The thing that turned me off Digg was the lack of "see replies to my posts"
I like Digg's article mix and it's one of my clicks when I'm bored but the discussion isn't really there. My opinions are great and all that but what I want is responses. Some of the best posts I read are the ones telling me what's wrong in my own. Being challenged is one of the ways to learn, and often when one does some background research into one's opinions one finds that the world has changed since you formed the opinion or you were wrong all along.
Digg just doesn't have it.
plus the layout screws up when you force large fonts.
In my 15 years a vegan I've learned to stay away from absolutes, they are no help.
I've had plenty of discussion, usually with hostiles. In the end, if the feedback I have had from people is correct, my actions have spoken louder than my words.
Incidentally, the fruit/vegetable distinction was coined for the purposes of tax avoidance, not really a botanical ditinction. Celery & potatoes hardly seem related.
As I have mentioned, personally I don't argue the semantics of human non-human etc., it's just not important for the purpose of that discussion and, like you said, unreasonable.
I don't know where your stereotyping as "loon" and "frothing at the mouth" was born. I am neither insane nor frothing (though I'm not a member of PETA so perhaps I don't count).
For me, the matter for discussion is "should one act ethically" rather than determining the distinction between species and how I should behave toward each species accordingly.
One oft repeated responses is "society didn't used to consider negroes as ethically important as whites" and, as such, I don't really worry about the "10,000 people can't be wrong" premise. Another is to invoke Godwin and say "How many people were at the Nurmeburg rallies?", 60,000,000 dead was the legacy of that.
Anyway, back to the point.
If one wants to communicate an idea, one needs to use the language of the person one is trying to communicate it to. Personally, I try not to be distracted by the fallacy in the question (though I have here but that is because it is the distraction under discussion rather than the actual question).
asking someone "should animals be treated differently to humans" implies (as you noticed) that humans and animals are distinct entities.
Thus, you are loading the question by making that distinction yourself.
The person who doesn't make the distinction can't honestly answer the question because it doesn't make logical sense, even though they know what you mean. As such they can only correct the falacious premise in the question.
Which makes "But humans *are* animals" the answer, even though that is not what was asked.
The question then becomes : "Should one behave ethically?"
"Why do you think animals should be treated more ethically?" is what is called a loaded question.
Would you berate someone if you asked them "Would you prefer to be raped anally or orally?" and they answered "I'd prefer not to be raped at all" flothing [sic] or otherwise ?
This is a country where one designates a hand specially for wiping the shit from one's arsehole.
Where workmen wear their raggidiest clothes because tourists are more likely to hand them a year's wages through their tour bus window.
Where people who can't afford a crash helment make replicas out of paper so they can ride motorbikes without being stopped by the police for not wearing a crash helmet.
Where corruption is totally rife, cops "arrest" white people and threaten them with planted drugs to extort money.
etc. etc.
Laptops for every Indian Child is a riduclous premise.
And though it I had the introduction to the excellent Scheme In A Grid
DSL recently had a "Donate a Dollar" fundraising drive. I don't know how much money they made but I gave them a $. Who says you can't make monet from free software !
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It's worth remembering that the U.S. changed president during that episode and that the presidents came from different political parties.
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Can I keep doing my part using plain text ?
Dude, this is /. it is best to assume NO-ONE is a lawyer, even if they say they are !
FYI. I went to comprehensive school.
> Just look at Oblivion, and that's an american RPG!
I have played Oblivion, but I'm not sure if you are lauding it or lampooning it. I wasn't impressed with it tbh.
The webmaster who maintains cnn.com
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not that they are worth reading
The thing that turned me off Digg was the lack of "see replies to my posts"
I like Digg's article mix and it's one of my clicks when I'm bored but the discussion isn't really there. My opinions are great and all that but what I want is responses. Some of the best posts I read are the ones telling me what's wrong in my own. Being challenged is one of the ways to learn, and often when one does some background research into one's opinions one finds that the world has changed since you formed the opinion or you were wrong all along.
Digg just doesn't have it.
plus the layout screws up when you force large fonts.
Have you played Geometry Wars on the 360 ?
g ames.shtml
Your opinion is just so generally wrong =)
Perhaps there are only FPS games WHERE YOU LOOK.
This lot are even free :
http://www.megagames.com/news/html/freegames/free
I think you pegged it best.
In my 15 years a vegan I've learned to stay away from absolutes, they are no help.
I've had plenty of discussion, usually with hostiles. In the end, if the feedback I have had from people is correct, my actions have spoken louder than my words.
Incidentally, the fruit/vegetable distinction was coined for the purposes of tax avoidance, not really a botanical ditinction. Celery & potatoes hardly seem related.
As I have mentioned, personally I don't argue the semantics of human non-human etc., it's just not important for the purpose of that discussion and, like you said, unreasonable.
I don't know where your stereotyping as "loon" and "frothing at the mouth" was born.
I am neither insane nor frothing (though I'm not a member of PETA so perhaps I don't count).
For me, the matter for discussion is "should one act ethically" rather than determining the distinction between species and how I should behave toward each species accordingly.
One oft repeated responses is "society didn't used to consider negroes as ethically important as whites" and, as such, I don't really worry about the "10,000 people can't be wrong" premise. Another is to invoke Godwin and say "How many people were at the Nurmeburg rallies?", 60,000,000 dead was the legacy of that.
Anyway, back to the point.
If one wants to communicate an idea, one needs to use the language of the person one is trying to communicate it to. Personally, I try not to be distracted by the fallacy in the question (though I have here but that is because it is the distraction under discussion rather than the actual question).
I'm trying to draw focus on why the problem even occurs. When I am asked the question I have got past the "humans are animals" distraction.
try "When should I act without ethics?"
To me "For cheap shoes and meat" is not a good enough answer.
asking someone "should animals be treated differently to humans"
implies (as you noticed) that humans and animals are distinct entities.
Thus, you are loading the question by making that distinction yourself.
The person who doesn't make the distinction can't honestly answer the question because it doesn't make logical sense, even though they know what you mean. As such they can only correct the falacious premise in the question.
Which makes "But humans *are* animals" the answer, even though that is not what was asked.
The question then becomes : "Should one behave ethically?"
To which the answer is "that's up to you".
"Why do you think animals should be treated more ethically?" is what is called a loaded question.
Would you berate someone if you asked them "Would you prefer to be raped anally or orally?" and they answered "I'd prefer not to be raped at all" flothing [sic] or otherwise ?
> Can you imagine what the software landscape would look like today without the GPL
sure :
http://www.freebsd.org/
This is a country where one designates a hand specially for wiping the shit from one's arsehole.
Where workmen wear their raggidiest clothes because tourists are more likely to hand them a year's wages through their tour bus window.
Where people who can't afford a crash helment make replicas out of paper so they can ride motorbikes without being stopped by the police for not wearing a crash helmet.
Where corruption is totally rife, cops "arrest" white people and threaten them with planted drugs to extort money.
etc. etc.
Laptops for every Indian Child is a riduclous premise.
Having admin privileges exist in-band is asking for trouble really.
IRC server's should have out of band control.
We don't even have anyone with OPs in "our" freenode channel.
The DSL I have has Firefox.
And though it I had the introduction to the excellent Scheme In A Grid
DSL recently had a "Donate a Dollar" fundraising drive. I don't know how much money they made but I gave them a $. Who says you can't make monet from free software !
> I think we are going to see more linux native games anyway.
great, now I'll need a Windows AND a Linux box for gaming. FFS
> Last I checked its been quite a long while since there was a worm that shutdown large networks all over the world.
Didn't you know? Vista has been delayed.
Don't worry, normal service will resume Q1 2007.
> Just like Halo 2, one of the most anticipated games was out years late and really sucked.
Come on, anyone who has played videogames can tell you the golden rule :
NEVER believe game hype until YOU have played it.
Halo 2 is not a sucky game. Games usually feel sucky when you have spent months creaming in your pants about them.
> "The company pledges not to sell or rent personal information, or access to it."
...."
That should read "The current management of the company pledges not to sell or rent
http://www.paybytouch.com/privacy_policy.html
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Notice the OR, they can change their TOS any time and promise to change their TOS page accordingly.
Pay By Touch may share your personal information with companies that Pay By Touch contracts to privately and securely verify your identity, process your payments, cash your checks, and prevent fraudulent use of the Pay By Touch services.
We all know how secure third parties are.
"In some cases Pay By Touch may provide algorithm or sensor vendor partners who have entered into confidentiality agreements with Pay By Touch with anonymous biometric scans. These companies use the anonymous test scans only to develop, test, modify and improve the performance of their hardware and software products related to the Pay By Touch services. These test scans are not linked to any personally-identifiable identity or account information."
Er, they are fingerprints, how anonymous are fingerprints!
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Great, that's the feel good factor !
hospital grade latex gloves do not prevent fingerprint leakage, no matter what TV says
I set Minimum Font size : 16
It screws up a few sites (such as Digg) but on the whole, it makes the web much more readable.