Uh, I have seen firsthand multiple Office 2000 installations all installed using the same license and all successfully running Office 2K SP1 for months now.
You run the latest linux kernel, so why not be fair and use the latest SP6a ? =====
The original poster wanted to act as if NT's stack was the "old rock of stability", I wanted to counter this by showing that any stability it has is reasonably new. SP6a's stack fixes do seem to address most if not all of the issues but to have to wait until the middle of 1999 for a stable stack definitely earns a "this sucks" seal for NT. I see that my post has earned the description of "flamebait". That is absurd, I know very little about linux/unix, I am an NT administrator for an ISP. This isn't flamebait, it's facts about issues that I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
===== 2.) NT (not to mention 2k) can handle just as many hits as Solaris, or any other Unix platform. This has been shown time and time again, but people seem to like to ignore facts and concentrate on a three year old story about poorly written back end code =====
This is flat out untrue. NT particularly has, time and time again, shown itself to have a feeble TCP stack that buckles under load. I am not talking about the "lets slam it with a zillion connections for 15 minutes" tests. Show me a high trafficked NT box that has been up for longer than 60 days, particularly prior to SP6a. The Microsoft solution is clustering, that way when one of the machines craps out after being up for a week, it can be rebooted without affecting site availability. The NT stack (Win 2K inclusive) is just now, within the last 12 months, starting to achieve acceptable levels of reliability. I guess it's better late than never, but don't act like the reputation is unwarranted.
===== AND, with virtual hosting, some user cracks root, and every account on that machine can be comprimised. With this, someone cracks root on one of the 20,000 instances, and whoever maintains that instance gets screwed, but the other 19,999 users are unaffected. =====
Until the cracker uses the same exploit to compromise the other 19,999 linux instances.
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The Linux tcp/ip stack requires that all data is copied from user space to kernel space before transmitting it (a server's ratio of tx to receive is roughly 10:1). In NT, no such copying needs to occur
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The presence of one unnecessary copy operation in the Linux stack cannot be used as the sole evaluation of that stack's speed or reliability. While the Linux stack has this one issue, the NT stack has been laden with issues, as I pointed out in my response to your original post of this message a few weeks back. Stability issues that can result in a denial of service are discovered in the NT stack on an almost monthly basis. There were at least a dozen stack-related DoS conditions for NT's stack posted to bugtraq over the last year while there may have been two or three at the most (if that) for linux. That indicates a serious difference in reliability which, as opposed to the presence or absence of a copy operation, can actually be used to evaluate the effectiveness of a stack in a real-world situation.
It was pointed out to me by a coworker that on some of the temperature display readings shown in this article the motherboard temperature is hotter than the processor. We cannot come up with any reason as to why this would occur. Everything is great once cooling and overclocking starts until we get to submersion15.html, where the motherboard has suddenly become hotter than the CPU. There, at 610 MHz, the CPU is -1C and the MB is at 7C. In the next picture, the CPU has dropped to -6C but the MB has risen again, now at 12C. I do not see how the MB temperature could be higher than the CPU temperature nor do I see why the CPU temperature would be going down while the MB temperature goes up. Big pimpin' Floody of proftpd fame pointed out this oddity.
===== Send mail are hardly helping matters, though, by washing all the dirty linen in public, compromising the security of the whole product as they do so =====
The issue was originally posted to bugtraq on June 7th around 6pm and it had already been maliciously exploited even by that time. Sendmail's notice didn't come until the next morning.
Hey, Joe Baptista is a regular poster in the OpenSRS mailing list, doesn't seem like a service someone starting their own gTLD would be using. He seems like a real innovator. He managed to piss everyone in the list off by saying that (essentially) the problem with the internet was poorly written software such as BIND and Sendmail (actually he is pissed because he was RBLed) to the point where Paul Vixie actually joined the list just to post a couple of messages in response. Sarcasm aside, this guy is 20 pounds of BS in a 10 pound sack.
A customer of ours needed Forums for a colocated server. When we contacted Allaire to get pricing, we were told that the product was going to be released as open source on such-and-such date and that it was silly for us to purchase it. After waiting for such-and-such date to pass (and then three more weeks) and after talking to other Allaire reps who had no knowledge of any sort of open-sourcing, we shelled out the $400 for Forums (of course our customer paid us $600 for it). That was within the last 60 days. I can only hope that our customer's ColdFusion server stays up more than Allaire's does, at least half of the time I go to www.allaire.com it returns some sort of CF server error. Heck, the first time I ever went there to get the preliminary information on purchasing CF and Forums the site returned a CF error for 4 hours.
Anyone remember DCC? This was Philips failed attempt to do to cassette tapes what they are now trying to do with the VHS format, which is use the same tape and transport formats and switch the encoding format to digital. I suspect DVHS will fare as well as DCC did.
Oops, the shift key stuck and accidentally submitted a blank form. Anyways, this poster is correct. Not only does the password have nothing to do with any possible exploit, nobody is actually able to reproduce the exploit, making the entire media-hyped report seem inaccurate at this point.
===== CalArts Student--> Well I'm in L.A. and my friend is getting a hacked copy of ProTools so I can put out a Pro album =====
It seems as if you do not really know what you are talking about. Protools (http://www.digidesign.com) , as it applies to professional audio, is a piece of software designed to operate a specific company's audio hardware. The hardware is very pricey and the software does virtually nothing without it.
I think you do not understand music. People produce sound and other people decide to listen to it. It's that simple. To try to quantify a song's merit based upon how simple or difficult it was to produce is silly.
I think you may be missing the point, this is not a $1400 DPT Millenium controller, it's an inexpensive way to increase disk throughput. I have had one of these cards for a year running on my Winblows box in stripe mode with two IDE drives and it kicks ass. Disk throughput (as reported by Echo Reporter) is exactly twice as fast as it is with a single drive of the same manufacturer. The increased disk IO performance makes a **COLOSSAL** difference in overall system performance. If you are looking for a cheap way to double (or probably quadruple with four drives) disk throughput on a Win box, this card is the solution.
I have had the good fortune to be able to work with the developer of ProFTPd on a number of projects over the years and I assure you that he is quite competent and experienced. I suspect that you have never worked on a large scale application or you would be very familiar with the method by which bugs manage to work their way into just about any piece of software. I am curious as to your development background. It must certainly be extensive for you to so readily triumph your own programming superiority.
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"Last Tuesday, it was revealed that Microsoft SQL Server 7.0 is shipped with a default password - just like Red Hat's piranha module"
Did you just subscribe to bugtraq last week? This same issue with regards to MSSQL comes up about every six months, this "news" is rather dated.
Badtz-Maru
Uh, I have seen firsthand multiple Office 2000 installations all installed using the same license and all successfully running Office 2K SP1 for months now.
maru
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Why "prior to SP6a" ?
You run the latest linux kernel, so why not be fair and use the latest SP6a ?
=====
The original poster wanted to act as if NT's stack was the "old rock of stability", I wanted to counter this by showing that any stability it has is reasonably new. SP6a's stack fixes do seem to address most if not all of the issues but to have to wait until the middle of 1999 for a stable stack definitely earns a "this sucks" seal for NT.
I see that my post has earned the description of "flamebait". That is absurd, I know very little about linux/unix, I am an NT administrator for an ISP. This isn't flamebait, it's facts about issues that I am forced to deal with on a daily basis.
maru
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2.) NT (not to mention 2k) can handle just as many hits as Solaris, or any other Unix platform. This has been shown time and time again, but people seem to like to ignore facts and concentrate on a three year old story about poorly written back end code
=====
This is flat out untrue. NT particularly has, time and time again, shown itself to have a feeble TCP stack that buckles under load. I am not talking about the "lets slam it with a zillion connections for 15 minutes" tests. Show me a high trafficked NT box that has been up for longer than 60 days, particularly prior to SP6a. The Microsoft solution is clustering, that way when one of the machines craps out after being up for a week, it can be rebooted without affecting site availability. The NT stack (Win 2K inclusive) is just now, within the last 12 months, starting to achieve acceptable levels of reliability. I guess it's better late than never, but don't act like the reputation is unwarranted.
maru
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AND, with virtual hosting, some user cracks root, and every account on that machine can be comprimised. With this, someone cracks root on one of the 20,000 instances, and whoever maintains that instance gets screwed, but the other 19,999 users are unaffected.
=====
Until the cracker uses the same exploit to compromise the other 19,999 linux instances.
maru
=====
The Linux tcp/ip stack requires that all data is copied from user space to kernel space before transmitting it (a server's ratio of tx to receive is roughly 10:1). In NT, no such copying needs to occur
=====
The presence of one unnecessary copy operation in the Linux stack cannot be used as the sole evaluation of that stack's speed or reliability. While the Linux stack has this one issue, the NT stack has been laden with issues, as I pointed out in my response to your original post of this message a few weeks back. Stability issues that can result in a denial of service are discovered in the NT stack on an almost monthly basis. There were at least a dozen stack-related DoS conditions for NT's stack posted to bugtraq over the last year while there may have been two or three at the most (if that) for linux. That indicates a serious difference in reliability which, as opposed to the presence or absence of a copy operation, can actually be used to evaluate the effectiveness of a stack in a real-world situation.
maru
It was pointed out to me by a coworker that on some of the temperature display readings shown in this article the motherboard temperature is hotter than the processor. We cannot come up with any reason as to why this would occur. Everything is great once cooling and overclocking starts until we get to submersion15.html, where the motherboard has suddenly become hotter than the CPU. There, at 610 MHz, the CPU is -1C and the MB is at 7C. In the next picture, the CPU has dropped to -6C but the MB has risen again, now at 12C. I do not see how the MB temperature could be higher than the CPU temperature nor do I see why the CPU temperature would be going down while the MB temperature goes up.
Big pimpin' Floody of proftpd fame pointed out this oddity.
badtz-maru
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Send mail are hardly helping matters, though, by washing all the dirty linen in public, compromising the security of the whole product as they do so
=====
The issue was originally posted to bugtraq on June 7th around 6pm and it had already been maliciously exploited even by that time. Sendmail's notice didn't come until the next morning.
Jeff
Hey, Joe Baptista is a regular poster in the OpenSRS mailing list, doesn't seem like a service someone starting their own gTLD would be using. He seems like a real innovator. He managed to piss everyone in the list off by saying that (essentially) the problem with the internet was poorly written software such as BIND and Sendmail (actually he is pissed because he was RBLed) to the point where Paul Vixie actually joined the list just to post a couple of messages in response.
Sarcasm aside, this guy is 20 pounds of BS in a 10 pound sack.
Maru
A customer of ours needed Forums for a colocated server. When we contacted Allaire to get pricing, we were told that the product was going to be released as open source on such-and-such date and that it was silly for us to purchase it. After waiting for such-and-such date to pass (and then three more weeks) and after talking to other Allaire reps who had no knowledge of any sort of open-sourcing, we shelled out the $400 for Forums (of course our customer paid us $600 for it). That was within the last 60 days. I can only hope that our customer's ColdFusion server stays up more than Allaire's does, at least half of the time I go to www.allaire.com it returns some sort of CF server error. Heck, the first time I ever went there to get the preliminary information on purchasing CF and Forums the site returned a CF error for 4 hours.
Jeff
Uh, when most people refer to ASP, they mean VBScript running under IIS.
Jeff
Anyone remember DCC? This was Philips failed attempt to do to cassette tapes what they are now trying to do with the VHS format, which is use the same tape and transport formats and switch the encoding format to digital. I suspect DVHS will fare as well as DCC did.
Jeff
The Limp Bizkit scenario is odd, Fred Durst is the VP of Interscope, which is the same label Dre is on.
Oops, the shift key stuck and accidentally submitted a blank form. Anyways, this poster is correct. Not only does the password have nothing to do with any possible exploit, nobody is actually able to reproduce the exploit, making the entire media-hyped report seem inaccurate at this point.
Jeff
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CalArts Student--> Well I'm in L.A. and my friend is getting a hacked copy of ProTools so I can put out a Pro album
=====
It seems as if you do not really know what you are talking about. Protools (http://www.digidesign.com) , as it applies to professional audio, is a piece of software designed to operate a specific company's audio hardware. The hardware is very pricey and the software does virtually nothing without it.
I think you do not understand music. People produce sound and other people decide to listen to it. It's that simple. To try to quantify a song's merit based upon how simple or difficult it was to produce is silly.
Jeff
I think you may be missing the point, this is not a $1400 DPT Millenium controller, it's an inexpensive way to increase disk throughput. I have had one of these cards for a year running on my Winblows box in stripe mode with two IDE drives and it kicks ass. Disk throughput (as reported by Echo Reporter) is exactly twice as fast as it is with a single drive of the same manufacturer. The increased disk IO performance makes a **COLOSSAL** difference in overall system performance. If you are looking for a cheap way to double (or probably quadruple with four drives) disk throughput on a Win box, this card is the solution.
I have had the good fortune to be able to work with the developer of ProFTPd on a number of projects over the years and I assure you that he is quite competent and experienced. I suspect that you have never worked on a large scale application or you would be very familiar with the method by which bugs manage to work their way into just about any piece of software. I am curious as to your development background. It must certainly be extensive for you to so readily triumph your own programming superiority.