My personal belief is that copyright is a good thing and should also apply to digital material (no difference, other than that it is easier to copy). Someone providing something for others to enjoy and use should have the right to claim compensation from the users. I also believe that the record companies have created this situation with their own greed. I strongly believe that most people are fairly honest and would prefer to be paying customers for music and film. The problem is the gap between what producers claim and what the users deem a fair price.
If the price for a music album on MP3 was set to say $6 (compared to $20-$30 for a CD) then I think that a lot more people would buy the album and also like the feeling of supporting the artist and being honest.
Of course there are people that never will pay, but does it really matter? In any system there are parasites. A system with decent pricing would have removed most of the problem if the record companies had realised it in time. Now it can be tooooo late. It would be nice to see them try though. The group (was it Radiohead?) that "sold" the album for your own price sort of indicated that a lot of people are honest when they can afford it. BR/Bus
Since the Ideometer effect only should apply to believers it is interesting to see that also sceptics sometimes get a reaction (when searching for wires at least). See also as described in this link http://skepdic.com/comments/dowsecom.html/ that there are compressions that affect your stance and the rods.
Ideometer and compression could possibly be the explanations that explain how both believers and sceptics can get a reaction from the rods.
Granted that my comment on electric or other type of field was a guess and nothing more. I do not have access to instruments to perform such a test.
Regarding Ideomotor effect I do not doubt that it exists, the mind and the subconscious is a fascinating thing.
"honest, intelligent people can unconsciously engage in muscular activity that is consistent with their expectations"
However the statement above does say that the phenomena is according to expectations. That would imply that sceptics to dowsing should not get any result.
I urge any sceptic to try to use two copper rods, bent 90 degrees, held forward, in parallel, slightly downward to keep stable, walk slowly and see what happens (do this in a place where you do not know what is below ground). I think that a fair number of you will experience a phenomena where the rods turn 90 degrees. Since you are a sceptic you should not get a reaction. If you do what is then the reason? It cannot be straghtforward ideomotor but what? Is it some natural biological twitch or?
Regardless of what you think, please try this experiment, at most you will lose an hour of your time if nothing happens. You might get a reaction and that is a fun feeling......
One need not ever "PROVE" something does not exist (it is impossible).
Well, if I interpret that statement. That actually states that dowsing cannot be ruled out.
Pretty much what I've said.......and if that classifies me as a "religious idiot" in your and some other peoples view, then so be it.
I still think that there are things in our world that remain to be explained. If something cannot be proved with the methods we use, this means either of two things; 1) It really does not exist. 2) The methods are not really applicable.
Soon midnight CET (and bedtime) so I thank for the debate with the conclusion that we probably can agree to disagree. Which is fine since this is (in parts) a free world.
Interesting description. Possibly true, possibly a bit shielded towards the sceptics view.
In some cases most certainly true. Religous believers whatever religion are always the worst to convince.
I'll follow the link to see what is said about the subject. But even if I get convinced regarding this topic, I still advocate the general view that, even if something has not yet been proven to exist, this is not a proof to the oposite, that it cannot exist.
And for the open minded that want to go "Ideomotor" and have a fun phenomena experience. Get yourselves a pair of copper angles and try it. Even if it does not prove anything in scientific terms it is a real treat to see it happen (if it does).
I have verified enough for MY OWN beliefs and I do not feel the need to convince the world. Of course I might have fooled myself subconciously but I do not think so.
What is science today, was in many cases ridiculed in the past. Just because we can not explain something today, does not mean it cannot be true.
I honor the sceptics, I do not honor those who are 100% sure something cannot work. History have proven them wrong in some cases. Perhaps not this case, but still.
Interesting to see so many people jump the gun on an issue that they know nothing about.
Dowsing can actually work! I was a sceptic myself before I tried it but I must admit that I was wrong. By using two copper rods bent 90 degrees it is possible to find water streams, metal pipes, wires etc.
Hold the copper rods losely pointing forward and slightly down (just to get them stable).
Approach the item yo want to find in a direction of 90 degrees and walk slowly. When passing the wire or pipe the rods will swing together when you are on top and swing back when passing. Of course this only works if there is not too much junk down there.
I first tried this when practising at the telephone company. We first tried the dowsing and then verified with a more scientific electric tracking equipment (a sender connected to the wires and a receiver used above ground). Since then I have tried it several times just to let people have a laugh. Imagine the jaw dropping when they try it and get a result.
I don't know the theory but an electric field of some sort seems as a fair guess:-)
So my conclusion is, be a sceptic, but be humble enough to admit there are things that are not yet properly explained but still can be true.
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My personal belief is that copyright is a good thing and should also apply to digital material (no difference, other than that it is easier to copy). Someone providing something for others to enjoy and use should have the right to claim compensation from the users.
/Bus
I also believe that the record companies have created this situation with their own greed.
I strongly believe that most people are fairly honest and would prefer to be paying customers for music and film.
The problem is the gap between what producers claim and what the users deem a fair price.
If the price for a music album on MP3 was set to say $6 (compared to $20-$30 for a CD) then I think that a lot more people would buy the album and also like the feeling of supporting the artist and being honest.
Of course there are people that never will pay, but does it really matter? In any system there are parasites. A system with decent pricing would have removed most of the problem if the record companies had realised it in time. Now it can be tooooo late. It would be nice to see them try though. The group (was it Radiohead?) that "sold" the album for your own price sort of indicated that a lot of people are honest when they can afford it.
BR
Since the Ideometer effect only should apply to believers it is interesting to see that also sceptics sometimes get a reaction (when searching for wires at least). See also as described in this link http://skepdic.com/comments/dowsecom.html/ that there are compressions that affect your stance and the rods.
Ideometer and compression could possibly be the explanations that explain how both believers and sceptics can get a reaction from the rods.
Thanks for an interesting debate
Granted that my comment on electric or other type of field was a guess and nothing more. I do not have access to instruments to perform such a test.
Regarding Ideomotor effect I do not doubt that it exists, the mind and the subconscious is a fascinating thing.
"honest, intelligent people can unconsciously engage in muscular activity that is consistent with their expectations"
However the statement above does say that the phenomena is according to expectations. That would imply that sceptics to dowsing should not get any result.
I urge any sceptic to try to use two copper rods, bent 90 degrees, held forward, in parallel, slightly downward to keep stable, walk slowly and see what happens (do this in a place where you do not know what is below ground).
I think that a fair number of you will experience a phenomena where the rods turn 90 degrees. Since you are a sceptic you should not get a reaction. If you do what is then the reason? It cannot be straghtforward ideomotor but what? Is it some natural biological twitch or?
Regardless of what you think, please try this experiment, at most you will lose an hour of your time if nothing happens. You might get a reaction and that is a fun feeling......
One need not ever "PROVE" something does not exist (it is impossible).
Well, if I interpret that statement. That actually states that dowsing cannot be ruled out.
Pretty much what I've said.......and if that classifies me as a "religious idiot" in your and some other peoples view, then so be it.
I still think that there are things in our world that remain to be explained. If something cannot be proved with the methods we use, this means either of two things;
1) It really does not exist.
2) The methods are not really applicable.
Soon midnight CET (and bedtime) so I thank for the debate with the conclusion that we probably can agree to disagree. Which is fine since this is (in parts) a free world.
Interesting description. Possibly true, possibly a bit shielded towards the sceptics view. In some cases most certainly true. Religous believers whatever religion are always the worst to convince.
I'll follow the link to see what is said about the subject. But even if I get convinced regarding this topic, I still advocate the general view that, even if something has not yet been proven to exist, this is not a proof to the oposite, that it cannot exist.
And for the open minded that want to go "Ideomotor" and have a fun phenomena experience. Get yourselves a pair of copper angles and try it. Even if it does not prove anything in scientific terms it is a real treat to see it happen (if it does).
Dear mlwmohawk. Let's look at the issue from another view.
What in your opinion is causing these clearly detectable movements in the copper rods?
Yet another true "I know it all".
I have verified enough for MY OWN beliefs and I do not feel the need to convince the world. Of course I might have fooled myself subconciously but I do not think so.
What is science today, was in many cases ridiculed in the past. Just because we can not explain something today, does not mean it cannot be true.
I honor the sceptics, I do not honor those who are 100% sure something cannot work. History have proven them wrong in some cases. Perhaps not this case, but still.
Interesting to see so many people jump the gun on an issue that they know nothing about. Dowsing can actually work! I was a sceptic myself before I tried it but I must admit that I was wrong. By using two copper rods bent 90 degrees it is possible to find water streams, metal pipes, wires etc. :-)
Hold the copper rods losely pointing forward and slightly down (just to get them stable). Approach the item yo want to find in a direction of 90 degrees and walk slowly. When passing the wire or pipe the rods will swing together when you are on top and swing back when passing. Of course this only works if there is not too much junk down there.
I first tried this when practising at the telephone company. We first tried the dowsing and then verified with a more scientific electric tracking equipment (a sender connected to the wires and a receiver used above ground). Since then I have tried it several times just to let people have a laugh. Imagine the jaw dropping when they try it and get a result. I don't know the theory but an electric field of some sort seems as a fair guess
So my conclusion is, be a sceptic, but be humble enough to admit there are things that are not yet properly explained but still can be true.