How much licenced code can there be in the AppServer? Licenced code can be found in the MediaKit (video codecs), the OpenGL kit (SGI), maybe portions of the InterfaceKit where they draw fonts, and a few other sections. The kernel itself is dirived from XINU (buy the book in a respectable book store)
"... I didn't like the big clunky icon-y look of it, and I thought the widgets were horrible..."
Hmm? BeOS icons (32x32) look so small on anything larger than 1024x768, sometimes I wish the icons were bigger. Since BeOS uses attributes to store icon data, the BeOS community use little thumbnails as icons for pictures. Really neat! On my 19" monitor 1280x1024, I'd like to see bigger icons !!!
I think that every Mac user who has used both BeOS and the new OSX thinks that Apple made a terrible mistake by choosing NeXT over BeOS. MacOSX is so slow, its not funny. Contrast this to the responsiveness of BeOS.
I agree. A bought-out BeInc can receive the cash injection it needs to finish its OS and unleash the *perfect* OS to the world. Personally, I think that SONY is more likely to buy BeInc out than Oracle or RedHat. Sony has great plans for PS3, and every developer is not to crazy about the current PS2 API set. This is where BeOS comes in, because it has an API which can make developers wet their pants, and the new OpenGL kit is rumoured to be one of the best in the industry. There are almost no dropped frames when working in Window-ed mode compared to full-screen. And that is music to any game developers ears.
OpenSourcing BeOS will also be a good thing for the BeOS community. It will help by increasing the number of people able to work on BeOS (BeInc is to focused on IA that they cannot allocate enough engineers on BeOS). If you take OpenTracker and OpenDesktop as an example, opensourcing BeOS will improve the OS so that it becomes almost *perfect* - it still has a long way to go before it is perfect.
BeOS on the desktop, Linux as the server.
" Be has to make their customers happy." Do you know what's sad - BeInc's customers are OEM's, not the poor folk (like me) who purchased several versions of their OS.
Well, they wanted to make on OS for the 21st centuary. Its so lightweight and optimized for data throughtput, that its responsiveness is unseen on other platforms. If there is no need on this owrld for an OS designed for multiple CPU's, lightweight and efficient with a kick-ass OO API, then stop the world - I want to get off.
XINU on steroids, and kernel services are reentrant to allow multiprocessing. Every design decision was tailored to enable better throughput of data (multimedia), which literally means that they made security tradeoffs in order to enhance multimedia. As a result, you will not find anything as responsive in todays PC world. Its responsiveness is really sexy
I am a BeOS zealot
OpenSourcing BeOS is the best thing that can happen to BeOS. Not because it will be scavenged by vultures, but because all the little gripes which are preventing BeOS from being *perfect* will finally get the manpower BeInc cannot provide. The little bug which causes Opera and RealPlayer to take out the AppServer can finally get fixed. The little issue with mmap() can have manpower solving this problem. BeOS isn't perfect (*gasp*) but with extra developers pouring over the code it just can be perfect. BeInc has focused on IA, hence it cannot allocate engineers to continue working on BeOS. BeInc has opensourced some components of BeOS (OpenTracker and OpenDesktop) and they have improved immensely.
Any developer who has spent more than 5 minutes tinkering with BeOS has wet their pants. Its internals are a testament to what excellent engineering can produce. Ie to create a window and display it all you need to do is instantiate a BWindow class and show it. ie:
BWindow *myWindow = new BWindow(BRect size, "name", window_parametrs);
myWindow->Show();
To add new views, all you need to do is instantiate a BView class and append it to the window. GUI elements are equally easy to implement, and the messaging implementation is really sexy. The environment is OO based. After spending a few years with Hungarian notation and the Win32 API, you really never want to look back after trying the BeAPI.
I would love to see BeOS opensourced. All the little pesks will get fixed/implemented, and BeOS itself will be a fabulous joy to use. Its speed, footprint and efficiency are almost unparalleled in the industry today, and can provide the injection BeOS needs to become a mainstream OS.
BeOS on the desktop, Linux in the server room. A marriage made in heaven.
Reading about eternal mathematical problems reminds me of a joke I once heard.
Two baloonists (the baloon with a basket) are lost and decide to land and ask for directions. They find an elderly gentleman strolling through the countryside and land the baloon next to him.
"Excuse me, sir, can you tell us where we are?"
The gentleman crossed his arms, scrathed his head, rested his chin in his palm and then gently said - "Why, you're in a baloon." and walked off.
The two baloonists just shrugged their shoulders and took off again. Once high up in the air, one of the baloonists turned to his friend and said:
"You know, I think that the elderly gentleman was a Mathematician."
"Really, how can you tell?"
"First, he was intelligent because he thought long before answering. Second, his answer was correct. Lastly, his answer hasn't helped us at all."
Its pages like these that have made me fork out for Opera - it has two extremely useful buttons on its toolbar.
1) Dont show multimedia content on this page
2) Override document CSS with your own.
Now if they can also put in a toolbar button for Javascript and popups, I'd be in heaven.
BTW - these settings are per page basis, not system wide so your other Opera windows are still singing and dancing. Navigator had this eons ago before coming under the influence of marketting people (otherwise, Netscape would have remained the no#1 browser in Win32 world).
So everyone, have a look at Opera if you still haven't. You know the saying - things are free when your time has no value.
Have fun.
Is Chess a serious game? What about football? Yet society has no objections to glorify world class chess/football players, and all they really are are another form of entertainment. OK, so football builds physical stamina and strenght but the X-generation need a different set of skills if they're to land on mars and navigate the asteroid belt. Or guide a nanoprobe through your bloodstream.
Isn't it just simpler to include the tax in the retail price? Thats what a majority of societies do. And the receipt will show a break down of article cost/tax.
I'm quite sure that the AMD MP760 chipset (which, among other things allows SMP) will find its way into many motherboards very very soon. Serious competition will come from Abits VP6 - the successor of the famous BP6. With so many operating systems supporting SMP (W2K, *nix and my favourite BeOS), how long before SMP becomes the de-facto standard? An interesting bit of trivia for the new Linux folk - BeBoxen had a utility called Pulse which showed distributed CPU usage, with the ability to turn individual CPU's on and off in real time. The designers of the utility had a hidden IQ test in the program - which would be triggered when the user turned both CPU's off. Gee, I miss the good old days.
Re:Good Fnarg! that article is so full of shit.
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I think its time we moved on to a 64 bit file systems, journeled, database like and pervasively multithreaded. Hang on, this is a Linux forum and I'm advocating something BeOS had from day 1.
The Football World Cup in France 98 (soccer for our American breven) had this technology - some off-side rulings where analysed with this technology, but after the game. What would really be cool is if the processing power existed to do this in real time, with a 3D TV standand in process which allows the viewer to rotate the camera angle anywhere they want.
Fans of EA Sports titles have enjoyed this replay facility for over 4 years now.
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BeInc have spent $96 million overthe lats 10 years, but are virtually debt free.
How much licenced code can there be in the AppServer? Licenced code can be found in the MediaKit (video codecs), the OpenGL kit (SGI), maybe portions of the InterfaceKit where they draw fonts, and a few other sections. The kernel itself is dirived from XINU (buy the book in a respectable book store)
Have you tried LinuxPPC - its disk I/O speed is pathetic. How do you like to run a MediaOS on hardware which cannot reach its peak I/O throughput?
"... I didn't like the big clunky icon-y look of it, and I thought the widgets were horrible..." Hmm? BeOS icons (32x32) look so small on anything larger than 1024x768, sometimes I wish the icons were bigger. Since BeOS uses attributes to store icon data, the BeOS community use little thumbnails as icons for pictures. Really neat! On my 19" monitor 1280x1024, I'd like to see bigger icons !!!
I think that every Mac user who has used both BeOS and the new OSX thinks that Apple made a terrible mistake by choosing NeXT over BeOS. MacOSX is so slow, its not funny. Contrast this to the responsiveness of BeOS.
I agree. A bought-out BeInc can receive the cash injection it needs to finish its OS and unleash the *perfect* OS to the world. Personally, I think that SONY is more likely to buy BeInc out than Oracle or RedHat. Sony has great plans for PS3, and every developer is not to crazy about the current PS2 API set. This is where BeOS comes in, because it has an API which can make developers wet their pants, and the new OpenGL kit is rumoured to be one of the best in the industry. There are almost no dropped frames when working in Window-ed mode compared to full-screen. And that is music to any game developers ears.
OpenSourcing BeOS will also be a good thing for the BeOS community. It will help by increasing the number of people able to work on BeOS (BeInc is to focused on IA that they cannot allocate enough engineers on BeOS). If you take OpenTracker and OpenDesktop as an example, opensourcing BeOS will improve the OS so that it becomes almost *perfect* - it still has a long way to go before it is perfect. BeOS on the desktop, Linux as the server.
" Be has to make their customers happy." Do you know what's sad - BeInc's customers are OEM's, not the poor folk (like me) who purchased several versions of their OS.
Well, they wanted to make on OS for the 21st centuary. Its so lightweight and optimized for data throughtput, that its responsiveness is unseen on other platforms. If there is no need on this owrld for an OS designed for multiple CPU's, lightweight and efficient with a kick-ass OO API, then stop the world - I want to get off.
XINU on steroids, and kernel services are reentrant to allow multiprocessing. Every design decision was tailored to enable better throughput of data (multimedia), which literally means that they made security tradeoffs in order to enhance multimedia. As a result, you will not find anything as responsive in todays PC world. Its responsiveness is really sexy
I am a BeOS zealot OpenSourcing BeOS is the best thing that can happen to BeOS. Not because it will be scavenged by vultures, but because all the little gripes which are preventing BeOS from being *perfect* will finally get the manpower BeInc cannot provide. The little bug which causes Opera and RealPlayer to take out the AppServer can finally get fixed. The little issue with mmap() can have manpower solving this problem. BeOS isn't perfect (*gasp*) but with extra developers pouring over the code it just can be perfect. BeInc has focused on IA, hence it cannot allocate engineers to continue working on BeOS. BeInc has opensourced some components of BeOS (OpenTracker and OpenDesktop) and they have improved immensely. Any developer who has spent more than 5 minutes tinkering with BeOS has wet their pants. Its internals are a testament to what excellent engineering can produce. Ie to create a window and display it all you need to do is instantiate a BWindow class and show it. ie: BWindow *myWindow = new BWindow(BRect size, "name", window_parametrs); myWindow->Show(); To add new views, all you need to do is instantiate a BView class and append it to the window. GUI elements are equally easy to implement, and the messaging implementation is really sexy. The environment is OO based. After spending a few years with Hungarian notation and the Win32 API, you really never want to look back after trying the BeAPI. I would love to see BeOS opensourced. All the little pesks will get fixed/implemented, and BeOS itself will be a fabulous joy to use. Its speed, footprint and efficiency are almost unparalleled in the industry today, and can provide the injection BeOS needs to become a mainstream OS. BeOS on the desktop, Linux in the server room. A marriage made in heaven.
Brilliant.
I've got the retail version of OS X running on a 96Mb RevA iMac.
Funny that. My RevA iMac with 96Mb has the retail version of OS X running. The 128Mb is the recommended amount of memory. I still prefer BeOS, though.
I can imagine a recruit stumbling through the man pages trying to figure out how to change radio stations :-)
Reading about eternal mathematical problems reminds me of a joke I once heard.
Two baloonists (the baloon with a basket) are lost and decide to land and ask for directions. They find an elderly gentleman strolling through the countryside and land the baloon next to him.
"Excuse me, sir, can you tell us where we are?"
The gentleman crossed his arms, scrathed his head, rested his chin in his palm and then gently said - "Why, you're in a baloon." and walked off.
The two baloonists just shrugged their shoulders and took off again. Once high up in the air, one of the baloonists turned to his friend and said:
"You know, I think that the elderly gentleman was a Mathematician."
"Really, how can you tell?"
"First, he was intelligent because he thought long before answering. Second, his answer was correct. Lastly, his answer hasn't helped us at all."
Its pages like these that have made me fork out for Opera - it has two extremely useful buttons on its toolbar.
1) Dont show multimedia content on this page
2) Override document CSS with your own.
Now if they can also put in a toolbar button for Javascript and popups, I'd be in heaven.
BTW - these settings are per page basis, not system wide so your other Opera windows are still singing and dancing. Navigator had this eons ago before coming under the influence of marketting people (otherwise, Netscape would have remained the no#1 browser in Win32 world).
So everyone, have a look at Opera if you still haven't. You know the saying - things are free when your time has no value.
Have fun.
The Amiga's had 1/2 Meg CHIP RAM and 1/2 Meg Fast RAM (effectively the same thing).
Initially yes, but once the trainee is up to scratch you're looking at 100%+100% = 200%. Much better than 150%, no?
Is Chess a serious game? What about football? Yet society has no objections to glorify world class chess/football players, and all they really are are another form of entertainment. OK, so football builds physical stamina and strenght but the X-generation need a different set of skills if they're to land on mars and navigate the asteroid belt. Or guide a nanoprobe through your bloodstream.
Isn't it just simpler to include the tax in the retail price? Thats what a majority of societies do. And the receipt will show a break down of article cost/tax.
I'm quite sure that the AMD MP760 chipset (which, among other things allows SMP) will find its way into many motherboards very very soon. Serious competition will come from Abits VP6 - the successor of the famous BP6. With so many operating systems supporting SMP (W2K, *nix and my favourite BeOS), how long before SMP becomes the de-facto standard? An interesting bit of trivia for the new Linux folk - BeBoxen had a utility called Pulse which showed distributed CPU usage, with the ability to turn individual CPU's on and off in real time. The designers of the utility had a hidden IQ test in the program - which would be triggered when the user turned both CPU's off. Gee, I miss the good old days.
I think its time we moved on to a 64 bit file systems, journeled, database like and pervasively multithreaded. Hang on, this is a Linux forum and I'm advocating something BeOS had from day 1.
The Football World Cup in France 98 (soccer for our American breven) had this technology - some off-side rulings where analysed with this technology, but after the game. What would really be cool is if the processing power existed to do this in real time, with a 3D TV standand in process which allows the viewer to rotate the camera angle anywhere they want.
Fans of EA Sports titles have enjoyed this replay facility for over 4 years now.
Wait until Steve Jobs gets a whif of these - can you say Graphite iMac :)