A disturbing trned is that Blackberry has as much hit than Ubuntu. Given how few people with Blackberry i see around me, that's kinda a eye opener to the bubble most Linux users ( and me too ) are living in. In fact, the fact that almost no one use Xubuntu to go to wikipedia, that's the biggest part is for "linux others", the fact there seems to be more opensuse users than linux mint users are also interesting, in the sense this totally contradict the perception of some people.
And do they really have no clue on who is doing the work and why reducing income from Canonical is the wisest move ( by not using Ubuntu ( firefox/mozilla/google deal, amazon deal), by not buying CD or stuff on the store, etc ) ? Even if most of the work come from Debian, and upstream from others company, switching to Mint and then pushing it is just wrong.
That was indeed something quite visible on my old os X laptop. I was not able to run openoffice and mail.app without lots of swap, while doing the same on Fedora was ok. Maybe now with 4 to 8 Gigabit of ram, this would be less visible, but as we are also pushing to less power consumption, I think that using less memory, and less cpu, fetching less things from disk is gonna requires some work in this direction.
It is more than people are not able to fork because that mean doing real work. It is much easier to send a email than to do real work. Look at MATE, everybody screamed, how many people working on the code ? 5, 10 ? Github list 15 people who can commit, and the graphs of commits look very low.
Heck, there is likely more people following Paris Hilton days and nights than people devoting time to make MATE work. Where did all those people who screamed gone ? Oh yes, doing nothing and just waiting as usual...
Because all those users that know better do not code anything, that's really too bad that the brightest minds of our century are also the ones that just do not code...
Maybe in a few years, people will be able to turn slashdot comments into C code, solving all the problem of those developpers not listening to the wisdom of the crowd ?
Have you read the link you posted ? Especially that part : ""Further, recent research[12] has shown it is possible to detect the radiation corresponding to a keypress event from not only wireless (radio) keyboards, but also from traditional wired keyboards, and even from laptop keyboards.""
Having worked in server room, I must say that's a pretty stupid thing to do, there is noise, it is cold and you are most of the time on a crappy screen, using a less than good keyboard, no mouse.
So anything that could serve as a reason to ask to people to leave the server room is IMHO a good thing. Now, you can say " I cannot do install there, there is people around me". And either you get out, or the others get out, and in the end, that's it, few people saved from this pain.
On the other hand, he has a very narrow view of the whole topic. There is more than patents in the life, like getting the engineering, sales, etc of Motorola. The buildings and factory are likely something that cost money.
I think they just checked how much lack of security cost vs reducing the cost of security. IE, like a 1000$ system to protect a 10$ book is overkill, maybe that's the same kind of issue. If being a moron was the road to make money, I guess we would know by then.
Free hosting for starting ( there is a limit to sponsoring ), but then you can also take it and host it at home ( package for Fedora for now, supported version for RHEL 6, package for Centos 6 and the team would be quite happy to see it on others distributions too and would be quite receptive to feedback on that part ), you have ssh access so no lock-in of your data, and that's all standards stuff ( ie, it use setup.py for python, etc ).
And the code is on github, there is forums, etc, etc. But that's still a complex beast and that's moving a lot, so there is lots of outdated documentations.
That's free software, anything that would threaten any technology could just be incorporated without any issues in a distribution. Heck, you do not even need to contribute anything back, as Canonical have showed since years. Liberty to fork can go both way, you know.
In a software project, if you want to have growth, you need to have coders. So you have to manage coders more than code. In this case, that mean getting thing clear so future developers do not have a wrong view of the project later.
Maybe in compilers, kernel, or server software ? You know, all of those stuff that are used everywhere but working almost so well that no one care about them, listed on http://community.redhat.com/
take kvm for example, you likely depend on it dues to the use of vm and cloud, but you do not link the VM that host some blog to RH money, that paid kvm developpers. You send a email, but you do not think "maybe that's because people have been working on the kernel networking side, paid by a company". You do not think "maybe my bank is using RHEL and some security problem were prevented due to selinux or general hardening thanks to stuff paid by RH".
And the same goes to lots of others company too, Intel, IBM, Suse, etc. That's where the money goes. Or to sponsoring of Linux Foundation, Gnome foundation, Openstack, eclipse, etc. Or maybe to lawyers ( see rackspace vs some patent troll, see OIN ).
He try to frame things in a binary fashion. Either you want to have easy stuff on the desktop and then you should not criticize him, or if you are against him, then are against having stuff for everybody. That's just a rhetorical tactic.
In practice, the issue is not that Ubuntu make things easy, because that's a good things to do, it is that Canonical is not respecting the community and do not discuss, because they think time to market ( or cadence, as they explain ) is more important. That's ok to believe that, but you have to be clear. removal of UDS 3 months before without discussing first, lack of respect for those that have bought plan ticket, and took care of accomodation. Not caring about community rules ( ie pushing changes after freeze ), that's the same, not caring about respecting rules for community. Using the Ubuntu name becuase they own the trademark. Not respecting the rules that community should follow.
Of course, Mark never say he is treating people unequally. Or never even try to defend that, he prefer to attack stawman, like the minority of people who think "ubuntu should be kept for elite". I never seen people like this, at most, I have seen people that complain we removed what they used, which is not exactly the same. So yeah, infuriating opponents by using lame tactics is the way he react to that. He did like this for the Amazon issue, he did that for Unity, etc. The only thing I can say is that he is being too emotional about the project, thus making everybody realize this is *his* pet project, not the one of everybody.
Working in a US company, I can ensure that US people tend to forget that there is a timezone issue, that people have different taxes in Europe, different keyboards per country, differents laws, etc. US residents are pretty unaware of the difference this make, because when your country is a federation taking half of the continent, you are not really thinking of case where this is different.
So yeah, maybe they got screwed up by their lawyers. Maybe they tought that 24h support was a given, maybe they gave contradictory requests ( like take the cheapest option, and the best one too ). maybe indeed the german company was happy to do it during the night, because they were more expensive. Without any data, we cannot do much ( and seriously, even studies on productivity are bullshit, when I am doing nothing in a meeting, i am not producting anything, but when my manager is, he is doing his job and paid more, search the error ). Heck, if I do a car, and no one buy it, is this productive ? If I produce luxury goods, am I more productive because that's sold at a much more expensive price ?
On top on innovation ? Not really. Debian has become too big to innovate fast, and Debian is a little bit too often in freeze ( like 20% of time ) due to release pressure.
Mageia did it last year, so of course, this is doable, but for something of the size of debian, moving from mysql to mariadb is not easy to do, as you have dependency all over the archive.
That's because the whole idea of being touchscreen friendly is a strawman argument. Gnome-shell designers acknowledge there is lots to do to have a touch friendly interface, yet people think otherwise and think gnome-shell was designed for that. Then they say this is not adapted, then the designers got it wrong, despites them saying this is nor finished nor a immediate goal.
That just show how clueless are some of the gnome-haters crowd. If something look different from win 3.11, that doesn't mean this is touch friendly. Some people struggle with small icons even with a mouse, for example.
And that's not because smartphone use big icons for their touch interface that anything using it is made for touch interface. That's just a logical fallacy.
Sure, and if the 3 forks are unable to cooperate, they are all doing something wrong.
Debian was forked to Ubuntu, Ubuntu got forked to linux mint, linux mint got forked to solusos, I guess we can agree that a huge part of them are doing it wrong ?
> The fact that Linux users are less likely to be passive herd followers should be no surprise to anyone.
given the number of people who just rant without having any clues, based on the substance of the ran ( ie, people who complained on nautilus without trying it, for example, like the mint guys ), there is more followers than you think ( or the systemd hate , the only thing that turned "BSD is dying" into "the facist german coders of Linux are trying to kill BSD by using features of the kernel" ). Ubuntu brought lots of non technical users, and while this is good, they also brought a mindset of "let's complain on the forum because unlike my previous OS? I think people are here to hear me rant". The monetization of eyes balls as operated by pseudo jounalists like phoronix, sjnv or sam varghese didn't help either ( ie, the more they flame, the more ads they serve, the more they earn, the more they can survive, because Linux stories are not interesting enough for mainstream to not use such tricks ( ie, too few users for now ). People crave for drama, because they can relate too. Spending time to help, not a chance.
"real work" is like "this is breaking my workflow", a term used by people who do not like the new shells, but cannot explain why, and yet think they know better.
It is used to sound like a professional, so being important ( note the use of "work", so people who disagree are not pro, therefore of a lower social status ). Yet, they complain on/. as anonymous cowards. Sure, there is people who may prefer the old way. That's rather unavoidable. I have seen people saying they preferred dos, or amiga or anything. Once you decided that something, crappy or not, is what you like, you start to rationalize your choice and find bogus or not less bogus reasons to justify your own opinion. But because it is valid for you doesn't mean anything regarding others. So some people are bothered because not listened, and instead of thinking and reflecting about themself, they just go and think the others are wrong, no matter if they are or not.
In the end, you cannot conclude anything about such rants, so they fuel themself their hate, by being totally useless. And of course, explaining why the rant is useless just make people more angry, so in the end, you spend lotsof time to get information they cannot give, so that's too often a time waste.
And worst, by being a time waste, they prevent people from fixing real bugs, or just finding a better design for the issue they are facing ( but are unable to explain ).
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A disturbing trned is that Blackberry has as much hit than Ubuntu. Given how few people with Blackberry i see around me, that's kinda a eye opener to the bubble most Linux users ( and me too ) are living in.
In fact, the fact that almost no one use Xubuntu to go to wikipedia, that's the biggest part is for "linux others", the fact there seems to be more opensuse users than linux mint users are also interesting, in the sense this totally contradict the perception of some people.
And do they really have no clue on who is doing the work and why reducing income from Canonical is the wisest move ( by not using Ubuntu ( firefox/mozilla/google deal, amazon deal), by not buying CD or stuff on the store, etc ) ?
Even if most of the work come from Debian, and upstream from others company, switching to Mint and then pushing it is just wrong.
That was indeed something quite visible on my old os X laptop. I was not able to run openoffice and mail.app without lots of swap, while doing the same on Fedora was ok. Maybe now with 4 to 8 Gigabit of ram, this would be less visible, but as we are also pushing to less power consumption, I think that using less memory, and less cpu, fetching less things from disk is gonna requires some work in this direction.
It is more than people are not able to fork because that mean doing real work. It is much easier to send a email than to do real work. Look at MATE, everybody screamed, how many people working on the code ? 5, 10 ? Github list 15 people who can commit, and the graphs of commits look very low.
Heck, there is likely more people following Paris Hilton days and nights than people devoting time to make MATE work. Where did all those people who screamed gone ? Oh yes, doing nothing and just waiting as usual...
Because all those users that know better do not code anything, that's really too bad that the brightest minds of our century are also the ones that just do not code...
Maybe in a few years, people will be able to turn slashdot comments into C code, solving all the problem of those developpers not listening to the wisdom of the crowd ?
Have you read the link you posted ?
Especially that part :
""Further, recent research[12] has shown it is possible to detect the radiation corresponding to a keypress event from not only wireless (radio) keyboards, but also from traditional wired keyboards, and even from laptop keyboards.""
Having worked in server room, I must say that's a pretty stupid thing to do, there is noise, it is cold and you are most of the time on a crappy screen, using a less than good keyboard, no mouse.
So anything that could serve as a reason to ask to people to leave the server room is IMHO a good thing. Now, you can say " I cannot do install there, there is people around me". And either you get out, or the others get out, and in the end, that's it, few people saved from this pain.
On the other hand, he has a very narrow view of the whole topic. There is more than patents in the life, like getting the engineering, sales, etc of Motorola. The buildings and factory are likely something that cost money.
I think they just checked how much lack of security cost vs reducing the cost of security. IE, like a 1000$ system to protect a 10$ book is overkill, maybe that's the same kind of issue. If being a moron was the road to make money, I guess we would know by then.
Free hosting for starting ( there is a limit to sponsoring ), but then you can also take it and host it at home ( package for Fedora for now, supported version for RHEL 6, package for Centos 6 and the team would be quite happy to see it on others distributions too and would be quite receptive to feedback on that part ), you have ssh access so no lock-in of your data, and that's all standards stuff ( ie, it use setup.py for python, etc ).
And the code is on github, there is forums, etc, etc. But that's still a complex beast and that's moving a lot, so there is lots of outdated documentations.
That's free software, anything that would threaten any technology could just be incorporated without any issues in a distribution. Heck, you do not even need to contribute anything back, as Canonical have showed since years. Liberty to fork can go both way, you know.
In a software project, if you want to have growth, you need to have coders. So you have to manage coders more than code. In this case, that mean getting thing clear so future developers do not have a wrong view of the project later.
Maybe in compilers, kernel, or server software ? You know, all of those stuff that are used everywhere but working almost so well that no one care about them, listed on http://community.redhat.com/
take kvm for example, you likely depend on it dues to the use of vm and cloud, but you do not link the VM that host some blog to RH money, that paid kvm developpers. You send a email, but you do not think "maybe that's because people have been working on the kernel networking side, paid by a company". You do not think "maybe my bank is using RHEL and some security problem were prevented due to selinux or general hardening thanks to stuff paid by RH".
And the same goes to lots of others company too, Intel, IBM, Suse, etc. That's where the money goes. Or to sponsoring of Linux Foundation, Gnome foundation, Openstack, eclipse, etc. Or maybe to lawyers ( see rackspace vs some patent troll, see OIN ).
yeah, but hardly a crowd. If I could invent a world, i would say that shuttleworth is strawmaning.
He try to frame things in a binary fashion. Either you want to have easy stuff on the desktop and then you should not criticize him, or if you are against him, then are against having stuff for everybody. That's just a rhetorical tactic.
In practice, the issue is not that Ubuntu make things easy, because that's a good things to do, it is that Canonical is not respecting the community and do not discuss, because they think time to market ( or cadence, as they explain ) is more important. That's ok to believe that, but you have to be clear. removal of UDS 3 months before without discussing first, lack of respect for those that have bought plan ticket, and took care of accomodation. Not caring about community rules ( ie pushing changes after freeze ), that's the same, not caring about respecting rules for community. Using the Ubuntu name becuase they own the trademark. Not respecting the rules that community should follow.
Of course, Mark never say he is treating people unequally. Or never even try to defend that, he prefer to attack stawman, like the minority of people who think "ubuntu should be kept for elite". I never seen people like this, at most, I have seen people that complain we removed what they used, which is not exactly the same. So yeah, infuriating opponents by using lame tactics is the way he react to that. He did like this for the Amazon issue, he did that for Unity, etc.
The only thing I can say is that he is being too emotional about the project, thus making everybody realize this is *his* pet project, not the one of everybody.
I also think this could block lots of cookies used for SSO. Some people do actually like to be able to log using their twitter or github credentials.
Working in a US company, I can ensure that US people tend to forget that there is a timezone issue, that people have different taxes in Europe, different keyboards per country, differents laws, etc. US residents are pretty unaware of the difference this make, because when your country is a federation taking half of the continent, you are not really thinking of case where this is different.
So yeah, maybe they got screwed up by their lawyers. Maybe they tought that 24h support was a given, maybe they gave contradictory requests ( like take the cheapest option, and the best one too ). maybe indeed the german company was happy to do it during the night, because they were more expensive. Without any data, we cannot do much ( and seriously, even studies on productivity are bullshit, when I am doing nothing in a meeting, i am not producting anything, but when my manager is, he is doing his job and paid more, search the error ). Heck, if I do a car, and no one buy it, is this productive ? If I produce luxury goods, am I more productive because that's sold at a much more expensive price ?
On top on innovation ? Not really. Debian has become too big to innovate fast, and Debian is a little bit too often in freeze ( like 20% of time ) due to release pressure.
Mageia did it last year, so of course, this is doable, but for something of the size of debian, moving from mysql to mariadb is not easy to do, as you have dependency all over the archive.
Because they used the magic word "forking gnome 3".
You know, unlike /. comenting, doing real work take time.
That's because the whole idea of being touchscreen friendly is a strawman argument. Gnome-shell designers acknowledge there is lots to do to have a touch friendly interface, yet people think otherwise and think gnome-shell was designed for that. Then they say this is not adapted, then the designers got it wrong, despites them saying this is nor finished nor a immediate goal.
That just show how clueless are some of the gnome-haters crowd. If something look different from win 3.11, that doesn't mean this is touch friendly. Some people struggle with small icons even with a mouse, for example.
And that's not because smartphone use big icons for their touch interface that anything using it is made for touch interface. That's just a logical fallacy.
Sure, and if the 3 forks are unable to cooperate, they are all doing something wrong.
Debian was forked to Ubuntu, Ubuntu got forked to linux mint, linux mint got forked to solusos, I guess we can agree that a huge part of them are doing it wrong ?
Bug fixed, you mean "bug fixed by backporting gnome fixes because they are unable to do by themself" ?
> The fact that Linux users are less likely to be passive herd followers should be no surprise to anyone.
given the number of people who just rant without having any clues, based on the substance of the ran ( ie, people who complained on nautilus without trying it, for example, like the mint guys ), there is more followers than you think ( or the systemd hate , the only thing that turned "BSD is dying" into "the facist german coders of Linux are trying to kill BSD by using features of the kernel" ). Ubuntu brought lots of non technical users, and while this is good, they also brought a mindset of "let's complain on the forum because unlike my previous OS? I think people are here to hear me rant". The monetization of eyes balls as operated by pseudo jounalists like phoronix, sjnv or sam varghese didn't help either ( ie, the more they flame, the more ads they serve, the more they earn, the more they can survive, because Linux stories are not interesting enough for mainstream to not use such tricks ( ie, too few users for now ). People crave for drama, because they can relate too. Spending time to help, not a chance.
"real work" is like "this is breaking my workflow", a term used by people who do not like the new shells, but cannot explain why, and yet think they know better.
It is used to sound like a professional, so being important ( note the use of "work", so people who disagree are not pro, therefore of a lower social status ). Yet, they complain on /. as anonymous cowards. Sure, there is people who may prefer the old way. That's rather unavoidable. I have seen people saying they preferred dos, or amiga or anything. Once you decided that something, crappy or not, is what you like, you start to rationalize your choice and find bogus or not less bogus reasons to justify your own opinion. But because it is valid for you doesn't mean anything regarding others.
So some people are bothered because not listened, and instead of thinking and reflecting about themself, they just go and think the others are wrong, no matter if they are or not.
In the end, you cannot conclude anything about such rants, so they fuel themself their hate, by being totally useless. And of course, explaining why the rant is useless just make people more angry, so in the end, you spend lotsof time to get information they cannot give, so that's too often a time waste.
And worst, by being a time waste, they prevent people from fixing real bugs, or just finding a better design for the issue they are facing ( but are unable to explain ).