Yes, but without special support, most PocketPC apps would look downright goofy. PPC apps seem to rigidly expect portrait 240@320 for the most part, and look like hell in anything else. I imagine that the PPC specification requires a 320@240 screen, even though it would run on something more capable.
The new Sony is 480@320, yeah. But it runs Palm OS. Why bother running Linux? I'd just be running the gimped out uClinux anyway.
And even if it ran "real" Linux like on the Zaurus, it's still just a toy with no real HWR and inconsistent apps, as far as I'm concerned. And some people don't expect more that that, and that's fine. But I do. On neither Palm OS nor PDA Linux, there's no real handwriting recocgnition, and until one of those platform gets it (hopefully by the porting of CalliGrapher), they won't be of much use to me for anything more than an organizer and game boy.
Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.
Erm, yes. I'm not talking about putting an extra screen *inside* an iPAQ. When LCDs get bigger, they don't generally get deeper, they get longer and wider. An iPAQ with a bigger screen would be taller and wider, but only by a couple inches or so. Not everyone would want to carry around a PDA that's that big, but I'm better that there are others who would find it to be a suitable trade off for having a screen that's twice as big.
In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out.
I don't want a palmtop PC. I want a PDA, sans keyboard, that has a screen of a decent size to use HWR for taking notes. I still use my Newton, and will do so until I find a PDA with a screen that's big enough. I don't want to use some piddly little keyboard either, I've found HWR is faster.
Really? Now you're making me paranoid. I reset my iPAQ 3150 a lot, and have never had a problem. I'm using PPC2000. That blows. I've only had a loss of memory due to running completely out of battery (went unused for a few weeks).
Frankly, I've always been appalled by the way PocketPCs and Palm OS devices handled the power thing. Has it changed on newer Palms, or do you still only have a couple seconds to replace the batteries before the tiny capacitor runs out, and all your memory is gone?
On my Newton MP2100u, I've never had such a problem. Why, just the other day, I plugged it in to charge. However, I didn't push the battery pack in at all- absent mindedness. Unpluged it after a couple hours, and it sat overnight with no power whatsoever. The next morning, nothing is gone. Nothing is lost. All it takes is a little non-brain dead design, a little watch battery. Oi.
Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?
You can still have a small-enough device with a slightly bigger screen. But with one, you can potentially raise the usefulness of it. Am I the only one that uses a PDA for more than a datebook? Am I the only one who reads a lot of text, or takes a substantial amount of actual notes (not just quick jots)?
What makes this PDA special over any of the other PocketPCs? It's not, except to number counting geeks like those of us on/..
If numbers are any indication, Palm OS devices are what the business world wants. Not what I want, mind you, but that seems to be what the business world wants. A PocketPC with a faster processor won't make them all turn.
Bummer- I thought I could hit the "Turbo" switch like on older PCs! Mozilla crawls on OS X, and it's too bad that "turbo" mode doesn't effect the speed at which it actually operates.
Re:Cross Platform Performance Improving
on
Mozilla 0.9.9 Released
·
· Score: 4, Informative
Try the OW SneakyPeeks! The latest SP I'm using is 10x better than 4.0.6 that's on their site... a lot more stable, and faster than IE, iCab, and especially Mozilla. Highly reccomended.
Heh! Dude, are you having a bad day, or did a Newton user at some point insult you? Emotional knee-jerking is often the norm for slashkiddies, but you're taking this a little too personally for it to be the average.
Is this the first Palm OS device with a 320@480 screen? Now that they have a decent screen, when will they get decent HWR? I suppose for decent HWR, they'd need a decent CPU. When will we see 320@480 Palm OS devices with a 206 MHz StrongARM running CalliGrapher?
While many disagree, I find the Newton's size a good thing. If it were produced today, the benefits of size could be gained in a smaller and lighter device, but unless you buy one of those laptop-sized WinCE jobbies, you're stuck with a tiny screen on any platform but the Newton, AFAIK. As a person who carries around an MP2100u most of the time when I'm out, I can say it doesn't bother me. Fits in my pocket, and is better than the alternative- bringing a backpack full of books and notepads. I have all of that information on my Newton. Taking all of my college lecture notes with no real HWR on a Palm would just be impossible.
An MP2100, with batteries, is 1.4 lbs. But coming from an MP2100u user, it doesn't bother me. I'd rather carry around one Newton than a backpack full of notebooks and handouts.
Can't say that I'd ever consider a Palm device until I could get one with a big screen (480@320 prefferably, at least low-DPI 320@240) and real handwriting recognition like CalliGrapher.:)
Color screens don't make up for an inconsistent or severely limited operating system or a small screen. I want to be able to use a PDA for more than grabbing stock quotes and keeping tracks of names and dates. A lot of people are content to do just that, and that's great. But not me, so get off of it. Oi.
My post was in response to the problem at hand. If it's so easy and practical to access real web content with other PDAs, then why not that be the solution to AvantGo's change in policy? That's my point. Oi.
Ah, good to see someone on here that knows what they're talking about.:)
For the kind of hacking you seem to want to do, the Newton blows. But the NewtonScript system is quite awesome, IMHO. I've no desire to use C, or anything low level- I just don't get off on it. What can I say, I'm a Smalltalker who only uses C when I have a really performance intensive method that I need to speed up. A hacker's environment the Newton is, but perhaps only hackers like me, who prefer a high-level system of interacting objects.
The Newton is dead, but it's still more functionctional than anything else that's available. You may be (understandably) bitter about the Newton's demise or about the NOS's limitations on what you want to do, but it doesn't mean that the Newton is useless for the rest of us.
Eh, I don't use the IR port for anything. And frankly, there's nothing that I'd want to do on a Palm or PocketPC that I couldn't do on the Newton, with the exception of running Squeak. I purchased an iPAQ H3150 for the purpose of running Squeak and developing my Newton replacement environment, but found the device's screen inadequate for taking notes- I take all of my class notes on the Newton. One thing that may bother some people is the lack of color on any Newton model, but I prefer B&W, both on the Newton and the iPAQ I have. better readability and far better battery life, especially when you comapare iPAQ models.
I'm not trying to convert anyone to the Newton. It's impractical for a lot of people for a number of reasons (not officially supported, no color, size), but it's the only thing that's worth using for me, and it amazes me what people put up with on their Palms and PocketPCs.:)
Being able to read the pages while you travel or have other downtime isn't an advantage to offline sync. With my Newton, I'm not grabbing these pages wirelessly, although I could. They're downloaded either manually or automatically (on a schedule) over ethernet, and cached for later reading. No wireless or desktop required. That is, if I'm at work or school, and want to grab a page to read later in the day, I don't have to *go home* just and sync (ha!) just so I can have a new web page on my Newton.
That's the point, I'm reading pages on my Newton while sitting on the bus. Downloaded to my Newton before I leave, along with my email.
One of these days, I knew it'd bite AvantGo users in the ass... Because it uses open protocols on an open device [1], it is immune to getting screwed when a company like AvantGo, which uses proprietary technology, decides to change their business plan!
[1] Not open source or open schematics, but the OS is very open. Using NewtonScript, a language that resembles Self, Smalltalk, and Lisp but using a more C-like syntax, one can develop on the Newton itself or the desktop. Code developed on the Newton can replace parts of the OS or other installed apps. You can call methods and use objects from any app, without them being explicitly exported. A platform truly for a hacker. Unlike those Linux PDAs, which have the otherhead of using something like GCC (ha!), or don't have anywhere near the system-reflectivity even whem programs are written in a language like Python. Dynapad hopes to fix this, bringing it one step further, to a completely open system.
I admit I'm largely ignorant of how Palm and PocketPC users get web content, but we Newton users just access the *real* network over *real* TCP/IP using *real* ethernet cards and modems. I 've been told that to get internet content on a Palm and (but less so) a PocketPC, you have to use something like AvantGo and get is from your desktop PC when you're syncing! Ha! Is that really true?
Maybe I'm spoilled, but I don't have to connect with a desktop for anything. I use Newt's Cape on my Newton MP2100u, and have scheduled pages downloaded every morning before I catch the bus to go to school. Yes, a *real* web browser downlading *real* web pages (IHT.com, slashdot, lambda.weblogs.com) over ethernet behind my router.
Can PalmOS devices not do this? Are they intentionally crippled because of the lack of resources and tiny screen, or just because someone decided you should always be tied to your desktop? I know PocketPCs can grab stuff over ethernet in Pocket IE, but is it very common?
Slashdot Mirror
Yes, but without special support, most PocketPC apps would look downright goofy. PPC apps seem to rigidly expect portrait 240@320 for the most part, and look like hell in anything else. I imagine that the PPC specification requires a 320@240 screen, even though it would run on something more capable.
The new Sony is 480@320, yeah. But it runs Palm OS. Why bother running Linux? I'd just be running the gimped out uClinux anyway.
And even if it ran "real" Linux like on the Zaurus, it's still just a toy with no real HWR and inconsistent apps, as far as I'm concerned. And some people don't expect more that that, and that's fine. But I do. On neither Palm OS nor PDA Linux, there's no real handwriting recocgnition, and until one of those platform gets it (hopefully by the porting of CalliGrapher), they won't be of much use to me for anything more than an organizer and game boy.
Erm no, you can't. With technology where it is today in terms of miniaturization, there is no "extra" space for a bigger screen. Have you ever taken apart an iPaq? There's not exactly a ton of room in there.
Erm, yes. I'm not talking about putting an extra screen *inside* an iPAQ. When LCDs get bigger, they don't generally get deeper, they get longer and wider. An iPAQ with a bigger screen would be taller and wider, but only by a couple inches or so. Not everyone would want to carry around a PDA that's that big, but I'm better that there are others who would find it to be a suitable trade off for having a screen that's twice as big.
In the meantime, if you're dying for a bigger screen, just get a true palmtop like the Libretto that Toshiba used to put out.
I don't want a palmtop PC. I want a PDA, sans keyboard, that has a screen of a decent size to use HWR for taking notes. I still use my Newton, and will do so until I find a PDA with a screen that's big enough. I don't want to use some piddly little keyboard either, I've found HWR is faster.
Ah, good. At least one of the current PDA manufacturers aren't retarded.
Really? Now you're making me paranoid. I reset my iPAQ 3150 a lot, and have never had a problem. I'm using PPC2000. That blows. I've only had a loss of memory due to running completely out of battery (went unused for a few weeks).
Frankly, I've always been appalled by the way PocketPCs and Palm OS devices handled the power thing. Has it changed on newer Palms, or do you still only have a couple seconds to replace the batteries before the tiny capacitor runs out, and all your memory is gone?
On my Newton MP2100u, I've never had such a problem. Why, just the other day, I plugged it in to charge. However, I didn't push the battery pack in at all- absent mindedness. Unpluged it after a couple hours, and it sat overnight with no power whatsoever. The next morning, nothing is gone. Nothing is lost. All it takes is a little non-brain dead design, a little watch battery. Oi.
Can't *one* of these PocketPC-driven PDAs have a decent sized screen at 480@320? Or does the PocketPC spec require 320@240? Anyone know?
You can still have a small-enough device with a slightly bigger screen. But with one, you can potentially raise the usefulness of it. Am I the only one that uses a PDA for more than a datebook? Am I the only one who reads a lot of text, or takes a substantial amount of actual notes (not just quick jots)?
Does not XScale implement a modified ARM instruction set? Not equivalent to the ARM, but a derivative, and there for "an" ARM.
What makes this PDA special over any of the other PocketPCs? It's not, except to number counting geeks like those of us on /..
If numbers are any indication, Palm OS devices are what the business world wants. Not what I want, mind you, but that seems to be what the business world wants. A PocketPC with a faster processor won't make them all turn.
Pffft. I had tabs sewn into my pants before opera's authors were in diapers!
Bummer- I thought I could hit the "Turbo" switch like on older PCs! Mozilla crawls on OS X, and it's too bad that "turbo" mode doesn't effect the speed at which it actually operates.
Try the OW SneakyPeeks! The latest SP I'm using is 10x better than 4.0.6 that's on their site... a lot more stable, and faster than IE, iCab, and especially Mozilla. Highly reccomended.
idiot, you did it again. NEVER feed the trolls!
Heh! Dude, are you having a bad day, or did a Newton user at some point insult you? Emotional knee-jerking is often the norm for slashkiddies, but you're taking this a little too personally for it to be the average.
/me scolds self for feeding the trolls...
Is this the first Palm OS device with a 320@480 screen? Now that they have a decent screen, when will they get decent HWR? I suppose for decent HWR, they'd need a decent CPU. When will we see 320@480 Palm OS devices with a 206 MHz StrongARM running CalliGrapher?
While many disagree, I find the Newton's size a good thing. If it were produced today, the benefits of size could be gained in a smaller and lighter device, but unless you buy one of those laptop-sized WinCE jobbies, you're stuck with a tiny screen on any platform but the Newton, AFAIK. As a person who carries around an MP2100u most of the time when I'm out, I can say it doesn't bother me. Fits in my pocket, and is better than the alternative- bringing a backpack full of books and notepads. I have all of that information on my Newton. Taking all of my college lecture notes with no real HWR on a Palm would just be impossible.
Uh, no.
An MP2100, with batteries, is 1.4 lbs. But coming from an MP2100u user, it doesn't bother me. I'd rather carry around one Newton than a backpack full of notebooks and handouts.
Can't say that I'd ever consider a Palm device until I could get one with a big screen (480@320 prefferably, at least low-DPI 320@240) and real handwriting recognition like CalliGrapher. :)
Color screens don't make up for an inconsistent or severely limited operating system or a small screen. I want to be able to use a PDA for more than grabbing stock quotes and keeping tracks of names and dates. A lot of people are content to do just that, and that's great. But not me, so get off of it. Oi.
My post was in response to the problem at hand. If it's so easy and practical to access real web content with other PDAs, then why not that be the solution to AvantGo's change in policy? That's my point. Oi.
Ah, good to see someone on here that knows what they're talking about. :)
For the kind of hacking you seem to want to do, the Newton blows. But the NewtonScript system is quite awesome, IMHO. I've no desire to use C, or anything low level- I just don't get off on it. What can I say, I'm a Smalltalker who only uses C when I have a really performance intensive method that I need to speed up. A hacker's environment the Newton is, but perhaps only hackers like me, who prefer a high-level system of interacting objects.
The Newton is dead, but it's still more functionctional than anything else that's available. You may be (understandably) bitter about the Newton's demise or about the NOS's limitations on what you want to do, but it doesn't mean that the Newton is useless for the rest of us.
Eh, I don't use the IR port for anything. And frankly, there's nothing that I'd want to do on a Palm or PocketPC that I couldn't do on the Newton, with the exception of running Squeak. I purchased an iPAQ H3150 for the purpose of running Squeak and developing my Newton replacement environment, but found the device's screen inadequate for taking notes- I take all of my class notes on the Newton. One thing that may bother some people is the lack of color on any Newton model, but I prefer B&W, both on the Newton and the iPAQ I have. better readability and far better battery life, especially when you comapare iPAQ models.
:)
I'm not trying to convert anyone to the Newton. It's impractical for a lot of people for a number of reasons (not officially supported, no color, size), but it's the only thing that's worth using for me, and it amazes me what people put up with on their Palms and PocketPCs.
Being able to read the pages while you travel or have other downtime isn't an advantage to offline sync. With my Newton, I'm not grabbing these pages wirelessly, although I could. They're downloaded either manually or automatically (on a schedule) over ethernet, and cached for later reading. No wireless or desktop required. That is, if I'm at work or school, and want to grab a page to read later in the day, I don't have to *go home* just and sync (ha!) just so I can have a new web page on my Newton.
That's the point, I'm reading pages on my Newton while sitting on the bus. Downloaded to my Newton before I leave, along with my email.
One of these days, I knew it'd bite AvantGo users in the ass... Because it uses open protocols on an open device [1], it is immune to getting screwed when a company like AvantGo, which uses proprietary technology, decides to change their business plan!
[1] Not open source or open schematics, but the OS is very open. Using NewtonScript, a language that resembles Self, Smalltalk, and Lisp but using a more C-like syntax, one can develop on the Newton itself or the desktop. Code developed on the Newton can replace parts of the OS or other installed apps. You can call methods and use objects from any app, without them being explicitly exported. A platform truly for a hacker. Unlike those Linux PDAs, which have the otherhead of using something like GCC (ha!), or don't have anywhere near the system-reflectivity even whem programs are written in a language like Python. Dynapad hopes to fix this, bringing it one step further, to a completely open system.
I admit I'm largely ignorant of how Palm and PocketPC users get web content, but we Newton users just access the *real* network over *real* TCP/IP using *real* ethernet cards and modems. I 've been told that to get internet content on a Palm and (but less so) a PocketPC, you have to use something like AvantGo and get is from your desktop PC when you're syncing! Ha! Is that really true?
Maybe I'm spoilled, but I don't have to connect with a desktop for anything. I use Newt's Cape on my Newton MP2100u, and have scheduled pages downloaded every morning before I catch the bus to go to school. Yes, a *real* web browser downlading *real* web pages (IHT.com, slashdot, lambda.weblogs.com) over ethernet behind my router.
Can PalmOS devices not do this? Are they intentionally crippled because of the lack of resources and tiny screen, or just because someone decided you should always be tied to your desktop? I know PocketPCs can grab stuff over ethernet in Pocket IE, but is it very common?
...and may god have mercy on their souls.