Do a search for something like "black pants" or "computer" and compare just the first two pages of results to get a good idea of which engine might have better relevancy.
I haven't done this, personally, but some sort of analysis of this might be a nice suppliment to your information.
It's not an insider fact, it's common knowledge for anyone who even remotely knows anything about search engines. It's not even something new, it's the Inktomi Paid Inclusion, which has been around for years.
Please give me a link where Yahoo says that paid inclusion DOES get your sites listed higher.
I have paid inclusion on a variety of URLs and I assure you, it doesn't increase your rank. Not only that, if Inktomi detects spam techniques on the PFI URL, they will blacklist it from the indexes.
Where did you get the erroneous idea that Yahoo offered paid-for-placement results? "Paid Inclusion" just means they spider your site every day. It doesn't affect the site ranking. If anything, the Inktomi results are more pure than google's. You need to consider the amount of adwords revenue google gets from ebay and amazon the next time you wonder why google is seemingly unable to do anything about the millions of pages of spam in their index that redirect to ebay or amazon.
I agree with you, but there is a site that has a reference search for pure inktomi results, which is useful for analyzing the tweaking that the licensees are doing. I don't want to post the url because it will be slashdotted.
The only problem to this is that Yahoo bought Inktomi well before word of MSN search had leaked out...
But I do agree that MS will steamroll right over everyone. I assume they are going to release an enhanced search in Windows that ties local machine searching with their new web search, using bundling to kill Google just like they did with IE to kill Netscape.
Yeah, google is real pure and kicks total ass. Ever notice how many spammy search results redirect to ebay and amazon? Why can't they fix that? Oh wait, notice how many of the adwords displayed on the side are for ebay or amazon?
There seems to be some confusion as to what is meant by "paid inclusion". It doesn't mean that you pay to get your site listed higher. It means that you pay to get a specific page spidered more often. That's all. If you don't pay, your site still gets listed - and PFI sites don't rank any higher than non-PFI sites.
Since Google has lately been changing their algorithm more than a chick changes panties, there is a definite possibility of them becoming unseated as the search king. The new Yahoo results look really nice, particularly compared to post-November Google results.
The results that Yahoo is serving is not "pure Inktomi". MSN licenses Inktomi search also and MSN's results never match pure Inktomi either, although Yahoo's results are much further from pure Inktomi than MSN's are. I suspect that Yahoo will maintain their own algorithm for Yahoo Inktomi and a separate algorithm for Inktomi licensees.
Uh, I am paying attention and I don't see the tie-in between Yahoo's actions and Microsoft's "overtures". The first company to successfully monetize search results was our old buddy Google, MS came in late in the game as always.
Yahoo's objective isn't to improve their service, their objective is to improve company revenues. Since Yahoo has owned Inktomi for over a year, it's ridiculous for them to continue to license results from Google.
As for what is the "best tool for the job", you might want to actually take a look at the new Yahoo results instead of blindly pimping Google. It looks entirely possible that the current Yahoo/Inktomi algorithm returns results that are more relevant than Google's current algorithm.
If googlebot crawls your site, then your robots.txt file is either wrong or in the wrong location. There is no doubt that googlebot follows the robots.txt standard.
It can take a very long time for a site to be spidered after it is submitted via the "add a url" form.
They rolled out a new algorithm over the weekend that is supposed to be a vast improvement over the post-November result set. The November update wasn't to catch spam sites - it introduced stemming, some of the latent semantic indexing stuff, and also shifted weight from incoming links to on-page content.
The song "Kernkraft 400" by Zombie Nation received significant airplay in the US. The dance song basically consists of a C64 SID chip driven synth lead over percussion.
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The Safeco Field "study" is whack. The Micros 8700 only runs on SCO UNIX. It's not like the customer chose SCO at all, it was "we need a point of sale system, let's get a Micros 8700". The 8700 is a very widely deployed system that is very reliable. It's also been around since christ was a pup, which is probably why it uses SCO.
The way SCO presents the Safeco Field study, as if the customer chose SCO, is deceptive at best, in my opinion.
Pixar dropped Disney because Pixar wants a distribution deal more like what Lucas has with Star Wars, where a flat fee is paid for distribution and Pixar would retain all rights and profits. Right now, Pixar and Disney split profits but only after Disney recoups distribution costs
it's only necessary to have live rock for a reef tank... and there really aren't that many tropical fish that sell for hundreds much less thousands of dollars...
there are a lot more computer stores than fish stores, so obviously the fish stores aren't raking it in even with their 50% margins or everyone would be running a fish store...
Yes, the regular MSN results are syndicated from Inktomi. That is probably why Microsoft wants their own search, because they are paying for search from Inktomi and syndicating ads from Overture, both of which were just bought by Yahoo.
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Do a search for something like "black pants" or "computer" and compare just the first two pages of results to get a good idea of which engine might have better relevancy.
I haven't done this, personally, but some sort of analysis of this might be a nice suppliment to your information.
Not exactly what I'd call "in depth" as it ignores the major issue that faces search engines today: relevancy.
It's not an insider fact, it's common knowledge for anyone who even remotely knows anything about search engines. It's not even something new, it's the Inktomi Paid Inclusion, which has been around for years.
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Please give me a link where Yahoo says that paid inclusion DOES get your sites listed higher.
I have paid inclusion on a variety of URLs and I assure you, it doesn't increase your rank. Not only that, if Inktomi detects spam techniques on the PFI URL, they will blacklist it from the indexes.
PFI doesn't raise your rank - period.
Where did you get the erroneous idea that Yahoo offered paid-for-placement results? "Paid Inclusion" just means they spider your site every day. It doesn't affect the site ranking. If anything, the Inktomi results are more pure than google's. You need to consider the amount of adwords revenue google gets from ebay and amazon the next time you wonder why google is seemingly unable to do anything about the millions of pages of spam in their index that redirect to ebay or amazon.
I agree with you, but there is a site that has a reference search for pure inktomi results, which is useful for analyzing the tweaking that the licensees are doing. I don't want to post the url because it will be slashdotted.
The only problem to this is that Yahoo bought Inktomi well before word of MSN search had leaked out...
But I do agree that MS will steamroll right over everyone. I assume they are going to release an enhanced search in Windows that ties local machine searching with their new web search, using bundling to kill Google just like they did with IE to kill Netscape.
Yeah, google is real pure and kicks total ass. Ever notice how many spammy search results redirect to ebay and amazon? Why can't they fix that? Oh wait, notice how many of the adwords displayed on the side are for ebay or amazon?
You might want to find out what "paid inclusion" actually encompasses before commenting on its influence on the search results.
There seems to be some confusion as to what is meant by "paid inclusion". It doesn't mean that you pay to get your site listed higher. It means that you pay to get a specific page spidered more often. That's all. If you don't pay, your site still gets listed - and PFI sites don't rank any higher than non-PFI sites.
Since Google has lately been changing their algorithm more than a chick changes panties, there is a definite possibility of them becoming unseated as the search king. The new Yahoo results look really nice, particularly compared to post-November Google results.
The results that Yahoo is serving is not "pure Inktomi". MSN licenses Inktomi search also and MSN's results never match pure Inktomi either, although Yahoo's results are much further from pure Inktomi than MSN's are. I suspect that Yahoo will maintain their own algorithm for Yahoo Inktomi and a separate algorithm for Inktomi licensees.
Uh, I am paying attention and I don't see the tie-in between Yahoo's actions and Microsoft's "overtures". The first company to successfully monetize search results was our old buddy Google, MS came in late in the game as always.
Yahoo's objective isn't to improve their service, their objective is to improve company revenues. Since Yahoo has owned Inktomi for over a year, it's ridiculous for them to continue to license results from Google.
As for what is the "best tool for the job", you might want to actually take a look at the new Yahoo results instead of blindly pimping Google. It looks entirely possible that the current Yahoo/Inktomi algorithm returns results that are more relevant than Google's current algorithm.
I dunno, these new Yahoo/Inktomi results are looking pretty sharp compared to google.
If googlebot crawls your site, then your robots.txt file is either wrong or in the wrong location. There is no doubt that googlebot follows the robots.txt standard.
It can take a very long time for a site to be spidered after it is submitted via the "add a url" form.
They rolled out a new algorithm over the weekend that is supposed to be a vast improvement over the post-November result set. The November update wasn't to catch spam sites - it introduced stemming, some of the latent semantic indexing stuff, and also shifted weight from incoming links to on-page content.
Google is working on this with the Latent Semantic Indexing technology they purchased late last year.
The song "Kernkraft 400" by Zombie Nation received significant airplay in the US. The dance song basically consists of a C64 SID chip driven synth lead over percussion.
The Safeco Field "study" is whack. The Micros 8700 only runs on SCO UNIX. It's not like the customer chose SCO at all, it was "we need a point of sale system, let's get a Micros 8700". The 8700 is a very widely deployed system that is very reliable. It's also been around since christ was a pup, which is probably why it uses SCO.
The way SCO presents the Safeco Field study, as if the customer chose SCO, is deceptive at best, in my opinion.
Pixar dropped Disney because Pixar wants a distribution deal more like what Lucas has with Star Wars, where a flat fee is paid for distribution and Pixar would retain all rights and profits. Right now, Pixar and Disney split profits but only after Disney recoups distribution costs
it's only necessary to have live rock for a reef tank... and there really aren't that many tropical fish that sell for hundreds much less thousands of dollars...
there are a lot more computer stores than fish stores, so obviously the fish stores aren't raking it in even with their 50% margins or everyone would be running a fish store...
Yeah but 50% of a 99 cent fish isn't as much as 20% of a $100 hard drive!
Grocery stores have a 20% margin as well.
Yes, the regular MSN results are syndicated from Inktomi. That is probably why Microsoft wants their own search, because they are paying for search from Inktomi and syndicating ads from Overture, both of which were just bought by Yahoo.