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  1. Re:Arthur C. Clarke, you've done it again! on Inflatable Toys in Space · · Score: 1

    WOW
    I just finished watching 2010 on Space: The Imagination Station, and saw that inflatable Russian heat shield. Coincidence? I think not.

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  2. Re:Then Redhat robs people too....What? on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    BC. What good is a win98 upgrade when I dont have Win98 Version 1, Win95, Win95a, Win95 OSR2, Win95 OSR2.1, or Win95 OSR2.5? Last time I checked the upgrade didn't work on Linux. The full retail Windows 98 SE is fucking expensive. Sure I could get a pirated copy, but I don't have to. Unfortunately other people do buy it, and smile when they pay 300-400 dollars for it.

  3. Re:It may be too late for open, free, streaming vi on Streaming Media - Can Linux Keep Up? · · Score: 1

    Wow that Natalie Portman underground porno is awsome!

  4. Re:Is there a standard? on Streaming Media - Can Linux Keep Up? · · Score: 1

    Funny thing is that codecs.microsoft.com can't fix media player when it tries to play intel indeo5 and i263 video formats. Just ask anyone using win98 who is a regular on alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica
    One has to go to intel's download site to get them.

  5. Re:Is there a standard? on Streaming Media - Can Linux Keep Up? · · Score: 1

    This guy definately works for Microsoft.

  6. Re:What about xanim? on Petition Apple for Linux QuickTime · · Score: 0

    I remember when those movie trailers for Episode 1 starring Natalie Portman came out.
    I grabbed them, and installed the new Quicktime Player for Windows 98. The system was a 266/64mb ram.
    It dropped 9 frames out of 10.
    The only way I could "see" the thing was to drag the progress bar slowly so I could view each of the frames. Quicktime is a peice of shit, I'll take mpg any day of the week. DONT make a Linux player, thanks.

  7. Re:why on Petition Apple for Linux QuickTime · · Score: 1

    Where can I get this Media Player for Linux ?
    I thought they had made an elf binary of NetShow player, and they pulled it quicker than a 14 year old watching a Natalie Portman movie.

  8. Re:win95a on Linux Kernel 2.3.41 · · Score: 1

    Lets see, a month is typically 30 days.
    A couple of months (2) is around 60 days.
    Many months (your words) I take it to be more than 60 days.

    Last I checked, win95a was hard coded to crash after about 49 days, due to a bug in the OS, of course it was rare to see a win95a machine work for more than 4 hours, so this bug was rarely seen. Stop trollin /. for bucks and go tell your boss to start innovating any time now.

  9. Re:Quick Fix... on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    Since formatting the HD is typically making a filesystem in the windows world, then step 1) would be to make a new FAT32/NTFS5 partition. Why would anyone want to run Linux on a FAT filesystem?

    I think what you mean is nuke the MRICROFTS~4 partition and slap the Linux native and Linux swap partitions in its place. mke2fs is usually evoked to create a Linux filesystem on the native partition. I'm not sure how useful FORMAT.COM would be on a Linux system.

  10. Re:How about this? on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    Please don't call it XWindows, Windows is a trademark of MORCOSTIF Corporation, and they have nothing to do with the X Windowing System.

    Please note that the X consortium requests that we not use the term "X-Windows". Their preferred naming is "X", "X Window System", "X Version 11", "X Window System, Version 11" or "X11".

  11. Re:How about this? on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    THE ENTIRE FUCKING USERBASE THAT IS THE LINUX COMMUNITY, SAVE FOR THOSE THAT HAVE TRULY FOUND NIRVANA IN THIER GUI OF CHOICE.

    Most GUI teams or author (singular) want you to email them with suggestions, problems, diffs, or whatever to help. This creates a dynamic, nearly self correcting beast that is molded to the users exact needs. MTSFOICROFST~9 Windows doesn't do that at all. They pay no heed to thier userbase, once they get thier money after pimping thier code whores, you are finished. Until the next upgrade, that is.

  12. Re:How about this? on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    This guy _has_ to be working for MCROSIFRT~2

    I wonder if there are any Linux companies that will pay me to troll the Windows forums and newsgroup postings late into the night, secretly promoting thier product.

  13. Re:Security thru Obscurity. on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 0

    "Sure you would, just like all the bugs are found in Redhat? Oh, that's right they aren't all found. Well, that's just a fluke. How about BSD?
    That must be bug free, nope, another fluke I guess."

    WHAT ABOUT BSOD? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

    I SAW A GUY SHIT IN HIS PANTS WHEN THAT SMILING PAPER CLIP WAS DANCING AND THEN EVERYTHING FROZE AND WENT BLUE ALL FULL OF NUMBERS AND LETTERS!

  14. Re:Then Redhat robs people too on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    You should try buying Windows 98 in Canada, its fucking overpriced. Somewhere between 300 and 400 dollars. Off-the-shelf linux tends to sell for around $69, although I'm not sure who is buying it.

  15. Re:Comprehend much? on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 0

    What kind of a fucking moron lets hackers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H crackers into his/her machines/network in the first place? The tools are there for you to lock it down, now use them. If you didn't know that, maybe you should:
    a) not be a Linux systems administrator
    b) not work in the IT field whatsoever
    c) go back to windows

  16. Re:2.2.0 kernel on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    You obviously havent used Lynx, which is available for the win32 platform by the way. I have yet to meet a win32 box that I can't crash, and IE5/explorer.exe (or associated Dynamic bLoated Library) is the culprit. IE5 is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong.

  17. Re:You Do have a Point But... on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    I tried it (the "pro" version) out on a 266mhz machine, 64 mb of ram.
    My conclusiuons:

    -The interface is even more dumbed down than Win9x, if you can beleive it.
    -It took a long long time to install and configure itself, however hardware detection was 100% right, this never happened in any previous MS-OS that I have seen.
    -Regular boot up takes at least twice as long as Windows NT4 on the same machine.
    -It feels slower than NT4 on the same machine.
    -The dumbed down interface really pissed me off.
    -I nuked it after about 35 minutes.

    Now that I have "tried" it, I can voice my opinion that it is an overpriced toy. I don't like it one bit.

  18. Re:Service packs [or lack thereof] on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Windows Update (p1 of 3)

    0 Then top.location.href = "R346/V31Site/x86/w98/en/thanksstart.htm" Else If
    Instr(LCase(navigator.userAgent), "windows 95") > 0 And (Left(LCase(navigator.systemLanguage), 2) =
    "ar" Or Left(LCase(navigator.systemLanguage),2) = "he") Then top.location.href =
    "R346/V31Site/x86/w98/en/thanksW98ME.htm" End If If (LCase(top.location.hostname)
    "windowsupdate.microsoft.com") Then
    top.location.replace("http://windowsupdate.microso ft.com/default.htm" & top.location.search) End If
    Dim GblProductSync, GblConfirmSync, GblSuccessSync, GblPSuccessSync, GblProgressSync, GblFailureSync,
    GblSync Dim bIsEngineReady, GblLock, g_bIsWinUpdate, g_bRebootRequired, g_strLocaleID, sAcceptLang
    GblSync = "" GblLock = FALSE bIsEngineReady = FALSE g_bIsWinUpdate = TRUE g_bRebootRequired = False
    dc = LCase(document.cookie) If ((Instr(dc, "page=productupdates") 0) AND
    (InStr(LCase(location.search),"&sec=criticalupdate s")=0)) Then document.cookie = "page=nothing;
    path=/" top.location.replace("default.htm?Page=productupda tes") ElseIf (InStr(dc, "page=cun") AND
    (InStr(LCase(location.search),"&sec=criticalupdate s")0))Then document.cookie = "page=nothing;
    path=/" top.location.replace("default.htm?Page=productupda tes") ElseIf Instr(dc,
    "page=memberservices") 0 Then document.cookie = "page=nothing; path=/"
    top.location.replace("default.htm?Page=memberservi ces") ElseIf document.cookie="" Then
    document.cookie = "page=nothing; path=/" End If On Error Resume Next End If Sub Window_OnLoad() On
    Error Resume Next Dim VarQuery, VarUsrAgt, VarOS, VarCPU, VarLang, fIE_oldbeta fIE_oldbeta = FALSE
    VarUsrAgt = LCase(Navigator.userAgent) If Instr(VarUsrAgt, "windows 95") > 0 Then VarOS = "w95"
    ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "nt 5.0") > 0 OR Instr(VarUsrAgt, "windows 2000" ) > 0 Then VarOS = "nt5"
    ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "windows nt") > 0 Then VarOS = "nt4" ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "nt") > 0 Then
    VarOS = "nt5" ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "millennium") > 0 Then VarOS = "mil" ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt,
    "win 9x 4.90") > 0 Then VarOS = "mil" ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "win 9x 5.") > 0 Then VarOS = "nep"
    ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "windows 98") > 0 Then VarOS = "w98" End If Dim clCap, IEid set clCap =
    document.all("idClCap") IEid = clCap.getComponentVersion("htmlfile","ProgID") If Instr(VarUsrAgt,
    "msie 4.0") > 0 Then If (InstrRev(VarUsrAgt, "compat") > 0) AND (InstrRev(VarUsrAgt, "compat")
    Instr(VarUsrAgt, "compat")) Then VarBrowser = "Ie5" Else VarBrowser = "Ie4" End If ElseIf
    Instr(VarUsrAgt, "msie 5.0b1") > 0 OR Instr(VarUsrAgt, "msie 5.0b2") > 0 OR
    VersionCompare(IEid,"5,0,2014,0215") = -1 Then VarBrowser = "Ie5" If Instr(VarUsrAgt, "nt 5") = 0 AND
    Instr(VarUsrAgt, "windows 2000") = 0 Then fIE_oldbeta = TRUE Else
    location.replace("R346/V31Site/x86/nt5/en/UpgradeT o_W2KB3.htm") End If ElseIf Instr(VarUsrAgt, "msie
    5.") > 0 Then VarBrowser = "Ie5" End If If LCase(Navigator.cpuClass) = "x86" Then VarCPU = "x86"
    ElseIf LCase(Navigator.cpuClass) = "alpha" Then VarCPU = "Alpha" End If VarLang = Replace( getLang(),
    "-", "" ) If fIE_oldbeta Then top.location.href = "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" &
    VarLang & "/ieupdate.htm" Exit Sub End If Err.clear If wupdinfo.IsDisabled Then If Err.Number = 0
    Then top.location.replace "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" & VarLang & "/thankscorp.htm"
    Exit Sub End if End if Window.Frames("FrmContent").Location.replace "blank.htm"
    Window.Frames("FrmToolbar").Location.replace "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" & VarLang &
    Microsoft Windows Update (p2 of 3)
    "/" & VarBrowser & "/Toolbar.htm" Dim s s = LCase(top.location.href) If InStr(s,
    "page=productupdates" & GblPUCritUpdts) Then Window.Frames("FrmNavigator").Location.replace
    "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" & VarLang & "/" & VarBrowser &
    "/Navigator.htm?productupdates" ElseIf InStr(s, "page=productupdates") Then
    Window.Frames("FrmNavigator").Location.replace "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" & VarLang
    & "/" & VarBrowser & "/Navigator.htm?Page=ProductUpdates" ElseIf InStr(s, "page=memberservices") Then
    Window.Frames("FrmNavigator").Location.replace "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" & VarLang
    & "/" & VarBrowser & "/Navigator.htm?Page=MemberServices" Else
    Window.Frames("FrmNavigator").Location.replace "R346/V31Site/" & VarCPU & "/" & VarOS & "/" & VarLang
    & "/" & VarBrowser & "/Navigator.htm" End If End Sub function VersionCompare(strVer1,strVer2) aryVer1
    = split(strVer1,",") aryVer2 = split(strVer2,",") VersionCompare = 0 for i = 0 to 3 if
    CInt(aryVer1(i)) > CInt(aryVer2(i)) then VersionCompare = 1 Exit For elseif CInt(aryVer1(i)) 0 ) Then sAcceptLang = Left (
    sAcceptLang, index - 1 ) arrLang = Array ( _ Array( "en", "en", "0409" ), _ Array( "en-us", "en",
    "0409" ), _ Array( "en-au", "en", "0C09" ), _ Array( "en-nz", "en", "1409" ), _ Array( "en-za", "en",
    "1C09" ), _ Array( "en-tt", "en", null ), _ Array( "en-gb", "en", "0809" ), _ Array( "en-ca", "en",
    "1009" ), _ Array( "en-ie", "en", "1809" ), _ Array( "en-jm", "en", "2009" ), _ Array( "en-bz", "en",
    null ), _ _ Array( "ja", "ja", "0411" ), _ _ Array( "de", "de", "0407" ), _ Array( "de-ch", "de",
    "0807" ), _ Array( "de-at", "de", "0C07" ), _ Array( "de-lu", "de", "1007" ), _ Array( "de-li", "de",
    "1407" ), _ _ Array( "zh", "zhcn", null ), _ Array( "zh-tw", "zhtw", "0404" ), _ Array( "zh-cn",
    "zhcn", "0804" ), _ Array( "zh-hk", "zhcn", "0C04" ), _ Array( "zh-sg", "zhcn", "1004" ), _ Array(
    "zhtw", "zhtw", "0404" ), _ Array( "zhcn", "zhcn", "0804" ), _ _ Array( "es", "es", "040A" ), _
    Array( "es-mx", "es", "080A" ), _ Array( "es", "es", "0C0A" ), _ Array( "es-gt", "es", "100A" ), _
    Array( "es-cr", "es", "140A" ), _ Array( "es-pa", "es", "180A" ), _ Array( "es-do", "es", "1C0A" ), _
    Array( "es-ve", "es", "200A" ), _ Array( "es-co", "es", "240A" ), _ Array( "es-pe", "es", "280A" ), _
    Array( "es-ar", "es", "2C0A"), _ Array( "es-ec", "es", "300A" ), _ Array( "es-cl", "es", "340A" ), _
    Array( "es-uy", "es", "380A" ), _ Array( "es-py", "es", "3C0A" ), _ Array( "es-bo", "es", "400A" ), _
    Array( "es-sv", "es", null ), _ Array( "es-hn", "es", null ), _ Array( "es-ni", "es", null ), _
    Array( "es-pr", "es", null ), _ Array( "ca", "en", "0403"), _ Array( "eu", "en", "042D"), _ _ Array(
    "fr", "fr", "040C" ), _ Array( "fr-be", "fr", "080C" ), _ Array( "fr-ca", "fr", "0C0C" ), _ Array(
    "fr-ch", "fr", "100C" ), _ Array( "fr-lu", "fr", "140C" ), _ _ Array( "it", "it", "0410" ), _ Array(
    "it-ch", "it", "0810" ), _ _ Array( "ko", "ko", "0412" ), _ _ Array( "ar", "ar", "0401" ), _ Array(
    "ar-sa", "ar", "0401" ), _ Array( "ar-eg", "ar", "0C01" ), _ Array( "ar-dz", "ar", "1401" ), _ Array(
    "ar-tn", "ar", "1C01" ), _ Array( "ar-ye", "ar", "2401" ), _ Array( "ar-jo", "ar", "2C01" ), _ Array(
    "ar-kw", "ar", "3401" ), _ Array( "ar-bh", "ar", "3C01" ), _ Array( "ar-iq", "ar", "0801" ), _ Array(
    "ar-ma", "ar", "1801" ), _ Array( "ar-om", "ar", "2001" ), _ Array( "ar-sy", "ar", "2801" ), _ Array(
    "ar-lb", "ar", "3001" ), _ Array( "ar-ae", "ar", "3801" ), _ Array( "ar-qa", "ar", "4001" ), _ Array(
    "ar-ly", "ar", "1001" ), _ _ Array( "no", "no", "0414" ), _ Array( "pl", "pl", "0415" ), _ Array(
    Microsoft Windows Update (p3 of 3)
    "pt", "pt", "0816" ), _ Array( "pt-br", "pt-br", "0416" ), _ Array( "ru", "ru", "0419" ), _ Array(
    "ru-mo", "ru", "0819" ), _ Array( "nl", "nl", "0413"), _ Array( "nl-be", "nl", "0813" ), _ Array(
    "el", "el", "0408" ), _ Array( "he", "he", "040D" ), _ Array( "hu", "hu", "040E" ), _ Array( "sk",
    "sk", "041B" ), _ Array( "sl", "sl", "0424" ), _ Array( "sv", "sv", "041D" ), _ Array( "fi", "fi",
    "040B" ), _ Array( "cs", "cs", "0405" ), _ Array( "da", "da", "0406" ), _ Array( "th", "en", "041E"
    ), _ Array( "tr", "tr", "041F" ), _ _ Array( "ts", "en", "0431" ), _ Array( "sb", "en", "042E" ), _
    Array( "sx", "en", "0430" ), _ Array( "et", "en", "0425" ), _ Array( "fo", "en", "0438" ), _ Array(
    "fa", "en", "0429" ), _ Array( "hr", "en", "041A" ), _ Array( "tn", "en", "0432" ), _ Array( "bg",
    "en", "0402" ), _ Array( "be", "en", "0423" ), _ Array( "hi", "en", "0439" ), _ Array( "rm", "en",
    "0417" ), _ Array( "ro", "en", "0418" ), _ Array( "ro-mo", "en", "0818" ), _ Array( "gd", "en", null
    ), _ Array( "gd-ie", "en", null ), _ Array( "is", "en", "040F" ), _ Array( "in", "en", "0421" ), _
    Array( "lv", "en", "0426" ), _ Array( "lt", "en", "0427" ), _ Array( "mk", "en", "042F" ), _ Array(
    "ms", "en", null ), _ Array( "mt", "en", "043A" ), _ Array( "sz", "en", "043B" ), _ Array( "sr",
    "en", "081A" ), _ Array( "uk", "en", "0422" ), _ Array( "ur", "en", "0420" ), _ Array( "ve", "en",
    "0433" ), _ Array( "vi", "en", null ), _ Array( "xh", "en", null ), _ Array( "ji", "en", null ), _
    Array( "is", "en", "040F" ), _ Array( "zu", "en", "0435" ) _ ) Dim vlang vlang = left(sAcceptLang, 2)
    If Left(LCase(navigator.browserLanguage), 2) = "en" And (Left(LCase(navigator.systemLanguage), 2) =
    "ar" Or Left(LCase(navigator.systemLanguage),2) = "he") And VarBrowser = "Ie4" Then If vlang = "ar"
    Or vlang = "he" Then sAcceptLang = "en" End If End If for i = 0 to UBound( arrLang ) if arrLang(i)(0)
    = sAcceptLang then getLang = arrLang(i)(1) if ( getLang = sAcceptLang ) then g_strLocaleID = "0x0000"
    & arrLang(i)(2) exit function else for j = 0 to UBound( arrLang ) if arrLang(j)(0) = getLang then
    g_strLocaleID = "0x0000" & arrLang(j)(2) exit function end if next end if exit for end if next
    getLang = "en" g_strLocaleID = "0x00000409" End Function -->

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  19. Re:yes but.. on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    Wow thanks for telling me about that hole that allows root access ! I'll get right on it! whoops I dont use corel linux!
    I guess Linux != Corel Linux is wrong!
    I better stop ending all my sentences with !

  20. Re:Predjudice. on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    [xcp@mandelbrot /tmp]# ls -l Win2k_Service_Pack_1/

    total 1020

    -rwxr--r-- 1 xcp users 1037752 Jan 28 16:05 Q251170_W2K_SP1_X86_en.EXE*



    My clock isn't off and the date is January 28, 2000, not JUNE. And that is the name of the file that you download when you use Windows 2000 and want to fix these bugs. The naming convention implies that this is Service Pack 1 (SP1_X86)

  21. Re:Predjudice. on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    [xcp@mandelbrot /tmp]# ls -l Win2k_Service_Pack_1/
    total 1020
    -rwxr--r-- 1 xcp users 1037752 Jan 28 16:05 Q251170_W2K_SP1_X86_en.EXE*

    My clock isn't off and the date is January 28, 2000, not JUNE. And that is the name of the file that you download when you use Windows 2000 and want to fix these bugs. The naming convention implies that this is Service Pack 1 (SP1_X86)

  22. Re:LOL on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    If the customer had any security that was worth breeching, then its his/her responsibility to set up such security. There is a PLETHORA (quick go look it up) of linux security sites, as well as *BSD security sites. Just because $LINUX_VENDOR didn't ship an Advanced Security Wizard doesn't mean they are liable for the incompetence of a network administrator.

  23. Re:Not surprising on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    This guy must work for Microsoft, this AC seems to have taken this personally.
    Why don't you go read Windows Magazine or something, and turn off your "Internet Zone" browser from slashdot.org

  24. Re:Rushing bites MS again... on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    "This could happen with any OS. Linux v2.4 will be out some time before RedHat completes a version of their own. Bugs could be found in the kernel before RedHat ships."

    What the hell are you saying here? 2.4 is a major version leap. Currently RedHat ships with a 2.2 kernel. When 2.4 comes out, major changes will be necessary to implement it, such as XFree86 4.0. Also just because Microsoft has blurred the border between thier kernel and IIS/IE5/Shit doesn't mean you can do that with the Linux kernel and Linux distributions. I don't use RedHat but you Microsoft cheerleaders seem to think Linux!=RedHat, so I decided to browse some of RedHat's site (I don't use RedHat).

    http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh61-errata -security.html

    hmm some lpr, bind, wuftpd, some apps, no kernel major security bugs here.

    http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh61-errata -bugfixes.html

    some userland packages, new version of apache, nope no major security hole bugs here

    http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh61-errata -updates.html

    Currently, there are no Package Enhancements for Red Hat Linux 6.1

    Redhat has a reputation for shipping misconfigured userland applications that lead to exploits, fortunately I don't rely on Redhat, or thier support, I have chosen my own distribution and have also chosen to take my own responsibility for what services I run and how the permissions are set.
    As a Slackware Linux user, I have no problem getting a new kernel and building it for my system, whereas Microsoft has taken to convincing its users that directories are really called folders, and that nasty things such as "partitions" and "hard disks" are really the same thing, -drive letters. Most professionals that run Linux know what they are doing, not like the fool who actually beleived the Micros~1 hype about Windows 1900 and are beginning to deploy it, knowing Micros~1 has turned a blind eye towards security, and has adopted the "Big Brother knows best" attitude. I doubt this will be the last bug in this "Enterprise Ready" OS, and with that IIS in the kernel, I can't wait till the next time Micros~1 has egg on thier face.

  25. Re:OPEN SOURCE SECURITY HOLE on Win2k Security holes found · · Score: 1

    This was so fraught with hilarity that I spewed my coffee in a guffaw all over my keyboard and monitor. Natalie Portman : Open Source and pregnant