because that's volunteer based and volunteers are not interested into doing quality assurance ?
You could help, anybody could. yet, people wait on the developers, who are already busy doing the software to also do everything. For each 1 glitch people see, don't they realise how many they didn't see because of others ? Don't people feel in debt of getting a whole desktop free of charge, even with some problem, and a desktop where they could give back without shelling lots of money ?
Well, I can do some real work suring the week using gnome 3, so maybe you should start to do some work instead of sitting on slashdot saying how you want to do some work ?
They are not really concerned about cooperation. Linux mint is a free loader of Canonical works ( because the only thing they do is the visible part ), who is not exactly the most contributing player in the field, and they already depend partially on Debian for lots of their distro. That's fair game of course. Then LMDE came, and managed to collaborate neither with Ubuntu nor Debian, and then Solus-os, made by the same people than LMDE not even try to collaborate with Gnome nor Mint. Heck, they do not even try to work with Mate people. ( on nemo )
They are not concerned about usability, they are concerned into keeping their habits because they think this is better. If they were concerned with usability, they would at least try to explain their ideas, do some usability testing, show the design, etc. They don't, they just did some git clone and that's it.
I am sure in the end, they will end like mate people and start getting all their commit from gnome, until this slowly become too late. Then the developers will start to fight each others and split more ( because when you do not care enough to work with upstream despite having disagreements, you surely do not care about the rest of the team, you forked once, so you can fork a 2nd time )
They will end like the trinity and kde3 revival desktop. When the developers of a software leave it and say this is better to start from scratch, they are not doing it to annoy others usually. They are doing because they know it cannot be done, because they did since years.
Thinking that a company ( ie, a big group of human ) is acting a definite and concerted way is weird and too simplistic. Almost as weird and simplistic as the concept of universal evil ( ie, "doing evil" could perfectly mean something for some specific case, or say much less for some others, depending on the point of view ). Heck, there is a reason why philosophers discussed of moral for centuries...
so "vmware is doing evil" can for sure only be a over simplifcation that doesn't reflect the reality except for a specific view, and so would be for sure incorrect for people. IE, being open to interpretation and on a clear emotional level is the perfect ground for flame, hence ( at the time i write this ) the "flamebait" score
I am quite doubtful about the spare time part. Or then this would not be spare time anymore. If I work part time and contribute the other time to some project, you cannot at the same time pay me less and enjoy the benefit of a full time coder. There is the thing you do during your work, stuff you are being paid for and that ( depending on local laws and contract, cause that's not the same for all "creations" ), could ( and most of the time would ) be done for the company, so "belong" to the company. Then there is thing you do outside, and that's yours. People telling you otherwise just try to coerce into some kind of unfair practice, and put their own company at risk of someone suing them for that ( while most people wouldn't, I am pretty sure that some disgruntled ex worker would think of it sooner or later, that's just statistics, if you annoy enough people, your errors will soon become fatal ).
Now, if you work full time on a side project during work hour without being instructed, you would be fired because you do not do your job, but that's all. If you work on a concurrent project, then this could be a problem of loyalty ( not sure if that's a offence in every country, not even how that is important in mine ).
But asserting "you used the company laptop to work on a project in the evening so it belong to use" is likely not gonna fly. A laptop is not some specialized hardware nowadays. If you used the big cluster of the company, this may be problematic ( improper use of company resources ), but that's doesn't automatically translate to "all your base belong to us" ( especially in more specific case of writing papers, doing research, where I think this would be much more a grey area, even if from what I have seen, the various research institute have no problem paying someone for 3 years and letting him go do a patent and a company after based on the work he did ).
And the idea of "I use something of the company so it belong to me" would not work, if I use my personal laptop to work on company project, that doesn't make me the owner of their code.
Nokia N9 : - developper mode right from the UI, just a click ( and it install ssh, and lots of linux tools ), really pleasant - developped in qt, mostly free software ( not all, unfortunately ), and using regular linux stuff ( dbus, hal, bluez ) and some custom stuff too - lots of doc
too bad that nokia/elop killed it before even living. Take a look at mer and jollia.
I fail to see what seems so great in unity on a small screen. besides the "merge the title bar" system, the dock do not seems so great when the space is limited, or did I miss something ?
That's quite stupid to have debug symbol on a demo. If it crash, that's likely too late ( ie, your software is buggy forever ), and if it doesn't, it is slow. And if you cannot prepare a demo for CES, then you are doing it wrong.
Now, maybe that's regular build and Ubuntu on phone is just slow, but people are so eager to believe that it will have a real impact that they start to imagine this is debug build.
The sdk seems to be mainly under ASL or MIT license. But that's nice people gave money for freebsd so we can be sure more code is produced for company to do it again/o\ ( just kidding, I think the freebsd fundation does a good job, and you should not blame coders for having produced just, just people to have believe that the chain of events that triggered the change to not happen in the first place )
But OP is right, Canonical is champion on doing announces without anything. The whole "android on ubuntu" was first announced in a uds as a demo. Then nothing. Then last year, Ubuntu on Android. then nothing. Ubuntu on TV, nothing. Een in the video, they speak of Ubuntu in computer shop. Didn't notice something weird ? All of them are in China or Japan. ( given the background ). Canonical announced "yeah, eucalyptus", then switched. They announced "yeah, we will continue bazaar", then switch to bzr. have you seen people using Jju/Ensemble ? I didn't except Canonical folks.
Sure, they are innovating. But that's not waht they need, they need money, and more than what they get, or they would not be starting to follow the way of Mandriva by asking money ( cause of course, once you said "everything is free", that's hard to go back to making people pay ).
That's great Canonical is doing phone. But if they do not get money out of it, they will stop. They are not a charity, and will not act as one. I would welcome such a phone, but I am the kind of guy who invest in lost cause ( having a free runner, and soon a n9 ).
Maybe Mark is gonna pay the carrier to ship the phone ( people say they did with Shuttle more than 5/6 years ago, but i never got any confirmations of the rumors nor even the source ).
Most people do not care, that's true, but I know some people who are annoyed by the consequence of the lack of openess ( like "why should I use itunes", or "what, itune only let me sync on 3 computers ?" ). But, yes, i do not think that's a majority, even if you would be surprised how people can understand the whole issue once they start to grasp a little ( unfortunately, that's not sufficient to have them change their mind, not everybody I know is happy with their iphones and yet they use it )
basically, the pitch is "OMG, we have enabled lots of security stuff in the kernel on x86". Technically, that's true. In practice, so did Apple. They maybe plan to reuse apparmor. Yet, all phone also have similar system ( even olpc do have it ). The only issue with apparmor is that : - that's too low level - they are the only one to use it - they didn't confine much in 5 years.
The main issue regarding security on android do not come from a lack of security feature, the permission system of android is not so bad. What is wwrong is that 1) people do not understand it and phone OEM do add crap and do not update. They do not update because this is costly ( revalidate everything due to lots of modification ), and if they didn't want to pay before, they will not pay more on Ubuntu ( for example, Dell mini laptop with Ubuntu OEM were not upgradable to newer ubuntu version ). And i doubt people will be able to understand more than in the past.
In fact, rumors say that android coders are starting to look at selinux, and I suspect that this may be required to be FIPS certified. Ubuntu is not even here on servers. So yeah, while I think they plan to do something, I doubt they will do much better, and just try to reuse the problem of samsung in their pitch.
Working in computer security industry make you crazy, there is nothing more to look for. That's one more evidence to add to the growing list of evidence on the topic.
Or rather, that he was hans Reiser wife who faked her own death in order to prevent reiserfs4 to be integrated upstream, paid as a ex russian secret agent by a unnamed super villain ( take your pick between Google, Microsoft, Apple or anything, we will explain for the next conspiracy that they are all the same company in the end )
They already tried, have you heard someone using Landscape, their hosted management platform ? I don't. They are also doing it with Ubuntu One, who was more expensive and less portable than Dropbox ( so they had to make it cheaper after a few months ), and the service was plagued by intermittent issue during summer 2011 or 2010. They fixed most issue, but it was a little bit too late. And since that's proprietary, people do recommend Owncloud instead of that, and people work on owncloud clients instead of UbuntuOne ( not to mention that reusing the word/trademark "ubuntu" caused yet another controversy in the community, maybe one of the first that pushed volunteers to devote less time due to the perceived commercial nature of Ubuntu ).
So the advice is sound, Canonical cannot compete, but on the other hand, they do not have choice cause all others markets are already full.
We have seen the reverse several time, like "let's recreate e17 from scratch", or "we should totally redo the phone interface from scratch 2 times" ( openmoko )
Before being a desktop contender, they could try to become sustainable, so the whole company do not disappear one day leaving people crying on/. ( or saying "I told you so" ). Before thinking of being big, they could just manage to become small, but the right way ?
The bigger they become, the more bloated the company will be, and the more expensive they will. Given they are not able to earn profits, I fail to see how they could if they need to be bigger.
NIST has a definition of cloud computing, about elastic ressources, etc, etc ( read cluster, with a added twist on abstracting ressources ). Of course, since people have been using the expression for stuff like Flicker or Google Docs, this has become synonymous with Software as a service, there is confusion.
Personally, I tend to keep the NIST definition only, and use SaaS for stuff like Owncloud, since that's the one that is used in the industry lately.
Rather because desktop is a market where there is less hope to become profitable for a player of the size of Canonical ( ie, too much big player, too much competition ). On the other hand, for mobile/phone, there is more hope ( not much more, do not get me wrong ). Remember, Canonical try to earn money to be able to survive in the long run without having Mark using his bank account ( who is filled by his investment firm in South Africa, among others, so that's maybe not a urgent problem to solve ).
You forgot : changing a little bit the input should ideally produce a totally different output ( ie, good cascading effect, if I am not wrong on the property ).
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So, you have become a designer, or given the fact you are not coding and starting to explain to the designer their job, you are yourself a designer ?
because that's volunteer based and volunteers are not interested into doing quality assurance ?
You could help, anybody could. yet, people wait on the developers, who are already busy doing the software to also do everything. For each 1 glitch people see, don't they realise how many they didn't see because of others ? Don't people feel in debt of getting a whole desktop free of charge, even with some problem, and a desktop where they could give back without shelling lots of money ?
Well, I can do some real work suring the week using gnome 3, so maybe you should start to do some work instead of sitting on slashdot saying how you want to do some work ?
They are not really concerned about cooperation. Linux mint is a free loader of Canonical works ( because the only thing they do is the visible part ), who is not exactly the most contributing player in the field, and they already depend partially on Debian for lots of their distro. That's fair game of course. Then LMDE came, and managed to collaborate neither with Ubuntu nor Debian, and then Solus-os, made by the same people than LMDE not even try to collaborate with Gnome nor Mint. Heck, they do not even try to work with Mate people. ( on nemo )
They are not concerned about usability, they are concerned into keeping their habits because they think this is better. If they were concerned with usability, they would at least try to explain their ideas, do some usability testing, show the design, etc. They don't, they just did some git clone and that's it.
I am sure in the end, they will end like mate people and start getting all their commit from gnome, until this slowly become too late. Then the developers will start to fight each others and split more ( because when you do not care enough to work with upstream despite having disagreements, you surely do not care about the rest of the team, you forked once, so you can fork a 2nd time )
They will end like the trinity and kde3 revival desktop. When the developers of a software leave it and say this is better to start from scratch, they are not doing it to annoy others usually. They are doing because they know it cannot be done, because they did since years.
Thinking that a company ( ie, a big group of human ) is acting a definite and concerted way is weird and too simplistic. Almost as weird and simplistic as the concept of universal evil ( ie, "doing evil" could perfectly mean something for some specific case, or say much less for some others, depending on the point of view ).
Heck, there is a reason why philosophers discussed of moral for centuries...
so "vmware is doing evil" can for sure only be a over simplifcation that doesn't reflect the reality except for a specific view, and so would be for sure incorrect for people. IE, being open to interpretation and on a clear emotional level is the perfect ground for flame, hence ( at the time i write this ) the "flamebait" score
yeah and they are much more innovative that Oracle *cough* paying for virtual memory *cough*
I am quite doubtful about the spare time part. Or then this would not be spare time anymore. If I work part time and contribute the other time to some project, you cannot at the same time pay me less and enjoy the benefit of a full time coder. There is the thing you do during your work, stuff you are being paid for and that ( depending on local laws and contract, cause that's not the same for all "creations" ), could ( and most of the time would ) be done for the company, so "belong" to the company. Then there is thing you do outside, and that's yours. People telling you otherwise just try to coerce into some kind of unfair practice, and put their own company at risk of someone suing them for that ( while most people wouldn't, I am pretty sure that some disgruntled ex worker would think of it sooner or later, that's just statistics, if you annoy enough people, your errors will soon become fatal ).
Now, if you work full time on a side project during work hour without being instructed, you would be fired because you do not do your job, but that's all. If you work on a concurrent project, then this could be a problem of loyalty ( not sure if that's a offence in every country, not even how that is important in mine ).
But asserting "you used the company laptop to work on a project in the evening so it belong to use" is likely not gonna fly. A laptop is not some specialized hardware nowadays. If you used the big cluster of the company, this may be problematic ( improper use of company resources ), but that's doesn't automatically translate to "all your base belong to us" ( especially in more specific case of writing papers, doing research, where I think this would be much more a grey area, even if from what I have seen, the various research institute have no problem paying someone for 3 years and letting him go do a patent and a company after based on the work he did ).
And the idea of "I use something of the company so it belong to me" would not work, if I use my personal laptop to work on company project, that doesn't make me the owner of their code.
Nokia N9 :
- developper mode right from the UI, just a click ( and it install ssh, and lots of linux tools ), really pleasant
- developped in qt, mostly free software ( not all, unfortunately ), and using regular linux stuff ( dbus, hal, bluez ) and some custom stuff too
- lots of doc
too bad that nokia/elop killed it before even living. Take a look at mer and jollia.
I fail to see what seems so great in unity on a small screen. besides the "merge the title bar" system, the dock do not seems so great when the space is limited, or did I miss something ?
That's quite stupid to have debug symbol on a demo. If it crash, that's likely too late ( ie, your software is buggy forever ), and if it doesn't, it is slow. And if you cannot prepare a demo for CES, then you are doing it wrong.
Now, maybe that's regular build and Ubuntu on phone is just slow, but people are so eager to believe that it will have a real impact that they start to imagine this is debug build.
The sdk seems to be mainly under ASL or MIT license. But that's nice people gave money for freebsd so we can be sure more code is produced for company to do it again /o\ ( just kidding, I think the freebsd fundation does a good job, and you should not blame coders for having produced just, just people to have believe that the chain of events that triggered the change to not happen in the first place )
But OP is right, Canonical is champion on doing announces without anything. The whole "android on ubuntu" was first announced in a uds as a demo. Then nothing. Then last year, Ubuntu on Android. then nothing. Ubuntu on TV, nothing. Een in the video, they speak of Ubuntu in computer shop. Didn't notice something weird ? All of them are in China or Japan. ( given the background ). Canonical announced "yeah, eucalyptus", then switched. They announced "yeah, we will continue bazaar", then switch to bzr. have you seen people using Jju/Ensemble ? I didn't except Canonical folks.
Sure, they are innovating. But that's not waht they need, they need money, and more than what they get, or they would not be starting to follow the way of Mandriva by asking money ( cause of course, once you said "everything is free", that's hard to go back to making people pay ).
That's great Canonical is doing phone. But if they do not get money out of it, they will stop. They are not a charity, and will not act as one. I would welcome such a phone, but I am the kind of guy who invest in lost cause ( having a free runner, and soon a n9 ).
Maybe Mark is gonna pay the carrier to ship the phone ( people say they did with Shuttle more than 5/6 years ago, but i never got any confirmations of the rumors nor even the source ).
Most people do not care, that's true, but I know some people who are annoyed by the consequence of the lack of openess ( like "why should I use itunes", or "what, itune only let me sync on 3 computers ?" ). But, yes, i do not think that's a majority, even if you would be surprised how people can understand the whole issue once they start to grasp a little ( unfortunately, that's not sufficient to have them change their mind, not everybody I know is happy with their iphones and yet they use it )
basically, the pitch is "OMG, we have enabled lots of security stuff in the kernel on x86". Technically, that's true. In practice, so did Apple. They maybe plan to reuse apparmor. Yet, all phone also have similar system ( even olpc do have it ). The only issue with apparmor is that :
- that's too low level
- they are the only one to use it
- they didn't confine much in 5 years.
The main issue regarding security on android do not come from a lack of security feature, the permission system of android is not so bad. What is wwrong is that 1) people do not understand it and phone OEM do add crap and do not update. They do not update because this is costly ( revalidate everything due to lots of modification ), and if they didn't want to pay before, they will not pay more on Ubuntu ( for example, Dell mini laptop with Ubuntu OEM were not upgradable to newer ubuntu version ). And i doubt people will be able to understand more than in the past.
In fact, rumors say that android coders are starting to look at selinux, and I suspect that this may be required to be FIPS certified. Ubuntu is not even here on servers. So yeah, while I think they plan to do something, I doubt they will do much better, and just try to reuse the problem of samsung in their pitch.
Working in computer security industry make you crazy, there is nothing more to look for. That's one more evidence to add to the growing list of evidence on the topic.
Or rather, that he was hans Reiser wife who faked her own death in order to prevent reiserfs4 to be integrated upstream, paid as a ex russian secret agent by a unnamed super villain ( take your pick between Google, Microsoft, Apple or anything, we will explain for the next conspiracy that they are all the same company in the end )
They already tried, have you heard someone using Landscape, their hosted management platform ? I don't.
They are also doing it with Ubuntu One, who was more expensive and less portable than Dropbox ( so they had to make it cheaper after a few months ), and the service was plagued by intermittent issue during summer 2011 or 2010. They fixed most issue, but it was a little bit too late. And since that's proprietary, people do recommend Owncloud instead of that, and people work on owncloud clients instead of UbuntuOne ( not to mention that reusing the word/trademark "ubuntu" caused yet another controversy in the community, maybe one of the first that pushed volunteers to devote less time due to the perceived commercial nature of Ubuntu ).
So the advice is sound, Canonical cannot compete, but on the other hand, they do not have choice cause all others markets are already full.
We have seen the reverse several time, like "let's recreate e17 from scratch", or "we should totally redo the phone interface from scratch 2 times" ( openmoko )
Before being a desktop contender, they could try to become sustainable, so the whole company do not disappear one day leaving people crying on /. ( or saying "I told you so" ). Before thinking of being big, they could just manage to become small, but the right way ?
The bigger they become, the more bloated the company will be, and the more expensive they will. Given they are not able to earn profits, I fail to see how they could if they need to be bigger.
NIST has a definition of cloud computing, about elastic ressources, etc, etc ( read cluster, with a added twist on abstracting ressources ). Of course, since people have been using the expression for stuff like Flicker or Google Docs, this has become synonymous with Software as a service, there is confusion.
Personally, I tend to keep the NIST definition only, and use SaaS for stuff like Owncloud, since that's the one that is used in the industry lately.
You mean Excel or Powerpoint, right ?
Rather because desktop is a market where there is less hope to become profitable for a player of the size of Canonical ( ie, too much big player, too much competition ). On the other hand, for mobile/phone, there is more hope ( not much more, do not get me wrong ).
Remember, Canonical try to earn money to be able to survive in the long run without having Mark using his bank account ( who is filled by his investment firm in South Africa, among others, so that's maybe not a urgent problem to solve ).
And yet, no one say "dude, why do you want a battleship, corvette already exist". Or the reverse.
You forgot : changing a little bit the input should ideally produce a totally different output ( ie, good cascading effect, if I am not wrong on the property ).