I'd ideally love to have a gerber(right now I just have a leatherman clone), but the leatherman wave is a great change to the traditional leatherman, as far as grip. I tried using both one time to make chainmail, which involves using the pliers repetitively for hours - and it absolutely KILLED the hand that was using the square0-grip kind, while the hand with the wave grip was fine.
I definitely agree with most of this - you have a perfectly valid position. I don't honestly think that Unix is ready for most desktops, and I understand that the usefulness of open source is greatly diminished to non-programmers. Again, sorry for the flame...
I think the main difference between IE and NetPositive in BeOS(i don't use kde) is that IE is actually integrated into the system as opposed to just bundled. Anyone can easily remove all of Net+ or I assume, Kommander or whatever the kde browser is called. I have no problem with bundling - in some situations it is appropriate, but I think that IE's is different than what other OSes are doing.
I think that some form of moderation is a good thing - and giving users control over it is good as well. However, the system has some kinks in it. I still can't figure out why a 2 line flame I wrote that basically just dissed compaq got a score of 2, and a reasonably well-written several paragraphs explaining why I think WYSIWYG html editors aren't always bad got a score of 0, while people saying simply "wysiwyg sucks! Use a text editor!" got a score of 1.
I'm kind of hoping that things will settle down after a few weeks once the thrill of moderating wears off for the newcomers.
-lx
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Agreed. The people doing these benchmarks should watch the microsoft folks like hawks. It's not as if they've not been known to rig test results. That's probably why he's so reluctant. -lx
Well, since my ponytail makes me morally degenerate, I guess I'll have to go bald again. My moral degeneracy, nonconformity and lack of trustworthiness has been having devastating effects on my code. Apparently if I were to burn things at a refund rally, I'd get more respect... Just where is it you come from? If this is how shallow the culture using my software is, I'm afraid I'm going to have to remain arrogant. Do you realize how much of the software you use was made by _hippies_?
Now, I don't consider myself part of the Linux community, (I don't like the penguin, even)and when I heard about the windows refund, I thought it was slightly frivolous but not without basis. A little frivolity once in a while is ok with me. It got Linux a little more popularity and let people realize they have choices, which was the intent. I don't much care whether or not the general public 'takes linux seriously'. Is that what the Linux community desperately needs, to be taken seriously? They can't content themselves with just having a great OS that they like to use?
I don't necessarily even support tacking 'GNU' onto Linux - there was a very good post(somewhere around here) that made the point no one calls Windows 'Microsoft Windows 98'. RMS has been neglected, AND is rather immature and socially inept, from what I've read. Those two things are not mutually exclusive, and do not change the fact he is an outstanding programmer. One person contributing 10% of the code for an OS is quite a feat, and for that he deserves a little respect. I give him a little respect, and then happily ignore most of his rantings.
And, fyi, I did use GeOS, and still have a machine running CP/M(both of which are still being produced, btw, oddly enough).
In retrospect, I'd like to tone my previous message down a bit...I take back saying you are clueless. Windows certainly does have uses, and for many people it is appropriate. I just happen to dislike it. -lx
Sorry for being so snipey - it was unjustified flaming. I shouldn't have read that damn zdnet RMS article, it got me all pissed off about everything.:)
Anyhoo: Lotek's followup was pretty much accurate. Matt Drudge is sensationalist, doesn't check his sources, and basically runs the sleaziest news site on the net. Sadly, many people eat that kind of stuff up, as many people watch Jerry Springer, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and buy the Enquirer. He also has a huge following among Limbaugh-ites, and a lot of his news caters to that crowd.
That's why I don't like him. And that's more what my response should have been like. -lx
Wouldn't it really suck to work as an animator for Lucas? You spend months getting a little robot to whiz around, and then someone decides it interrupts continuity and throws it away? Just a thought. I hope they do better with this movie than they did with SWSE and the extra jabba scene. The things they added were horrible - and I heard that it took a whole year to do that one scene with the animated jabba! Only good thing they did was take out that annoying ewok song...
I happen to agree completely with Lotek's comments - if you don't know anything about Drudge, how do you know these comments are unjustified? WHY are you posting when you know nothing about the subject at hand? -lx
I'll tell you why 'he says that'. Because anyone who has even a beginner's knowledge of open source and security knows that one has to have root to make alterations to the os unless the system is HORRIBLY misconfigured. LAME is remarkably clueless with regards to security, and it appears you are too. What kind of person sits around, comes up with an idea they think is brilliant and new, and then when it is discovered that its completely false, keeps trying to convince others its true? He needs to accept that he wrote an essay that has no basis in reality, learn from the experience, and move on. Btw, if LAME wants to actually prove his claims, he's welcome to an account on my box, so he can perpetrate an 'inside attack'. You out there, Mettler?
Secondly, I don't care if you like integration. I don't. And once something is integrated, there's nothing I can do about it.
Third - A window manager that has the refinement of windows??? Where do you get that? Can you define the delay in milliseconds you want before a window autoraises in windows? Does windows have a decent FFM implementation? If the window manager is so refined, why does it crash and restart so often?
I personally don't care if you use windows or not, but running around defending it when you have little knowledge of computers in a forum primarily devoted to open-source software is going to do no good whatsoever. You would have better luck posting on ZDnet. -lx
and sorry for the strange numbering scheme, i'm a little agitated.:)
First off, how does cutting off one's pony tail help the image of the OSS community? I say if we all leave our ponytails, we might gain the image of reasonably intelligent and modern people who still get laid once in a while.
Second...the kernel is not the OS. RMS HAS been ripped off. He's a better programmer than Linus, did more for the OS than Linus, and is still a relative unknown.
Third...what the hell is the rest of your reply about? does this have anything to do with the discussion? -lx
I'm pretty arrogant myself. I think a lot of Unix users are. It just goes with the territory of being better than everyone else.:)
There were some truths in the article - RMS is a little bit immature sometimes. I often wish that he would have remained a programmer instead of becoming a philosopher. However, Mettler is an idiot(he puts 'Esq.' after his name!), and has mistaken well-deserved insults for 'closed-mindedness'.
What I don't understand from the article is the assumption that Unix users' undying goal is to get Unix into the mainstream. Is this true? Am I the only one that doesn't care about the proliferation of Unix? Can someone who does care explain why?
The guy is astoundingly stupid. He's basically saying that if someone got root, they could rebuild or alter the os so they could get root. Whee. I'm happy that the (gnu)Linux community has taken time out of their busy lives to insult the hell out of this guy. -lx
I don't want to read things posted by ac's, but I honestly don't care what 400 slashdot readers think of anyone's post, and I don't want articles to be hidden simply because they go against the flow, say bad things about Linux, or call someone an idiot. I don't trust slashdot readers to give me 'the cream'. How about it, rob? -lx
In fact, the only thing the statistics actually say is that, over the last decade, more old people, who tend more to be technophobes, have figured out how to use a cd player. After another 10, maybe we can get them to use a vcr... -lx(envious of your smaller BeDevID)
Since when does the radio play new music, much less cutting edge or innovative music? The only thing I listen to on the radio is talk(i feel so ashamed...). Who wants to hear your "best mix from the 70s, 80s, 90s and today"? I think with the growth of mp3, interest in pop music has declined, and that's a good thing. -lx
I agree, but the minidisk is even worse. Minidisks use mp2 format stuff, unless i'm mistaken. And one CAN tell the difference between a cd and an mp3, even a high quality one. I still buy cds because I like having the highest quality possible, and the widest portability. Plus, mp3's never have cover art or the lyrics printed inside. I'd like to use mp3 to back up my cds, but I just don't have that kind of storage space. -lx
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I'd ideally love to have a gerber(right now I just have a leatherman clone), but the leatherman wave is a great change to the traditional leatherman, as far as grip. I tried using both one time to make chainmail, which involves using the pliers repetitively for hours - and it absolutely KILLED the hand that was using the square0-grip kind, while the hand with the wave grip was fine.
-lx
I definitely agree with most of this - you have a perfectly valid position. I don't honestly think that Unix is ready for most desktops, and I understand that the usefulness of open source is greatly diminished to non-programmers. Again, sorry for the flame...
-lx
I think the main difference between IE and NetPositive in BeOS(i don't use kde) is that IE is actually integrated into the system as opposed to just bundled. Anyone can easily remove all of Net+ or I assume, Kommander or whatever the kde browser is called. I have no problem with bundling - in some situations it is appropriate, but I think that IE's is different than what other OSes are doing.
-lx
I think that some form of moderation is a good thing - and giving users control over it is good as well. However, the system has some kinks in it. I still can't figure out why a 2 line flame I wrote that basically just dissed compaq got a score of 2, and a reasonably well-written several paragraphs explaining why I think WYSIWYG html editors aren't always bad got a score of 0, while people saying simply "wysiwyg sucks! Use a text editor!" got a score of 1.
I'm kind of hoping that things will settle down after a few weeks once the thrill of moderating wears off for the newcomers.
-lx
Agreed. The people doing these benchmarks should watch the microsoft folks like hawks. It's not as if they've not been known to rig test results. That's probably why he's so reluctant.
-lx
Well, since my ponytail makes me morally degenerate, I guess I'll have to go bald again. My moral degeneracy, nonconformity and lack of trustworthiness has been having devastating effects on my code. Apparently if I were to burn things at a refund rally, I'd get more respect... Just where is it you come from? If this is how shallow the culture using my software is, I'm afraid I'm going to have to remain arrogant. Do you realize how much of the software you use was made by _hippies_?
Now, I don't consider myself part of the Linux community, (I don't like the penguin, even)and when I heard about the windows refund, I thought it was slightly frivolous but not without basis. A little frivolity once in a while is ok with me. It got Linux a little more popularity and let people realize they have choices, which was the intent. I don't much care whether or not the general public 'takes linux seriously'. Is that what the Linux community desperately needs, to be taken seriously? They can't content themselves with just having a great OS that they like to use?
I don't necessarily even support tacking 'GNU' onto Linux - there was a very good post(somewhere around here) that made the point no one calls Windows 'Microsoft Windows 98'. RMS has been neglected, AND is rather immature and socially inept, from what I've read. Those two things are not mutually exclusive, and do not change the fact he is an outstanding programmer. One person contributing 10% of the code for an OS is quite a feat, and for that he deserves a little respect. I give him a little respect, and then happily ignore most of his rantings.
And, fyi, I did use GeOS, and still have a machine running CP/M(both of which are still being produced, btw, oddly enough).
-lx
In retrospect, I'd like to tone my previous message down a bit...I take back saying you are clueless. Windows certainly does have uses, and for many people it is appropriate. I just happen to dislike it.
-lx
I always say - It's not that Linux isn't good enough for the desktop - the desktop isn't ready for Linux. :)
-lx
I take it that's a lawyer thing? :)
(good post, btw)
- Pope Lx Streetmentioner LDD, POEE, R4 (arrogant)
Sorry for being so snipey - it was unjustified flaming. I shouldn't have read that damn zdnet RMS article, it got me all pissed off about everything. :)
Anyhoo:
Lotek's followup was pretty much accurate. Matt Drudge is sensationalist, doesn't check his sources, and basically runs the sleaziest news site on the net. Sadly, many people eat that kind of stuff up, as many people watch Jerry Springer, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and buy the Enquirer. He also has a huge following among Limbaugh-ites, and a lot of his news caters to that crowd.
That's why I don't like him.
And that's more what my response should have been like.
-lx
Some of the muppets were cool tho - like the little rat-like thing in jabba's lair. :)
It had such a cute cackle.
-lx
Wouldn't it really suck to work as an animator for Lucas? You spend months getting a little robot to whiz around, and then someone decides it interrupts continuity and throws it away? Just a thought. I hope they do better with this movie than they did with SWSE and the extra jabba scene. The things they added were horrible - and I heard that it took a whole year to do that one scene with the animated jabba! Only good thing they did was take out that annoying ewok song...
:)
sigh. good heavens, i'm bored.
-lx
I happen to agree completely with Lotek's comments - if you don't know anything about Drudge, how do you know these comments are unjustified? WHY are you posting when you know nothing about the subject at hand?
-lx
I thought they were just parodying Segfault...
;)
-lx
I'll tell you why 'he says that'. Because anyone who has even a beginner's knowledge of open source and security knows that one has to have root to make alterations to the os unless the system is HORRIBLY misconfigured. LAME is remarkably clueless with regards to security, and it appears you are too. What kind of person sits around, comes up with an idea they think is brilliant and new, and then when it is discovered that its completely false, keeps trying to convince others its true? He needs to accept that he wrote an essay that has no basis in reality, learn from the experience, and move on. Btw, if LAME wants to actually prove his claims, he's welcome to an account on my box, so he can perpetrate an 'inside attack'. You out there, Mettler?
:)
Secondly, I don't care if you like integration. I don't. And once something is integrated, there's nothing I can do about it.
Third - A window manager that has the refinement of windows??? Where do you get that? Can you define the delay in milliseconds you want before a window autoraises in windows? Does windows have a decent FFM implementation? If the window manager is so refined, why does it crash and restart so often?
I personally don't care if you use windows or not, but running around defending it when you have little knowledge of computers in a forum primarily devoted to open-source software is going to do no good whatsoever. You would have better luck posting on ZDnet.
-lx
and sorry for the strange numbering scheme, i'm a little agitated.
It means that Unix is a bitch for normal people to learn how to use. Duh.
:)
-lx
First off, how does cutting off one's pony tail help the image of the OSS community? I say if we all leave our ponytails, we might gain the image of reasonably intelligent and modern people who still get laid once in a while.
Second...the kernel is not the OS. RMS HAS been ripped off. He's a better programmer than Linus, did more for the OS than Linus, and is still a relative unknown.
Third...what the hell is the rest of your reply about? does this have anything to do with the discussion?
-lx
I'm pretty arrogant myself. I think a lot of Unix users are. It just goes with the territory of being better than everyone else. :)
There were some truths in the article - RMS is a little bit immature sometimes. I often wish that he would have remained a programmer instead of becoming a philosopher. However, Mettler is an idiot(he puts 'Esq.' after his name!), and has mistaken well-deserved insults for 'closed-mindedness'.
What I don't understand from the article is the assumption that Unix users' undying goal is to get Unix into the mainstream. Is this true? Am I the only one that doesn't care about the proliferation of Unix? Can someone who does care explain why?
-lx
i think the implication was that Linus didn't read it well enough. At least, I hope it was. :)
-lx
The guy is astoundingly stupid. He's basically saying that if someone got root, they could rebuild or alter the os so they could get root. Whee. I'm happy that the (gnu)Linux community has taken time out of their busy lives to insult the hell out of this guy.
-lx
I don't want to read things posted by ac's, but I honestly don't care what 400 slashdot readers think of anyone's post, and I don't want articles to be hidden simply because they go against the flow, say bad things about Linux, or call someone an idiot. I don't trust slashdot readers to give me 'the cream'. How about it, rob?
-lx
In fact, the only thing the statistics actually say is that, over the last decade, more old people, who tend more to be technophobes, have figured out how to use a cd player. After another 10, maybe we can get them to use a vcr...
-lx(envious of your smaller BeDevID)
Since when does the radio play new music, much less cutting edge or innovative music? The only thing I listen to on the radio is talk(i feel so ashamed...). Who wants to hear your "best mix from the 70s, 80s, 90s and today"? I think with the growth of mp3, interest in pop music has declined, and that's a good thing.
-lx
No wonder my Afx/Autechre/Squarepusher imports cost so damn much! Cut that out, you guys!
-lx
I agree, but the minidisk is even worse. Minidisks use mp2 format stuff, unless i'm mistaken. And one CAN tell the difference between a cd and an mp3, even a high quality one. I still buy cds because I like having the highest quality possible, and the widest portability. Plus, mp3's never have cover art or the lyrics printed inside.
I'd like to use mp3 to back up my cds, but I just don't have that kind of storage space.
-lx