That's where the humanity of it stops... I get your point, but I make the assertion that given human nature, that's actually where the humanity of it begins.
Score one for you on the textbook definition of reasonable profit in a professional service provider sense (i.e. an engineer or architect). Now try this: How about incorporating loss leading products and services, multinational issues, public trading levels, etc into an overall picture of profitable operations, from the start of the telecom supply chain to the handset that's chirping in the customer's hand?
Do you personally know people who do in-depth cost analysis calculations on the profitability of their web hosting provider before forking over their cash? Seems like a big waste of time to me; most people seem to primarily care about the reliability and long-term track record of the company. Look at what the market as a whole is willing to pay, and compare that with your personal cost in time and money to use the service to arrive at a decision.
I just don't get why people are willing to pay so much for it. The same reason a lot of people prefer to send an email instead of picking up the phone. It's not hard to figure out.
The fact that people use text messaging services doesn't exactly make them morons. You could just as easily say that using the phone for voice comms makes you a moron. It's all about the level of service and convenience you want.
Let me put things a different way: When I pay a buddy to help me fix my car, that doesn't make me a moron. I set a price for his assistance, and he agrees to it. Could I learn how to fix my car myself? Sure. That would be a major time investment, though, and I'm willing to trade currency for time in this case. So it goes with every other product and service we buy in a capitalist society.
Here's what we do. Set up a website that allows people to register and receive an automatic text message reminder not to use text messaging. We'll get those rascally telecoms yet!
it makes more sense to talk while driving instead of trying to type a text message Just curious, have you watched people drive recently? Maybe it's just Connecticut drivers...
Since your objection seems to stem from people's (apparently stupid, by your measure) willingness to trade currency for a service at a certain price point, may I assume you consider everyone who participates in a capitalist society to be a robbing bastard? Or is it that you personally get to set the standard for what "reasonable profit" is?
How can carriers continue to justify the high cost of their apparent super-premium data transmission? It's all about what the market will bear. Add in the fact that text messages are typically used for brief communication snippets and you have a more complete picture. Some providers offer unlimited texting plans... consumers are willing to pay for the convenience.
When I was a kid, my dad gave me an AT&T PC-6300 8086 machine. It was running MS-DOS with GW-BASIC and a C compiler. He also gave me a DOS reference, C programming guide, and BASIC book. Essentially, he told me if I wanted more software (including games) I could write it myself. In my opinion, that was the single biggest favor of my life. Given my work habits, however, my wife might disagree.
I'd like to see criminal charges pressed for this sort of behavior. Surely the employees taking these actions couldn't possibly use the defense of "I was just doing my job." That would be like low level dope peddlers claiming they only sold their product under duress from their "boss." Anyone care to do a little digging on exactly what criminal statutes might have been broken here?
Please do not feed the trolls. It only incites them to further stupidity. Please reference the official Wikipedia article on the topic for further information. You may also be interested in The Psychology of Trolling. This has been an online discussion tactics PSA. Thank you, HAND, YMMV, IANAL, FWIW.
How in the hell did this firm gain access to peoples' phone records in the first place? I guess I don't know enough about how this works, but I thought it was illegal for the phone company to provide such records to a private firm without a court order. Hell, even cops have to get warrants to go through phone records, right?
Just have Google drop off one of their mobile data centers in the law firm's main lobby, complete with a dot matrix printer for displaying search results in hard copy. Fun for the whole legal family.
That's a pretty meta way of determining newsworthiness... Just wait until the true Metaverse arrives. It'll contain an infinite loop of Slashdot stories about Slashdot stories. And CowboyNeal.
I would agree that routine crashes would be inexcusable on a platform that Apple maintains firm control over for both the hardware and software side (in traditional Apple style). Maybe it's the age-old problem of rushing products to market for competitive reasons (i.e. Microsoft's "tried-and-true" (but sucky) saying of "it's good enough").
Like almost everything else in life, it comes down to a personal choice. Hey, I love and use open platforms as much as the next guy. That said, part of what has always set Apple apart is the fact that users could always count on something "just working". I'm not talking about power users, hard-core programmers, etc. I'm talking about the vast majority of the installed userbase. You didn't have compatibility and stability problems like PC users.
I think the same philosophy applies to the iPhone. You buy it because it does a set of things you want done, and does those things consistently well. While I understand the desire for completely open third party app support, this isn't part of Apple's revenue model for their product, and could indeed introduce platform stability issues in the public's eye. Just my two cents.
The key gets revoked, a new one is issued, and third party developers have their apps resigned with the new (and valid) key. Since it's public knowledge now, how is this a huge deal? Unless of course the iPhone doesn't check for key revocation... I know next to nothing about how it operates, since I don't own one.
Spelling it "Windoze" and "M$" just makes me think you're a moron. You're not a moron, are you? Why would you want me to think that? Hey, man, ease up. My bro there sounds like a mature man of 14 wise years. He's just tryin' to lay the truth on you, for real. He ain't gotta do no code review, he got that shizzle memorized, yo. He's pimpin that junk in binary, it ain't even on our level. True talk, he's down with the open source life-style like a mutha. He's the kind of real playa who's got spreadsheets printed out all over his bedsheets, in ODF format for sure.
Microsoft better watch out when he rolls deep with his leet skillz, he'll bust a cap in that closed source shiznit. Word.
I get the same result. I thought I had sent my complaint (reference this post via their web form, but upon clicking back over to that tab I noticed the same error you got. So, to contact them about Zango's abusive business practices, I have to install Zango's abusive software to interact with their server, or it generates an error? Wow. Somebody's smoking some good stuff at Snopes.
WHIOS has the following registry data for snopes.com:
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact:
Mikkelson, David
snopes@best.com
P.O. Box 684
Agoura Hills, CA 91376
US
Phone: (702) 988-4047
Fax: (818) 261-3054
The phone number appears to ring to offices at "best.com", who says their offices are presently closed and offer to take a message. Keying "best.com" into your browser will redirect to Verio. And round and round we go. I think I'll send a fax to the number listed in WHOIS.
Slashdot Mirror
Score one for you on the textbook definition of reasonable profit in a professional service provider sense (i.e. an engineer or architect). Now try this: How about incorporating loss leading products and services, multinational issues, public trading levels, etc into an overall picture of profitable operations, from the start of the telecom supply chain to the handset that's chirping in the customer's hand?
Do you personally know people who do in-depth cost analysis calculations on the profitability of their web hosting provider before forking over their cash? Seems like a big waste of time to me; most people seem to primarily care about the reliability and long-term track record of the company. Look at what the market as a whole is willing to pay, and compare that with your personal cost in time and money to use the service to arrive at a decision.
The fact that people use text messaging services doesn't exactly make them morons. You could just as easily say that using the phone for voice comms makes you a moron. It's all about the level of service and convenience you want.
Let me put things a different way: When I pay a buddy to help me fix my car, that doesn't make me a moron. I set a price for his assistance, and he agrees to it. Could I learn how to fix my car myself? Sure. That would be a major time investment, though, and I'm willing to trade currency for time in this case. So it goes with every other product and service we buy in a capitalist society.
Here's what we do. Set up a website that allows people to register and receive an automatic text message reminder not to use text messaging. We'll get those rascally telecoms yet!
Since your objection seems to stem from people's (apparently stupid, by your measure) willingness to trade currency for a service at a certain price point, may I assume you consider everyone who participates in a capitalist society to be a robbing bastard? Or is it that you personally get to set the standard for what "reasonable profit" is?
Next up on Slashdot: Why do cars cost so much?
Right on, bro. I must be trippin. Code gone to my brain, yo.
When I was a kid, my dad gave me an AT&T PC-6300 8086 machine. It was running MS-DOS with GW-BASIC and a C compiler. He also gave me a DOS reference, C programming guide, and BASIC book. Essentially, he told me if I wanted more software (including games) I could write it myself. In my opinion, that was the single biggest favor of my life. Given my work habits, however, my wife might disagree.
I'd like to see criminal charges pressed for this sort of behavior. Surely the employees taking these actions couldn't possibly use the defense of "I was just doing my job." That would be like low level dope peddlers claiming they only sold their product under duress from their "boss." Anyone care to do a little digging on exactly what criminal statutes might have been broken here?
Please do not feed the trolls. It only incites them to further stupidity. Please reference the official Wikipedia article on the topic for further information. You may also be interested in The Psychology of Trolling. This has been an online discussion tactics PSA. Thank you, HAND, YMMV, IANAL, FWIW.
How in the hell did this firm gain access to peoples' phone records in the first place? I guess I don't know enough about how this works, but I thought it was illegal for the phone company to provide such records to a private firm without a court order. Hell, even cops have to get warrants to go through phone records, right?
Just have Google drop off one of their mobile data centers in the law firm's main lobby, complete with a dot matrix printer for displaying search results in hard copy. Fun for the whole legal family.
Only after you learn the secrets of coding a shrubbery. I debug in your general direction.
You're a closet geiger counter owner. I just know it. I'm turning you in.
I would agree that routine crashes would be inexcusable on a platform that Apple maintains firm control over for both the hardware and software side (in traditional Apple style). Maybe it's the age-old problem of rushing products to market for competitive reasons (i.e. Microsoft's "tried-and-true" (but sucky) saying of "it's good enough").
Like almost everything else in life, it comes down to a personal choice. Hey, I love and use open platforms as much as the next guy. That said, part of what has always set Apple apart is the fact that users could always count on something "just working". I'm not talking about power users, hard-core programmers, etc. I'm talking about the vast majority of the installed userbase. You didn't have compatibility and stability problems like PC users.
I think the same philosophy applies to the iPhone. You buy it because it does a set of things you want done, and does those things consistently well. While I understand the desire for completely open third party app support, this isn't part of Apple's revenue model for their product, and could indeed introduce platform stability issues in the public's eye. Just my two cents.
The key gets revoked, a new one is issued, and third party developers have their apps resigned with the new (and valid) key. Since it's public knowledge now, how is this a huge deal? Unless of course the iPhone doesn't check for key revocation... I know next to nothing about how it operates, since I don't own one.
Microsoft better watch out when he rolls deep with his leet skillz, he'll bust a cap in that closed source shiznit. Word.
I've already uncovered the identity of this mysterious blogger, and caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. Here's the evidence:
The Desperado
Looks like he isn't going down without a fight, though...
I get the same result. I thought I had sent my complaint (reference this post via their web form, but upon clicking back over to that tab I noticed the same error you got. So, to contact them about Zango's abusive business practices, I have to install Zango's abusive software to interact with their server, or it generates an error? Wow. Somebody's smoking some good stuff at Snopes. WHIOS has the following registry data for snopes.com:
:
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact
Mikkelson, David
snopes@best.com
P.O. Box 684
Agoura Hills, CA 91376
US
Phone: (702) 988-4047
Fax: (818) 261-3054
The phone number appears to ring to offices at "best.com", who says their offices are presently closed and offer to take a message. Keying "best.com" into your browser will redirect to Verio. And round and round we go. I think I'll send a fax to the number listed in WHOIS.
I suppose my point is that I'm glad the issue is receiving more widespread attention than it might otherwise.