clamps on the press, RIAA dictating copyright laws...
Well, the CIA isn't really a problem in the U.S. I'd picture the nebulous group, Homeland Security, kicking in my door and dragging me off to torture and secret imprisonment. I can picture it because it is being done, to people most Americans don't give a damn about: poor immigrants with Middle Eastern backgrounds. But someday, the definition of "terrorist sympathizer" will inevitably expand, and good ol' white folk in the 'burbs will be disappeared as well.
I'd say they would be equally concerned with both sets of spooks. Actually, they would be more concerned about the under-the-table trouble the U.S. would inflict if they didn't do as they were asked. Maybe a Mad Cow Disease or SARS infected microchips? (Canadians are convinced that the U.S. administration boosted the Toronto SARS threat, and went ape over one cow, to punish the nation for not supporting the Iraq invasion. It cost Canada millions.) Or seriously, sub rosa trade interference, which could be quietly mentioned by U.S. agents to Abit executives. Or much more simply, federal lawsuits up the wazoo could be mentioned.
And the poster said "Patriot Act stuff", which indicates both the Act itself, and the atmosphere which surrounds it. Tho I think I'll leave the rest of the defense to the original poster.
There was an article called "alt.war.scientology" in a 1995 Wired feature article which went into much greater detail, but it's not on the Wired website, apparently.
That 1995 article set off alarms that are still clanging today.
Yes, indeed, they can do anything they like to you, and you can't do squat to stop them.
As the Feds close in, throw the key on the ground. Then, jump up an down on the key. Finally, after the case is cracked open, find the chip with the key on it. Scratch the surface with anything sharp and metallic.
Prepare to be beaten up for a couple of years in a little room next to your prison cell. And a little Fed-sanctioned rape/torture by your fellow prisoners is a sure bet. But, the data would be more-or-less safe for a while.
The original poster was trolling with the quoted insinuation about all the Democratic candidates, which had nothing to do with the article. A gratuitous, not to mention inaccurate, mass slander against men who had actually served their country, as opposed to the current PNAC ruling junta.
And every time a Limbaughite utters another BS troll attack, I will slam the liar against the wall and fight back.
Ya'll can't stand it, can you? Someone who actually calls you on your hot air?
People are DYING because of your delusions and lies.
And I'm a libertarian, for godssakes. Not a Democrat. I just can't stand utter delusional nonsense passing for thought.
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Yes, they would work from your gut. The strength of the signal is not dependent on the chip, but rather the raw power of the exterior detector. The chip merely modulates the incoming signal before it "echoes" it. Using a powerful enough detector, they could probably track you from blocks away.
Remember, these things are designed to be detectable in the bottom of a stack of pallets. Your gut ain't no problem.
RFID is also being marketed to parents to track their kids.
Prediction: first pedophiles, then common criminals, then anyone wanting to get a job with a company... finally, everyone.
If you're agin it, you're a terrorist enabler. Maybe even a terrorist yourself.
Maybe we'd better chip you, just in case.
Doesn't work, at least for the non-powered RFID tags. There's nothing there to burn out. A non-powered RFID tag is sort of a retransmitter that broadcasts a signal hardwired into its very shape; to read it a signal is broadcast by a reader, and the RFID tag sort of bounces the signal back, modulated by the very shape of the coil inside the chip.
You could fire a electron beam at the thing, and it wouldn't get damaged. Radio signals of whatever strength won't hurt it.
To destroy it, it must be physcially crushed to powder.
"shut the hell up!"
No, Bill O'Reilly Brownshirt. We won't shut up. And you can't shut off our microphone. Or threaten us with violence if we don't get out.
And Bush is a bigger threat than Al Qaeda. He invaded the wrong two countries, turned the entire Islamic world against us, humiliated and alienated everyone else, and let all the bad guys get away. He's deactivated at least four amendments to the Bill of Rights. He's established that he is not subject to any court. He can make any of us disappear at any time. We are not permitted to protest in his holy presence. He and his people are looting the Treasury. He will make destitute millions of people when the U.S. won't have the money to pay Social Security. He is the worst, most clueless, most arrogant president we have ever had. And he wasn't even elected.
All Al Qaeda can do is kill our bodies. Bush is killing the soul of America.
Major media just don't care.
But you can find all the links at The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund.
Moderate up, not down, is supposed to be the rule. Downwards moderation is supposed a response against abuse, not a machinegun for people who disagree with the poster.
IF YOU DISAGREE, then post a response like someone with a brain. Do not abuse the moderation system to sink comments you politically disagree with.
"First you'll have to find those ten thousand people the U.S. didn't kill. (Go ahead, that should be interesting.)"
Um, the figures are vague because the U.S. wants them to be. No enemy or civilian casualty figures are being given by the Pentagon. If they hadn't killed thousands, they wouldn't be non-denying denying the fact.
"Then ignore the tens of thousands who were slaughtered by the Taliban during their mercifully short reign of ignorance."
The administration gave a flying fuck about the slaughtered. They were trying to get a pipeline deal with the Taliban in July 2001 for UNOCAL.
"Wow, maybe we should reinstall Saddam so he can get back to killing 50,000 Iraqis per year. "
The Bush adminstration (the first one) counted as one of its major foreign policy successes the normalization of relations with Iraq, and Saddam Hussein. There is a famous picture of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam --
A MONTH AFTER HE HAD GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE.
We never gave a fuck about the Iraqi dead then, and we don't now. It had nothing to do with the invasion. The "liberation" is being touted by the synchronized neocon media because all the other "reasons" for the war have turned into marsh gas.
My irony meter just exploded, here we have a right wing republican (me) trying to explain to the left wing peacenicks here on /. why we shouldn't have been in a war.
There is hope, after all.
" You can be a freedom fighter without targeting non-combatant civilians."
In nuking the Sons of Saddam last week, US forces apparently blew eight civilians apart, including one, as I recall, who arrived alive in the ER with his brains on the outside of his skull.
You have to understand that people who are being blown apart don't care whether or not they are "deliberately targeted". The US killed tens of thousands in the last two years, a large number of those civilians.
Those civilians don't see much difference between the two planes bin Laden's people used, and the missles that blew out that man's brains. We are the terrorists now, as far as most of the world is concerned.
This is insane. We had EVERYONE on our side two years ago. Now we're blowing up civilians, and everyone hates our guts.
Was he collaborating before or after 9-11?
Was it illegal to talk or help the Taliban before 9-11?
Yes it was. Bush and his crew gave them sixty million smackers. And two months before the invasion, tried to negociate rights for a gas pipeline across Afghanistan.
So, before 9-11, Bush gave them US$60M, and tried for a pipeline for UNOCAL.
Why isn't he in jail?
None at all. And we slaughtered and tortured tens of thousands of people because we didn't want to observe the norms.
It was a good excuse on their part. A bluff. We could have called it, and they would probably have given him up.
Instead, we enthusiatically blew up and burned tens of thousands of people who had nothing to do with 9-11. We shot one of our own citizens, and left him in a dark coffin untreated for days. We watched Taliban members die in railroad cars, literally cooked to death.
Proxy is the key word here. We wanted to kill someone to make ourselves feel better, so we've annointed proxies to kill.
The real bad guys got away, but we don't care anymore. We cheer loudly at clips of our Afghan and Iraqi "victories" on TV, and laugh at bin Laden jokes on the Tonight Show.
Um, the U.S. recognized Al Qaeda de facto in July of 2001, when Bush's people tried to negotiate a gas pipeline across Afghanistan.
And Saudi Arabia was the home of the financial backers of Al Qaeda. Most of the attackers were Saudi Arabian.
Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia, then?
And some people can speculate all they like, but it isn't information.
Rush Limbaugh is a liar and a demogogue, and no information from his lips is admissable.
Rush, curiously, has no transcripts available for his daily show. Hard to fact check someone who lies at 60/minute, if there's no record of what he says.
An incomplete analogy.
The Taliban were not refusing to give him up. They were refusing to give him up without some proof he was guilty.
Bush could have given them the proof, but instead gave them a deadline.
Here's a thing: the culture in that area respects hospitality towards guests as one of the highest duties a man has. They could not just hand the accused over to a lynch mob, not without some sort of fig leaf, anything at all, to establish his guilt.
Had they been given proof, they might have handed the al Qaeda over without a qualm. Instead, Bush showboated to a scared U.S. and declared that the Taliban hand over the group, or die.
Another part of the area's culture: they don't take threats of invasion well. They're kind of known for it. Ask the Russians.
And we are not the police. There is international law in place to handle situation such as bin Laden and his murderers. We blew it off. We stepped outside all law, and cannot claim the protection of the law now.
And as police, we pretty much suck. A wide open country, AND HE GOT AWAY.
And I still don't understand what all this has to do with Taliban supporters in the U.S. Bush and company did business with the Taliban not two months before 9-11. They gave them 60 million US dollars.
I don't see Bush locked up in a hole for six years. Isn't he a collaborator on a massive scale?
The Taliban, as others mention, had no money. They were poor. Destitute.
"Everyone knew" has been the battle cry for both Afghanistan and Iraq. And it turns out "everyone" was wrong.
The Taliban was not al Qaeda, and did not share the same goals. It hosted the group, but a lot of countries hosted the group. Including Saudi Arabia, which is mysteriously uninvaded at present.
And Iraq was not "in bed" with al Qaeda. There is no intelligence to that effect. As a matter of fact, all intelligence said they were not before we invaded. Bush never listened to anything that contradicted what "everyone knew", so we have two occupied countries on our hands that were not any threat to us -- and if the people in those countries once admired us, they now bitterly hate our guts. We have manufactured the enemies that we had fantasized about, but had not until now actually existed. We made enemies out of the whole world, because "everyone" knew they were wrong, and possibly French as well.
The path to wisdom begins not with a single step, but with the thought: "Everyone" is usually wrong. Herds don't think. The real "everyone" was the peoples of the world, who, not having CNN/Fox/MS-NBC/etc., actually saw real information on their TV's. They told us we were out of our minds, and just plain misinformed. They were right, and our "everyone" was wrong.
The U.S. basically saddled up the horses, rode out to some poverty-wracked deserts, and lynched two countries.
We've lynched the wrong countries. We've insulted, belittled, and punished our friends, who tried to tell us to slow down and think.
"Everyone" was murderously wrong.
And the bad guys got clean away. Yeehaw.
Osama is the leader of a political and religious cult. He is not part of some superconspiracy of Moslems who "hate our freedom". We've determined that this is so, however, so it must be true.
Neocon legend. There are no such papers. McCarthy was a demogogue who insinuated crimes and ruined people. He was a bully and fool, and if he is a demon, he was a demon of his own making.
There is also a neocon legend that the FBI was on Martin Luther King's side all the time. But they were trying to find out why all that violence kept dogging him around the country. Really.
If you doubt that these stories are legends, then try Googling for the stories which you think exist.
A point about his guilt: was what he did illegal at the time he did it? I highly doubt it.
After all, the Bush administration was bargaining with the Taliban not two months before 9-11. The Bushies wanted the Taliban to grant permission to one of our stellar energy companies to lay a natural gas pipeline through Afghanistan. The Taliban refused.
When exactly will Bush and Cheney be arrested for dealing with the Taliban?
Or is it only brown Moslem people who get arrested for dealing with the government of Afghanistan? Rich energy companies get the President himself to send envoys to offer $$$$ to the Taliban, and no one even gets investigated.
And one other thing: Afghanistan, and the Taliban, did not attack us. The Taliban merely demanded proof of Osama's guilt before they turned him over. There are certain rules of hospitality, not to mention morality, involved in just turning over a person to be executed without a shred of evidence.
We invaded them. And did a lousy job of it, since we didn't even get who we were gunning for. And have totally screwed up the country. And even now, the Taliban is taking the country back.
Even the Taliban would have given up bin Laden, had they and the world been provided proof of guilt. What choice would they have? The bugger was guilty. But by invading, we denied any responsibility to justify invasion, firstly, and secondly, Osama bloody got away. The Taliban WAS NOT bin Laden's organization. We used them as a proxy for the focus of our anger -- so well, in fact, that Osama is now a Tonight Show joke, even as he is still at large. The Taliban and Al Qaeda have somehow become the same, to the point where some poor bugger working at Intel is smeared with working with Osama, which is not even remotely true.
Oh the idiocy and nastiness of it all.
Hell, Admiral Poindexter, fall guy for the shadow government run by the neocons under Reagan, and creator of the Total Information Awareness project, would be a felon had he not been rescued by his boss from certain conviction.
But try to be black in Florida, and have a similar name to a black felon in Texas. Show up on election day, November 7, 2000. Prove you are not a felon to the nice official with a List of Felons that You Sort of Sound Like.
Rich connected felon gets to create a police state apparatus with the symbol of a floating all-powerful Freemasonic eye over a pyramid radiating Knowledge Rays over a helpless world.
Innocent schmuck in Florida, who was dangerously close to help elect a Democratic president: DE-nied.
"Paranoia" is a clinical condition, a severe mental disorder. I grew up with a paranoiac; and he, sir, is not a paranoiac.
A paranoiac, or paranoid, your choice, really and truly believes that entities are out to get him. Right now. And will spend thousands of hours of your time discussing in minute, excruciating, painfully insane detail that they could not possibly know of, even if there was someone out to get them. They cannot be argued out of their delusions. They become catatonic or hysterical when they are forced to confront the lack of actual evidence for their beliefs. I've known two such people, close to me. It's a sad disorder, treatment for which is best left to professionals.
Now, as for the CIA bursting in your door. Yes, they do do that. Yes, they do torture and kill, especially with the Neocons, a REALLY paranoid group, pulling their strings today.
And the CIA is not a homogenous organization. Rumsfeld is known to have created his own private intelligence service, to serve up the answers he wants to hear. There must be other types of nonaccountable "private" intelligence groups. And knowing the really paranoid worldview the neocons hold, I've no doubt they are killing with abandon. Hell, they are killing targets right out iin the open, in Iraq, right now. Why the hell are they executing former officials and offspring of Saddam? Under what authority? I swear, If you look at what kind of power structure we are building in Iraq, you see a vision of what the 'cons would like the U.S. to look like: arbitrary arrest or execution, clamps on the press, RIAA dictating copyright laws...
Well, the CIA isn't really a problem in the U.S. I'd picture the nebulous group, Homeland Security, kicking in my door and dragging me off to torture and secret imprisonment. I can picture it because it is being done, to people most Americans don't give a damn about: poor immigrants with Middle Eastern backgrounds. But someday, the definition of "terrorist sympathizer" will inevitably expand, and good ol' white folk in the 'burbs will be disappeared as well.
Not paranoia. It is happening now.
Neocons. You can dish out the hate, but you can't take any opposition. Sad. Shout everyone down, that's it.
I'd say they would be equally concerned with both sets of spooks. Actually, they would be more concerned about the under-the-table trouble the U.S. would inflict if they didn't do as they were asked. Maybe a Mad Cow Disease or SARS infected microchips? (Canadians are convinced that the U.S. administration boosted the Toronto SARS threat, and went ape over one cow, to punish the nation for not supporting the Iraq invasion. It cost Canada millions.) Or seriously, sub rosa trade interference, which could be quietly mentioned by U.S. agents to Abit executives. Or much more simply, federal lawsuits up the wazoo could be mentioned.
And the poster said "Patriot Act stuff", which indicates both the Act itself, and the atmosphere which surrounds it. Tho I think I'll leave the rest of the defense to the original poster.
And of course, this this classic case from 1995.
There was an article called "alt.war.scientology" in a 1995 Wired feature article which went into much greater detail, but it's not on the Wired website, apparently.
That 1995 article set off alarms that are still clanging today.
Yes, indeed, they can do anything they like to you, and you can't do squat to stop them.
As the Feds close in, throw the key on the ground. Then, jump up an down on the key. Finally, after the case is cracked open, find the chip with the key on it. Scratch the surface with anything sharp and metallic.
Prepare to be beaten up for a couple of years in a little room next to your prison cell. And a little Fed-sanctioned rape/torture by your fellow prisoners is a sure bet. But, the data would be more-or-less safe for a while.
I think he means that the Guvmint spooks would be using informal backdoor agreements with Abit, Patriot Act or no.
Score: 2, Troll?
The original poster was trolling with the quoted insinuation about all the Democratic candidates, which had nothing to do with the article. A gratuitous, not to mention inaccurate, mass slander against men who had actually served their country, as opposed to the current PNAC ruling junta.
And every time a Limbaughite utters another BS troll attack, I will slam the liar against the wall and fight back.
Ya'll can't stand it, can you? Someone who actually calls you on your hot air?
People are DYING because of your delusions and lies.
And I'm a libertarian, for godssakes. Not a Democrat. I just can't stand utter delusional nonsense passing for thought.