I'm sorry I called you deluded, it's just the fun of bravado and certainly nothing personal =)
I'm not even that in love with OpenBSD tbh. it's just the better of a bad bunch. And it does my things the way I want them doing. I guess my desktop would fill you with horror =)
Superusers are a design mistake, forgivable for the 60s/70s but just plain idiotic now. Almost everything else stems out of that crippling blow. Privilege escalation is the curse.
Windows has it's own design problems built out of trying to bring a rich set of features to the user/developer. Perhaps the biggest problem was the late incorporation of HTML into the UI due to the failure of the pre-HTTP MSN.
Now both camps are dealing with the horrors of backwards compatibility and Windows ubiquitous monoculture gives them this massive inertia.
You can keep your HumVee. They don't even fit on our roads so if you ever come here you'd better hire a horse !
if it wasn't for licensing hiccups the plan9 c compiler would be OpenBSD's default by now:
"I am sorry for the strong minded way in which I am approaching this, but I am very dissapointed [sic] that after years of requesting that the plan9 c compiler become free so that we can start extending it and working with it... that we could be rebuffed in such a way because the lawyers have not been properly reined in." Theo de Raadt
then one has to make the crime fit the punishment !
People here in the UK advocate a life sentence for carrying a gun, what they fail to realise is that if I am on the verge of being caught by a cop with a gun in my pocket then it is worth the risk shooting him, after all life in prison is the most I will get either way.
Lets say the suggestion works and computer break ins dwindle towards zero. Vendors will become complacent and holes will open. Those that decide to take the risk to enter through them had better make sure that the payoff is worth the risk.
All the rest is coping with your skewed notions of power and flexibilty.
Windows 2003 SERVER
ergo peripherals are small fry, it's a server to do servery things
That OpenBSD doesn't have a ForceFeedback steering wheel or whatever has little to do with it.
That Windows will run Intuit or Everquest II and OpenBSD won't has nothing to do with it.
Wow, you found a way that a local user can escalate privileges.
The funniest thing is that I *don't* tout OpenBSD as anything, other than I can install it and won't get owned by some punk on the internet (unlike Windows 2003 Advanced Server).
Active Directories MSN Messenger Windows Media Player Solitaire Cdonts IIS
are all stuff I can happily live without
I can get out the OpenBSD CDs, install a box and happily and without concern attach it directly to the internet and be safe in the knowledge that I won't be rooted, all inside 20 minutes.
That is my favourite feature.
Wow, you cite the limitation of systrace as a metric as to why Windows is more Powerful than OpenBSD. hahahahaha
I'm British, in 1825 my great, great 1..n great granddad moved from Cork to Nottingham.
I wasn't really delving into the rights and wrongs (though my bias can't help but come through). My point was that asking the people in a region if they want to have succession is not enough. As a British subject I have an opinion on a United Ireland but the OP was suggesting that *anywhere* could decide to have a vote for the people living there and should it be YES they should be allowed to self govern. My opinion is that a wider consensus is required.
> Actually if you ask any mainland Brit about Northern Ireland, most would say, give them their independence. Let them fight it out.
I think you have a different value of "any" to me. Those I know with that attitude are woefully ignorant of the history of my country and it's unwelcome place in British colonialism.
And, before you lump me in with the cake eaters, I am a regular visitor to NI and Eire
I was trying to highlight that it is not just the residents who have an interest.
Consider the situtation in Scotland once oil was discovered. Under the OP's scheme, Aberdeen should have been allowed to partition and take control of the oil, clearly contrary to the investment England made to Scotland, bailing them out of bancrupcty.
> lornhorn gives developers the ability to write safer, faster, more powerful programs
Presumably you mean Longhorn.
And I'm interested as to where you got your evaluation for from an OS that isn;t even finished yet.
I'm also interested to know what new Kernel API's will provide these all singing all dancing syscalls that can't be coded in today's userland. Could you enlighten me please.
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The VIA Eden / C3 processor was added to gcc in ver 3.3 onwards
http://www.courville.org/phpwiki/Gcc
I've had MIssing Opcode panics from GENERIC kernels on OpenBSD, FreeBSD and plan9
AND the only version that is 1.0.5 on that page is the US EN version
where agnostic means Win / Linux / Mac OS X
> The Plan 9 compiler is not especially good.
Are you sure about that ?
I think we'd better agree to disagree
I'm sorry I called you deluded, it's just the fun of bravado and certainly nothing personal =)
I'm not even that in love with OpenBSD tbh. it's just the better of a bad bunch. And it does my things the way I want them doing. I guess my desktop would fill you with horror =)
http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/basic_screen.gif
Superusers are a design mistake, forgivable for the 60s/70s but just plain idiotic now. Almost everything else stems out of that crippling blow. Privilege escalation is the curse.
Windows has it's own design problems built out of trying to bring a rich set of features to the user/developer. Perhaps the biggest problem was the late incorporation of HTML into the UI due to the failure of the pre-HTTP MSN.
Now both camps are dealing with the horrors of backwards compatibility and Windows ubiquitous monoculture gives them this massive inertia.
You can keep your HumVee. They don't even fit on our roads so if you ever come here you'd better hire a horse !
> It is much much harder to write a compiler that generated good and fast code (now you need hundreds of experienced engineers working for years)
:
This assumption is wrong
see here and here
if it wasn't for licensing hiccups the plan9 c compiler would be OpenBSD's default by now
"I am sorry for the strong minded way in which I am approaching this,
but I am very dissapointed [sic] that after years of requesting that the
plan9 c compiler become free so that we can start extending it and
working with it... that we could be rebuffed in such a way because the
lawyers have not been properly reined in." Theo de Raadt
then one has to make the crime fit the punishment !
People here in the UK advocate a life sentence for carrying a gun, what they fail to realise is that if I am on the verge of being caught by a cop with a gun in my pocket then it is worth the risk shooting him, after all life in prison is the most I will get either way.
Lets say the suggestion works and computer break ins dwindle towards zero. Vendors will become complacent and holes will open. Those that decide to take the risk to enter through them had better make sure that the payoff is worth the risk.
my OP said "what did I have to do - Nothing"
All the rest is coping with your skewed notions of power and flexibilty.
Windows 2003 SERVER
ergo peripherals are small fry, it's a server to do servery things
That OpenBSD doesn't have a ForceFeedback steering wheel or whatever has little to do with it.
That Windows will run Intuit or Everquest II and OpenBSD won't has nothing to do with it.
Wow, you found a way that a local user can escalate privileges.
The funniest thing is that I *don't* tout OpenBSD as anything, other than I can install it and won't get owned by some punk on the internet (unlike Windows 2003 Advanced Server).
My *desktop* machine is a plan9 box.
Your turn
My metric is that if the hardware is not open enough to have drivers then it is the hardware that is less useful, not the OS.
it has the features I want in my operating system
Active Directories
MSN Messenger
Windows Media Player
Solitaire
Cdonts
IIS
are all stuff I can happily live without
I can get out the OpenBSD CDs, install a box and happily and without concern attach it directly to the internet and be safe in the knowledge that I won't be rooted, all inside 20 minutes.
That is my favourite feature.
Wow, you cite the limitation of systrace as a metric as to why Windows is more Powerful than OpenBSD. hahahahaha
go away now please
REMOTE EXPLOITS, OUT OF THE BOX
but you are right, nothing is 100%
but I just had to laugh, all but the syscall article were published before 2003 !!
> OpenBSD is limited, period!
You say that like it's a bad thing.
> OpenBSD is not as flexible, ubiquitous, & powerful overall vs Windows Server 2003.
some of us call that a feature (except your erroneous "powerful" observation, unless, of course, you have a metric for that - no? thought not)
APK - give it up or I might have to go plan9 on you
> Big deal, does OpenBSD run as many applications and on as many hardwares as does Windows Server 2003?
How is that relevant ?
Does Windows Server 2003 run on UltraSparc ?
toe the line
I'm British, in 1825 my great, great 1..n great granddad moved from Cork to Nottingham.
I wasn't really delving into the rights and wrongs (though my bias can't help but come through). My point was that asking the people in a region if they want to have succession is not enough. As a British subject I have an opinion on a United Ireland but the OP was suggesting that *anywhere* could decide to have a vote for the people living there and should it be YES they should be allowed to self govern. My opinion is that a wider consensus is required.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/events/dublin/dead.htm
> Actually if you ask any mainland Brit about Northern Ireland, most would say, give them their independence. Let them fight it out.
I think you have a different value of "any" to me. Those I know with that attitude are woefully ignorant of the history of my country and it's unwelcome place in British colonialism.
And, before you lump me in with the cake eaters, I am a regular visitor to NI and Eire
OpenBSD
seems you are deluded
You seem to misunderstand what "fittest" means, in evolutionary terms.
I was trying to highlight that it is not just the residents who have an interest.
Consider the situtation in Scotland once oil was discovered. Under the OP's scheme, Aberdeen should have been allowed to partition and take control of the oil, clearly contrary to the investment England made to Scotland, bailing them out of bancrupcty.
although I seem a bot contrary, I was basically agreeing that the OPs plan was unsound.
As a 7th generation Irishman living in Britain I have my own perspective going on.
and the British Army no longer plant bombs in Dublin.
You forget that for a concept of a united Ireland to exists there are TWO dis-united halves. You are only counting one of the pieces.
Your wikipedia font of knowledge is a peep through a keyhole.
I guess too you should also count every British national before considering who wants what.
My feet might vote for secession but my other body parts surely deserve a say in the matter!
in Soviet Russia insightful mods you !
> lornhorn gives developers the ability to write safer, faster, more powerful programs
Presumably you mean Longhorn.
And I'm interested as to where you got your evaluation for from an OS that isn;t even finished yet.
I'm also interested to know what new Kernel API's will provide these all singing all dancing syscalls that can't be coded in today's userland. Could you enlighten me please.
> The problem is that any server that runs a Windowing UI is wasting resources and therefore not under real consideration of prime server markets.
Primer Server Market people need to go to computer school to learn what an interrupt is.
when I was 13 I used to type in op codes using hex, not even an assembler.
so stfu n00b =)