See the following detailed article from xboxpc.com based on an interview from Kevin Bachus, one of the originators of the X-Box on why the X-Box isn't anything but a game machine. It won't even have a web browser.
Hey, is Inprise ever going to release Delphi for Linux. It seems like I recall they announced that quite a while ago. Boy, the platform sure could use a RAD tool like that. But it doesn't really seem like Inprise is all THAT committed to Linux. They're sorta just on the other side of the fence from Metroworks...
I hate to say this, but it's true. Linux will never have a "coherent" and "structured" gui that works half as well as Windows or the Mac. It is lacking the "overseeing" brain needed to create order out of chaos. It is like a nest being built by army ants, rather than the status of David by Michelangelo. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can move onward and enjoy our "army ant" like efficiencies!
Feb. 18, 2000 - Microsoft announces the availability of Windows 2000 Source Code under the new "Nopeekie" license.
According to Steve Ballmer, the "Nopeekie" license improves upon the popular GPL license, which is used by a competing operating system, Linux.
"Basically, we take the existing GPL and twist it to serve our needs, I mean our customers' needs more fully. This is the way it works: We will be providing the source code for Windows 2000 on every cd we sell. This will please shareholders and brokers and keeps our stock price up, I mean keep our customers happy.
The "Nopeekie" protects us in the following way. Under the "Nopeekie" license, the customer is not allowed to actually look at the software. They can use the source in any manner in which they do not have to look at the source.
We knew enforcement of the "Nopeekie" license was going to be a tricky procedure. But luckily I personally came up with the winning solution.
In order to lower legal fees and improve our bottom line, our "Nopeekie" license will not be enforced in the traditional legal sense. Basically, we have negotiated a long-term contract with a fellow from New Jersey, a Mr. Soprano, to head an enforcement task team. Mr. Soprano will work directly with me in regards to this endeavor. He will hitherforth be our new Senior VP of License Enforcement and Piracy Prevention.
We immediately expect to increase our sales 50% over the next four quarters as a result of this. We also expect that 100% of our proprietary source code will remain safe in the hands of Mr. Soprano and the "Nopeekie" License."
So there you have it. It looks like a serious challenger to Linux and the GPL is stepping up to the plate, baseball bat in hand. What are you gonna do about it?
I get your point. I think you could at least argue...
#1 Microsoft's control of the OS market did not in and of itself crush Netscape.
But you must consider other factors...
#2 Microsoft making their competing product (IE) free (as in beer) actually assisted #1. #3 Once Microsoft made the "free" product better than Netscape, the nail was in the coffin.
Now, let's take the Sun to Microsoft comparison... Sun has a stranglehold on the Enterprise Server market and is using its position to take over the Server OS market.
Ok, now that I look at it, I don't think the statement above works, but anyway, I wasn't making a serious argument originally anyway.
Thanks dude for your unnecessary personal attack. Microsoft, btw, had a small % of the browser market when the made IE free and subsequently took over the market. Still not 90%, maybe 60+%. At least get your facts straight if you have the balls to insult somebody.
Direct from Sun's website....
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Sun and the Linux Community
Consistent with Sun's own computing vision, Linux uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces. Sun's Solaris(TM) operating environment and Linux are both driving growth, innovation, and success of UNIX and network computing. Users, administrators, and developers who have been frustrated by proprietary operating systems appreciate the robustness, reliability, and flexibility of solutions based on open standards. Corporate managers are also attracted to open-standards-based computing environments because they can select from:
More innovative and compelling new applications. A large and growing talent pool of knowledgeable administrators and developers. A broad range of computing solutions from multiple vendors.
So this is a company that hates Linux??? I don't think so.
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Thanks. I should have thought about that possibility. But really morons like that shouldn't be allowed to do interviews because that's the kinda shit that has given so many people a bad impression of Sun.
What's up with Sun's attitude toward Linux?
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Well, first off I have to say I really love Sun (the company and technology) and think that the rap they get here on Slashdot is unfair, however...
Why the hell are they ripping on Linux all of a sudden? Isn't this the same company that purchased Star Office for Linux and is giving it away free? Isn't the same company that's helping out the apache project? Isn't this the same company that released a solid Linux Java jvm 1.2 before Windows or Solaris? Oh wait, I am on crack! But what's up? You would think they would respect Linux and its place? There's definitely a place for more than one OS in the universe, thank god! I don't think there's anyone out there, even the stauchest Linuxite that would like if Linux were the ONLY OS choice out there! I'm really surprised my Sun's apparent disdain of Linux here.
Why couldn't Microsoft sue Sun now for destroying the market for operating systems? Isn't this the same as what Microsoft did to Netscape? I'm not saying that Microsoft's not deserving (they definitely have it coming to them), but at the same time, how the hell can Microsoft possibly justify charging $250+ per license for Windows 2000 now? It really seems as if Sun is going for the juggular here. They did the same thing earlier with Star Office. But I guess that really didn't hurt Microsoft's sales of Office 2000 too badly. But I really think this might hurt Microsoft on their high-end Win2000 servers.
All we need now is for Oracle to make their dbs free and Microsoft is finished for sure!
Huh? What's this Dejavu??
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Didn't we see this exact same announcement about 2 months ago? Is there anybody here who didn't know Solaris is going to be free and open-source? Why the hell do we keep repeating the same damn news day in and day out?
Wouldn't it just be better to track the cars themselves moving? Is it really so much more difficult to mount a few radar systems up at strategic places to detect the speed of traffic? For that matter, why can't the satellites track traffic? Hell, supposedly the government can pinpoint a individual walking with one of them, so why not do something actually useful with them? Heck, why not put those "black" helicopters to use to? I know their there, keeping an eye on us, so why not product some helpful data while they are spying anyway?
Besides, all the dicks with the cell phones are the ones driving their bmw's and mercedes' shitty, driving off on the side of the road illegally and thus don't represent actually traffic anyway.
The battle may be lost, but the war is far, far from over. Keep up the good fight. Don't lose faith. Tonight I'm gonna get drunk and listen to some good jazz. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day!
Now that somebody has come along and actually started competing with them, they just can't handle. It makes me wonder the hell they're gonna try to do to transmeta!
You can audit the source code yourself for security vulnerabilities (overflows). Plus the code is audited by security hobbiest/professionals all over the world.
Well, what about the possibility of a very clever open-source developer actually adding a subtle security vulnerability intentionally while helping out on a feature or two of linux? Then when some huge ecommerce company starts using the version... BAM! He strikes and takes all the credit cards in the database or takes whatever else of value there might be to take. Does anybody know if this has ever happened or at least been tried before?
What ever happened to that office suite all in java that was supposed to revolutionize the office suite biz? It seems they are the first ones to jump on a hot market and then when they get burned the first ones to jump off. Just watch, they will be the first ones to abandon Linux if the market starts to go south.
I think you get the point of what I meant. I was only referring to FreeBSD lackies.
The guy was just asking a simple on-topic question regarding bsd and not one but two FreeBSD advocates/developers had to insult him. THAT, my friend, is NOT a very smart way to create a user base, and it is probably the reason FreeBSD has and will always be Linux's piss-poor cousin. You should learn to respect your users and try to help people out. What kinda community are you trying to create anyway? If you don't leave your elitist views behind, NO ONE will give a shit about how good your code is.
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you may want to check out this website for more info: www.xboxpc.com
It clears up many common misconceptions you have about this new console system.
X-Box does support HDTV. See the specs: X-Box Specs
Won't work. The Win2000 OS of the X-Box is on a ROM. Read the article here. It even says "Sorry, no luck for Linux Hackers."
X-Box Info from xboxpc.com
See the following detailed article from xboxpc.com based on an interview from Kevin Bachus, one of the originators of the X-Box on why the X-Box isn't anything but a game machine. It won't even have a web browser.
Microsoft Says by Any Other Name, Still Not a PC
Hey, is Inprise ever going to release Delphi for Linux. It seems like I recall they announced that quite a while ago. Boy, the platform sure could use a RAD tool like that. But it doesn't really seem like Inprise is all THAT committed to Linux. They're sorta just on the other side of the fence from Metroworks...
I can't believe what a deal this is. Get paid to surf the web.
I hate to say this, but it's true. Linux will never have a "coherent" and "structured" gui that works half as well as Windows or the Mac. It is lacking the "overseeing" brain needed to create order out of chaos. It is like a nest being built by army ants, rather than the status of David by Michelangelo. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can move onward and enjoy our "army ant" like efficiencies!
I can't believe what a deal this is. Get paid to surf the web.
Feb. 18, 2000 - Microsoft announces the availability of Windows 2000 Source Code under the new "Nopeekie" license.
According to Steve Ballmer, the "Nopeekie" license improves upon the popular GPL license, which is used by a competing operating system, Linux.
"Basically, we take the existing GPL and twist it to serve our needs, I mean our customers' needs more fully.
This is the way it works: We will be providing the source code for Windows 2000 on every cd we sell. This will please shareholders and brokers and keeps our stock price up, I mean keep our customers happy.
The "Nopeekie" protects us in the following way. Under the "Nopeekie" license, the customer is not allowed to actually look at the software. They can use the source in any manner in which they do not have to look at the source.
We knew enforcement of the "Nopeekie" license was going to be a tricky procedure. But luckily I personally came up with the winning solution.
In order to lower legal fees and improve our bottom line, our "Nopeekie" license will not be enforced in the traditional legal sense. Basically, we have negotiated a long-term contract with a fellow from New Jersey, a Mr. Soprano, to head an enforcement task team. Mr. Soprano will work directly with me in regards to this endeavor. He will hitherforth be our new Senior VP of License Enforcement and Piracy Prevention.
We immediately expect to increase our sales 50% over the next four quarters as a result of this. We also expect that 100% of our proprietary source code will remain safe in the hands of Mr. Soprano and the "Nopeekie" License."
So there you have it. It looks like a serious challenger to Linux and the GPL is stepping up to the plate, baseball bat in hand. What are you gonna do about it?
Tom S. From CNET.
Can someone explain this sig to me. I've always been curious about it, but never quite got it.
Ok, now all we need is a quake III patch to support this wonderful piece of hardware.
Imagine if you will millions of teenagers across the globe puking their guts, without alcohol being involved.
I get your point. I think you could at least argue...
#1 Microsoft's control of the OS market did not in and of itself crush Netscape.
But you must consider other factors...
#2 Microsoft making their competing product (IE) free (as in beer) actually assisted #1. #3 Once Microsoft made the "free" product better than Netscape, the nail was in the coffin.
Now, let's take the Sun to Microsoft comparison... Sun has a stranglehold on the Enterprise Server market and is using its position to take over the Server OS market.
Ok, now that I look at it, I don't think the statement above works, but anyway, I wasn't making a serious argument originally anyway.
Thanks dude for your unnecessary personal attack. Microsoft, btw, had a small % of the browser market when the made IE free and subsequently took over the market. Still not 90%, maybe 60+%. At least get your facts straight if you have the balls to insult somebody.
Sun and the Linux Community
Consistent with Sun's own computing vision, Linux uses open standards and non-proprietary interfaces. Sun's Solaris(TM) operating environment and Linux are both driving growth, innovation, and success of UNIX and network computing. Users, administrators, and developers who have been frustrated by proprietary operating systems appreciate the robustness, reliability, and flexibility of solutions based on open standards. Corporate managers are also attracted to open-standards-based computing environments because they can select from:
More innovative and compelling new applications. A large and growing talent pool of knowledgeable administrators and developers. A broad range of computing solutions from multiple vendors.
So this is a company that hates Linux??? I don't think so.
Thanks. I should have thought about that possibility. But really morons like that shouldn't be allowed to do interviews because that's the kinda shit that has given so many people a bad impression of Sun.
Well, first off I have to say I really love Sun (the company and technology) and think that the rap they get here on Slashdot is unfair, however...
Why the hell are they ripping on Linux all of a sudden? Isn't this the same company that purchased Star Office for Linux and is giving it away free? Isn't the same company that's helping out the apache project? Isn't this the same company that released a solid Linux Java jvm 1.2 before Windows or Solaris? Oh wait, I am on crack! But what's up? You would think they would respect Linux and its place? There's definitely a place for more than one OS in the universe, thank god! I don't think there's anyone out there, even the stauchest Linuxite that would like if Linux were the ONLY OS choice out there! I'm really surprised my Sun's apparent disdain of Linux here.
Why couldn't Microsoft sue Sun now for destroying the market for operating systems? Isn't this the same as what Microsoft did to Netscape? I'm not saying that Microsoft's not deserving (they definitely have it coming to them), but at the same time, how the hell can Microsoft possibly justify charging $250+ per license for Windows 2000 now? It really seems as if Sun is going for the juggular here. They did the same thing earlier with Star Office. But I guess that really didn't hurt Microsoft's sales of Office 2000 too badly. But I really think this might hurt Microsoft on their high-end Win2000 servers.
All we need now is for Oracle to make their dbs free and Microsoft is finished for sure!
Didn't we see this exact same announcement about 2 months ago? Is there anybody here who didn't know Solaris is going to be free and open-source? Why the hell do we keep repeating the same damn news day in and day out?
Wouldn't it just be better to track the cars themselves moving? Is it really so much more difficult to mount a few radar systems up at strategic places to detect the speed of traffic? For that matter, why can't the satellites track traffic? Hell, supposedly the government can pinpoint a individual walking with one of them, so why not do something actually useful with them? Heck, why not put those "black" helicopters to use to? I know their there, keeping an eye on us, so why not product some helpful data while they are spying anyway?
Besides, all the dicks with the cell phones are the ones driving their bmw's and mercedes' shitty, driving off on the side of the road illegally and thus don't represent actually traffic anyway.
The battle may be lost, but the war is far, far from over. Keep up the good fight. Don't lose faith. Tonight I'm gonna get drunk and listen to some good jazz. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day!
Wrong AC, it's you who don't care about the topic. That's why your off-topic.
Now that somebody has come along and actually started competing with them, they just can't handle. It makes me wonder the hell they're gonna try to do to transmeta!
You can audit the source code yourself for security vulnerabilities (overflows). Plus the code is audited by security hobbiest/professionals all over the world.
Well, what about the possibility of a very clever open-source developer actually adding a subtle security vulnerability intentionally while helping out on a feature or two of linux? Then when some huge ecommerce company starts using the version... BAM! He strikes and takes all the credit cards in the database or takes whatever else of value there might be to take. Does anybody know if this has ever happened or at least been tried before?
Please talk more about the bumblebees. These are the threads that make Slashdot a wonderful place!
Corel as a company seems sort of Wishy-Washy.
What ever happened to that office suite all in java that was supposed to revolutionize the office suite biz?
It seems they are the first ones to jump on a hot market and then when they get burned the first ones to jump off. Just watch, they will be the first ones to abandon Linux if the market starts to go south.
I think you get the point of what I meant. I was only referring to FreeBSD lackies.
The guy was just asking a simple on-topic question regarding bsd and not one but two FreeBSD advocates/developers had to insult him. THAT, my friend, is NOT a very smart way to create a user base, and it is probably the reason FreeBSD has and will always be Linux's piss-poor cousin. You should learn to respect your users and try to help people out. What kinda community are you trying to create anyway? If you don't leave your elitist views behind, NO ONE will give a shit about how good your code is.
Why do all you FreeBSDers come off as being such arrogant assholes?
This is not meant to be flamebait, it is just an observation.