Yeah and pilots back in the day didn't have air conditioning in their planes, auto pilot to relax for a few minutes on a straight path, or advanced radar and AWACS support to know what was coming miles before it got to them. What's your fucking point? It's called technological advances. By your reasoning, anyone after the Wright Brothers was a fucking pussy.
I think ST handles it pretty well in terms of how the Federation works, but obviously there's a lot of give and take in that sort of situation and of course there would have to be some sort of central government for it to really work (in the case of ST, the Federation Council)
Well let's see. First off, when it ran on Fox, the storyline was confusing because the Pilot aired about 3 episodes in, the 2nd episode ran first, etc. Also, even the time slot never stayed solid, so it was also hard to find on TV. As far as the movie goes, the real problem was trying to cater both to the casual crowd and the fans. The movie's plot was half a retelling of some of the tv series and half a completely new story, so it ended up being a mashup that failed to truly cater to either. That has nothing to do with why the TV series failed, which is completely Fox's fault. Nice try to deflect my argument though.
Puh-lease. Voyager was much more watchable than DS9. DS9 was all of the played out crap that you saw in TNG put in a different setting (Space Station boldly going fucking nowhere) whereas Voyager took the fish out of water (in this case, Federation crew out in the middle of nowhere without any backup and without any known races) and granted, it had it's low moments, but the drama and action to me were much more personable than that in DS9, which was part garbage (as you said, the Chosen One crap comes to mind) and part mindless battles that ended in Deus Ex Machina (can anyone say the wormhole saves the quadrant when all seems lost). Granted, I could've done without Q being in Voyager (although it was mostly done for comic relief and a little bit of nostalgia) and the TNG appearances near the end (although that was done mostly to help tie up the ending of the series I think).
Voyager is hated mostly by fanboys I think because it got away from the quickly turning stale norm that TNG and DS9 had become known for and tried to be a little bit different. I have no idea, because the characters were a lot more likable than most of those in DS9 (I won't argue that the TNG crew were less likable, TNG is still my favorite overall) with the notable exception of Neelix, and the plot lines a lot more varied than that of DS9, which either focused around the Ferengi bar, the Bajorans, the Cardassians, or the Gamma Quadrant. There were some exceptions, but I just described 95% of the episodes of DS9. The only big arc in Voyager was their conflicts with the Borg and the earlier conflicts with the Kazon. Other than that, you had no idea what to expect from one episode to the next. Oh yeah, and no one on DS9 or TNG had boobs quite like Seven on Voy. And when all else fails, the boobies win!
What always shocked me was how easy it was for outside forces to infiltrate and capture a big fucking Federation starship. I mean seriously, how often did some bumbling idiots or rag tag band of aliens capture the fucking Enterprise, a ship with thousands of of people including Fucking Worf and Fucking Data.
I'm a big proponent of capitalism and a free-market society, and even I think that given those four things, a socialist society would be the logical choice. Hell, if we had unlimited resources, easy access to those resources, etc, I would be pro-socialism. Just because it's not the case in the real world doesn't mean it's not something to aspire to.
Ummm...apparently you missed most of the last season or two of Voyager, where they were having a hell of a time with resources. Heck, in many instances they made references to the fact that they had to rely on Neelix's cooking because of rationing the ship's energy and not using the replicators. Year of Hell was a good arc in this vein.
Look at CSI: anything. The science AND the justice system in that show only vaguely resemble real forensic science or our real justice system.
So what you are saying is, in the real world CSI divisions, the head of the division doesn't put on the sunglasses mid-sentence and then walk off camera after delivering a killer one-liner? Lies!
When it comes down to it, being married to a medical technologist, I see this as coming down to staffing. I know in her lab, if two people call in they are buried in work, and if three people call in they are super fucked. Granted, she works nights, and staffing in the day time is somewhat better, but with hospitals making cutbacks due to the economy and the fact that they are about to get bent over and reamed by Obamacare (her hospital has already cut a dozen doctors and a handful of nurses and techs in anticipation of the need to give out more medical care with less money coming in), hospitals are going to do anything they can to try and keep as many people working without getting sick as possible, and this includes immunizations for H1N1.
The terrorists were hiding amongst the civilians. We aren't going to back down from killing the bad guys because they are willing to use innocents as shields. It sucks, and ideally we would never kill innocents, but it happens and yes it sucks but that is the reality of the situation when the bad guys are willing to kill innocents themselves and then hide amongst other innocents.
And I hate to tell you this, but you live in a fantasy world if you think we were fighting in Afghanistan over one person. Yes, we're hunting Osama Bin Laden. But do you really think that it's just about him? He is/was (depending on if he really is still alive, and if not, Al Qaeda is still going without him) just one man in charge of a network of terrorists, and last I checked, we haven't had a successful attack since 9/11 due in large part to the fact that we've taken the fight to them, and we've been diligent enough now, having learned the harsh reality that terrorism is alive and well in the modern world, to stop attempted attacks since that point.
It is censorship, since it is illegal to sell games or movies in Australia if they do not meet the ratings standards, which do not have a Mature/Adult Only rating level like in the US. Call it censorship or not but that is what it is. Thank god I don't live in a country that makes it illegal for me to buy something because it doesn't meet some morality standard. And for the record, I'm a conservative christian, but I'm also a believer in civil liberties and freedom of choice and expression. I don't even think some of these games are appropriate, but I would shout until my voice is gone defending the right for myself or others to purchase them.
Well let's see. Having the government butt into various aspects of my life is intrinsically bad. Having the government tell me what doctor I have to go to and what my medical options are (instead of it being between myself, my doctor, and my insurance company, which will probably become dinosaurs once we are all under medicare for people under 65, *ahem* I mean the public option), being punished for making a good living and having more of my money going to people who can't do for themselves, and having to tolerate watching my president bash his own country in order to win peace prizes and attempt to get his cronies an olympics berth, is all, intrinsically bad.
Considering he was nominated 11 days into his presidency, I find it hilarious that people are actually defending Obama winning this prize. What a fucking joke.
And you can blame much of this on the very people who are in apology mode.
Clinton started the housing crisis by pushing forward law that requires banks to give home loans to people it knows very well will not be able to afford their mortgage payments (and this is a big reason why banks used Adjustable Rate loans knowing that at the very least, they could get the property back sooner rather than later when the people defaulted as expected on their home loans that they could not afford), Clinton started the draw down on the armed forces that put a strain on our military that was indirectly responsible for the US not having the resources to fight the War on Terror and the conflict in Iraq in a method that would've ended the Iraq conflict and the termination of Al Qaeda in a much more efficient manner than it has been, and the current Congress (stretching back well into Bush's 2nd term) is the reason why we are trillons of dollars in debt, while banks that were putting good money against bad were able to line their coffers to ride the waves that they directly created, while businesses and individuals have by and large not been able to get any credit due not to any problem with their credit history but due to lending moratoriums by those very banks we bailed out.
Fair enough, although I've been around long enough to get excellent karma. But it is true, ignorant comments around here seem to be as common as Honda vehicles on a given city street.
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But the real question is, how many of those kids rode the balloon?
Yeah because the rest of the world is full of atheists and that there are not religious nuts anywhere else in the world *cough*middle east*cough*
Yeah and pilots back in the day didn't have air conditioning in their planes, auto pilot to relax for a few minutes on a straight path, or advanced radar and AWACS support to know what was coming miles before it got to them. What's your fucking point? It's called technological advances. By your reasoning, anyone after the Wright Brothers was a fucking pussy.
I think ST handles it pretty well in terms of how the Federation works, but obviously there's a lot of give and take in that sort of situation and of course there would have to be some sort of central government for it to really work (in the case of ST, the Federation Council)
Well let's see. First off, when it ran on Fox, the storyline was confusing because the Pilot aired about 3 episodes in, the 2nd episode ran first, etc. Also, even the time slot never stayed solid, so it was also hard to find on TV. As far as the movie goes, the real problem was trying to cater both to the casual crowd and the fans. The movie's plot was half a retelling of some of the tv series and half a completely new story, so it ended up being a mashup that failed to truly cater to either. That has nothing to do with why the TV series failed, which is completely Fox's fault. Nice try to deflect my argument though.
Puh-lease. Voyager was much more watchable than DS9. DS9 was all of the played out crap that you saw in TNG put in a different setting (Space Station boldly going fucking nowhere) whereas Voyager took the fish out of water (in this case, Federation crew out in the middle of nowhere without any backup and without any known races) and granted, it had it's low moments, but the drama and action to me were much more personable than that in DS9, which was part garbage (as you said, the Chosen One crap comes to mind) and part mindless battles that ended in Deus Ex Machina (can anyone say the wormhole saves the quadrant when all seems lost). Granted, I could've done without Q being in Voyager (although it was mostly done for comic relief and a little bit of nostalgia) and the TNG appearances near the end (although that was done mostly to help tie up the ending of the series I think).
Voyager is hated mostly by fanboys I think because it got away from the quickly turning stale norm that TNG and DS9 had become known for and tried to be a little bit different. I have no idea, because the characters were a lot more likable than most of those in DS9 (I won't argue that the TNG crew were less likable, TNG is still my favorite overall) with the notable exception of Neelix, and the plot lines a lot more varied than that of DS9, which either focused around the Ferengi bar, the Bajorans, the Cardassians, or the Gamma Quadrant. There were some exceptions, but I just described 95% of the episodes of DS9. The only big arc in Voyager was their conflicts with the Borg and the earlier conflicts with the Kazon. Other than that, you had no idea what to expect from one episode to the next. Oh yeah, and no one on DS9 or TNG had boobs quite like Seven on Voy. And when all else fails, the boobies win!
Yeah I'm pretty sure Fox airing most of the episodes out of order had nothing to do with it.
What always shocked me was how easy it was for outside forces to infiltrate and capture a big fucking Federation starship. I mean seriously, how often did some bumbling idiots or rag tag band of aliens capture the fucking Enterprise, a ship with thousands of of people including Fucking Worf and Fucking Data.
I'm a big proponent of capitalism and a free-market society, and even I think that given those four things, a socialist society would be the logical choice. Hell, if we had unlimited resources, easy access to those resources, etc, I would be pro-socialism. Just because it's not the case in the real world doesn't mean it's not something to aspire to.
You forgot the ???? step.
Ummm...apparently you missed most of the last season or two of Voyager, where they were having a hell of a time with resources. Heck, in many instances they made references to the fact that they had to rely on Neelix's cooking because of rationing the ship's energy and not using the replicators. Year of Hell was a good arc in this vein.
His talk about Star Trek *puts on sunglasses* is a big bunch of fucking bullshit *walks off camera*
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAH!!!!!!
Shut your goram mouth you rutting idiot /endsarcasm /endfireflycussing
And thank Fox for killing it, because they suck. That's all, moving on.
Yeah, whereas DS9 was more General Hospital or One Life to Live than Star Trek.
Look at CSI: anything. The science AND the justice system in that show only vaguely resemble real forensic science or our real justice system.
So what you are saying is, in the real world CSI divisions, the head of the division doesn't put on the sunglasses mid-sentence and then walk off camera after delivering a killer one-liner? Lies!
When it comes down to it, being married to a medical technologist, I see this as coming down to staffing. I know in her lab, if two people call in they are buried in work, and if three people call in they are super fucked. Granted, she works nights, and staffing in the day time is somewhat better, but with hospitals making cutbacks due to the economy and the fact that they are about to get bent over and reamed by Obamacare (her hospital has already cut a dozen doctors and a handful of nurses and techs in anticipation of the need to give out more medical care with less money coming in), hospitals are going to do anything they can to try and keep as many people working without getting sick as possible, and this includes immunizations for H1N1.
The terrorists were hiding amongst the civilians. We aren't going to back down from killing the bad guys because they are willing to use innocents as shields. It sucks, and ideally we would never kill innocents, but it happens and yes it sucks but that is the reality of the situation when the bad guys are willing to kill innocents themselves and then hide amongst other innocents.
And I hate to tell you this, but you live in a fantasy world if you think we were fighting in Afghanistan over one person. Yes, we're hunting Osama Bin Laden. But do you really think that it's just about him? He is/was (depending on if he really is still alive, and if not, Al Qaeda is still going without him) just one man in charge of a network of terrorists, and last I checked, we haven't had a successful attack since 9/11 due in large part to the fact that we've taken the fight to them, and we've been diligent enough now, having learned the harsh reality that terrorism is alive and well in the modern world, to stop attempted attacks since that point.
It can definitely be argued that the method by which the war in Iraq was run was misguided and inefficient. It doesn't make it any less just.
Because it makes good rat jerky
It is censorship, since it is illegal to sell games or movies in Australia if they do not meet the ratings standards, which do not have a Mature/Adult Only rating level like in the US. Call it censorship or not but that is what it is. Thank god I don't live in a country that makes it illegal for me to buy something because it doesn't meet some morality standard. And for the record, I'm a conservative christian, but I'm also a believer in civil liberties and freedom of choice and expression. I don't even think some of these games are appropriate, but I would shout until my voice is gone defending the right for myself or others to purchase them.
Well let's see. Having the government butt into various aspects of my life is intrinsically bad. Having the government tell me what doctor I have to go to and what my medical options are (instead of it being between myself, my doctor, and my insurance company, which will probably become dinosaurs once we are all under medicare for people under 65, *ahem* I mean the public option), being punished for making a good living and having more of my money going to people who can't do for themselves, and having to tolerate watching my president bash his own country in order to win peace prizes and attempt to get his cronies an olympics berth, is all, intrinsically bad.
Considering he was nominated 11 days into his presidency, I find it hilarious that people are actually defending Obama winning this prize. What a fucking joke.
Never said I care that they agree with us. Could care less.
And you can blame much of this on the very people who are in apology mode.
Clinton started the housing crisis by pushing forward law that requires banks to give home loans to people it knows very well will not be able to afford their mortgage payments (and this is a big reason why banks used Adjustable Rate loans knowing that at the very least, they could get the property back sooner rather than later when the people defaulted as expected on their home loans that they could not afford), Clinton started the draw down on the armed forces that put a strain on our military that was indirectly responsible for the US not having the resources to fight the War on Terror and the conflict in Iraq in a method that would've ended the Iraq conflict and the termination of Al Qaeda in a much more efficient manner than it has been, and the current Congress (stretching back well into Bush's 2nd term) is the reason why we are trillons of dollars in debt, while banks that were putting good money against bad were able to line their coffers to ride the waves that they directly created, while businesses and individuals have by and large not been able to get any credit due not to any problem with their credit history but due to lending moratoriums by those very banks we bailed out.
Fair enough, although I've been around long enough to get excellent karma. But it is true, ignorant comments around here seem to be as common as Honda vehicles on a given city street.