Chromium is open-source. Whether or not it's platform-independent has nothing to do with it. Because it's open-source, continuity is no longer restricted to Google's whims. If they drop it tomorrow, popular demand will keep the project alive.
"stop calling Chrome open source, it isn't, chromium is" - other than the name, what's different? And please don't tell me "Chrome's more polished". That's only because Chromium has already entered another stage of development. Seriously, if Google wasn't committed to open-source, why would they even bother putting so many resources into Chromium? And one thing everybody who's asking "why didn't they release all three versions simultaneously?" are forgetting is that Chrome was a top-secret, need-to-know basis type of project in Google. They couldn't allocate the amount of resources they'd have liked to because of all the secrecy. This is no longer true. And now since the Windows launch is such a success, people will be eagerly waiting to see if they can pull the same thing off in Mac/Linux.
I think people are going to be very pleasantly surprised with Chrome's Linux launch - I wouldn't be surprised if it spurs Linux development and interest. Having seen their dedication to the Windows version, I KNOW they will release a stupendous version in the other platforms.
The whole point of working on the three separate versions separately (Win, Mac, Linux) was that each version would fully utilize the strengths of the target platform. They weren't interested in compromising this in the interests of having similar codebases for all three versions.
Most of the code is platform independent, but a large part is intentionally not.
Did you even read TFA (sorry, silly question)? The author clearly states that the codebase is pretty clean and hacker-friendly. He got it to build in 15 minutes, first attemp.
Having to download a large amount of data doesn't make it 'a huge mess'.
Adding to that, why do people feel that only one problem must be treated by everybody? Sure, Cancer, AIDS or poverty are causes that need support, but just because I choose to donate to animal welfare instead, what gives you the right to condemn me?
I (read anybody) am only doing good by helping any such cause. Would you have blinked an eyelid if they'd announced a 3 Billion dollar spend on upgrading their infrastructure? But now that they're also helping people in the process of making money, they're suddenly EVIIIIIIIIL!
Obviously it's Google's responsibility to work for your welfare! How selfish and uncaring of them to think outside of helping people with the richest government of the world!
And it's not like your hospital can afford anything more than a 26.4 kbps connection! It's not like those millions of African (and Indian, and Bangladeshi... ) peasant farmers really need any more help than they already have to get out of poverty!
Each tab in a process is huge for me. Please don't presume that just because you've never faced a problem with one tab misbehaving, eating up resources and crashing the browser, nobody else does either.
I don't give a flying fuck whether or not some browser in the past had tabs/windows as separate processes or not. What I care about is the fact that the best browser, at any point in time failed to have all the features I wanted. Chrome's coming damn close.
Accidentally opening a PDF in the browser still almost brings Chrome to its knees (eventually it regains control and asks me if I want to close the Adobe PLUGIN (as opposed to just telling me that it's fucked and wants to restart, or that the tab needs to be closed). Considering that this is a first week beta, I'm awesomely impressed! I'm sure over time Chrome will evolve into a pretty slick and mature browser. I think Google has outdone itself this time.
Ok, you're right - a hash is practically useless. What about a hex/assembly comparison? A seasoned coder (or groups of coders) will be able to sift through the differences that crop up (CPU optimizations, etc.), and highlight code that seems out of place in the Google version?
I agree with you, however, after a point you just have to trust them, or not bother using their products.
Actually, it boils down to this as a philosophical question: Is God omnipotent? If yes, all other - ALL other questions go out the window.
If God was all powerful, he's above logic, math, science, etc. You can't provide any logic that 'disproves' his existence, simply because what you regard as constant rules (logic) are merely functions of your brains processing. Who put together your brain? How did you reach the conclusion that logic is absolute? See the light
BTW, I'm an atheist. Considering the above has no effect on my belief system, because I've never observed evidence of a supreme being. Everything that others have used to convince me regarding God's existence has been easily explained away. So why should I believe in a God?
I just realized something interesting - one way spammers could bypass the Gmail spam filter is to repeatedly mark their mails as 'Not spam' in (guessing here) a few hundred of accounts in their control via a script.
That would pretty much result in that email not being regarded as spam by Gmail, I would think.
Think about it - MS is big enough to start two streams of development - one could be their primary, 'legitimate' OS, carrying on their legacy code.
The other could be the young whipper-snapper they need to ensure that they have a viable contender in the future - a sort of 'concept' OS. This would have completely different management, and very little in common with the existing development team. This would be designed the way they would've, if they could (not taking into account legacy apps, using best practices instead of "but that's the way it worked in the previous version", etc).
Once the tech community gave this new OS their blessings, they could start building more and more interoperability with the fat-Windows into it - so that existing users can communicate with this OS (which would be trivial). In 5-10 years, it would be much easier to switch primary development to this OS, once it has been well-established in the geek-market.
how do you think India's eco system woud benefit if corporations didn't have to spend all the money on licenses, but instead used that money to develop FOSS and develop new software?
Many are choosing to use FOSS to develop software and run their businesses. Nothing stops them from doing so, least of all MS. Any company using MS products is doing so of their own free will (or call it misguided reasoning if you want).
MS isn't stealing from these companies, or forcing them to use their products. They have every right to earn money from these companies. The net effect for these companies is profit. Would there be more profit if they used FOSS? Possibly, but it would be speculation to say so.
However, MS, and companies running MS products are employing millions - and that benefits India.
I find it interesting that you say that "Microsoft drains money from the economy of every country in the world. Free software allows that money to be put to better use."
I come from a developing country - India. Microsoft is a big hero here for the massive number of jobs it creates here. The number of consumers of MS products in India isn't that high (and is largely restricted to corporates), and the net effect is of massive gain for the country (the IT industry is one of the largest and most profitable sources of GDP for the country).
In addition, any corporation (or consumer) in India who chooses to purchase a MS product is exercising their right to purchase. They are not being coerced in any way, and many choose to pirate their software, or even go for FOSS (pirating MS products is by far the more popular choice).
I am sorry to hear you are having the same problem,really I am....
I truly wish you luck on your problem,and hope you don't end up like my buddy...
Oh, btw, I have recently installed Ubuntu Hardy Heron, and it's performance has been mind-blowing! It's performing the way I'd expect Vista to have performed, on my hardware! Everything worked out of the box, except my wireless.
If only I could get the goddamed Intel Pro (yeah, that's right) wireless card to work on Linux...
I'm starting to wonder if I should just buy a copy of XP and install it alongside Ubuntu!
Pretty much in the same boat. Got a Core 2 Duo laptop with 2GB RAM, and a GeForce 7400. With every hardware upgrade in the past (this was a brand new laptop), I have been blown away by the significantly better performance. This time, I was disappointed (understatement).
BTW, you mentioned HDD thrashing - I have been pulling my hair trying to figure that one out! I too, have disabled indexing. But for some reason, my HDD always seems to be doing the 100 meter sprint! Out of instinct, I always load up task manager, and am surprised to see that no process is utilizing the CPU! It's nearly enough to drive me insane! I wondered if it was a virus/system process/av/some other software that was doing this. Can't believe it's Vista! BTW, this isn't just some periodic event - it's ALWAYS like this. Otherwise I woulda thought it was prefetching or defragmenting in the background or something.
Sigh. I so wanted Vista to rock. Have been using it since RC1, and have been telling myself that it'll get better. SP1 was a major disappointment - the system's still sluggish as ever. Upgrading to a new version of Windows had been an exciting, funtime for me. Not anymore. If Windows 7 is going to 'build' upon Vista architecture, it would be an even bigger disappointment.
If I'm not mistaken, the cost of writing a driver for Vista for a hardware manufacturer would not be a 'fortune'. The ones that aren't doing so are probably either a)no longer in existence, b)not very competent.
Microsoft paying hardware manufacturers?! That's just absurd! I thought it was incredible that they even supported 95% of the hardware around via Plug-n-Play - just imagine the amount of time/effort/cost involved in ensuring that! I'm sure there is excellent documentation and an efficient API available for manufacturers to create compatible drivers for Vista. What more can they do?
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Chromium is open-source. Whether or not it's platform-independent has nothing to do with it. Because it's open-source, continuity is no longer restricted to Google's whims. If they drop it tomorrow, popular demand will keep the project alive.
"stop calling Chrome open source, it isn't, chromium is" - other than the name, what's different? And please don't tell me "Chrome's more polished". That's only because Chromium has already entered another stage of development. Seriously, if Google wasn't committed to open-source, why would they even bother putting so many resources into Chromium? And one thing everybody who's asking "why didn't they release all three versions simultaneously?" are forgetting is that Chrome was a top-secret, need-to-know basis type of project in Google. They couldn't allocate the amount of resources they'd have liked to because of all the secrecy. This is no longer true. And now since the Windows launch is such a success, people will be eagerly waiting to see if they can pull the same thing off in Mac/Linux.
I think people are going to be very pleasantly surprised with Chrome's Linux launch - I wouldn't be surprised if it spurs Linux development and interest. Having seen their dedication to the Windows version, I KNOW they will release a stupendous version in the other platforms.
The whole point of working on the three separate versions separately (Win, Mac, Linux) was that each version would fully utilize the strengths of the target platform. They weren't interested in compromising this in the interests of having similar codebases for all three versions.
Most of the code is platform independent, but a large part is intentionally not.
Did you even read TFA (sorry, silly question)? The author clearly states that the codebase is pretty clean and hacker-friendly. He got it to build in 15 minutes, first attemp.
Having to download a large amount of data doesn't make it 'a huge mess'.
Adding to that, why do people feel that only one problem must be treated by everybody? Sure, Cancer, AIDS or poverty are causes that need support, but just because I choose to donate to animal welfare instead, what gives you the right to condemn me?
I (read anybody) am only doing good by helping any such cause. Would you have blinked an eyelid if they'd announced a 3 Billion dollar spend on upgrading their infrastructure? But now that they're also helping people in the process of making money, they're suddenly EVIIIIIIIIL!
Obviously it's Google's responsibility to work for your welfare! How selfish and uncaring of them to think outside of helping people with the richest government of the world!
And it's not like your hospital can afford anything more than a 26.4 kbps connection! It's not like those millions of African (and Indian, and Bangladeshi ... ) peasant farmers really need any more help than they already have to get out of poverty!
Oh puh-leez. The reason it's in the TOS is to protect Google from lawsuits. Like they're going to claim your birthday party pictures as theirs.
I'm a bit concerned about that 20 process limit. I hope it's hackable in the registry/configuration somewhere.
Each tab in a process is huge for me. Please don't presume that just because you've never faced a problem with one tab misbehaving, eating up resources and crashing the browser, nobody else does either.
I don't give a flying fuck whether or not some browser in the past had tabs/windows as separate processes or not. What I care about is the fact that the best browser, at any point in time failed to have all the features I wanted. Chrome's coming damn close.
Accidentally opening a PDF in the browser still almost brings Chrome to its knees (eventually it regains control and asks me if I want to close the Adobe PLUGIN (as opposed to just telling me that it's fucked and wants to restart, or that the tab needs to be closed). Considering that this is a first week beta, I'm awesomely impressed! I'm sure over time Chrome will evolve into a pretty slick and mature browser. I think Google has outdone itself this time.
Remember IE 1.0b? Or Netscape 1.0b? Or Safari 1.0b? Or Firefox 1.0b?
(Yes, I'm aware they're building on top off Webkit
Ok, you're right - a hash is practically useless. What about a hex/assembly comparison? A seasoned coder (or groups of coders) will be able to sift through the differences that crop up (CPU optimizations, etc.), and highlight code that seems out of place in the Google version?
I agree with you, however, after a point you just have to trust them, or not bother using their products.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you just compile the source code and compare its hash with the hash of the Google installer?
In addition, notifier breaks (at least for me) if you set the "Always use SSL" option.
Makes sense that they'd want to test out the option before making it default.
Actually, it boils down to this as a philosophical question: Is God omnipotent? If yes, all other - ALL other questions go out the window.
If God was all powerful, he's above logic, math, science, etc. You can't provide any logic that 'disproves' his existence, simply because what you regard as constant rules (logic) are merely functions of your brains processing. Who put together your brain? How did you reach the conclusion that logic is absolute? See the light
BTW, I'm an atheist. Considering the above has no effect on my belief system, because I've never observed evidence of a supreme being. Everything that others have used to convince me regarding God's existence has been easily explained away. So why should I believe in a God?
Scary how you're not modded funny!
Quick! Prism tank rush!
Actually, it's too late - the device has already been activated.
More like, sell, sell, sell!
I must say I'm very disappointed to see a discussion trashing Vista without any mention of Ballmer :(
Some Ballmer bashing please?
I just realized something interesting - one way spammers could bypass the Gmail spam filter is to repeatedly mark their mails as 'Not spam' in (guessing here) a few hundred of accounts in their control via a script.
That would pretty much result in that email not being regarded as spam by Gmail, I would think.
Actually, they can do both.
Think about it - MS is big enough to start two streams of development - one could be their primary, 'legitimate' OS, carrying on their legacy code.
The other could be the young whipper-snapper they need to ensure that they have a viable contender in the future - a sort of 'concept' OS. This would have completely different management, and very little in common with the existing development team. This would be designed the way they would've, if they could (not taking into account legacy apps, using best practices instead of "but that's the way it worked in the previous version", etc).
Once the tech community gave this new OS their blessings, they could start building more and more interoperability with the fat-Windows into it - so that existing users can communicate with this OS (which would be trivial). In 5-10 years, it would be much easier to switch primary development to this OS, once it has been well-established in the geek-market.
Or maybe I'm just missing the point.
how do you think India's eco system woud benefit if corporations didn't have to spend all the money on licenses, but instead used that money to develop FOSS and develop new software?
Many are choosing to use FOSS to develop software and run their businesses. Nothing stops them from doing so, least of all MS. Any company using MS products is doing so of their own free will (or call it misguided reasoning if you want).
MS isn't stealing from these companies, or forcing them to use their products. They have every right to earn money from these companies. The net effect for these companies is profit. Would there be more profit if they used FOSS? Possibly, but it would be speculation to say so.
However, MS, and companies running MS products are employing millions - and that benefits India.
I find it interesting that you say that "Microsoft drains money from the economy of every country in the world. Free software allows that money to be put to better use."
I come from a developing country - India. Microsoft is a big hero here for the massive number of jobs it creates here. The number of consumers of MS products in India isn't that high (and is largely restricted to corporates), and the net effect is of massive gain for the country (the IT industry is one of the largest and most profitable sources of GDP for the country).
In addition, any corporation (or consumer) in India who chooses to purchase a MS product is exercising their right to purchase. They are not being coerced in any way, and many choose to pirate their software, or even go for FOSS (pirating MS products is by far the more popular choice).
Hmm...Will have a look at Xandros. Thx, hf
I am sorry to hear you are having the same problem,really I am. ...
I truly wish you luck on your problem,and hope you don't end up like my buddy ...
Oh, btw, I have recently installed Ubuntu Hardy Heron, and it's performance has been mind-blowing! It's performing the way I'd expect Vista to have performed, on my hardware! Everything worked out of the box, except my wireless.
If only I could get the goddamed Intel Pro (yeah, that's right) wireless card to work on Linux...
I'm starting to wonder if I should just buy a copy of XP and install it alongside Ubuntu!
Amen brother.
Pretty much in the same boat. Got a Core 2 Duo laptop with 2GB RAM, and a GeForce 7400. With every hardware upgrade in the past (this was a brand new laptop), I have been blown away by the significantly better performance. This time, I was disappointed (understatement).
BTW, you mentioned HDD thrashing - I have been pulling my hair trying to figure that one out! I too, have disabled indexing. But for some reason, my HDD always seems to be doing the 100 meter sprint! Out of instinct, I always load up task manager, and am surprised to see that no process is utilizing the CPU! It's nearly enough to drive me insane! I wondered if it was a virus/system process/av/some other software that was doing this. Can't believe it's Vista! BTW, this isn't just some periodic event - it's ALWAYS like this. Otherwise I woulda thought it was prefetching or defragmenting in the background or something.
Sigh. I so wanted Vista to rock. Have been using it since RC1, and have been telling myself that it'll get better. SP1 was a major disappointment - the system's still sluggish as ever. Upgrading to a new version of Windows had been an exciting, funtime for me. Not anymore. If Windows 7 is going to 'build' upon Vista architecture, it would be an even bigger disappointment.
* End of rant *
If I'm not mistaken, the cost of writing a driver for Vista for a hardware manufacturer would not be a 'fortune'. The ones that aren't doing so are probably either a)no longer in existence, b)not very competent. Microsoft paying hardware manufacturers?! That's just absurd! I thought it was incredible that they even supported 95% of the hardware around via Plug-n-Play - just imagine the amount of time/effort/cost involved in ensuring that! I'm sure there is excellent documentation and an efficient API available for manufacturers to create compatible drivers for Vista. What more can they do?