You obviously have not read what you linked to about the Pope. Here's a quote: the Church has no problem with evolution so long as divine causality is not excluded -- which produced screaming headlines around the world. "Pope Vindicates Darwin!"
The evolution theory zealots in this whole thread act like religious kooks claiming exactly that "science" (whatever they believe it is) excludes divine causality. And that idea of "divine causality" would be pretty darn close to "Intelligent Design," would it not?
You can't fight with belief in God, whether you believe God to be a person, a force, or just an idea in peoples' minds. The greatest sponsors of the evolution theory in history: Mao, Hitler, and Stalin failed, so what makes you hope for success?
Sure, sure the pops were stupider than us. We know that lovely things can pop up spontaneously out of chaos, and they, silly pops, believed in a "maker."
Meanwhile... please, help protect penguins, dolphins and cute baby seals.
You do make great points, and there is probably handsome amount of wishful thinking behind the HD propulsion.
MP3 is a good example for comparison. I love quality music and would like to see it available more often on DVD-Audio, or at least on SACD but it's not happenning. The "good enough" is winning and everybody is getting an ipod.
Thank you for making the point so wonderfully. Ignorance such as you demonstrate is exactly why it is so important that actual science is taught in schools.
1. What's the difference between "actual science" and science?
2. How can you argue (successfully) with the very simple logic supporting ID? Non sequiturs do not count. And telling your opponents that they are all stupid does not count.
It's a religious fight. Whenever the "evolution" topic pops up there is an instant avalanche of mambo-jumbo from all kinds of self-proclaimed experts and "scientists."
The anti-theists cling to the "fact" of evolution as a rare opportunity to fight religious beliefs and the concept of God Creator. Good luck with that boys and gals! And good luck with preaching your nonsense if you think you can eliminate the Creator with it!
Also, it is utter foolishness to claim that the Universe, with its laws, humans and all the things that crawl and grow on Earth don't reflect an Optimal Setup that has nothing to do with chaos (I'm not even saying "intelligent" because it hints of personal intellect, or "design" because it points to a Designer). The forces of "evolution" are too obviously far from stupid or chaotic having been able to produce "scientists."
All you "evolutionists" out there, have the integrity to admit that you are fighting against God (for whatever personal reasons) and don't try to cover yourselves with "scientific" theory of flat Earth self-formed out of a purely chaotic chance.
What I see here is that most of the "evolutionists" are using the magic word "science" (whatever they believe it is to be) like the religious hypocrites would use a "deity" to hide behind with their crap.
If you "evolutionists" hate religious folk and their beliefs just say so and don't say it's a "science."
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You obviously have not read what you linked to about the Pope. Here's a quote: the Church has no problem with evolution so long as divine causality is not excluded -- which produced screaming headlines around the world. "Pope Vindicates Darwin!"
The evolution theory zealots in this whole thread act like religious kooks claiming exactly that "science" (whatever they believe it is) excludes divine causality. And that idea of "divine causality" would be pretty darn close to "Intelligent Design," would it not?
You can't fight with belief in God, whether you believe God to be a person, a force, or just an idea in peoples' minds. The greatest sponsors of the evolution theory in history: Mao, Hitler, and Stalin failed, so what makes you hope for success?
Sure, sure the pops were stupider than us. We know that lovely things can pop up spontaneously out of chaos, and they, silly pops, believed in a "maker."
Meanwhile... please, help protect penguins, dolphins and cute baby seals.
And what's "science" worth without strong emotions, tell me? :D
I do like how highly emotional the "scientific" types get.
You do make great points, and there is probably handsome amount of wishful thinking behind the HD propulsion.
MP3 is a good example for comparison. I love quality music and would like to see it available more often on DVD-Audio, or at least on SACD but it's not happenning. The "good enough" is winning and everybody is getting an ipod.
Keep in mind that scientists once believed that the Earth was flat.
Thank you for making the point so wonderfully. Ignorance such as you demonstrate is exactly why it is so important that actual science is taught in schools.
1. What's the difference between "actual science" and science?
2. How can you argue (successfully) with the very simple logic supporting ID? Non sequiturs do not count. And telling your opponents that they are all stupid does not count.
It's a religious fight. Whenever the "evolution" topic pops up there is an instant avalanche of mambo-jumbo from all kinds of self-proclaimed experts and "scientists."
The anti-theists cling to the "fact" of evolution as a rare opportunity to fight religious beliefs and the concept of God Creator. Good luck with that boys and gals! And good luck with preaching your nonsense if you think you can eliminate the Creator with it!
Also, it is utter foolishness to claim that the Universe, with its laws, humans and all the things that crawl and grow on Earth don't reflect an Optimal Setup that has nothing to do with chaos (I'm not even saying "intelligent" because it hints of personal intellect, or "design" because it points to a Designer). The forces of "evolution" are too obviously far from stupid or chaotic having been able to produce "scientists."
All you "evolutionists" out there, have the integrity to admit that you are fighting against God (for whatever personal reasons) and don't try to cover yourselves with "scientific" theory of flat Earth self-formed out of a purely chaotic chance.
You have a much better chance at reaching the parents through the children.
Either way you go it is really hard to preach a new religion to anybody.
Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but Jesus isn't coming again.
Obviously, you have no clue about what Catholics (and all "mainstream" Christians) believe. All the years of "Catholic education" wasted.
Yours are excellent comments to the discussion.
What I see here is that most of the "evolutionists" are using the magic word "science" (whatever they believe it is to be) like the religious hypocrites would use a "deity" to hide behind with their crap.
If you "evolutionists" hate religious folk and their beliefs just say so and don't say it's a "science."