I didn't say they were christian. I said they were religious zealots. Even if they weren't deists. I tend to think of any meme that is irrational and has no basis in fact as a "religion".
I believe in the ACLU, not necessarily in everything it does, but in its general idea. And is it extreme? Yup. But no more extreme than the people it is fighting.
And I have no problem with lesbians. In fact, I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body.:-)
You may very well be a troll. But I'm going to respond anyway.
First of all, why do people such as you find the need to post anonymously? If you're going to say things such as that, accusing people who actually value freedom, unlike you, of destroying the country, I would imagine the least you can do is own up to it. Or are you too scared?
That aside, I think what you said is reprehensible. This country was founded by a bunch of religious zealots. And only recently have we managed to make steps at removing ourselves from this legacy and growing up as a nation. Mark my words, our religous attitudes and irrational taboos gainst normal bodily functions are damaging this country, and have prevented it from maturing past the wishes and desires of a bunch of overly moralistic religious zealots.
The history of the Unites States, while all done and over with, is reprehensible, and I am ashamed to look back at some of the things that my ancestors and the founding fathers of this country have done. It is wrong. And although I will not apologize for the actions of my forefathers, because I had nothing to do with it, I am ashamed. And it's time we learned from our mistakes, shed our propensity for restricting the freedoms of people just because they don't believe the same things that people like you think we should, and grew up as a people.
What you tout as good and right is actually dangerous, morally wrong, in the sense that you are trying to force people to fit into your little mold by law just cause you're scared of a little freedom, and should be opposed by anyone who has the best interests of the nation and its people at stake.
Sorry, dude, there are lots of us, and we won't shut up.
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It was close enough to the way I have seen people think... close enough to the way I used to think myself... it would have been morally unconscionable for me not to respond, even if it was a troll.
That limit is only there if you allow it to be. I've been in this industry five years. I know a formidable amount of UNIX/Linux, a formidable amount about NT, and a formidable amount about macintosh's. I've programmed for all three platforms, administrated for all three, and all on live, production, user systems. All without one computer class. You know why? I wasn't afraid to jump into a task with both feet - preferably with a deadline. By the time I was done I knew what I was doing. It got to the point where the MCSE's were coming to me for advice.
Sure, if you choose to stay in one field and never try anything differently, you're right. But if you just jump into something and get it done, and if you have the oportunity to do so, well, then, you're not very limited AT ALL by your environment. You make your environment serve you.
I mean bunk as in adequately representing your skills. They don't mean anything as far as the quality of your skillset. Whether you know the stuff? Sure. But that doesn't mean you have experience.
Perhaps I should rephrase to say it this way: The certifications are absolutely worthless as a way to tell if you can solve problems or as a way to tell if you can do the job. If you want to certify that you know the stuff, bookwise... then they are very useful.
And as any college student knows, 99 percent of the time, that's all that matters to professors or employers...
There's something to this, but I think it's like this: There are the self-taught pioneers and then there are the people who learn by the book. The latter may be fully capable of doing the job but I bet wouldn't be able to hold a candle to those that were there from the beginning figuring it out on their own, solving problems, etc.
In short, yeah, it's perfectly valid to learn by book... but there is really no substitute for experience and trial by fire. It's my experience that just studying for and passing the test will NEVER be enough to give you a working knowledge of how to administrate and troubleshoot a linux machine.
Let me say it again: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR EXPERIENCE.
I am a sun certified system administrator, having taken the tests and passing and stuff. And let me say right off that I think the certifications are bunk. They have no relation to what you actually know.
But they give HR a nice little metric. Especially for people like me who do not have a college degree but lots of practical experience. And I think my career is the better for accomplishing the certification, no matter whether it means anything technically...
So do I think these certifications are a good thing? You betcha. But not because they're useful, but just because it gives us a credential that we may not otherwise be able to claim. Don't go expecting it to have any real world technical application. Just be glad there's some form of validation that HR can understand out there. And who cares who actually does the certification? Bets that HR won't... In fact, I know several MCSEs who wouldn't know a mouse when they see one... but they make more money than I do...
Just take it for what it is... something that will help you to increase your take-home pay.
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I'm guessing you must listen to that windbag Rush Limbaugh.
I am not a liberal, nor am I a conservative, nor am I a capitalist. I am a libertarian. And I am a person. And as a person I must object vehemently to almost all of your points of view.
Help people who might be in need? The horror! Oh, but I bet you'd be begging for help if you were suddenly in a position of disadvantage. I can't BELIEVE you don't have enough room in your heart to want to help people if they're down on their luck. Capitalism does work and by and large it does improve the quality of life of a large group of people, but by its very nature it is cold and heartless! People like you not only scare me, you repulse me.
Grow up and get yourself a heart. Then maybe you'll figure out that the world is not black and white, and that money is not everything.
One of the people I worked for had this philosophy: Employees are like paper clips. You bend em, twist em, then when you're done with em, you throw them out. Yes, he actually told us this.
And then when I resigned he wanted to bring me back as a contractor for three hours so he could just "abuse" me... I think he was kidding about that, but...my point? Well, I guess that you don't have to be a contractor to be abused:)
But you missed the point - that kind of certification is not necessary in a large open-sourced project such as linux. The certification that occurs is the peer review of the driver team and coders. Such certification is only necessary for those companies that insist on a closed-source driver.
And... well, if it doesn't work, it's just more work for them. And linux junkies will just go buy something that works. I've done that myself.
OK, this was my understanding: (keep in mind this is what I heard via hearsay and it may bear little to not resemblance to the truth!)
Sometime ago, the chief coder of VMS, a Dave Cutler (I think) got hired away from DEC to be the chief coder for WNT (notice that WNT is one character away from VMS). It was also my understanding that along with the coder came a bunch of the code for VMS (this is what I heard). They used it in the kernel for the first Windows NT release. But somehow they got caught - they even kept the *comments*.
So DEC struck a deal with Microsoft - you can keep using our technology *if* you port NT to Alpha.
Hence a very stable kernel, because it was essentially VMS.
Then, when 4.0 was released, some yahoos over at MS had the bright idea to start tinkering with the kernel - moving graphics calls into kernel space. IMO, I don't care what the performance gains are, that's a really BAD IDEA. But it was my understanding that the speed gains this created were offset by the instability this change introduced into the kernel. It is a documented fact that MS has been moving many things that arguably shouldn't be there into the kernel, and destabilizing it in the process. A miswrote graphics call shouldn't crash the kernel. But I digress...
Anyway, this was what I heard and my understanding. Someone knowledgable feel free to correct me. The point I'm trying to make though is that arguably MS *has* been destabilizing their kernel in order to attain nebulous performance gains. I have no doubt that the MS kernel is *reasonably* stable - read just fine for desktop or light load use. But I don't and wouldn't trust it with my mission critical stuff...
What I don't like about rambus is how they seem to be pushing it not on its merits but because it'll be good for their (Intel's) bottom line. I also don't like the thought of paying at least 4 times as much per megabyte (though that would probably equalize). I like the SDRAM just fine, thanks.
That being said, it's very heartening that it seems to have almost no support in the industry at this point. Although putting 288mb on a chip isn't a small achievement...
I could wish it'd be the same way as well, but there are some differences:
Different makes of cars require different parts. It is very rare, (although I'm not a mechanic) for two different cars from two different manufacturers to accept the same parts. Computers are not this way - in that most mainboards that are made in roughly the same time period take similar equipment.
Also, a part in a car, because it is moving, is much more susceptible to wear than the computer parts are... this makes them in more constant demand and there's much less financial incentive for car companies to cut the prices on them. In fact, I've noticed that most parts get more expensive the older the car gets. Just because the car gets older doesn't mean the part's not going to be in demand.
Back to your original point, I wish it were the same, too. Then I could buy a 1970 'vette for about $50.
Oh well, enough of my blabbing for now. This is more appropriate than ever, but... your mileage may vary. I could be completely wrong.
I personally don't build kernels to be small, I build them to be functional. I really dislike modular code and on "production" machines I even build the kernels without module support at all. It just makes things easier.
That being said, I bet you could build them damned small. But you know, I bet the core kernel code for windows NT is small too. It's the stuff they build around it that sucks.
Windows NT, from what I understand, is basically a modified VMS kernel, at least in 3.1 or 3.51. Notice how the kernel destabilized the further away you got from that release? As I understand it, it's because the Windows coders started to tinker around in the kernel and destabilized it.
Maybe we could get an open source programmer to write the nputils kit... with:
NPU - newspaper pages used DU - DU but in newspaper pages FREE - free but in newspaper pages
Wouldn't we also have to rewrite the/proc filesystem code?
Offtopic, while I write this, I'm watching an ancient "I've got a secret" and there is a whole line of fat guys in ballet suits dancing ballet to the "nurcracker suite"... talk about surreal...
Since you are commenting on the comments, has anyone noticed how damned FUNNY some of those "trolling" comments are in this article? Some of those responses to the trolls have almost had me falling off my chair laughing...
Not to encourage them or anything... still, I couldn't help but notice...
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Yes, finally, your cover is blown!!!
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Hey, man, chill! You're beginning to sound more than a little paranoid at this point...
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I didn't say they were christian. I said they were religious zealots. Even if they weren't deists. I tend to think of any meme that is irrational and has no basis in fact as a "religion".
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
I believe in the ACLU, not necessarily in everything it does, but in its general idea. And is it extreme? Yup. But no more extreme than the people it is fighting.
And I have no problem with lesbians. In fact, I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. :-)
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
OK, dude, run, don't walk, to your nearest friendly institution, and tell them you need something to CHILL OUT...
They can give you pills that will make it all better...
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You may very well be a troll. But I'm going to respond anyway.
First of all, why do people such as you find the need to post anonymously? If you're going to say things such as that, accusing people who actually value freedom, unlike you, of destroying the country, I would imagine the least you can do is own up to it. Or are you too scared?
That aside, I think what you said is reprehensible. This country was founded by a bunch of religious zealots. And only recently have we managed to make steps at removing ourselves from this legacy and growing up as a nation. Mark my words, our religous attitudes and irrational taboos gainst normal bodily functions are damaging this country, and have prevented it from maturing past the wishes and desires of a bunch of overly moralistic religious zealots.
The history of the Unites States, while all done and over with, is reprehensible, and I am ashamed to look back at some of the things that my ancestors and the founding fathers of this country have done. It is wrong. And although I will not apologize for the actions of my forefathers, because I had nothing to do with it, I am ashamed. And it's time we learned from our mistakes, shed our propensity for restricting the freedoms of people just because they don't believe the same things that people like you think we should, and grew up as a people.
What you tout as good and right is actually dangerous, morally wrong, in the sense that you are trying to force people to fit into your little mold by law just cause you're scared of a little freedom, and should be opposed by anyone who has the best interests of the nation and its people at stake.
Sorry, dude, there are lots of us, and we won't shut up.
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
It was close enough to the way I have seen people think... close enough to the way I used to think myself... it would have been morally unconscionable for me not to respond, even if it was a troll.
So, not stupid. Calculated.
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That limit is only there if you allow it to be. I've been in this industry five years. I know a formidable amount of UNIX/Linux, a formidable amount about NT, and a formidable amount about macintosh's. I've programmed for all three platforms, administrated for all three, and all on live, production, user systems. All without one computer class. You know why? I wasn't afraid to jump into a task with both feet - preferably with a deadline. By the time I was done I knew what I was doing. It got to the point where the MCSE's were coming to me for advice.
Sure, if you choose to stay in one field and never try anything differently, you're right. But if you just jump into something and get it done, and if you have the oportunity to do so, well, then, you're not very limited AT ALL by your environment. You make your environment serve you.
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
I mean bunk as in adequately representing your skills. They don't mean anything as far as the quality of your skillset. Whether you know the stuff? Sure. But that doesn't mean you have experience.
Perhaps I should rephrase to say it this way: The certifications are absolutely worthless as a way to tell if you can solve problems or as a way to tell if you can do the job. If you want to certify that you know the stuff, bookwise... then they are very useful.
And as any college student knows, 99 percent of the time, that's all that matters to professors or employers...
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
There's something to this, but I think it's like this: There are the self-taught pioneers and then there are the people who learn by the book. The latter may be fully capable of doing the job but I bet wouldn't be able to hold a candle to those that were there from the beginning figuring it out on their own, solving problems, etc.
In short, yeah, it's perfectly valid to learn by book... but there is really no substitute for experience and trial by fire. It's my experience that just studying for and passing the test will NEVER be enough to give you a working knowledge of how to administrate and troubleshoot a linux machine.
Let me say it again: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR EXPERIENCE.
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
I am a sun certified system administrator, having taken the tests and passing and stuff. And let me say right off that I think the certifications are bunk. They have no relation to what you actually know.
But they give HR a nice little metric. Especially for people like me who do not have a college degree but lots of practical experience. And I think my career is the better for accomplishing the certification, no matter whether it means anything technically...
So do I think these certifications are a good thing? You betcha. But not because they're useful, but just because it gives us a credential that we may not otherwise be able to claim. Don't go expecting it to have any real world technical application. Just be glad there's some form of validation that HR can understand out there. And who cares who actually does the certification? Bets that HR won't... In fact, I know several MCSEs who wouldn't know a mouse when they see one... but they make more money than I do...
Just take it for what it is... something that will help you to increase your take-home pay.
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
I'm guessing you must listen to that windbag Rush Limbaugh.
I am not a liberal, nor am I a conservative, nor am I a capitalist. I am a libertarian. And I am a person. And as a person I must object vehemently to almost all of your points of view.
Help people who might be in need? The horror! Oh, but I bet you'd be begging for help if you were suddenly in a position of disadvantage. I can't BELIEVE you don't have enough room in your heart to want to help people if they're down on their luck. Capitalism does work and by and large it does improve the quality of life of a large group of people, but by its very nature it is cold and heartless! People like you not only scare me, you repulse me.
Grow up and get yourself a heart. Then maybe you'll figure out that the world is not black and white, and that money is not everything.
If you can't figure out how to mail me, don't.
I don't want to say casually. I'll say the company is in Beaverton, OR, and is a CLEC. Any more information, please email me.
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One of the people I worked for had this philosophy: Employees are like paper clips. You bend em, twist em, then when you're done with em, you throw them out. Yes, he actually told us this.
And then when I resigned he wanted to bring me back as a contractor for three hours so he could just "abuse" me... I think he was kidding about that, but...my point? Well, I guess that you don't have to be a contractor to be abused :)
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You know, the sad thing is... this makes sense and I agree. What is the world coming to!!!
Well cept for the girl next door part. I think they're all married.
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Sad. These displays will get more head than I will... :)
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But you missed the point - that kind of certification is not necessary in a large open-sourced project such as linux. The certification that occurs is the peer review of the driver team and coders. Such certification is only necessary for those companies that insist on a closed-source driver.
And... well, if it doesn't work, it's just more work for them. And linux junkies will just go buy something that works. I've done that myself.
So honestly I think that's a moot point...
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hence my many disclaimers.
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OK, this was my understanding: (keep in mind this is what I heard via hearsay and it may bear little to not resemblance to the truth!)
Sometime ago, the chief coder of VMS, a Dave Cutler (I think) got hired away from DEC to be the chief coder for WNT (notice that WNT is one character away from VMS). It was also my understanding that along with the coder came a bunch of the code for VMS (this is what I heard). They used it in the kernel for the first Windows NT release. But somehow they got caught - they even kept the *comments*.
So DEC struck a deal with Microsoft - you can keep using our technology *if* you port NT to Alpha.
Hence a very stable kernel, because it was essentially VMS.
Then, when 4.0 was released, some yahoos over at MS had the bright idea to start tinkering with the kernel - moving graphics calls into kernel space. IMO, I don't care what the performance gains are, that's a really BAD IDEA. But it was my understanding that the speed gains this created were offset by the instability this change introduced into the kernel. It is a documented fact that MS has been moving many things that arguably shouldn't be there into the kernel, and destabilizing it in the process. A miswrote graphics call shouldn't crash the kernel. But I digress...
Anyway, this was what I heard and my understanding. Someone knowledgable feel free to correct me. The point I'm trying to make though is that arguably MS *has* been destabilizing their kernel in order to attain nebulous performance gains. I have no doubt that the MS kernel is *reasonably* stable - read just fine for desktop or light load use. But I don't and wouldn't trust it with my mission critical stuff...
Anyway, this has ended up offtopic...
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What I don't like about rambus is how they seem to be pushing it not on its merits but because it'll be good for their (Intel's) bottom line. I also don't like the thought of paying at least 4 times as much per megabyte (though that would probably equalize). I like the SDRAM just fine, thanks.
That being said, it's very heartening that it seems to have almost no support in the industry at this point. Although putting 288mb on a chip isn't a small achievement...
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Different makes of cars require different parts. It is very rare, (although I'm not a mechanic) for two different cars from two different manufacturers to accept the same parts. Computers are not this way - in that most mainboards that are made in roughly the same time period take similar equipment.
Also, a part in a car, because it is moving, is much more susceptible to wear than the computer parts are... this makes them in more constant demand and there's much less financial incentive for car companies to cut the prices on them. In fact, I've noticed that most parts get more expensive the older the car gets. Just because the car gets older doesn't mean the part's not going to be in demand.
Back to your original point, I wish it were the same, too. Then I could buy a 1970 'vette for about $50.
Oh well, enough of my blabbing for now. This is more appropriate than ever, but... your mileage may vary. I could be completely wrong.
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I personally don't build kernels to be small, I build them to be functional. I really dislike modular code and on "production" machines I even build the kernels without module support at all. It just makes things easier.
That being said, I bet you could build them damned small. But you know, I bet the core kernel code for windows NT is small too. It's the stuff they build around it that sucks.
Windows NT, from what I understand, is basically a modified VMS kernel, at least in 3.1 or 3.51. Notice how the kernel destabilized the further away you got from that release? As I understand it, it's because the Windows coders started to tinker around in the kernel and destabilized it.
Just my $.02
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shouldn't that be:
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for Newspaper Pages Used?
Maybe we could get an open source programmer to write the nputils kit... with:
NPU - newspaper pages used
DU - DU but in newspaper pages
FREE - free but in newspaper pages
Wouldn't we also have to rewrite the /proc filesystem code?
Offtopic, while I write this, I'm watching an ancient "I've got a secret" and there is a whole line of fat guys in ballet suits dancing ballet to the "nurcracker suite"... talk about surreal...
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Since you are commenting on the comments, has anyone noticed how damned FUNNY some of those "trolling" comments are in this article? Some of those responses to the trolls have almost had me falling off my chair laughing...
Not to encourage them or anything... still, I couldn't help but notice...
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I thought it was so funny I laughed out loud. To each his own, but don't go trashing other people's sense of humor just cause you don't get it, k?
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