I've heard trhe argument before and it's utter toss.
For a start the environment is in constant flux. Our existence in evolutionary time is less than the blink of an eye, We'll be dead and gone by before the universe knos we're here!
Acme is a programmers tool and comes as part of plan9 & Inferno
things like click on an include filename and it opens in another pane, plumb an error message and the source file opens in the editor on the line specified in the error message, shell output to a pane, etc. etc.
There's an Acme clone for unix systems called Wily
oh yeah, btw where can I download Internet Explorer for FreebSD?
You just don't like a winner oh, here we go, you're getting irrational now
spout your filthy leftist dogma at anyone who's willing to listen.
er, this is a FreeBSD thread
You, sir, are worse than Hitler. leftist and Nazi, I'm doing pretty well esp. as I despise both camps despite being lumped in with the left for my anti-capitalist views (except for my pension plan & healthcare of course!)
Package management is not a good argument. If that were the case I think windows installer is better.
When I go to windows.update does it upgrade all the 3rd party software I've installed ?
For instance, I cvsup on a daily cron and once a week run portupgrade. It upgrades ALL the software I install via the ports tree such as KDE, Opera, Mozilla. I'd be impressed if windows update upgraded my mozilla for me but as we know, it doesn't.
I tried Mandrake for a week or so and found the Mandrake RPM updater a pain to use, not least of which was the fact that I had to point and click things. I'm not really knocking Mandrake, Penguins for Courses n that but portupgrade is a vast improvement.
I do realise that your critique is directed at the article & not FreeBSD:)
One of FBSD's advantages is it's centralised nature. You can contribute & use as you see fit but there is one definitive point of contact which does make a difference when it comes to finding answers to questions.
Linux is in the light and I like the GPL and the politics that goes with it. I don't think I would ever seriously tell anyone to migrate from Linux to FreeBSD but if you are a bit of a geek you'll try them all anyway!
I don't care though, I'm in the 45-50 cap zone anyway.
Sure Debian might have the upgrading problem sorted out
(but actually I doubt it's as good tbh but that's pure speculation)
but the other distro's don't.
The java thing is annoying for me as I've got a project waiting for a java applet and I can't get konq to use java.
For me FreeBSD brings me consistency and ease of use. Linux has the light but so what, strength to your Penguin. I moved from slackware to FreeBSD (sadly via NT 3.5-4!). I tried Debian but didn't get along with it. My real OS of choice is plan9 but I won't go on.
and I know it's not new but maybe you linux heads might've missed it.
FreeBSD now has a third party script that will auto-update any ports you've installed.
cvs update to the lates ports list and run portupgrade -ra and ALL of your port instaleld software will be updated to the latest version and dependencies resolved and reset (and a tool pkgdb will do some pre upgrade checks)
It's great. I'm going on about it because I'm so impressed with it.
I haven't defined GNU/Linux as an "Operating System" in any of my posts.
All I've said is that GNU/Linux is the name of somethign and that to use that name in documents is not zealotry.
I'm pretty sure the Dover President would use the phrase "Dover machinery is used make Kellogs Rice Krispies" in any documentation for public consumption rather than "Dover machinery makes toasted rice cereal".
GNU/Linux is called GNU/Linux get over it everybody!
the wonderful irony is that I really couldn't care less wtf. you call it. I don't even use Linux let alone get hot under the collar about it
I'll say it again seeing as everyone has their thumb up their ass and can't read.
The mag talks of a product called GNU/Linux.
Debian GNU/Linux is the name Debian give their distribution.
This is much the same as BMW Williams (a car built by Williams but powered by BMW) or Jordan Honda (a car built by Jordan but powered by Honda) or Penske Chevrolet (some American effort).
No one would consider for one moment that anyone at Honda was being a zealot when they insisted Jordan used the Honda bit in the name of that car. And likewise to call someone a zealot for calling Gnu/Linux Gnu/Linux is plain ridiculous.
Thanks for the karma that this thread has earned me but I really don't need it:)
good call, I'm going to use my karma to move it to +2 :
Every OS distribution I've seen that includes the Linux kernel is a GNU System, because it incorporates pretty much all of the software that resulted from Project GNU and can't do much of anything without it. If it's so easy to assemble an OS using Linux that isn't a GNU System, then out of all the ingrates who resent the knowledge that they're currently running a GNU System done anything about it?
That still isn't the point. The point is that GNU/Linux is rightfully called that not because of the zealotry of the people who choose to call it so but because that's what it is!
The nearest we come to a Linus distribution is Debian so I'll quote their home page :
An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux.
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knos
who stole my w?
here here,
utter biological arrogance
I've heard trhe argument before and it's utter toss.
For a start the environment is in constant flux. Our existence in evolutionary time is less than the blink of an eye, We'll be dead and gone by before the universe knos we're here!
er, the environment is in flux
What happens if Microsoft comes out of February with huge amounts of BSD being patched into XP and 2K?
er, XP & 2K get better I guess.
What's the problem? That's what happens when you say "Here's the code, do what you like with it".
That's free software, which kind of makes GPL software not free!
Hmm, that sounds a bit heretical.
that's the funniest comment so far! and I'm prepared to burn karma just to say so!
Playing with the trolls again, eh, DrSkwid?
/usr/local/lib/* by accident!!
well sometimes it's fun
portsupgrade is cool though & it saved my life when I did rm -rf
Acme is a programmers tool and comes as part of plan9 & Inferno
things like click on an include filename and it opens in another pane, plumb an error message and the source file opens in the editor on the line specified in the error message, shell output to a pane, etc. etc.
There's an Acme clone for unix systems called Wily
oh yeah, colour coding is for wimps
Does updating Mozilla update these other plugins?
maybe you can't read
portsupgrade upgrades EVERYTHING YOU'VE INSTALLED
oh yeah, btw where can I download Internet Explorer for FreebSD?
You just don't like a winner
oh, here we go, you're getting irrational now
spout your filthy leftist dogma at anyone who's willing to listen.
er, this is a FreeBSD thread
You, sir, are worse than Hitler.
leftist and Nazi, I'm doing pretty well esp. as I despise both camps despite being lumped in with the left for my anti-capitalist views (except for my pension plan & healthcare of course!)
Package management is not a good argument. If that were the case I think windows installer is better.
:)
:)
When I go to windows.update does it upgrade all the 3rd party software I've installed ?
For instance, I cvsup on a daily cron and once a week run portupgrade. It upgrades ALL the software I install via the ports tree such as KDE, Opera, Mozilla. I'd be impressed if windows update upgraded my mozilla for me but as we know, it doesn't.
I tried Mandrake for a week or so and found the Mandrake RPM updater a pain to use, not least of which was the fact that I had to point and click things. I'm not really knocking Mandrake, Penguins for Courses n that but portupgrade is a vast improvement.
As for audio cards, well here's the list
I do realise that your critique is directed at the article & not FreeBSD
One of FBSD's advantages is it's centralised nature. You can contribute & use as you see fit but there is one definitive point of contact which does make a difference when it comes to finding answers to questions.
Linux is in the light and I like the GPL and the politics that goes with it. I don't think I would ever seriously tell anyone to migrate from Linux to FreeBSD but if you are a bit of a geek you'll try them all anyway!
If you want me to evangelise I'll reply plan9
yes I am aware of that
doesn't make it any more grammatically correct just because some swami churned it out
gosh, how foolish I am to enjoy word play
stupid "MS will give you $200 if you forward this mail" twats
great, twat is one of my favourite words.
not only an insult but the sound of it is like thwak or smack
Mind you, I wasn't so keen when I called my dad one when I was 5.
Asshole or jerk just doesn't have the same twang to it.
I am become darth, the destroyer of grammar
y the troll thing got me wondering too
I've had two in two days that patently aren't
must've pissed someone off
I don't care though, I'm in the 45-50 cap zone anyway.
Sure Debian might have the upgrading problem sorted out
(but actually I doubt it's as good tbh but that's pure speculation)
but the other distro's don't.
The java thing is annoying for me as I've got a project waiting for a java applet and I can't get konq to use java.
For me FreeBSD brings me consistency and ease of use. Linux has the light but so what, strength to your Penguin. I moved from slackware to FreeBSD (sadly via NT 3.5-4!). I tried Debian but didn't get along with it. My real OS of choice is plan9 but I won't go on.
cripes, go drop an E and cheer the fuck up
at last!!!1
now no fucking about with linux emulated Java
maybe now I can get java in Konqueror to work
and I know it's not new but maybe you linux heads might've missed it.
FreeBSD now has a third party script that will auto-update any ports you've installed.
cvs update to the lates ports list and run portupgrade -ra and ALL of your port instaleld software will be updated to the latest version and dependencies resolved and reset (and a tool pkgdb will do some pre upgrade checks)
It's great. I'm going on about it because I'm so impressed with it.
FreeBSD rocks
Someone tell me how to install this over a network, please.
you need two floppies
kern.flp and mfsroot.flp
boot with them and choose a few menu items and it's off
all detailed at the freeBSD homepages of course
woohoo my first Troll
Shame I wasn't, even!
it's frikkin true. I spent 2 months on the farm where the nearest neighbour was 2 miles & the supermarket was 100!
thankfully fuel tax isn't as insane as the uk (80%!)
M
er, Sony & Verant
I haven't defined GNU/Linux as an "Operating System" in any of my posts.
All I've said is that GNU/Linux is the name of somethign and that to use that name in documents is not zealotry.
I'm pretty sure the Dover President would use the phrase "Dover machinery is used make Kellogs Rice Krispies" in any documentation for public consumption rather than "Dover machinery makes toasted rice cereal".
GNU/Linux is called GNU/Linux get over it everybody!
the wonderful irony is that I really couldn't care less wtf. you call it. I don't even use Linux let alone get hot under the collar about it
:)
I'll say it again seeing as everyone has their thumb up their ass and can't read.
The mag talks of a product called GNU/Linux.
Debian GNU/Linux is the name Debian give their distribution.
This is much the same as BMW Williams (a car built by Williams but powered by BMW) or Jordan Honda (a car built by Jordan but powered by Honda) or Penske Chevrolet (some American effort).
No one would consider for one moment that anyone at Honda was being a zealot when they insisted Jordan used the Honda bit in the name of that car. And likewise to call someone a zealot for calling Gnu/Linux Gnu/Linux is plain ridiculous.
Thanks for the karma that this thread has earned me but I really don't need it
good call, I'm going to use my karma to move it to +2 :
Every OS distribution I've seen that includes the Linux kernel is a GNU System, because it incorporates pretty much all of the software that resulted from Project GNU and can't do much of anything without it. If it's so easy to assemble an OS using Linux that isn't a GNU System, then out of all the ingrates who resent the knowledge that they're currently running a GNU System done anything about it?
video games in the 80's used to come in table versions too
we had a table version of Missile Command in our pub.
was great. I used to get the piezo sparker and clock credits up on it and play all day
(the machine was provided by a video game rental company and we didn't have the keys)
That still isn't the point. The point is that GNU/Linux is rightfully called that not because of the zealotry of the people who choose to call it so but because that's what it is!
/. puts arbitrary spaces in long words to prevent trolls from "upsetting" the layout of the comments page
this breaks plain text urls and it is often better to include the href
of course now trolls can put an href with innocent text and it goes to goatse
the new [domain.com] suffix to urls entry is ok but of course trolls quickly noticed that you can put
http://www.yahoo.com/redirector?http://goatse
and it shows up as [yahoo.com]
(just an example - it doesn't actually redirect)
it's a never ending arms race for sure!
The nearest we come to a Linus distribution is Debian so I'll quote their home page :
An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. Debian uses the Linux kernel (the core of an operating system), but most of the basic OS tools come from the GNU project; hence the name GNU/Linux.