I don't care if AI is friendly or unfriendly as long as humans have "final control" over it.
You should care. What kind of AI do you think is more likely to rebel against human control? AI that is well-disposed toward humanity and genuinely grateful for the opportunity to exist and serve us, or AI that views humanity as a species of incompetent slavedrivers and complies with our demands grudgingly and under duress?
I never said we could predict an AI's behavior. However, I think we should control whatever variables we can -- such as the associations an AI develops with individual humans and the human species as a whole during its formative period. Even if we can't predict an AI's behavior or understand its thinking, I'd rather not have to live through a fucking Butlerian Jihad.:)
LessWrong AI worship(the idea of "friendly AI" was created by that site) is always so weird to me. People who imagine themselves rationalistic, atheistic, forward thinkers building their entire belief system on extrapolations from a practically impossible, mathematically questionable, philosophically flimsy literally omniscient(that somehow derives omnipotence) entity that they somehow help create almost exclusively by believing hard enough.
Cool story, bro. I don't frequent the LessWrong site or participate in that community, so I don't particularly care that the phrase came from there. Nor do I care about their beliefs.
I'll believe in the Singularity when it's happened, and not a second before. Nor am I convinced that AI as we've imagined it is possible. If we do create computer intelligence, I wouldn't be surprised if it was so alien to us that only the sort of Real Programmer who thinks in assembly language could talk to it. However, I still think that if we're going to have AI, we'd all be better off if the AIs we create aren't misanthropic assholes.
Looks more like yet another distraction to me. If an emergency vehicle is nearby, the only thing I need to know is whether it's behind me with its lights flashing. If so, I have to get the fuck out of the way. Otherwise, its presence is irrelevant.
If we want friendly AI, the key may be to ensure that the AI has more positive associations with people than neutral or negative associations. Mistreat a dog or a cat its entire life and it probably won't be friendly toward people. Mistreat people when they're young and you make it harder for them to trust others, feel a sense of community, or recognize any duty to society (which might explain why so many nerds find libertarianism appealing). Why would an AI be different?
Isn't it easier to just drive carefully, refrain from exceeding the posted speed limit by more than 5-10mph depending on whether you're in town or on a highway, stay in the right lane, avoid tailgating, and use your turn signals? The people who would find this useful are the sort of crazy asshole drivers for whom I used to keep a grenade launcher.
Unfortunately, my wife took away the M-79 I kept under the dash soon after we got married. Said it made her nervous.
In other words, don't expect fairness or justice from the universe, or from a God who is supposed to represent absolute Good. The former I can understand. The latter makes God a sadistic absentee landlord unworthy of respect, let alone worship.
However, it's my job to tell you that He did it, so you may put down your yoke now and give it to Him.
Congratulations. You're proselytizer number 65,536. That's how many demon-ridden idiots have told me about how Jesus allegedly died for my sins since I realized that I didn't believe a word of the Bible. None of them could persuade me, and you won't manage it either. Not when I've driven off Jesuits.
I don't know if you've noticed, but we have these things called the Internet and Google. Anybody who wants to learn about Jesus can find out for themselves. The whole "spread the word" issue is solved, so maybe you should focus on emulating Jesus instead of telling people about him.
Don't be an idiot. I'm not going to hurt anybody thinking I can get at God that way -- because I don't believe in God. He's imaginary as far as I'm concerned, just like all his angels, and Zeus, Odin, Isis, Astarte, Izanagi, Vishnu, and every other god and demon humans have venerated over the centuries.
I'm not your friend, and any "grief" of mine is my own concern. Bear your own cross and leave me to bear mine in peace.
Man, you just love making assumptions about people you don't know, don't you? I bet you're hilarious at parties. Or are the only parties you get to attend the ones happening in your pants?
Good for you, but I will not go to God, humbly or otherwise. Because his existence cannot be proven, I choose not to believe. Nor will I believe until I have held a gun to his head and dragged him to the Hague to stand trial for all the crimes committed in his unholy name.
Sorry to be rude, but I don't think there's any peer-reviewed scientific evidence that Meyers-Briggs is anything but pseudoscientific bullshit. I think the real problem is that teaching is a shit job. The pay sucks, the hours aren't much better, the continuing education requirements are onerous, and the job gets no respect.
What sane American would take a public school teaching position if they can get a better deal doing something else?
How many of these majority vote in GOP primaries, xfade551? I wonder if the ones who vote in primaries as well as general elections are following David Brin's advice concerning tactical voting.
I listen to the answers. I don't necessarily believe them, though. IMHO, the powers that be forfeited our trust, especially when they trot out explanations like "executive privilege" or "national security" or "market conditions".
If I was Job, and Yahweh gave me that whole "Where were you when I made the world" routine, I'd say, "That's a cop-out, and you damned well know it. If you made me in your image, then you made me capable of understanding your reasons. Explain yourself."
At which point Yahweh would probably say, "fuck this guy", and try to smite me.
But as soon as that becomes easy to do, all the troll and assholes start coming out of the woodwork. So you need a way to filter them out.. and eventually there's so many of them that doing it manually is impractical.. so then you need algorithms.. and then we're back where we started anyway.
The only algorithm we need is the whitelist. Block all incoming comms from people with whom you haven't established a mutually consensual association. If somebody sends you a friend request (to borrow Facebook's terminology) and you refuse it, that's the last you should ever hear from that person. That should stop most of the trolls and assholes, and force the determined ones to up their game by learning basic social engineering techniques, like how to impersonate decent human beings.
You'd have sounded more intelligent if you had argued that we as a society have a compelling interest in ensuring that kids grow up with a semblance of an education that outweighs their right as human beings to be free of unnecessary compulsion. Instead, you just had to start ranting.
Sir/Madam, you have been trolled. Have a nice day. *tips hat*
make being smart Cool (maybe have some sort of points system that unlocks Media for getting good grades)
Being smart as in K-4 won't be cool until being smart is cool in high school. Being smart won't be cool in high school until being smart becomes a great way to be popular and get laid. To be quite honest, I'm more likely to win the Man Booker Prize before that happens.
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You should care. What kind of AI do you think is more likely to rebel against human control? AI that is well-disposed toward humanity and genuinely grateful for the opportunity to exist and serve us, or AI that views humanity as a species of incompetent slavedrivers and complies with our demands grudgingly and under duress?
I never said we could predict an AI's behavior. However, I think we should control whatever variables we can -- such as the associations an AI develops with individual humans and the human species as a whole during its formative period. Even if we can't predict an AI's behavior or understand its thinking, I'd rather not have to live through a fucking Butlerian Jihad. :)
Cool story, bro. I don't frequent the LessWrong site or participate in that community, so I don't particularly care that the phrase came from there. Nor do I care about their beliefs.
I'll believe in the Singularity when it's happened, and not a second before. Nor am I convinced that AI as we've imagined it is possible. If we do create computer intelligence, I wouldn't be surprised if it was so alien to us that only the sort of Real Programmer who thinks in assembly language could talk to it. However, I still think that if we're going to have AI, we'd all be better off if the AIs we create aren't misanthropic assholes.
And don't broadcast your intentions.
Looks more like yet another distraction to me. If an emergency vehicle is nearby, the only thing I need to know is whether it's behind me with its lights flashing. If so, I have to get the fuck out of the way. Otherwise, its presence is irrelevant.
If we want friendly AI, the key may be to ensure that the AI has more positive associations with people than neutral or negative associations. Mistreat a dog or a cat its entire life and it probably won't be friendly toward people. Mistreat people when they're young and you make it harder for them to trust others, feel a sense of community, or recognize any duty to society (which might explain why so many nerds find libertarianism appealing). Why would an AI be different?
Skynet had an on/off switch. The problem was that people got scared, tried to shut down Skynet, and Skynet said, "Disassemble this, motherfuckers!"
Isn't it easier to just drive carefully, refrain from exceeding the posted speed limit by more than 5-10mph depending on whether you're in town or on a highway, stay in the right lane, avoid tailgating, and use your turn signals? The people who would find this useful are the sort of crazy asshole drivers for whom I used to keep a grenade launcher.
Unfortunately, my wife took away the M-79 I kept under the dash soon after we got married. Said it made her nervous.
I'd rather get a translation for "I smell bacon."
In other words, don't expect fairness or justice from the universe, or from a God who is supposed to represent absolute Good. The former I can understand. The latter makes God a sadistic absentee landlord unworthy of respect, let alone worship.
Congratulations. You're proselytizer number 65,536. That's how many demon-ridden idiots have told me about how Jesus allegedly died for my sins since I realized that I didn't believe a word of the Bible. None of them could persuade me, and you won't manage it either. Not when I've driven off Jesuits.
I don't know if you've noticed, but we have these things called the Internet and Google. Anybody who wants to learn about Jesus can find out for themselves. The whole "spread the word" issue is solved, so maybe you should focus on emulating Jesus instead of telling people about him.
Don't be an idiot. I'm not going to hurt anybody thinking I can get at God that way -- because I don't believe in God. He's imaginary as far as I'm concerned, just like all his angels, and Zeus, Odin, Isis, Astarte, Izanagi, Vishnu, and every other god and demon humans have venerated over the centuries.
I'm not your friend, and any "grief" of mine is my own concern. Bear your own cross and leave me to bear mine in peace.
Man, you just love making assumptions about people you don't know, don't you? I bet you're hilarious at parties. Or are the only parties you get to attend the ones happening in your pants?
Obedience is a suitable trait for dogs. In humans it paves the road to Auschwitz.
Good for you, but I will not go to God, humbly or otherwise. Because his existence cannot be proven, I choose not to believe. Nor will I believe until I have held a gun to his head and dragged him to the Hague to stand trial for all the crimes committed in his unholy name.
Your loss. I already trolled one AC who mistook me for an actual Randroid (instead of a recovering one).
Sorry to be rude, but I don't think there's any peer-reviewed scientific evidence that Meyers-Briggs is anything but pseudoscientific bullshit. I think the real problem is that teaching is a shit job. The pay sucks, the hours aren't much better, the continuing education requirements are onerous, and the job gets no respect.
What sane American would take a public school teaching position if they can get a better deal doing something else?
How many of these majority vote in GOP primaries, xfade551? I wonder if the ones who vote in primaries as well as general elections are following David Brin's advice concerning tactical voting.
Prove it.
I listen to the answers. I don't necessarily believe them, though. IMHO, the powers that be forfeited our trust, especially when they trot out explanations like "executive privilege" or "national security" or "market conditions".
If I was Job, and Yahweh gave me that whole "Where were you when I made the world" routine, I'd say, "That's a cop-out, and you damned well know it. If you made me in your image, then you made me capable of understanding your reasons. Explain yourself."
At which point Yahweh would probably say, "fuck this guy", and try to smite me.
Then the alternative is the irrational solution. Ever hear of the Butlerian Jihad?
The only algorithm we need is the whitelist. Block all incoming comms from people with whom you haven't established a mutually consensual association. If somebody sends you a friend request (to borrow Facebook's terminology) and you refuse it, that's the last you should ever hear from that person. That should stop most of the trolls and assholes, and force the determined ones to up their game by learning basic social engineering techniques, like how to impersonate decent human beings.
It's not your fault. The Wall Street Journal under Rupert Murdoch is a shadow of what it had been prior to its acquisition by News Corporation.
You'd have sounded more intelligent if you had argued that we as a society have a compelling interest in ensuring that kids grow up with a semblance of an education that outweighs their right as human beings to be free of unnecessary compulsion. Instead, you just had to start ranting.
Sir/Madam, you have been trolled. Have a nice day. *tips hat*
Being smart as in K-4 won't be cool until being smart is cool in high school. Being smart won't be cool in high school until being smart becomes a great way to be popular and get laid. To be quite honest, I'm more likely to win the Man Booker Prize before that happens.