apt-get/dpkg does not use file dependancies. You won't get error messages complaining about a file missing like you would from RPM. Instead it relies on package versions. If you compile something your self and don't make it into a package, apt-get/dpkg has no way of knowing about the files or what version they are. If you installed it in/usr/local then you shouldn't have to worry since debian policy dictates that no packages in the distro can put files in/usr/local unless they are compiled on the local system. Since the default path statement lists/usr/local/bin first you'll be using the binaries you compilied instead of those that came in the package. As for kernels, there is a neat little util called 'make-kpkg' that helps you build kernel packages to install so you system knows all about what kernels you have installed. It also makes removing an old kernel a breese and warns you when you try to do something dangerous (like install new kernel modules over the ones you are using).
Add to all this the fact that debian/unstable usually has the latest version packaged and backporting is soon going to be very simple (Something called Build-Dependancies are being worked in so that the system will automatically download and install the packages needed for building the package -- think BSD/ports) and you will find it easy to keep what ever packages you want up to date.
Of course some of these things (like dropping file dependancies and reserving/usr/local for local binaries) would have to be incorporated into any system that wanted to get the full benifit of apt. Thats why I use debian. Makes keeping my server up to date and keeping up with security fixes a breeze.
Think on this for a second though. If God is as incomprehensible and as unique as he says he is then it is possible that he is outside the relm of human logic. Then it doesn't matter what we think or can "prove" we will still be wrong because we can't understand the data needed to make a reasonable judgement.
Just a thought..
Re:No I'm not. It's right there on your head!
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IIRC the USPTO has been making moves to make it harder for anyone to dispute a patent or copyright in the court. Not too long ago they asked congress to change the rules so not only did you have to show prior "art" but you had to show that the patent was "injuriously damaging" to your business. This would make it almost impossible to overturn a USPTO decision. I doubt that the patent office is very fond of the court system because they are often called into question over their decisions and have to defend themselves.
My IS loves M$ products too. Maybe this will make them think.... Naaww, now they will finally invest in a better Anti-Virus system. Probably McAfeee Blech!
Just taking some time to read the linux-kernel list is very heartening. The features being put into e3fs and the 2.3 series kernel are leaps and bounds above what we have today. The fact is we are progressing on all fronts and as long a we keep up the momentum not even moutains of FUD from M$ will be able to stop it.
Is privacy a right?-- Yes and No
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Your are right that privacy for a kid is not absolute but IMHO it is still a right. Humans naturally like to have things that they call theirs. For me I know it was my room. I defended my right to be alone in my room constantly aginst my brothers. My parents would usually let me be alone in my room and not bother me unless they had some reason to belive that I was doing something I shouldn't have been. They never went through my stuff (at least no that I know of) when I wasn't there. I felt safe in keeping things there and leaving stuff I considered personal around my room. I doubt I would have felt safe if I knew that my parents would just randomly go through everything I owned. It wouldn't have prevented me form doing things I didn't want my parents and I probably would have trusted them less. So when I got in trouble they wouldn't have been on my list of people to ask for help.
I think that trust is a two way street. Many of my friends rejected their parents advice simply because they didn't trust them. I want my kids to trust me and know that I trust them. Should they ever break that trust there would be consquenses but the most important thing would be to get that trust back. I think that if parent's were to be more open with their kids and try to be less dogmatic with them their relationships would be much stronger.
There will always be times you have to make "executive judgements" but the less you have to do that the better. If you parenting is more lecturing than heart to heart conversation you are bound to have problems.
Truely you are blessed to have such parents. My parents, as cool as they are, had the tendency to assume that I understood what was expected of me. Sure I got talks about sex, drugs, and such but they were never difinitve. When I had to face it for the first time all alone I was really struggling for the "right" decision. Then I wished my parents had been more open and not just "we never did it so you shouldn't have any problem if you do just as we did."
I hope more parents can learn to talk with their kids and help them learn to make rational decisions based on logic and not pat answers.
"I Think death is too good for them. They should have been made to suffer for a long, long time. Maybe death eventually, but not a quick injection or electrical jolt."
Are you listening to what you are saying? Do you think that tourturing them is going to fix any of the damage that has been. It certainly won't bring back any of the people that they killed. It might make you feel better but at what cost?
Another thing to consider is the killers themselves. Why do you autoamtically assume that they are "Monsters"? Is it because you don't want to even imagine that they could be similar to you in any way? I would suggest that all this violent talk towards them will do nothing for anyone and is just making the tragedy all the sader
While I have never used any type of drug (illegal) many of my friends have. One of the things I have noticed is with LSD and other Psycoactive drugs you can never tell what they are going to do with you mind. A girl I knew took LSD once and is now in a mental hospital after going totally insane. It could be argued that that is a rare case but the point is it could happen. I view drug use as a sort of playing russian roulette with the brain. Sure you could do all sorts of drugs and end up fine and maybe even better off then if you never did. On the other hand you could get screwed up the first, fith, or 20th time you took them. Not to mention the amount of money you can soak into them and the possibility of going to jail. To me it just isn't worth it in the end. (Besides that I am a christian and don't believe drugs fit in with my purpose in life any way)
In the Business(read Suit) world they believe you get what you pay for, literaly. If you don't have to pay for it then it must not be worth/or as good as something you pay for. They also pay for support which is pretty big for them too.
A couple points to consider: 1. While its true that kids who grow up with a computer to play with will be better suited to program and design that doesn't mean they will. At the Univerity where I attend probably 80 or so guys have a computer and of those maybe 20 or so really go beyond the point and click part proficently. 2. Hacking is a mentality not an action. Out of the 15 or so that programers here about 4 or 5 do it because they like to push the edge. It's not for money (though some of them make it) it's brain stimulation. They are creative, tend to make up there own way of doing it even if there is a proven way already, and sometimes just because they want to learn. To me that is different then sitting down and using precanned VB or such. While that will get the job done it doesn't require the creativity that I have seen in some of my hacker friends (I use *Hacker* in a prog/mentality sense). 3. You can be Smart and not know anything about computers. Smart == know_eveything, its about being able to learn. Many smart people may not know how to use a computer proficently and that will change but many of the rest will use the point and click (it works thats all I know) mentality. Too bad. 4. Recongnize the difference between "easier to use" and "dumbed down so anyone can use it"
I'm sure we would all like to see that it's just that we have all lost any hope in something like that ever happening. It's not arrogance, it's total disbelief!
INAL but according to my understanding of the copyright code if you work for a company producing code you don't own it, the company does. For instance if you were to leave company A and go to work for company B you couldn't just take the code with you and sell it to them because company A owns it. This would be considered theft just the same as if you cracked their server and took the source. For this reason some employees when they go to another company have to work in a different department (ie. Wallmart and Amonzon.com agreement). It has even been cloudy for the Judical system with cases of workers getting arrested for trying to sell a program the work on the side at their job. Even though the Program was not for work it still was developed at the job and was therefor owned by the company.
Maybe for Redhat it's about money but not for RMS. For him its a political statement (like it or not). RMS started the FSF for political not money making reasons and that is where he is coming from. Why do you think Debian is only $3 or what ever you can get it from Cheapbytes. Just my $.02
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apt-get/dpkg does not use file dependancies. You won't get error messages complaining about a file missing like you would from RPM. Instead it relies on package versions. If you compile something your self and don't make it into a package, apt-get/dpkg has no way of knowing about the files or what version they are. If you installed it in /usr/local then you shouldn't have to worry since debian policy dictates that no packages in the distro can put files in /usr/local unless they are compiled on the local system. Since the default path statement lists /usr/local/bin first you'll be using the binaries you compilied instead of those that came in the package. As for kernels, there is a neat little util called 'make-kpkg' that helps you build kernel packages to install so you system knows all about what kernels you have installed. It also makes removing an old kernel a breese and warns you when you try to do something dangerous (like install new kernel modules over the ones you are using).
Add to all this the fact that debian/unstable usually has the latest version packaged and backporting is soon going to be very simple (Something called Build-Dependancies are being worked in so that the system will automatically download and install the packages needed for building the package -- think BSD/ports) and you will find it easy to keep what ever packages you want up to date.
Of course some of these things (like dropping file dependancies and reserving /usr/local for local binaries) would have to be incorporated into any system that wanted to get the full benifit of apt. Thats why I use debian. Makes keeping my server up to date and keeping up with security fixes a breeze.
Yeah.. I agree.. its all gibberish.
Think on this for a second though. If God is as incomprehensible and as unique as he says he is then it is possible that he is outside the relm of human logic. Then it doesn't matter what we think or can "prove" we will still be wrong because we can't understand the data needed to make a reasonable judgement.
Just a thought..
IIRC the USPTO has been making moves to make it harder for anyone to dispute a patent or copyright in the court. Not too long ago they asked congress to change the rules so not only did you have to show prior "art" but you had to show that the patent was "injuriously damaging" to your business. This would make it almost impossible to overturn a USPTO decision. I doubt that the patent office is very fond of the court system because they are often called into question over their decisions and have to defend themselves.
Just my $0.02..
My IS loves M$ products too. Maybe this will make them think.... Naaww, now they will finally invest in a better Anti-Virus system. Probably McAfeee Blech!
Just taking some time to read the linux-kernel list is very heartening. The features being put into e3fs and the 2.3 series kernel are leaps and bounds above what we have today. The fact is we are progressing on all fronts and as long a we keep up the momentum not even moutains of FUD from M$ will be able to stop it.
Your are right that privacy for a kid is not absolute but IMHO it is still a right. Humans naturally like to have things that they call theirs. For me I know it was my room. I defended my right to be alone in my room constantly aginst my brothers. My parents would usually let me be alone in my room and not bother me unless they had some reason to belive that I was doing something I shouldn't have been. They never went through my stuff (at least no that I know of) when I wasn't there. I felt safe in keeping things there and leaving stuff I considered personal around my room. I doubt I would have felt safe if I knew that my parents would just randomly go through everything I owned. It wouldn't have prevented me form doing things I didn't want my parents and I probably would have trusted them less. So when I got in trouble they wouldn't have been on my list of people to ask for help.
I think that trust is a two way street. Many of my friends rejected their parents advice simply because they didn't trust them. I want my kids to trust me and know that I trust them. Should they ever break that trust there would be consquenses but the most important thing would be to get that trust back. I think that if parent's were to be more open with their kids and try to be less dogmatic with them their relationships would be much stronger.
There will always be times you have to make "executive judgements" but the less you have to do that the better. If you parenting is more lecturing than heart to heart conversation you are bound to have problems.
Truely you are blessed to have such parents. My parents, as cool as they are, had the tendency to assume that I understood what was expected of me. Sure I got talks about sex, drugs, and such but they were never difinitve. When I had to face it for the first time all alone I was really struggling for the "right" decision. Then I wished my parents had been more open and not just "we never did it so you shouldn't have any problem if you do just as we did."
I hope more parents can learn to talk with their kids and help them learn to make rational decisions based on logic and not pat answers.
"I Think death is too good for them. They should have been made to suffer for a long, long time. Maybe death eventually, but not a quick injection or electrical jolt."
Are you listening to what you are saying? Do you think that tourturing them is going to fix any of the damage that has been. It certainly won't bring back any of the people that they killed. It might make you feel better but at what cost?
Another thing to consider is the killers themselves. Why do you autoamtically assume that they are "Monsters"? Is it because you don't want to even imagine that they could be similar to you in any way? I would suggest that all this violent talk towards them will do nothing for anyone and is just making the tragedy all the sader
While I have never used any type of drug (illegal) many of my friends have. One of the things I have noticed is with LSD and other Psycoactive drugs you can never tell what they are going to do with you mind. A girl I knew took LSD once and is now in a mental hospital after going totally insane. It could be argued that that is a rare case but the point is it could happen. I view drug use as a sort of playing russian roulette with the brain. Sure you could do all sorts of drugs and end up fine and maybe even better off then if you never did. On the other hand you could get screwed up the first, fith, or 20th time you took them. Not to mention the amount of money you can soak into them and the possibility of going to jail. To me it just isn't worth it in the end.
(Besides that I am a christian and don't believe drugs fit in with my purpose in life any way)
In the Business(read Suit) world they believe you get what you pay for, literaly. If you don't have to pay for it then it must not be worth/or as good as something you pay for. They also pay for support which is pretty big for them too.
A couple points to consider:
1. While its true that kids who grow up with a computer to play with will be better suited to program and design that doesn't mean they will. At the Univerity where I attend probably 80 or so guys have a computer and of those maybe 20 or so really go beyond the point and click part proficently.
2. Hacking is a mentality not an action. Out of the 15 or so that programers here about 4 or 5 do it because they like to push the edge. It's not for money (though some of them make it) it's brain stimulation. They are creative, tend to make up there own way of doing it even if there is a proven way already, and sometimes just because they want to learn. To me that is different then sitting down and using precanned VB or such. While that will get the job done it doesn't require the creativity that I have seen in some of my hacker friends (I use *Hacker* in a prog/mentality sense).
3. You can be Smart and not know anything about computers. Smart == know_eveything, its about being able to learn. Many smart people may not know how to use a computer proficently and that will change but many of the rest will use the point and click (it works thats all I know) mentality. Too bad.
4. Recongnize the difference between "easier to use" and "dumbed down so anyone can use it"
I'm sure we would all like to see that it's just that we have all lost any hope in something like that ever happening. It's not arrogance, it's total disbelief!
INAL but according to my understanding of the copyright code if you work for a company producing code you don't own it, the company does. For instance if you were to leave company A and go to work for company B you couldn't just take the code with you and sell it to them because company A owns it. This would be considered theft just the same as if you cracked their server and took the source. For this reason some employees when they go to another company have to work in a different department (ie. Wallmart and Amonzon.com agreement). It has even been cloudy for the Judical system with cases of workers getting arrested for trying to sell a program the work on the side at their job. Even though the Program was not for work it still was developed at the job and was therefor owned by the company.
Yes =)
I haven't had a laugh like that in a while,
Thanks Man
Alan makes some very good points about Clinton's Motives and the potential of US action in the Balkens. Any one with interest should read this.
Do you have any proof for that. Nothing aginst you but there is so much crap running around I would like to see someone back up what they are saying.
Maybe for Redhat it's about money but not for RMS. For him its a political statement (like it or not).
RMS started the FSF for political not money making reasons and that is where he is coming from. Why do you think Debian is only $3 or what ever you can get it from Cheapbytes.
Just my $.02