Aren't they international? Of course I don't know how great their mb/cpu selection is (I just got a router from them). Well, anyway, good luck!
Another idea, and maybe one easier to swing where you are, would be to get a K6-2/3 chip (provided your MB is one of those super7 boards (socket 7, up to 100 fsb if the term isn't familiar)), that could give you a factor of two or more increase in cpu speed. --
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You might have better luck with one of the new portable cd players coming out that also play mp3 cd(r/rw)s. True the display probably sucks more, but then OTOH the sound is probably better and you can cram way more onto a cdr(w) than you can for even the largest CF/SD card, for a vanishingly small fraction of the price.
I just saw one of these beasts at Radio Shack the other day, damn if I can recall the name of it or how much it was though. (And if there are always the laptop-hd-in-pretty-case things (c.f. thinkgeek) too.)
Of course the ideal would be a mobile phone with better sound chips, blazing fast wireless ethernet, and your own personal WAPish-interface streaming MP3 server...;-) "Yeah, all 120 gigs of mp3s are available through my phone..."
a) printf statements and I/O inside loops in a performance benchmark? hello, McFly... you aren't really testing the compiler there.
b) gcc only as source??? (see your installation media for any free unix to get binaries, cygwin for win32, etc. etc. GNU may only distribute source but other folks can and do distribute binaries, and I'm sure gcc 3.0 binaries will be released for your platform of choice Real Soon Now)
c) FP perf: what do those numbers mean? There is no explanation given of how they're arrived at or what scale they're on. "Naked numbers unlike naked ladies aren't terribly interesting."
d) Ease of Use/Installation: Totally subjective and totally irrelevant to the merits of the compiler. Just because a preteen could install VC++ doesn't make it's code any better.
e) "overhyped","not ready" gcc: ok, so you're a troll. Just try not to be flaming stupid while you're at it. If it isn't ready then why is the operating system I'm using to type this reply on built with it? Is gcc the best compiler ever, well, no, there's no such thing. Frankly I wish gcc supported something more recent in the fortran family than F77 (not that I like Fortran per se but as a scientific coder it's sort of common and stuff).
But if you did, try GNU Zebra as a nice alternative for all your heavy-duty rouing needs. (GNU Zebra homepage: http://www.zebra.org, site seems to be down at the moment)
And that proto for main is in very widespread usage. Maybe the standard says different and it's just all the compiler makers and C++ book writers that are "wrong", heh. Maybe the compilers silently turn void return in to int return 0. Maybe C++ just sucks.;-)
I've administered both NT and Unix platforms (including the pricey proprietary ones). Unix wins on TCO, in my expereience, and it's no contest if it's x86 hardware unix.
Why? Business requires a certain minimum level of functionality from their servers, some level such that the temptation to go back to paper and pencils isn't a factor, which varies from business to business and from usage to usage. In order to reliably meet a given level of functionality (performance or stability), I have found that pretty much without fail NT required more machines and more powerful machines (== more expensive machines) to meet that limit than Unix did. More machines means more admins. More machines and more admins mean more cost.
This is not to say that NT goes down every five minutes. But in order to keep one NT server up even approximately as long as a Unix machine, I find that I must restrict it to doing just one service at a time (i.e. just mail, or just file serving, or just web, or just DB, etc.); whereas on a Unix machine I can frequently roll several services onto one machine with no significant drop in performance or reliability.
I am not an Open Source zealot. I am a pragmatist, and I only evaluate the tools I use based on how well they meet my or my client's needs. Microsoft simply does not provide good tools to run mission-critical services on, however "cost effective" they may be.
Yes. They already are. The suits just don't know about it yet.
Example: I work for an IT consultancy shop in $SOUTHERN_US_STATE. A large part of our business comes from @BIG_OIL_COMPANYS. Something like 90% of the code we write for them is in perl (even if half the time it's ActivePerl on NeanderthalTechnology(<-- 'Oog write operating system. Oog like color blue')).
Most of the time, clients couldn't POSSIBLY care less about whether tech FOO or tech BAR is used, open or closed, as long as it lets them do what they need to do. Becuase, let's face it, if they cared about this crap they'd do it for a living instead of whatever it is they do now.
Yeah, that was a brain fart, I meant the 760MP. If you follow the search link you will indeed find that the Tyan board is dual cpu.:-) Word on the grapevine is that Tyan will be the first manufacturer of these beasts. --
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Seems the 760 chipset is already available on the street: ugly pricewatch.com search query for the Tyan S2462. Price is about 580 give or take 20 it seems. (Of those shops I've actually directly dealt with essencom.com a few times; they seem to be a nice, reputable shop.)
(This suprised me as I thought what I've been seeing around the past few days were just beta boards.)
I wonder how long it will be until places like VA Linux and Penguin Computers have dual-athlon rackmount servers and deskside workstations for sale?:-)
Very true. It seems that the same problem infests used Unix machines and networking hardware as well. A specific example is the price of a used, decently appointed Cisco 2501 router. These usually end in the $700 - 1250 range from what I've seen, and for Christ's sake, the damn things are older than dirt. Strom Thurmond probably used one when he was in junior high.;-) The reason why is all the clueless people trying to get one for CCNx studies (and for what the 2501s sometimes go for, you could get a new 1600R/1700 series router and almost a 261x series router used). Another would be people bidding on Sparc 5's like crazy, paying 5 and 6 hundred american dollars for them, when for the same price or even a hair less they could get a (much better IMHO, even if it is uglier) Ultra 1.
it's right here on swift-tools.com (SWF-->SWiFt). For the link wary that's http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ . The site has all sorts of other cool SWF-based tools too (like an analog of Generator that doesn't cost 20 bajillion dollars per CPU, I think it's free if you display the little link button, US$100 otherwise). --
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But at the same time, he could just as well have been saying that the success of Microsoft is due to Gates having a bad haircut, and that every CEO/founder/President should have a bad haircut.
I think it was that awful blue sweater he wore in the DOS->Win16 days. "No Bill! Damnit, ok, we'll bundle your stupid crap with our machines if you'll just stop wearing that fucking sweater to our offices!"
On a funny note, it's probably so people couldn't post derogatory statements about slashcode (pre-bender) that had examples in them (I finally figured out what $S is but wtf is $I?).
On a not-so-funny note, it's not just that "junk" chars are verboten, but the lack of a 'pre' or 'code' tag with which to meaningfully render code is a real bummer. Especially in this section, a priori a code-focused one. I'd propose relaxing the restrictions on 'code' or 'pre' here but I'm sure it would be a pain to implement[1].
[1] yeah, yeah. trolls abusing it for page screwage. cry me a river, and while you're at it just set threshold = [1.. 3].;-)
The test was run on SGI hardware. Even though it's intel, it's still SGI. I love the SGI hardware I've been exposed to, but you have to go into it with the knowledge and acceptance of the plain fact that you will pay out the nose for it and maybe a few other orfii too if the sales weasel is being efficient that day. At least they have the decency to make their uberexpensive machines look nice.
So while the OS was free, the hardware was cost++. (think about it man, 16 p!!! zeons alone...)
No actually I didn't know that. Thanks for replying, I may have to look at python again. (I suspected the semicolon was redundant but after hacking in C long enough it's sort of an instinct;-) ). --
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Heck, I'd by a box like that just to run BeOS on.:-) And since the thermal characteristics of the ppc's are nice, I bet those guys would make great little firewalls with OpenBSD (or heck, 1U machines in general).
I'm assuming those boards take "normal" sdram and I/O connectors (hd, mouse, kb)?
Just my two cents, becuase I think that having a central print magazine coming out every month is a really strengthening thing for a "marginalized" community (e.g. what the linux journal did/does for the linux community). I say "marginalized" from the standpoint that python is a much smaller community than, say, java.
My other four cents worth would be a) something besides whitespace for block indentation (by that I mean let me use {} if I want to, and I do, if for no other reason that when I'm 5 levels deep and want to write something like
someProperlyAndDescriptivelyNamedVariable = somObjectWithAnotherLongAndDescriptiveName.aMethod WithSimilarlyLongAndDescriptiveName(someObviouslyN amedParameters,someOtherObject.someOtherMethod()); it's running off the side of a normal xterm real quick) and b) constructing a CPAN equiv. (addressed by posts above, so thats minus two cents).
The method of paper-borne packet transmission should be updated to take advantage of today's advances in airborne transmission media. Specifically, liquid or solid propellant rockets. Given the possibility of packet loss due to negative in-flight uncontrolled combustion events, this would best be paired with UDP.
The MTU of the media is also selectively adaptable by adjusting the size of the rocket device. As a specific example, ping packets with the size parameter used to max out the packet data payload would of course need larger rockets. This is perhaps appropriate given the designation of "ping of death" sometimes applied to large ping packets.
findable in any physical chemistry text (usually in the first chapter (maybe second) dealing with quantum). The nice thing about it is that it would be "tunable" for the subject's pain threshold, and it has cool greek letters in it (I say tunable because the form of the Hamiltonian operator depends on what dimensionality system yer lookin' at (hint: if they like to pour hot wax on themselves for kicks give them the 3d polar coordinates version, which expands quite a bit with that lambda thingy (the Lambertian? something like that, I can never recall the name) that ends up in the Hamiltonian).
But make sure they understand what the equation means, like a previous poster said. Covering yourself with Greek gibberish is just as bad as the fools that had the Hip'n'Trendy(TM) Kanji tats done when they don't speak Japanese. I've thought about getting my fav russian quote done, but that's only becuase I'd know if the tattoo artist decided to write "I am a stupid American" rather than "pravda harasho, a chaste luche[1]", which is not idle speculation as a local shop had/has a big flashy kanji tat offering that translates as "I have no fucking clue what this means becuase I'm an idiot." according to my Japanese-speaking friends.
[1] "The truth is good, but happiness is better.", and what I wrote up there is of course just a mangling of english letters to sort of produce the same sounds as the cyrillic/russian words.
:-) unless there's something in the newer stuff you can't live without. and 6.2 is hardly ancient tech. for the binaries try running them individually to see what they say (and then running "strace binaryname" to see what they are _doing_ when they say what they say, and "ldd binaryname" to see what (dynamic) libs it wants (is ldd just dynlibs? seems to make sense but I don't recall and it's 4am so I can't be buggered to go find out)). This may require a good bit of spelunking on your part to fix, but that's the joy of unix. One good source of rpms is rpmfind.net (aka rufus.w3.org), for all your obscure rpm-finding needs. --
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I was trying to point out that in the public domain, copyright does not (really, see unique performance thing) apply. I meant "fair use" as in "use that is fair" as in "use that doesn't break any other laws", not "Fair Use as defined as specific outs when something is copyrighted". So it looks like it is you who is holding the directionally challenged portion of a fibrous tree growth structure.;-) In any case, my point is only salient to music in the PD, if they made a Ringtone or whatever of "Oops! I did it again!" by future porn star Brittany Spears (god forbid), of course that would probably not be Fair Use. --
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Aren't they international? Of course I don't know how great their mb/cpu selection is (I just got a router from them). Well, anyway, good luck! Another idea, and maybe one easier to swing where you are, would be to get a K6-2/3 chip (provided your MB is one of those super7 boards (socket 7, up to 100 fsb if the term isn't familiar)), that could give you a factor of two or more increase in cpu speed.
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You might have better luck with one of the new portable cd players coming out that also play mp3 cd(r/rw)s. True the display probably sucks more, but then OTOH the sound is probably better and you can cram way more onto a cdr(w) than you can for even the largest CF/SD card, for a vanishingly small fraction of the price.
I just saw one of these beasts at Radio Shack the other day, damn if I can recall the name of it or how much it was though. (And if there are always the laptop-hd-in-pretty-case things (c.f. thinkgeek) too.)
Of course the ideal would be a mobile phone with better sound chips, blazing fast wireless ethernet, and your own personal WAPish-interface streaming MP3 server... ;-) "Yeah, all 120 gigs of mp3s are available through my phone..."
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well, I do know about them, I just omitted the "use namespace std;" bit because I was feeling lazy ;-)
thanks for the url, btw.
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a) printf statements and I/O inside loops in a performance benchmark? hello, McFly... you aren't really testing the compiler there.
b) gcc only as source??? (see your installation media for any free unix to get binaries, cygwin for win32, etc. etc. GNU may only distribute source but other folks can and do distribute binaries, and I'm sure gcc 3.0 binaries will be released for your platform of choice Real Soon Now)
c) FP perf: what do those numbers mean? There is no explanation given of how they're arrived at or what scale they're on. "Naked numbers unlike naked ladies aren't terribly interesting."
d) Ease of Use/Installation: Totally subjective and totally irrelevant to the merits of the compiler. Just because a preteen could install VC++ doesn't make it's code any better.
e) "overhyped","not ready" gcc: ok, so you're a troll. Just try not to be flaming stupid while you're at it. If it isn't ready then why is the operating system I'm using to type this reply on built with it? Is gcc the best compiler ever, well, no, there's no such thing. Frankly I wish gcc supported something more recent in the fortran family than F77 (not that I like Fortran per se but as a scientific coder it's sort of common and stuff).
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You don't want BGP.
But if you did, try GNU Zebra as a nice alternative for all your heavy-duty rouing needs. (GNU Zebra homepage: http://www.zebra.org, site seems to be down at the moment)
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Umm, ok. Then why does this work:
#include <iostream>void main() {
cout << "Howdy, y'all!" << endl;
}
And that proto for main is in very widespread usage. Maybe the standard says different and it's just all the compiler makers and C++ book writers that are "wrong", heh. Maybe the compilers silently turn void return in to int return 0. Maybe C++ just sucks. ;-)
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I _think_ it can be either int main() or void main() or main() (which the compiler takes as void main() ).
But then I hack perl and C, not C++. :-) I'd check but I don't have a c++ compiler handy at the moment.
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I've administered both NT and Unix platforms (including the pricey proprietary ones). Unix wins on TCO, in my expereience, and it's no contest if it's x86 hardware unix.
Why? Business requires a certain minimum level of functionality from their servers, some level such that the temptation to go back to paper and pencils isn't a factor, which varies from business to business and from usage to usage. In order to reliably meet a given level of functionality (performance or stability), I have found that pretty much without fail NT required more machines and more powerful machines (== more expensive machines) to meet that limit than Unix did. More machines means more admins. More machines and more admins mean more cost.
This is not to say that NT goes down every five minutes. But in order to keep one NT server up even approximately as long as a Unix machine, I find that I must restrict it to doing just one service at a time (i.e. just mail, or just file serving, or just web, or just DB, etc.); whereas on a Unix machine I can frequently roll several services onto one machine with no significant drop in performance or reliability.
I am not an Open Source zealot. I am a pragmatist, and I only evaluate the tools I use based on how well they meet my or my client's needs. Microsoft simply does not provide good tools to run mission-critical services on, however "cost effective" they may be.
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Sort of like the god-and-nazis Usenet rule, as soon as the phrase "Set Top Box(es)" is uttered in a headline...
(Well, some of the subsections already have the WiReD color-scheme-cum-retinal-damage thing going on.)
:-) Kill your TV, and the box sitting on top of it.
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Yes. They already are. The suits just don't know about it yet.
Example: I work for an IT consultancy shop in $SOUTHERN_US_STATE. A large part of our business comes from @BIG_OIL_COMPANYS. Something like 90% of the code we write for them is in perl (even if half the time it's ActivePerl on NeanderthalTechnology(<-- 'Oog write operating system. Oog like color blue')).
Most of the time, clients couldn't POSSIBLY care less about whether tech FOO or tech BAR is used, open or closed, as long as it lets them do what they need to do. Becuase, let's face it, if they cared about this crap they'd do it for a living instead of whatever it is they do now.
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Yeah, that was a brain fart, I meant the 760MP. If you follow the search link you will indeed find that the Tyan board is dual cpu. :-) Word on the grapevine is that Tyan will be the first manufacturer of these beasts.
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Seems the 760 chipset is already available on the street: ugly pricewatch.com search query for the Tyan S2462. Price is about 580 give or take 20 it seems. (Of those shops I've actually directly dealt with essencom.com a few times; they seem to be a nice, reputable shop.)
(This suprised me as I thought what I've been seeing around the past few days were just beta boards.)
I wonder how long it will be until places like VA Linux and Penguin Computers have dual-athlon rackmount servers and deskside workstations for sale? :-)
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Very true. It seems that the same problem infests used Unix machines and networking hardware as well. A specific example is the price of a used, decently appointed Cisco 2501 router. These usually end in the $700 - 1250 range from what I've seen, and for Christ's sake, the damn things are older than dirt. Strom Thurmond probably used one when he was in junior high. ;-) The reason why is all the clueless people trying to get one for CCNx studies (and for what the 2501s sometimes go for, you could get a new 1600R/1700 series router and almost a 261x series router used). Another would be people bidding on Sparc 5's like crazy, paying 5 and 6 hundred american dollars for them, when for the same price or even a hair less they could get a (much better IMHO, even if it is uglier) Ultra 1.
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it's right here on swift-tools.com (SWF-->SWiFt). For the link wary that's http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ . The site has all sorts of other cool SWF-based tools too (like an analog of Generator that doesn't cost 20 bajillion dollars per CPU, I think it's free if you display the little link button, US$100 otherwise).
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I think it was that awful blue sweater he wore in the DOS->Win16 days. "No Bill! Damnit, ok, we'll bundle your stupid crap with our machines if you'll just stop wearing that fucking sweater to our offices!"
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On a funny note, it's probably so people couldn't post derogatory statements about slashcode (pre-bender) that had examples in them (I finally figured out what $S is but wtf is $I?).
On a not-so-funny note, it's not just that "junk" chars are verboten, but the lack of a 'pre' or 'code' tag with which to meaningfully render code is a real bummer. Especially in this section, a priori a code-focused one. I'd propose relaxing the restrictions on 'code' or 'pre' here but I'm sure it would be a pain to implement[1].
[1] yeah, yeah. trolls abusing it for page screwage. cry me a river, and while you're at it just set threshold = [1 .. 3]. ;-)
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The test was run on SGI hardware. Even though it's intel, it's still SGI. I love the SGI hardware I've been exposed to, but you have to go into it with the knowledge and acceptance of the plain fact that you will pay out the nose for it and maybe a few other orfii too if the sales weasel is being efficient that day. At least they have the decency to make their uberexpensive machines look nice.
So while the OS was free, the hardware was cost++. (think about it man, 16 p!!! zeons alone ...)
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No actually I didn't know that. Thanks for replying, I may have to look at python again. (I suspected the semicolon was redundant but after hacking in C long enough it's sort of an instinct ;-) ).
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Heck, I'd by a box like that just to run BeOS on. :-) And since the thermal characteristics of the ppc's are nice, I bet those guys would make great little firewalls with OpenBSD (or heck, 1U machines in general).
I'm assuming those boards take "normal" sdram and I/O connectors (hd, mouse, kb)?
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Just my two cents, becuase I think that having a central print magazine coming out every month is a really strengthening thing for a "marginalized" community (e.g. what the linux journal did/does for the linux community). I say "marginalized" from the standpoint that python is a much smaller community than, say, java.
My other four cents worth would be a) something besides whitespace for block indentation (by that I mean let me use {} if I want to, and I do, if for no other reason that when I'm 5 levels deep and want to write something liked WithSimilarlyLongAndDescriptiveName(someObviouslyN amedParameters,someOtherObject.someOtherMethod());
someProperlyAndDescriptivelyNamedVariable = somObjectWithAnotherLongAndDescriptiveName.aMetho
it's running off the side of a normal xterm real quick) and b) constructing a CPAN equiv. (addressed by posts above, so thats minus two cents).
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The method of paper-borne packet transmission should be updated to take advantage of today's advances in airborne transmission media. Specifically, liquid or solid propellant rockets. Given the possibility of packet loss due to negative in-flight uncontrolled combustion events, this would best be paired with UDP.
The MTU of the media is also selectively adaptable by adjusting the size of the rocket device. As a specific example, ping packets with the size parameter used to max out the packet data payload would of course need larger rockets. This is perhaps appropriate given the designation of "ping of death" sometimes applied to large ping packets.
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findable in any physical chemistry text (usually in the first chapter (maybe second) dealing with quantum). The nice thing about it is that it would be "tunable" for the subject's pain threshold, and it has cool greek letters in it (I say tunable because the form of the Hamiltonian operator depends on what dimensionality system yer lookin' at (hint: if they like to pour hot wax on themselves for kicks give them the 3d polar coordinates version, which expands quite a bit with that lambda thingy (the Lambertian? something like that, I can never recall the name) that ends up in the Hamiltonian).
But make sure they understand what the equation means, like a previous poster said. Covering yourself with Greek gibberish is just as bad as the fools that had the Hip'n'Trendy(TM) Kanji tats done when they don't speak Japanese. I've thought about getting my fav russian quote done, but that's only becuase I'd know if the tattoo artist decided to write "I am a stupid American" rather than "pravda harasho, a chaste luche[1]", which is not idle speculation as a local shop had/has a big flashy kanji tat offering that translates as "I have no fucking clue what this means becuase I'm an idiot." according to my Japanese-speaking friends.
[1] "The truth is good, but happiness is better.", and what I wrote up there is of course just a mangling of english letters to sort of produce the same sounds as the cyrillic/russian words.
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:-) unless there's something in the newer stuff you can't live without. and 6.2 is hardly ancient tech. for the binaries try running them individually to see what they say (and then running "strace binaryname" to see what they are _doing_ when they say what they say, and "ldd binaryname" to see what (dynamic) libs it wants (is ldd just dynlibs? seems to make sense but I don't recall and it's 4am so I can't be buggered to go find out)). This may require a good bit of spelunking on your part to fix, but that's the joy of unix. One good source of rpms is rpmfind.net (aka rufus.w3.org), for all your obscure rpm-finding needs.
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obligatory absolutely fabulous reference:
"Oh, that's what it's for!", in reference to a vibrating pager.
(Followed by: "Eh, do you want it back?""No! Keep it!", heh heh)
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I was trying to point out that in the public domain, copyright does not (really, see unique performance thing) apply. I meant "fair use" as in "use that is fair" as in "use that doesn't break any other laws", not "Fair Use as defined as specific outs when something is copyrighted". So it looks like it is you who is holding the directionally challenged portion of a fibrous tree growth structure. ;-) In any case, my point is only salient to music in the PD, if they made a Ringtone or whatever of "Oops! I did it again!" by future porn star Brittany Spears (god forbid), of course that would probably not be Fair Use.
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