The forcing of critical updates on Windows users - who steadfastly delay updates for weeks - is for the betterment of everyone.
Your opinion is acknowledged and rejected. Sorry, but that is not Microsoft's or your decision to make.
Oh and by the way, no, it isn't. It makes everything worse. Less control over your possessions is always worse. There is absolutely no way you're going to be able to shill and spin crippleware and spyware as somehow being acceptable.
A shrewd technical analysis and firm rebuttal there, cheers. I can only assume you're not old enough to remember the days of unpatched windows boxes connected directly to the internet, spewing out thousands of connections per second across entire classes of networks, looking to spawn another copy of slammer/code red/etc. Windows on the desktop is not going away, but thanks to these update policies, the chances of another worm outbreak is pretty slim to none. Pragmatism is not always in the form you wish it would be.
Yes, Microsoft is changing for the worse. Never before did Microsoft try to force or sneak OS updates on to people. Never before did they embed spyware and adware into their operating systems. Never before did they make the OS crippleware and forbid the user/owner from controlling their own computers.
Satay Nutella is a scumbag and FAR worse than Ballmer or Gates.
The forcing of critical updates on Windows users - who steadfastly delay updates for weeks - is for the betterment of everyone. Part of the problem of having the broadest reach with a desktop platform is that you have a fair amount of morons to deal with who can't just save their work and let WU do its job. Without this, we'd be dealing with far more malware that we currently have to deal with. Unfortunately idiots clicking "yes, please run this EXE attached to my email" who hammer through UAC prompts (or who have turned it off) ignoring all warnings will always exist.
You're right. I quit reading/. over a decade ago because I couldn't get past the narrow-minded (I was one of them at one point) comments about any company trying to do the right thing. Came back here today to see if things had changed. Nope. The guy at the top wants change and it's been happening. Despite what a very small vocal and idiotic minority (on/.) and other websites think.
Amen, brother. All that's left now is the very worst dregs of whatever reasonably intelligent, cautious and open minded community that once belonged here. I only came over to see what sort of response I'd see -- I guess it's just a habit. It's been ten years since I bothered with this place either. This announcement is just good for everyone. There's been a seismic shift within Microsoft. It's fascinating to have lived through the transition. All this time I've continued to run Linux and Windows at home and work for different reasons. Now, I sit here with Windows 10 with WSL (ubuntu 18.04 embedded) on a single device (surface book 2), and can switch seamlessly between platforms with a single IDE (vs code) and write code that targets any platform. Even the Windows console is turning into xterm with the new conpty plumbing (a proper pseudo tty) and x3.64/ecma48 support. What world is this?
Why the hell would I want to try to manage Windows - with its configuration management based on APIs (WMI, CIM etc.) - with a shell and tools designed to manage Unix, where configuration management is based around text files? SSH is a protocol for remoting a terminal. PowerShell is a terminal (console text mode) application. PowerShell is designed to manage Windows. Bash is a terrible shell for managing Windows. Just because I love my tennis racket doesn't mean I'm going to start using it to play soccer...
I wouldn't go so far as call it a killer feature but SSH support on Windows is a welcoming feature indeed. Hopefully they will also some day throw out their power shell and replace it with BASH, that would be the day!
Why the hell would I want to try to manage Windows, with its configuration management based on APIs (WMI, CIM etc.) with a shell designed to manage Unix where configuration management is based around text files? Just because I love my tennis racket doesn't mean I'm going to start using to play soccer...
"Kodu is a new visual programming language made specifically for creating games. It is designed to be accessible for children and enjoyable for anyone. The programming environment runs on the Xbox, allowing rapid design iteration using only a game controller for input."
Not a bad attempt at trolling, but in a data center, server 2012 would likely be a headless server-core instance with no GUI at all. To address your question, I would imagine that developers who choose to develop on a server SKU may want to target Metro/Modern apps so it is available, if required.
It is the best data set to make Microsoft look bad- which is the point here.
And the real irony is that as of IE 11.0, it's actually a pretty solid browser. It's stable, fast, has a decent integrated web tool set and implements everything that is important (WebGL, HTML5, Offline, etc. etc.) Meanwhile, Chrome is slowly turning into a crashy, buggy piece of shit. Sigh.
Microsoft may be taking a step forward by dropping the GUI, but they still don't get it.
I've been a Linux user since kernel 1.2.3, and a Windows L-user nearly as long. I assure you my friend, they get it.
What makes Unix so powerful isn't just the shell, it's the concept of pipes. The input and output of each program is text. You type the input at the keyboard, look at the output on the screen, that's what makes Unix so powerful.
Powerful, yes. Let's count all the files in the current directory that are bigger than 20mbs with a simple bash script:
Why? Because that way you can pipe the output of one program to the input of another. By using binary objects each program gets two additional levels of complexity, you need a utility to inspect the objects and another to enter data.
Really? Here's the powershell equivalent of the above bash script:
ps> ls | where length -gt 20mb | measure | select -expand count 25
I'm looking at the output on the screen. I didn't need arcane awk/sed tricks. I didn't need a "utility to inspect the objects" nor "another to enter data." If you really want to defend unix, you should keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You're clearly standing in the middle of nowhere with your head in the sand.
While this works, it is not quite comporable because it executes serially. The powershell method has built in parallelism and throttling with the -AsJob switch.
This is FUD in and in itself. Tilt bits are signals orthogonal to the normal functioning of video and sound drivers. If you don't implement platform-level DRM, you don't need to care about them. Linux drivers have had stability issues long before the concept of "trusted computing" came out of some ass-hat's tiny brain.
No defending Sony, but I'm putting this out there.
The person who takes the bribe (or campaign contributions) is much more morally bankrupt than the person offering. Joe and Orin could have said no.
The entire American system for funding political parties is based around mutual back scratching. No point jabbing your finger at individuals either. The problem is bigger than that. You need to replace your flag's stars and stripes with a loofah and dollar signs.
This test is a crock of shit. Everyone is so delighted that IE9 is running last that they don't bother to ensure their objectivity, something this "test" certainly does not have. Either that, or the test authors are morons.
Yes, I do remember being told to do that before, and it was an acceptable practice for low-traffic sites. If your site was too busy however, the idle connections sitting in session objects would eventually block new sessions until the session timed out. Not to sound high and mighty, but I never adopted this pattern; it just didn't make sense for low-traffic sites, since it was a "performance" hack, and low traffic sites perform fine. Implementing it on a high-traffic site only made the problem worse.
You say Option Pack 4 changed this behaviour -- how exactly? Connection pooling was turned OFF by default with OP/4. I'm certain of this, because when building boxes back then, I remember having to set the registry key ( HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W3SVC\ASP\P arameters\StartConnectionPool ) to a non-zero value and restart IIS 3 for it to take effect.
I'd be interested to hear your ideas on this. Personally, I just think you followed bad advice.
> I mean, come on, it's hardly news that *EVERY* Windows breaks random stuff.
And that's hardly news considering it tries to be backwards compatible all the way back to at least DOS 2.1; Can you imagine how hard it must be to NOT break more stuff, seriously?
The fact that people have to rewrite core drivers etc to support this model is a sign that Microsoft is finally putting security ahead of compatibility. This is a Good Thing.
Holy crap, that was buried in the back of my head from dos 2/3 days ; I forgot about that old chestnut. I never would have thought it was carried through to NT. Nice one!
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The forcing of critical updates on Windows users - who steadfastly delay updates for weeks - is for the betterment of everyone.
Your opinion is acknowledged and rejected. Sorry, but that is not Microsoft's or your decision to make.
Oh and by the way, no, it isn't. It makes everything worse. Less control over your possessions is always worse. There is absolutely no way you're going to be able to shill and spin crippleware and spyware as somehow being acceptable.
A shrewd technical analysis and firm rebuttal there, cheers. I can only assume you're not old enough to remember the days of unpatched windows boxes connected directly to the internet, spewing out thousands of connections per second across entire classes of networks, looking to spawn another copy of slammer/code red/etc. Windows on the desktop is not going away, but thanks to these update policies, the chances of another worm outbreak is pretty slim to none. Pragmatism is not always in the form you wish it would be.
Yes, Microsoft is changing for the worse. Never before did Microsoft try to force or sneak OS updates on to people. Never before did they embed spyware and adware into their operating systems. Never before did they make the OS crippleware and forbid the user/owner from controlling their own computers.
Satay Nutella is a scumbag and FAR worse than Ballmer or Gates.
The forcing of critical updates on Windows users - who steadfastly delay updates for weeks - is for the betterment of everyone. Part of the problem of having the broadest reach with a desktop platform is that you have a fair amount of morons to deal with who can't just save their work and let WU do its job. Without this, we'd be dealing with far more malware that we currently have to deal with. Unfortunately idiots clicking "yes, please run this EXE attached to my email" who hammer through UAC prompts (or who have turned it off) ignoring all warnings will always exist.
You're right. I quit reading /. over a decade ago because I couldn't get past the narrow-minded (I was one of them at one point) comments about any company trying to do the right thing. Came back here today to see if things had changed. Nope. The guy at the top wants change and it's been happening. Despite what a very small vocal and idiotic minority (on /.) and other websites think.
Amen, brother. All that's left now is the very worst dregs of whatever reasonably intelligent, cautious and open minded community that once belonged here. I only came over to see what sort of response I'd see -- I guess it's just a habit. It's been ten years since I bothered with this place either. This announcement is just good for everyone. There's been a seismic shift within Microsoft. It's fascinating to have lived through the transition. All this time I've continued to run Linux and Windows at home and work for different reasons. Now, I sit here with Windows 10 with WSL (ubuntu 18.04 embedded) on a single device (surface book 2), and can switch seamlessly between platforms with a single IDE (vs code) and write code that targets any platform. Even the Windows console is turning into xterm with the new conpty plumbing (a proper pseudo tty) and x3.64/ecma48 support. What world is this?
Why the hell would I want to try to manage Windows - with its configuration management based on APIs (WMI, CIM etc.) - with a shell and tools designed to manage Unix, where configuration management is based around text files? SSH is a protocol for remoting a terminal. PowerShell is a terminal (console text mode) application. PowerShell is designed to manage Windows. Bash is a terrible shell for managing Windows. Just because I love my tennis racket doesn't mean I'm going to start using it to play soccer...
I wouldn't go so far as call it a killer feature but SSH support on Windows is a welcoming feature indeed. Hopefully they will also some day throw out their power shell and replace it with BASH, that would be the day!
Why the hell would I want to try to manage Windows, with its configuration management based on APIs (WMI, CIM etc.) with a shell designed to manage Unix where configuration management is based around text files? Just because I love my tennis racket doesn't mean I'm going to start using to play soccer...
Kodu from MSR is excellent.
http://research.microsoft.com/...
"Kodu is a new visual programming language made specifically for creating games. It is designed to be accessible for children and enjoyable for anyone. The programming environment runs on the Xbox, allowing rapid design iteration using only a game controller for input."
This doesn't appear to denigrate Microsoft enough for me to make a meaningful contribution, sorry.
Not a bad attempt at trolling, but in a data center, server 2012 would likely be a headless server-core instance with no GUI at all. To address your question, I would imagine that developers who choose to develop on a server SKU may want to target Metro/Modern apps so it is available, if required.
I ditched Firefox for Chrome when Firefox went off a cliff. Chrome is not heading in a good direction. Maybe it's time to give IE 11 a shot.
It's now the fastest browser on Windows:
http://blog.newrelic.com/2014/...
"Mozilla Gecko 11" is actually MSIE 11.0. See the small print under the chart, and also:
http://www.neowin.net/news/ie1...
It is the best data set to make Microsoft look bad- which is the point here.
And the real irony is that as of IE 11.0, it's actually a pretty solid browser. It's stable, fast, has a decent integrated web tool set and implements everything that is important (WebGL, HTML5, Offline, etc. etc.) Meanwhile, Chrome is slowly turning into a crashy, buggy piece of shit. Sigh.
Microsoft may be taking a step forward by dropping the GUI, but they still don't get it.
I've been a Linux user since kernel 1.2.3, and a Windows L-user nearly as long. I assure you my friend, they get it.
What makes Unix so powerful isn't just the shell, it's the concept of pipes. The input and output of each program is text. You type the input at the keyboard, look at the output on the screen, that's what makes Unix so powerful.
Powerful, yes. Let's count all the files in the current directory that are bigger than 20mbs with a simple bash script:
~: find . -printf '%s %p\n'| sort -nr | awk '$1 > 20971520 {++c} END {print c}'
Why? Because that way you can pipe the output of one program to the input of another. By using binary objects each program gets two additional levels of complexity, you need a utility to inspect the objects and another to enter data.
Really? Here's the powershell equivalent of the above bash script:
ps> ls | where length -gt 20mb | measure | select -expand count
25
I'm looking at the output on the screen. I didn't need arcane awk/sed tricks. I didn't need a "utility to inspect the objects" nor "another to enter data." If you really want to defend unix, you should keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You're clearly standing in the middle of nowhere with your head in the sand.
Look on the bright side, at 5 digits I'm stuck with my wife (just kidding honey).
But it landed a wife that reads Slashdot?
Internet Explorer had it in 1995.
While this works, it is not quite comporable because it executes serially. The powershell method has built in parallelism and throttling with the -AsJob switch.
I will be glad to try, I charge $150/hr with $300 minimum. Feel free to contact me about this.
Ah, this reminds me of a old adage: "Linux is only free if your time is worthless."
This is FUD in and in itself. Tilt bits are signals orthogonal to the normal functioning of video and sound drivers. If you don't implement platform-level DRM, you don't need to care about them. Linux drivers have had stability issues long before the concept of "trusted computing" came out of some ass-hat's tiny brain.
-Oisin
No defending Sony, but I'm putting this out there.
The person who takes the bribe (or campaign contributions) is much more morally bankrupt than the person offering. Joe and Orin could have said no.
The entire American system for funding political parties is based around mutual back scratching. No point jabbing your finger at individuals either. The problem is bigger than that. You need to replace your flag's stars and stripes with a loofah and dollar signs.
This test is a crock of shit. Everyone is so delighted that IE9 is running last that they don't bother to ensure their objectivity, something this "test" certainly does not have. Either that, or the test authors are morons.
DUH
[meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7" /]
END DUH.
-Oisin
why did you just paste the source URL?
...would have saved you some copy and pasting.
http://blogs.msdn.com/jscript/archive/2007/10/17/performance-issues-with-string-concatenation-in-jscript.aspx
> AC said:
> Stop using acronyms in story summaries. Not everyone knows what FUD is.
FUD! Get him!
Yes, I do remember being told to do that before, and it was an acceptable practice for low-traffic sites. If your site was too busy however, the idle connections sitting in session objects would eventually block new sessions until the session timed out. Not to sound high and mighty, but I never adopted this pattern; it just didn't make sense for low-traffic sites, since it was a "performance" hack, and low traffic sites perform fine. Implementing it on a high-traffic site only made the problem worse.
You say Option Pack 4 changed this behaviour -- how exactly? Connection pooling was turned OFF by default with OP/4. I'm certain of this, because when building boxes back then, I remember having to set the registry key ( HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W3SVC\ASP\
I'd be interested to hear your ideas on this. Personally, I just think you followed bad advice.
- Oisin
> I mean, come on, it's hardly news that *EVERY* Windows breaks random stuff.
And that's hardly news considering it tries to be backwards compatible all the way back to at least DOS 2.1; Can you imagine how hard it must be to NOT break more stuff, seriously?
The fact that people have to rewrite core drivers etc to support this model is a sign that Microsoft is finally putting security ahead of compatibility. This is a Good Thing.
- Oisin
> Ever used these features? No? That's probably why they're not in OpenOffice. ...
>
> And, it is an important element of FUD
Is it just me, or is there a certain irony to be observed in the above statements?
- Oisin
> IE7? You have to be joking right? Its still in beta and relies a lot on IE6 code
Beta, yes; a good reason. but "relies a lot on ie6 code?" how do you know this exactly? are you one of the IE devs?
Holy crap, that was buried in the back of my head from dos 2/3 days ; I forgot about that old chestnut. I never would have thought it was carried through to NT. Nice one!
- Oisin