Just like the nuclear powerplant disaster in Japan the PHBs and cost accountants only care about costs as in have it all wireless so we can have 1 guy do the work of 20 by having it on the internet instead instead of having someone there.
This should be regulated if SCADA is used for any public infrastructure and one of them is no networking. Even a fiber link can get spliced. It is more difficult and expensive to do but Iran has the dough to do it and would be a target.
Splicing is a mechanical action, and since humans do not move faster than light, that means that you can detect the signal alteration/disruption resulting from tampering with fiber.
I will concede that ability to safeguard the nation's SCADA networks does not rule out the possibility...the likelihood...that one or more CEOs will/have decided that short term profits - that is, increasing the value of their stock options, which is called "increasing shareholder value" for public consumption - outweighs the public's and the nation's safety and security and so the nation's industrial control systems are...Swiss cheese-y.
That - the only priority is "increasing shareholder value" - has been the rule in America since Jack Welch made it so...and he indeed was involved in the nuclear industry.
Concur. Makes me shudder to think of running SCADA over wireless....even if it were encrypted spread-spectrum technology. Between RF noise and signal injection/interception...lollll...makes my whole background want to throw up. Gimme that fiber!
Banning risky behavior that negatively impacts insurance or other corporate profits/drives up health insurance premiums is the unspoken foundation theme of The Matrix. Ya'll prepared to - soon enough - give up skateboarding, bicycling, skydiving, manually driving, failing to exercise, eating non-prescribed foods, etc, etc, etc.???
Read the comments again...there are a whole lot more people out there who want to restrict what you can do than tell you that you are free...
Let's face it: we now live in a surveillance society.
Only because the majority of the voters want it that way.
Do not mistake apathy for intent. We have insufficient data to suggest that people want it this way. They just don't care enough [...]
I would dispute that, too. My belief is the evolving totalitarian state isn't a matter of voter desire or voter apathy; it is simply misplaced trust; too many Americans project themselves and their own behavior onto their elected officials. I.e., they wouldn't sell their friends and neighbors out, so they cannot envision a scenario wherein their elected officials would, either. Even though it keeps happening.
On top of which you have to add a lack of awareness of the scope of the systems that are already in place and, further, a lack of the imagination required to conceptualize how those systems might be used to first curtail and then crush individual liberty...which again comes back to the American people's provincialism: They've never seen just how bad it can get...they're not aware of just how far so-called "conservatives"/totalitarians are not just willing but eager to go.
Ignorance isn't bliss...as anyone who has ever seen a cow contentedly chewing its cud as it walks up the ramp to the slaughterhouse may already have concluded.
I WOULD count the number of Americans that falsely believe that some their fellow Americans are crazed religious nutbags that want to slaughter people who theologically disagree with them as AT LEAST one, and probably more as I know that there is a strain of anti-religious (Really, Anti-Christian) fervor that has infected some people in America that has no grounding in reality and is instead held up by anti-religiously bigoted propaganda by people with political and financial hay to make.
a) I see lots of commentators on the web who quote the Bible - I guess as a way of breaking up their unending stream of anti-Islam rhetoric
b) I live in the hills of Western Pennsylvania - right here where Bibles and guns (lots of guns, I might add) are in everybody's living room...I hear such rhetoric "live and in person"...enough.
c) Ever watch CBN?
If it's a "lie", ya'll surely do have a lot of great actors...way better than Romney and Ryan.
I certainly wouldn't disagree with you - in fact, I'd say that your comment is so very "common sense" that I am unable to see the actions of that filmmaker or those who distribute that film as being anything other than a conscious attempt to betray our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines as well as all overseas American civilians.
Perhaps...I won't bother to contest the definition of "plenty"; instead I would ask how many GIs are demanding that other Americans be sent off to risk life and limb to satisfy their lust for blood sacrifices in the name of religion while they stay safe at home?
Strange, how the blood-thirstiest Americans on all subjects Islamic are those who have avoided - or, all too often, evaded - wearing one of the uniforms of this nation's military.
FOSS ain't totalitarianism. The point, IMO, of open source is do it the way you think is the best way. If enough people conclude you're right, your way is incorporated. If insufficient do, you reanalyze and improve (at least a couple of times) until your approach gains acceptance. All while keeping an eye out for parallel development efforts that look "smarter", "better", "more efficient", or what have you - and then incorporating those ideas if feasible or abandoning your effort if the general direction you're going becomes a dead end/obsolete before acceptance.
To summarize, when you have complete freedom failure is a decision you choose for yourself - it ain't somebody else's fault. It can be a community's "fault" if you feel you must attribute fault (we call those who attempt to lay blame and isolate all power to themselves "Republicans" in America, and must constantly duck their accusations that community involvement in any and all things is "mob rule"), but hey - that's democracy.
I said that once your data leaves your physical control, it is available to anybody who has physical access to the hardware infrastructure of the internet and/or - dependent upon link media - the ability to tap LOS and/or satellite communications. Which includes many multinational corporations and - dependent upon endpoints - many governments. And your data is additionally available to anybody who successfully breaches the software at an endpoint, whether that endpoint software is a website or a webapp. Said breach might be man-in-the-middle or simply leeching.
Depends upon whether you're serving your web app up "in-house", does it not? If data - even encrypted data - exits your premises, then it becomes accessible to others by definition as you do not have physical control over the communications links.
'shifting to the web,' with the need for native applications on the decline."
I.e., people were voluntarily saying "Here is everything that there is to know about me - snoop away, whether you're a government or a gigantic corporation. I'll content myself with just bitching about it as you put all that is me - all that I have given you - into your databases and analyze the best way to manipulate and control me!"
People don't seem to think of consequences when they scramble to ride the newest technology wave.
The success of such litigation is dependent upon all countries honoring the outcome of such trials. I don't think the 21st-century world is the same as the 20th-century world you refer to...the locking of all of the Western world's manufacturers behind Apple may be recognized as the great opportunity that it is in some countries.
Can you imagine the state of automobile development if these lawyers, judges, and juries had been around to rule that the first one out the door with a four-wheeled design incorporating an engine and a forward-facing screen owned the automotive universe? Even Henry Ford would have been "too late" to market. And the same thing for aircraft...the Wright flyer would have ruled, inefficiently.
On the other hand, war would have remained much more...personal...perhaps making it more difficult to invoke.
Made me laugh in that it embodies the ideology of and so links to the American right...who, for some reason, really, really want Assange and his sources silenced.
And since the difference between the American right and the British right can be encapsulated between ||.....
Can't wait for them to drill down through the ice into that big shiny sea of mercury that proves the earth was puking up Hg 600 years ago just like coal plants do today.
The only time I've ever seen a modern Republican rely on science was when the science supported his or her ideology. If science conflicts with the right's ideology, then either the Bible or that ideology rules. Likewise, anytime the Bible conflicts with the right's ideology, then ideology takes precedence.
That's why people take them. If they could afford to pay, then they could afford keyboards that didn't have the ( " ) key missing and you'd know they weren't plagiarizing, they were just quoting.
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Just like the nuclear powerplant disaster in Japan the PHBs and cost accountants only care about costs as in have it all wireless so we can have 1 guy do the work of 20 by having it on the internet instead instead of having someone there.
This should be regulated if SCADA is used for any public infrastructure and one of them is no networking. Even a fiber link can get spliced. It is more difficult and expensive to do but Iran has the dough to do it and would be a target.
Splicing is a mechanical action, and since humans do not move faster than light, that means that you can detect the signal alteration/disruption resulting from tampering with fiber.
I will concede that ability to safeguard the nation's SCADA networks does not rule out the possibility...the likelihood...that one or more CEOs will/have decided that short term profits - that is, increasing the value of their stock options, which is called "increasing shareholder value" for public consumption - outweighs the public's and the nation's safety and security and so the nation's industrial control systems are...Swiss cheese-y.
That - the only priority is "increasing shareholder value" - has been the rule in America since Jack Welch made it so...and he indeed was involved in the nuclear industry.
Concur. Makes me shudder to think of running SCADA over wireless....even if it were encrypted spread-spectrum technology. Between RF noise and signal injection/interception...lollll...makes my whole background want to throw up. Gimme that fiber!
Banning risky behavior that negatively impacts insurance or other corporate profits/drives up health insurance premiums is the unspoken foundation theme of The Matrix. Ya'll prepared to - soon enough - give up skateboarding, bicycling, skydiving, manually driving, failing to exercise, eating non-prescribed foods, etc, etc, etc.???
Read the comments again...there are a whole lot more people out there who want to restrict what you can do than tell you that you are free...
Let's face it: we now live in a surveillance society.
Only because the majority of the voters want it that way.
Do not mistake apathy for intent. We have insufficient data to suggest that people want it this way. They just don't care enough [...]
I would dispute that, too. My belief is the evolving totalitarian state isn't a matter of voter desire or voter apathy; it is simply misplaced trust; too many Americans project themselves and their own behavior onto their elected officials. I.e., they wouldn't sell their friends and neighbors out, so they cannot envision a scenario wherein their elected officials would, either. Even though it keeps happening.
On top of which you have to add a lack of awareness of the scope of the systems that are already in place and, further, a lack of the imagination required to conceptualize how those systems might be used to first curtail and then crush individual liberty...which again comes back to the American people's provincialism: They've never seen just how bad it can get...they're not aware of just how far so-called "conservatives"/totalitarians are not just willing but eager to go.
Ignorance isn't bliss...as anyone who has ever seen a cow contentedly chewing its cud as it walks up the ramp to the slaughterhouse may already have concluded.
Makes you wonder if Foxconn can turn America off faster than the computer shops in India can. We should have a race!
I WOULD count the number of Americans that falsely believe that some their fellow Americans are crazed religious nutbags that want to slaughter people who theologically disagree with them as AT LEAST one, and probably more as I know that there is a strain of anti-religious (Really, Anti-Christian) fervor that has infected some people in America that has no grounding in reality and is instead held up by anti-religiously bigoted propaganda by people with political and financial hay to make.
Congratulations on buying into the lie, BTW.
Guess I should have included:
d) Ever heard of the Family Research Council?
a) I see lots of commentators on the web who quote the Bible - I guess as a way of breaking up their unending stream of anti-Islam rhetoric
b) I live in the hills of Western Pennsylvania - right here where Bibles and guns (lots of guns, I might add) are in everybody's living room...I hear such rhetoric "live and in person"...enough.
c) Ever watch CBN?
If it's a "lie", ya'll surely do have a lot of great actors...way better than Romney and Ryan.
Concur, again...we didn't get all of the Charlie Mansons out there locked up.
I certainly wouldn't disagree with you - in fact, I'd say that your comment is so very "common sense" that I am unable to see the actions of that filmmaker or those who distribute that film as being anything other than a conscious attempt to betray our soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines as well as all overseas American civilians.
Perhaps...I won't bother to contest the definition of "plenty"; instead I would ask how many GIs are demanding that other Americans be sent off to risk life and limb to satisfy their lust for blood sacrifices in the name of religion while they stay safe at home?
Strange, how the blood-thirstiest Americans on all subjects Islamic are those who have avoided - or, all too often, evaded - wearing one of the uniforms of this nation's military.
Talk about an obvious use for a g-force sensor...what's next? Somebody patenting using a screwdriver for a chisel or to open paint cans?
FOSS ain't totalitarianism. The point, IMO, of open source is do it the way you think is the best way. If enough people conclude you're right, your way is incorporated. If insufficient do, you reanalyze and improve (at least a couple of times) until your approach gains acceptance. All while keeping an eye out for parallel development efforts that look "smarter", "better", "more efficient", or what have you - and then incorporating those ideas if feasible or abandoning your effort if the general direction you're going becomes a dead end/obsolete before acceptance.
To summarize, when you have complete freedom failure is a decision you choose for yourself - it ain't somebody else's fault. It can be a community's "fault" if you feel you must attribute fault (we call those who attempt to lay blame and isolate all power to themselves "Republicans" in America, and must constantly duck their accusations that community involvement in any and all things is "mob rule"), but hey - that's democracy.
Where to report script kiddies...
Their mothers. Duh.
So now your argument is that networks are evil?
It would appear to me that you said that.
I said that once your data leaves your physical control, it is available to anybody who has physical access to the hardware infrastructure of the internet and/or - dependent upon link media - the ability to tap LOS and/or satellite communications. Which includes many multinational corporations and - dependent upon endpoints - many governments. And your data is additionally available to anybody who successfully breaches the software at an endpoint, whether that endpoint software is a website or a webapp. Said breach might be man-in-the-middle or simply leeching.
Roger that...there are still Telco lines out there that are wick...eh, I mean paper insulated "dry" core.
Depends upon whether you're serving your web app up "in-house", does it not? If data - even encrypted data - exits your premises, then it becomes accessible to others by definition as you do not have physical control over the communications links.
Next time, embezzle a few billion bucks from pension accounts, you pay a few millions back as "punishment" and go out as a rich and free man.
While it made me laugh, you should add that they should first get a white collar job or at least take the exams to become a licensed stockbroker.
That's where the free pass comes from: Whether you're associated with a mainstream "business" or not.
'shifting to the web,' with the need for native applications on the decline."
I.e., people were voluntarily saying "Here is everything that there is to know about me - snoop away, whether you're a government or a gigantic corporation. I'll content myself with just bitching about it as you put all that is me - all that I have given you - into your databases and analyze the best way to manipulate and control me!"
People don't seem to think of consequences when they scramble to ride the newest technology wave.
The success of such litigation is dependent upon all countries honoring the outcome of such trials. I don't think the 21st-century world is the same as the 20th-century world you refer to...the locking of all of the Western world's manufacturers behind Apple may be recognized as the great opportunity that it is in some countries.
Can you imagine the state of automobile development if these lawyers, judges, and juries had been around to rule that the first one out the door with a four-wheeled design incorporating an engine and a forward-facing screen owned the automotive universe? Even Henry Ford would have been "too late" to market. And the same thing for aircraft...the Wright flyer would have ruled, inefficiently.
On the other hand, war would have remained much more...personal...perhaps making it more difficult to invoke.
Sweden is the Saudi Arabia of feminism.
Made me laugh in that it embodies the ideology of and so links to the American right...who, for some reason, really, really want Assange and his sources silenced.
And since the difference between the American right and the British right can be encapsulated between ||.....
Can't wait for them to drill down through the ice into that big shiny sea of mercury that proves the earth was puking up Hg 600 years ago just like coal plants do today.
Should make thermometers cheap!
The only time I've ever seen a modern Republican rely on science was when the science supported his or her ideology. If science conflicts with the right's ideology, then either the Bible or that ideology rules. Likewise, anytime the Bible conflicts with the right's ideology, then ideology takes precedence.
That's just how they are.
That's why people take them. If they could afford to pay, then they could afford keyboards that didn't have the ( " ) key missing and you'd know they weren't plagiarizing, they were just quoting.
At length.