Apple creates value to people who want their technology to "just work" by covering the whole product lifecycle with a system that - surprise - as a result limits choice!
As someone who has a couple of Macs and who maintains a Mac for his parents, I can say: it's a myth that Apple technology "just works". Mac hardware has plenty of problems.
And while the iPhone is fairly nice, there are plenty of phones that are considerably easier to use and a lot cheaper, like the Motorola F3, the Danger Hiptop, or a Nokia 1100 (1 billion sold!).
It's also having structured, simple unlimited data plans, which is really what makes the iPhone shine.
T-Mobile has had those for half a dozen years for the Danger Hiptop.
It's about expanding the iTunes/iPod/iPhone/iTunes Store ecosystem with a carefully planned strategy.
Yes, that is what it is about: vendor lock-in. And that's why Apple is evil.
It may be that someday, Apple really can't "afford" carrier exclusivity. And you know what? I'd imagine we'll see a change, then, won't we?
You don't seriously believe that Apple has a lot of time on their hands? This isn't the desktop market, where Microsoft's monopoly has slowed progress to a crawl; Apple's features and UI will be cloned and improved upon within six months by a dozen phones, and at half the price.
You biased yourself by saying 'Bush' and 'republicans' laying blame on them directly and ignoring the rest.
I'm pointing out that the religious right is responsible for electing corrupt Republicans to office that governed this nation over most of the last seven years, and that their record is a disaster. That's not a "Republican" vs "Democrat" thing or a question of "bias", that's just a cold, hard historical fact.
And, of course, I'm "biased" against the corrupt Republicans that have been running the country for most of the last seven years. Aren't you? Look at where the country is today compared to eight years ago. Are you actually in favor of trillion dollar deficits and foreign debt? Are you in favor of torture and violations of the Constitution by the executive? Are you in favor about lying to the American people and to Congress about reasons to go to war? Are you in favor of domestic spying and bidless contracts? Are you in favor of outsourcing military tasks to private contractors? That's what the legacy of these people is.
Now, you can be a partisan moron who tries to deflect every criticism of these people's actual record by whining that pointing out their actual record is "biased", or you can actually use your head and not get suckered in by their religious pretenses and fear mongering next election. In fact, there are alternatives to this both on the Republican and the Democratic side. I don't care which side of the fence you vote on, just don't get suckered in by the "I'm religious therefore I can do no wrong" bullshit anymore.
Oh, and if you're living out in the heartland, be aware that some of the shit you impose on the rest of the country is going to come back to haunt you sooner or later, which brings us back to churches, televisions, and football.
Is Microsoft making money off Hotmail? Is Hotmail inducing anybody to buy Windows or Office? If not, it was a waste of money. And I don't think it is: Microsoft lost $77m on MSN in 2006.
Saying that the most wealthy, successful software company in the world is doomed to failure for going against silicon valley reasoning is futile when that's what they've always done and made more than anyone else while doing.
Microsoft is making money with their near monopoly: Office and Windows. Anything else is negligible or a money loser.
It's a joke really. Nothing the company is doing is working. Even Xbox only has high revenue because it's subsidized so heavily and the company is bleeding money on it.
I have *never* seen P2P saturate an 8Mbps connection. This is probably because the vast majority of the P2P users have abysmal upstream speeds.
Well, that depends on the kind of stuff you download. I download legitimate content hosted at sites with big bidirectional pipes, so I have saturated my connection. Furthermore, fiber to the home is generally symmetric.
Corrupt Republicans? [...] The proper statement would be corrupt politicians.
No, the proper statement is corrupt Republicans, because the religious right voted corrupt Republicans into office and corrupt Republicans have been ruining the economy and American government for most of the past seven years. The problem is that voters of the religious right are easy to manipulate by fear mongering about irrelevant issues like "the homosexual agenda", "Islam", "secular humanism", and "evolution", and corrupt right wing candidates eager for power and money use that as a way of getting into office. There are lots of other ways in which politicians can manipulate voters, but this is one that we can easily identify and that has done huge damage to the country, so it is worth talking about.
The solution is not to vote for corrupt Democrats, it is to vote for non-corrupt politicians of either party.
WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU PEOPLE TO REALIZE THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T MAKE THE LAWS?!
My statement wasn't limited to the president, I just gave Bush as an example. And the president actually has a great deal of power over what laws get passed.
also stop being such a twit that you think politicians are different because of the political party they claim.
You need to stop jumping to conclusions and actually read what people are saying. Nowhere did I say that people could avoid these problems simply by voting for Democrats. In fact, the real message is that people need to stop falling for fear mongering and vote on issues that matter. Homosexual marriage doesn't matter, a trillion dollar of foreign debt and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on a useless war do matter, and we need to elect politicians that deal with the real issues. There are both some Republicans and some Democrats that can.
Church-going folks overwhelmingly voted for the corrupt Republicans that allowed copyright to take on these excessive forms in the first place. I say: throw the book at them. Sue them for criminal copyright infringement. Maybe once they get a taste of their own medicine, they'll think twice before voting another Bush into office.
1) Can you show me the analog device that does what Tivo does?
Dual-tape VCRs, video delay loops, analog disk recorders with random access, etc.
2) I was working in digital video, including with hard disk video recorders from 1994 through 1997 and it didn't occur to me. In fact I didn't hear anyone ever mention anything like it.
Well, I dunno, maybe you were simply a button pusher on Windows. On UNIX workstations, this sort of thing was trivial as soon as video boards capable of real time capture were out.
You get the idea. It's not rocket science. And just about anybody who used that stuff on a $15k UNIX workstation said "hey, wouldn't it be nice to have one of these at home".
TiVo made a nice product out of it, they should never have gotten a monopoly on it.
I don't think that Trolltech will help, unless they're given authority over the user experience. And existing Qtopia based devices don't indicated that things will completely improve over the miserable experience that Nokia currently provides.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've had a few of Qtopia devices, and while they were somewhat better than S60, they were nothing to write home about.
The best UIs I have seen on mobile devices have been the the Hiptop, the iPhone, and Palm. And Hiptop 2.0 is effectively being released by Google as Android.
In that case, 100Mbps FTTP is already deployed in the US (there are a few small areas where it is being used).
Did I say anything different? I responded to a statement that the US might have a first mover advantage on fiber and WiMax. The US can't have the first mover advantage if the stuff is alread deployed in Europe. Clear enough?
Every so often some ISP makes a press release about trialling 100Mbps FTTP but I question the merits of upgrading the local loop much further until the network infrastructure is improved since it is rare that people can saturate their current 8Mbps or 25Mbps connections at the moment.
With P2P (even legitimate) and video rental services, people can easily saturate their connections, and they do.
Furthermore, the bottleneck often isn't downstream, it's upstream.
Touch screens with vertical surfaces are unusable for routine work (they're OK for ATMs) because arms get tired. Touch screens with horizontal surfaces take up valuable desktop space unnecessarily and appear to cause neck and back problems.
Touch screens have been around essentially as long as mice. Mice won because they work incredibly well; no other pointing device even comes close.
Pure hyperbole. Neither is available here in the UK
Let me help you out here: the sentence "100 Mbps fiber to the home and WiMAX are already deployed in Europe." doesn't mean "universally deployed" or "widely available", it means there exists places in Europe where it has been deployed and commercially available, nothing less and nothing more.
In addition, it turns out, that there is a lot of fiber-to-the-home already in the ground. That means that many ISPs are pretty much ready to roll it out widely across several European nations. I think the reason they don't is because they need more backbone capacity and they need to figure out how to deal with bandwidth hogs and P2P more effectively.
A few isolated deployments does not mean the whole of Europe has anything like this speed.
No, it doesn't. That's why I didn't actually say that.
When anything like this comes to the UK is, of course, anybody's guess. AFAIK, the UK doesn't have a lot of fiber in the ground, so don't hold your breath.
I have several Nokia phones. The hardware is wonderful: lots of features, great cameras, etc. Windows Mobile devices, too, have great hardware. The trouble is the software: Symbian sucks, both as a user interface, and as a development platform. It's slow, it's buggy, it's counterintuitive, the desktop software is a PITA, it has bad error messages,... And Nokia knows it, which is why they bought Troll Tech.
So, what does the gPhone do? It takes the great Windows Mobile hardware that companies like HTC develop and makes it available with better software.
And the software is here: you can download it and run it. I would expect the first actual Google Phones to come out in a few months at the most (actually, I think you can already get small quantities if you really want to).
Anyone know the difference in terms of features between Android and the most current version of Windows mobile?
Android is the second phone platform by Rubin; his first platform was the Danger Hiptop, also written in Java. You can get a good idea of how it works there: it's much more user friendly than Windows Mobile, and it does all its synchronization over the air.
The biggest change is that Android is much more open: it will be open source, you can replace any part of the system you like, and do so safely. Most add-ons will likely be replacements of components (connection manager, file chooser, image chooser, etc.), rather than "applications". And, of course, synchronization will almost certainly be to Google's on-line services, with no desktop software required.
and felt that a buyout of TrollTech and a subsequent opening of Qt would have been the smarter route.
That probably would have been the best thing for everybody.
Anyway, there was never any mention of licensing that I can recall. I could be wrong though.
Well, you just did: if Sun felt that opening the code was important, then they weren't happy with the license as it was. Since Gtk is under the LGPL, its license was fine.
But this is a problem with Qt's dual licensing: people choosing a platform are basically putting the future and commercial control of their platform in Troll Tech's hands. If anything, this has gotten worse with the Nokia buy-out; as long a TT was running the show, at least you knew that their livelihood depended on supporting desktop platforms well. For Nokia's bottom line, the success of Qt on the desktop simply doesn't matter.
Of course, now that Gnome officially discourages the use of Bonobo, that doesn't seem so smart. I remember a Register article that claimed that senior Sun execs were appalled at the horribleness of Gnome's code
Well, Gtk and Gnome have improved since, and discouraging Bonobo is one indication of that:-)
I think Tivo is an example of what patents should protect. My understanding is that Tivo was a pretty clever idea, and they spent a lot of time and money creating something very cool and unique.
Many people had this idea before TiVo; it's a pretty obvious idea for people working with digital video, and there were many of those around when TiVo was founded.
I think Tivo brought something unique to market and they should have a (truly) limited time to exclusively benefit from it.
Issues of creativity aside, the purpose of patents is to promote progress. How did this patent promote progress? TiVo became big and successful before their patent had any effect. And DVRs would have been done anyway, with or without TiVo, as soon as the hardware price was about right.
This patent should have struck down because (1) it's just a digital implementation of an existing, analog process, and (2) the technique is obvious to someone of ordinary skill working on digital video.
Sun doesn't get a high quality product it wants if it doesn't want to play ball and keep the source open. Instead, they're profiting off GNOME's back.
But Sun has been playing ball and keeping the source open. They have also open sourced Java. See, the KDE/Qt license sucks even for companies that support open source and that "play ball".
- Apple did invent lots of stuff in the GUI arena. Have you seen Smalltalk 80 and how Lisa is different from that?
Except that the Lisa was largely a copy of Xerox's office systems, not of Smalltalk-80. And, unfortunately, it was a bad copy: Apple copied most of the appearance, but they did a lousy job on the software engineering. And that's Apple's m. o. to this day: they copy other people's products, package it well, but they rarely come up with anything original, and their software engineering sucks.
That's a pretty ironic statement, too, because you're saying that Sun really wanted KDE but had to settle for Gnome. Why do you think that is? I think it's because of licensing issues.
that is, a blind Microsoft hater that takes any opportunity to criticize them.
What makes you think that he is a blind Microsoft hater? Plenty of people have plenty of good reasons to hate Microsoft. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist, they have wrecked numerous companies through sleazy business practices, and their software has driven many a user to despair.
The real question is how anybody who isn't blind can still defend the company. You need to be living under a rock (or be paid by Microsoft) in order to still want to shield the company from criticism.
Baxter also added another tidbit for attendees, saying that Python accounts for around 15 percent of Google's code base."
Given how much more compact Python programs are than equivalent C++ or Java programs, that must mean that a big part of Google's functionality is written in Python.
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Apple creates value to people who want their technology to "just work" by covering the whole product lifecycle with a system that - surprise - as a result limits choice!
As someone who has a couple of Macs and who maintains a Mac for his parents, I can say: it's a myth that Apple technology "just works". Mac hardware has plenty of problems.
And while the iPhone is fairly nice, there are plenty of phones that are considerably easier to use and a lot cheaper, like the Motorola F3, the Danger Hiptop, or a Nokia 1100 (1 billion sold!).
It's also having structured, simple unlimited data plans, which is really what makes the iPhone shine.
T-Mobile has had those for half a dozen years for the Danger Hiptop.
It's about expanding the iTunes/iPod/iPhone/iTunes Store ecosystem with a carefully planned strategy.
Yes, that is what it is about: vendor lock-in. And that's why Apple is evil.
It may be that someday, Apple really can't "afford" carrier exclusivity. And you know what? I'd imagine we'll see a change, then, won't we?
You don't seriously believe that Apple has a lot of time on their hands? This isn't the desktop market, where Microsoft's monopoly has slowed progress to a crawl; Apple's features and UI will be cloned and improved upon within six months by a dozen phones, and at half the price.
You biased yourself by saying 'Bush' and 'republicans' laying blame on them directly and ignoring the rest.
I'm pointing out that the religious right is responsible for electing corrupt Republicans to office that governed this nation over most of the last seven years, and that their record is a disaster. That's not a "Republican" vs "Democrat" thing or a question of "bias", that's just a cold, hard historical fact.
And, of course, I'm "biased" against the corrupt Republicans that have been running the country for most of the last seven years. Aren't you? Look at where the country is today compared to eight years ago. Are you actually in favor of trillion dollar deficits and foreign debt? Are you in favor of torture and violations of the Constitution by the executive? Are you in favor about lying to the American people and to Congress about reasons to go to war? Are you in favor of domestic spying and bidless contracts? Are you in favor of outsourcing military tasks to private contractors? That's what the legacy of these people is.
Now, you can be a partisan moron who tries to deflect every criticism of these people's actual record by whining that pointing out their actual record is "biased", or you can actually use your head and not get suckered in by their religious pretenses and fear mongering next election. In fact, there are alternatives to this both on the Republican and the Democratic side. I don't care which side of the fence you vote on, just don't get suckered in by the "I'm religious therefore I can do no wrong" bullshit anymore.
Oh, and if you're living out in the heartland, be aware that some of the shit you impose on the rest of the country is going to come back to haunt you sooner or later, which brings us back to churches, televisions, and football.
it worked when Microsoft bought Hotmail
Is Microsoft making money off Hotmail? Is Hotmail inducing anybody to buy Windows or Office? If not, it was a waste of money. And I don't think it is: Microsoft lost $77m on MSN in 2006.
Saying that the most wealthy, successful software company in the world is doomed to failure for going against silicon valley reasoning is futile when that's what they've always done and made more than anyone else while doing.
Microsoft is making money with their near monopoly: Office and Windows. Anything else is negligible or a money loser.
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It's a joke really. Nothing the company is doing is working. Even Xbox only has high revenue because it's subsidized so heavily and the company is bleeding money on it.
I have *never* seen P2P saturate an 8Mbps connection. This is probably because the vast majority of the P2P users have abysmal upstream speeds.
Well, that depends on the kind of stuff you download. I download legitimate content hosted at sites with big bidirectional pipes, so I have saturated my connection. Furthermore, fiber to the home is generally symmetric.
Corrupt Republicans? [...] The proper statement would be corrupt politicians.
No, the proper statement is corrupt Republicans, because the religious right voted corrupt Republicans into office and corrupt Republicans have been ruining the economy and American government for most of the past seven years. The problem is that voters of the religious right are easy to manipulate by fear mongering about irrelevant issues like "the homosexual agenda", "Islam", "secular humanism", and "evolution", and corrupt right wing candidates eager for power and money use that as a way of getting into office. There are lots of other ways in which politicians can manipulate voters, but this is one that we can easily identify and that has done huge damage to the country, so it is worth talking about.
The solution is not to vote for corrupt Democrats, it is to vote for non-corrupt politicians of either party.
WHAT THE FUCK IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR YOU PEOPLE TO REALIZE THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T MAKE THE LAWS?!
My statement wasn't limited to the president, I just gave Bush as an example. And the president actually has a great deal of power over what laws get passed.
also stop being such a twit that you think politicians are different because of the political party they claim.
You need to stop jumping to conclusions and actually read what people are saying. Nowhere did I say that people could avoid these problems simply by voting for Democrats. In fact, the real message is that people need to stop falling for fear mongering and vote on issues that matter. Homosexual marriage doesn't matter, a trillion dollar of foreign debt and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on a useless war do matter, and we need to elect politicians that deal with the real issues. There are both some Republicans and some Democrats that can.
Church-going folks overwhelmingly voted for the corrupt Republicans that allowed copyright to take on these excessive forms in the first place. I say: throw the book at them. Sue them for criminal copyright infringement. Maybe once they get a taste of their own medicine, they'll think twice before voting another Bush into office.
1) Can you show me the analog device that does what Tivo does?
/dev/video1 -o stream.video & vidplay stream.video
/dev/video1 stream.video
Dual-tape VCRs, video delay loops, analog disk recorders with random access, etc.
2) I was working in digital video, including with hard disk video recorders from 1994 through 1997 and it didn't occur to me. In fact I didn't hear anyone ever mention anything like it.
Well, I dunno, maybe you were simply a button pusher on Windows. On UNIX workstations, this sort of thing was trivial as soon as video boards capable of real time capture were out.
Live recording with pausing?
vidrecord -d
Scheduled recording?
at 11pm vidrecord -t 1h
You get the idea. It's not rocket science. And just about anybody who used that stuff on a $15k UNIX workstation said "hey, wouldn't it be nice to have one of these at home".
TiVo made a nice product out of it, they should never have gotten a monopoly on it.
I don't think that Trolltech will help, unless they're given authority over the user experience. And existing Qtopia based devices don't indicated that things will completely improve over the miserable experience that Nokia currently provides.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've had a few of Qtopia devices, and while they were somewhat better than S60, they were nothing to write home about.
The best UIs I have seen on mobile devices have been the the Hiptop, the iPhone, and Palm. And Hiptop 2.0 is effectively being released by Google as Android.
In that case, 100Mbps FTTP is already deployed in the US (there are a few small areas where it is being used).
Did I say anything different? I responded to a statement that the US might have a first mover advantage on fiber and WiMax. The US can't have the first mover advantage if the stuff is alread deployed in Europe. Clear enough?
Every so often some ISP makes a press release about trialling 100Mbps FTTP but I question the merits of upgrading the local loop much further until the network infrastructure is improved since it is rare that people can saturate their current 8Mbps or 25Mbps connections at the moment.
With P2P (even legitimate) and video rental services, people can easily saturate their connections, and they do.
Furthermore, the bottleneck often isn't downstream, it's upstream.
Touch screens with vertical surfaces are unusable for routine work (they're OK for ATMs) because arms get tired. Touch screens with horizontal surfaces take up valuable desktop space unnecessarily and appear to cause neck and back problems.
Touch screens have been around essentially as long as mice. Mice won because they work incredibly well; no other pointing device even comes close.
Pure hyperbole. Neither is available here in the UK
Let me help you out here: the sentence "100 Mbps fiber to the home and WiMAX are already deployed in Europe." doesn't mean "universally deployed" or "widely available", it means there exists places in Europe where it has been deployed and commercially available, nothing less and nothing more.
In addition, it turns out, that there is a lot of fiber-to-the-home already in the ground. That means that many ISPs are pretty much ready to roll it out widely across several European nations. I think the reason they don't is because they need more backbone capacity and they need to figure out how to deal with bandwidth hogs and P2P more effectively.
A few isolated deployments does not mean the whole of Europe has anything like this speed.
No, it doesn't. That's why I didn't actually say that.
When anything like this comes to the UK is, of course, anybody's guess. AFAIK, the UK doesn't have a lot of fiber in the ground, so don't hold your breath.
I have several Nokia phones. The hardware is wonderful: lots of features, great cameras, etc. Windows Mobile devices, too, have great hardware. The trouble is the software: Symbian sucks, both as a user interface, and as a development platform. It's slow, it's buggy, it's counterintuitive, the desktop software is a PITA, it has bad error messages, ... And Nokia knows it, which is why they bought Troll Tech.
So, what does the gPhone do? It takes the great Windows Mobile hardware that companies like HTC develop and makes it available with better software.
And the software is here: you can download it and run it. I would expect the first actual Google Phones to come out in a few months at the most (actually, I think you can already get small quantities if you really want to).
Anyone know the difference in terms of features between Android and the most current version of Windows mobile?
Android is the second phone platform by Rubin; his first platform was the Danger Hiptop, also written in Java. You can get a good idea of how it works there: it's much more user friendly than Windows Mobile, and it does all its synchronization over the air.
The biggest change is that Android is much more open: it will be open source, you can replace any part of the system you like, and do so safely. Most add-ons will likely be replacements of components (connection manager, file chooser, image chooser, etc.), rather than "applications". And, of course, synchronization will almost certainly be to Google's on-line services, with no desktop software required.
but a lot of it is due to the fact that the US moved first.
That's why it may actually be wise not to move first, e.g. on Iraq.
f they don't have any plans for leapfrogging ahead again (fibre, WiMAX, and so on).
Too late: 100 Mbps fiber to the home and WiMAX are already deployed in Europe.
and felt that a buyout of TrollTech and a subsequent opening of Qt would have been the smarter route.
:-)
That probably would have been the best thing for everybody.
Anyway, there was never any mention of licensing that I can recall. I could be wrong though.
Well, you just did: if Sun felt that opening the code was important, then they weren't happy with the license as it was. Since Gtk is under the LGPL, its license was fine.
But this is a problem with Qt's dual licensing: people choosing a platform are basically putting the future and commercial control of their platform in Troll Tech's hands. If anything, this has gotten worse with the Nokia buy-out; as long a TT was running the show, at least you knew that their livelihood depended on supporting desktop platforms well. For Nokia's bottom line, the success of Qt on the desktop simply doesn't matter.
Of course, now that Gnome officially discourages the use of Bonobo, that doesn't seem so smart. I remember a Register article that claimed that senior Sun execs were appalled at the horribleness of Gnome's code
Well, Gtk and Gnome have improved since, and discouraging Bonobo is one indication of that
I think Tivo is an example of what patents should protect. My understanding is that Tivo was a pretty clever idea, and they spent a lot of time and money creating something very cool and unique.
Many people had this idea before TiVo; it's a pretty obvious idea for people working with digital video, and there were many of those around when TiVo was founded.
I think Tivo brought something unique to market and they should have a (truly) limited time to exclusively benefit from it.
Issues of creativity aside, the purpose of patents is to promote progress. How did this patent promote progress? TiVo became big and successful before their patent had any effect. And DVRs would have been done anyway, with or without TiVo, as soon as the hardware price was about right.
This patent should have struck down because (1) it's just a digital implementation of an existing, analog process, and (2) the technique is obvious to someone of ordinary skill working on digital video.
It's also because Sun's compiler couldn't deal with C++ name-mangling issues, if I remember correctly
I don't understand. Are you saying that KDE and Qt rely on specific name mangling algorithms?
Sun doesn't get a high quality product it wants if it doesn't want to play ball and keep the source open. Instead, they're profiting off GNOME's back.
But Sun has been playing ball and keeping the source open. They have also open sourced Java. See, the KDE/Qt license sucks even for companies that support open source and that "play ball".
- Apple did invent lots of stuff in the GUI arena. Have you seen Smalltalk 80 and how Lisa is different from that?
Except that the Lisa was largely a copy of Xerox's office systems, not of Smalltalk-80. And, unfortunately, it was a bad copy: Apple copied most of the appearance, but they did a lousy job on the software engineering. And that's Apple's m. o. to this day: they copy other people's products, package it well, but they rarely come up with anything original, and their software engineering sucks.
That's a pretty ironic statement, too, because you're saying that Sun really wanted KDE but had to settle for Gnome. Why do you think that is? I think it's because of licensing issues.
that is, a blind Microsoft hater that takes any opportunity to criticize them.
What makes you think that he is a blind Microsoft hater? Plenty of people have plenty of good reasons to hate Microsoft. Microsoft is a convicted monopolist, they have wrecked numerous companies through sleazy business practices, and their software has driven many a user to despair.
The real question is how anybody who isn't blind can still defend the company. You need to be living under a rock (or be paid by Microsoft) in order to still want to shield the company from criticism.
It doesn't matter what Microsoft does; if Zimbra is open source and matters, other people will pick it up.
Let's hope it ends the same way, too.
Baxter also added another tidbit for attendees, saying that Python accounts for around 15 percent of Google's code base."
Given how much more compact Python programs are than equivalent C++ or Java programs, that must mean that a big part of Google's functionality is written in Python.