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Mozilla 0.9.9 Released
OSSMKitty writes: "Mozilla.org has released the next version of Mozilla, version 0.9.9. Highlights include MathML enabled by default on Unix and Win32, and TrueType font support on Unix. Read the release notes and then download a binary to test on your platform."
Will 1.0 ever be out, or are we waiting for 0.9.9.1 now?
It's still the best OSS browser out there, though...
When encryption is outlawed, ?o'AZ-,++o+i++##4AoA+-/-C++bI+/.+~
To the developers and QA folks, kept the builds coming! Unlike other folks, I still believe in the product! I use it faithfully everyday. Good job!
The Underaker
Let's not forget how far they've come. It wasn't so long ago that the browser was slow as h3ll and rough.
Anyone think that AOL may have known this release was coming with a 1.0 release soon in the future (hopefully)? Or is this a dumb question? It is kind of interesting, a true OSS implementation in a product which is most customized to the "Joe six-pack" user.
Next thing you know we'll have Linux pre-installed at Best Buy...
Computer Science is Applied Philosophy
Just installed and tested 0.9.9.
../0.9.8
0.9.8 used to work with MS Proxy 2.0, but this version wants me to authenticate to every new site i go to. Bug in the password manager by the looks of things.... *sigh*
rpm -qa | grep ^mozilla | xargs rpm -e --nodeps
cd
rpm -Uvh *.rpm
I wonder if the Mozilla 1.0 release will coincide with anAOL internal switch to Linux?
More info available from
Mozillaquest
Newsforge
LinuxOrbit
I commented on Mozilla's cross platform performance during the .9.6 release, and I must say, thought still noticeably slower in linux than windows - the linux performance has improved substantialy. Mozilla has been my standard browsers on my win32 platforms and it's startup time has improved enough in linux to really be useable.
/me raises beer to the mozilla linux guys.
On another note, anyone feel that that "turbo mode" should be kept in the windows builds only? This might sound silly, but I expect every program to jam itself in my window system tray, but for some reason, I don't want it anywhere near my linux box, it's Just Not Right(tm).
On Linux, I switched from Netscape to Mozilla around M18, I think, and quite frankly although it's taken forever to get there it's now just about the best browser around (for me anyway).
At work the desktops are all NT4, but I use Mozilla there as well, rather than IE. Why?
- Tabs. Can't live without them, and on Windows it means that your taskbar isn't cluttered with 10,000 unidentifiable icons.
- Keyboard operation. Open a new tab (Ctrl-T), type your URL, switch back to what you were reading (Ctrl-PageUp) and wait for the new tab to stop spinning. Switch back (Ctrl-PageDown), read it and close it (Ctrl-W). I know you can control IE with the keyboard as well, but to switch windows you have to use Ctrl-Tab, which is an incredible pain if you've got a bunch of windows open.
- Speed. It's damn quick.
I just wish they'd build for more platforms... anybody got an Alpha build that doesn't need glibc2.2?
I've been using as my "daily driver" exclusively since 0.9.2, and each new build is better.
It's even at the point where I recommend it to the non-tech savvy crowd...
Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachtani?
www.fogbound.net
guess what, next, there will be own xserver inside mozilla, so you won't need X to run it! mozilla, the queen of bloat. ;-)
sticking with the mozilla policy of asymptoticly aproaching 1.0 0.9.9.1 will be released in two months followed by 0.9.9.9.5 seven years from now.
--aiee
Highlights include MathML enabled by default on Unix and Win32
Why only those two?
(I'm a Mac user, and just wondering why I get left out.)
--saint
No.
Even worse, adding support is going to be a bitch because, to quote from the Mozilla MathML Project page
Mozilla does not yet support the mixture of XML and HTML within the same document. Thus a fragment inside a HTML document is not rendered in Mozilla. [1]
In other words, the doc (and therefore the whole site, practically speaking) has to be in XML/XHTML to be able to use MathML with Mozilla. We've seen time and time again that Slashdot (and to a lesser extent K5) is not even really HTML compliant, what are the chances of meeting the higher standards of XML validity?
Slim to none.
So thanks for the attempt, but until the slow among us start being good netizens then it is too little, too late.
[1]Yeah, I know it says "not yet" but
I switched to mozilla on windows as soon as they added tabbed browsing. it is the ultimate addition to web browsing. just so much simpler to manage then the old way of having 800 windows up. and no its not just for porn sites :) I've really been impressed with the latest iterations of mozilla on both win and linux. i stopped using galeon a while back and now i even use mozilla-mail. i never expected to be such a mozilla fan but I really am impressed with what they've done. my congrats to the team on doing so much for so very little.
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Configure your middle mouse button to open links in a tab in the background. Click on any interesting links, such as /. stories, while you're scanning a page; when you're done with the first page, they're all loaded and you never lost focus from what you were reading. Well, unless you have a jealous cat...
And yes, Mozilla rocks my 'fro.
So close now.
Dude, that ain't Taco, that's the Taco troll! Mod him up!
I can hardly wait until a release of Mozilla that fixed the annoying behavior of Mozilla's mail and news system - you cannot select a message without displaying it, thus you cannot forward a spam onto Spamcop without Mozilla starting to render it (and fetching any webbugs in it).
They supposedly have a patch to fix this, but I don't see that bug fix listed in the release notes for 0.9.9
www.eFax.com are spammers
The MacOSX build is great, there is one strange thing however. I have a nightly from the 8th that displays msnbc.com just fine, however nothing before or after that nightly will display it correctly.
Additionally the startup speed still lags by about 5 to 10 seconds behind IE 5.1 on MacOSX. This is largely a non-issue since I usually start it up once during the day and it runs all day long.
Now if only I could get a version without all the crap. I just want a browser, not a PIM and mail client.
The next version will be 0.9.10
According to the road map, Mozilla 1.0 will be out March 27th. Only 16 more days. Of course, according to the roadmap, 0.9.9 was supposed to be out a month ago.
- 2002.png"
a href="http://mozilla.org/roadmap/branching-15-Feb
This mozilla release (as mentioned in the release notes), has a fix for the zlib vulnerability, just a few hours after the vulnerability was discovered!
Unfortunately, there are still 133 bugs targeted for 0.9.9 still open. One of these is mine, and I am not happy that it's still open, but that's the way things go. People demand a new release.
Alas, there are 891 bugs targeted for 1.0, plus the 133 0.9.9, plus bugs that are yet to be reported that need to be fixed for 1.0. Now, I am starting to sound like that MozillaQuest retard, but I really doubt that even 1/4 of these will get fixed before 1.0.
...and I hope they are (as I download my copy over my slow-ass 56k connection)...
1. Forms. Entering text in a TEXTAREA has been continually troublesome, release after release. Sometimes you'll hit the space bar, but the cursor won't move until you type a letter. Sometimes you get this insipid "jumping text", as the scrollbar on the righthand side continually decides to draw and redraw each time there is a keystroke. From a user's perspective, this is a terrible oversight
2. Printing has, at least on linux, been a sorry state of affairs, for a long time, up through 0.9.8. I have deep worries that 1.0 is going to get released without fully functioning print capability, and that just seems asanine.
OTHER THAN THAT --
I've been extremely happy with Moz, and have been using it in a near exclusive manner (FSCK YOU, CapitalOne.com) for many releases now.
Although it may be a bit premature, here's a hearty congrats to the Mozilla team. Looking forward to 1.0
When you start typing in the URL bar, wouldn't it be handy if the result-list was sorted by most-frequently-accessed, or most-recently-accessed? Well, that has been proposed (bug 78270).
However, it's also marked Priority P4 and Future :(. But, you can vote for the bug to show your support (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account to vote).
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
I've been waiting for this for quite a while and now it finally looks like it's here. Yes! Read the changelog it's not truetype font support but anti-aliased fonts.
Its promising but still very early beta. I don't even really think it's in beta, more like pre-alpha.
:)
I also have issues with using a browser thats named after a virus in mission impossible 2
So I'm taking the plunge and trying to download it. Of course, the ftp site is slashdotted.
I guess you could say that the distribution network of mozilla hasn't reached that 1.0 milestone either yet.
I hope the distribution capacity catches up with the code sooner rather than later.
evanchik.net
Ok, every here should know by now that MQ is just one huge troll. The only good I can see could come from this would be to slashdot the server...
If you aren't familiar with MQ, go ahead and visit the site. Just be warned: treat it as a troll, and don't take his word for anything.
So anyway, linking to him is just going to expose the unsuspecting to the MQ misinformation. Don't do it.
Mozilla
GTK 2.0.0 is already out, making Mozilla dated software. Seems they are suffering from Debian syndrome.
(Please browse at -1 to read this comment.)
I just fired up this new release, and I must say I'm impressed. Every one of the recent releases has sped things up by around 50% (just my own visual approximation) in the interface. There used to be perceptible delays in switching sidebar tabs, opening new browser tabs, etc. which have now been eliminated. Kudos to the Mozilla team! Now all I have to do is get that TrueType font rendering working. ;)
Mozilla's a nice operating system, but it needs a better browser.
I'm a whiz in calculus, and even I can't tell if this infinite series converges to 1.
Where each successive release has a version number that converges ever closer to some value, but ever reaches that particular value?
0.9
0.9.9
0.9.9.9...
Netscape Communicator 4.x had a primative but extremely useful Roaming Profiles function, but Mozilla doesn't. A lot of people have voted for it, but it just hasn't been a top coding priority. All is not lost, however:
Ben Bucksch of Beonex fame has offered to help complete this oft-requested oft-marked-as-no-time-to-implement feature. He's doing the work as a tip-jar sponsored project, so check out bug #124026 and contribute a little bit if you can.
Even if you aren't particularly interested in the roaming ability, it's an interesting situation to watch -- any open-source project the size of mozilla must have lots of opportunities for independent developers to jump in and work on a open-source-for-cash basis. If Ben is really successful here, it's a great case-study in a way for small developers to make money working at open source / free software. I'm curious to see how this example turns out....
A alot of good it does all of us when the
0.9.9 release does not include the true type font support! Any link to builds that do?
Last week I gave another friend a couple CDs with OpenOffice and the current Netscape and Mozilla on it. OpenOffice was worth trying, but he refused to give Mozilla a try. Today, on hearing news of the AOL switch to Mozilla, he replied "Well, what are they going to do when web pages don't load?"
Folks, I'm speachless.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
For those wondering, yes, there is a spellchecker for Mozilla (bug 56301). Or, if you're in a hurry, the installer is right here.
I've been using David Einstein's spellchecker for week's now without problem. Of course, it has its own quirks (such as there being no way to dismiss the spellchecker and avoid sending the message) but it's still a tremendous effort.
Alex Bischoff
HTML/CSS coder for hire
Very crash prone on my system. This iBook hasn't crashed in well over 4 months. It won't even go to a URL I type in the address field! Ugh! Why do I keep coming back to these betas?
let t equal time
let v equal version
as (t) goes to infinity, (v) will approach 1.0
If you're using mozilla, just right click the ad, select "Block images from this server." Presto, you just deprived slashdot of revenue!
If you have a bug to report, or a suggestion to
make, can you take it to here?
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I've been using Mozilla on Linux as default since the early .9 releases, but on windows it just didn't seem as fast, even the last release I downloaded, 0.9.7, but WOW, it's fast now. Window's users, definetly give Mozilla another look if you haven't used it in a while, and Linux users, well your probably already using it...Great job mozilla team!
"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." -Homer Simpson
In IE, if you enter ALT-D, your cursor moves to the address bar and you can enter a new URL without using the mouse. Is there an equivalent shortcut in Mozilla? I need to use Netscape at work and I always find myself typing ALT-D. :-)
cpeterso
I use Mozilla under both Windows and Linux, and in both cases I find the middle mouse button VERY problematic. I scroll with my mouse wheel, which frequently causes middle button clicks. This often results in tons of windows opening all over the place. This is very very irritating. What's more, under Windows, the middle click and scroll functionality is broken making this app rather inconsistent with others. I find this feature under Windows very useful, especially on longer pages.
Other than that, 0.98 was very good. The best yet. Not quite as reliable as IE, and certainly not as speedy (e.g. big pauses with 100% CPU before pages start to render).
Wake me up when they do what they should have done five years ago:
Split the browser into separate exe's all sharing dll/so's. Yes, it's partially done, but it's still one exe.
In other words, wake me when I can set mailto: to trigger some external mail reader or the mozilla mailer (as an external app).
if you are on linux/freebsd, check this out:
ctrl+left click, then paste somewhere else, very cool!
Branch builds of 0.9.9 have been out for at least a week now, but the final release came out today.
mÖÖ
----- Whats wrong with this picture? http://www.revoh.org:1234/whatswrong
Wow, today i wished for 9.9, and now it's here!
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Also, has anyone else had the problem that the URL-autocomplete will NEVER return mail.yahoo.com ? I think it started sometime during the .9.X builds.
Maybe I oughta go register for that bugzilla account...
Karma: Bored. (Thinking about resurrecting the "Anyone else is an imposter" joke.)
Unfortunately the new release still needs support from Galeon. Installing the RPMS on my machine cause Galeon to segfault. Had to revert back to 0.9.8. Guess I'll just have to wait for Galeon 1.0.4.
"In mathematics, it's not enough to read the words -- you have to hear the music"
Tabs are a nice idea, but they're still quite immature in Mozilla. For instance, they don't close in the correct order, so they're no substitute for real tabs or MDI, as found in Galeon or Opera.
:-)
:-)
I accept that Mozilla is still in development, but many good ideas that make the GUI work better (like this one) are actually being turned down.
Something else that reminds me of this is there is no Apply button in the Themes Preferences dialog box.
I'm getting into many bad habits using Mozilla's interface, and when I go to use something that works properly I find myself doing what I would've done in Mozilla, and it doesn't work (and nor should it). It's a bit like people who double-click on web links.
It seems to me that Mozilla's GUI is made to pacify Netscape 4 users, rather than making it as usable as it should be. I think this is bad for several reasons, not least because Netscape 6 still has a smaller market share than Netscape 4, so Netscape 4 users aren't migrating at all! To me this means that:
a) some users are sticking with Netscape 4
b) some users are moving to Internet Explorer or something else, because they're better, regardless of the menus being somewhat different
Maybe this shows us that open-source projects really need to spend more time on proper GUI guidelines, because as much as I hate products made by certain other companies (that one that makes Windows in particular), I find their apps much easier to use (when they don't crash, etc.).
I think I'm going to end up using Galeon or SkipStone, because the Mozilla rendering engine seems quite good -- it's the GUI holding Mozilla back (regardless of how pretty the "Modern" theme is!).
Having said this, I'm still downloading 0.9.9
Browser
MailNews
Unfortunately, voting won't get stuff done any faster. Most of the moz community is pretty aware of the feature requests. A lot of time is being chewed up with stability, performance and bug fix work, as well as sorting and triaging bugs.
Hit the link in my sig, and find out how you can do more than just vote, by helping with QA, working in the bug database, tweaking the front end code (mostly scripts - fairly easy) and hacking the back end code.
While I'm at it, I hope mpt won't hate me for mentioning his The top ten usability problems in Mozilla. Don't get me wrong, I love moz, but that list is a great summary of some important work left to be done (thought it's a bit out of date - there is now a fullscreen on win32, and there have been a lot of textedit bug fixes).
Christopher
Mozilla
If you find that you use IE's window cloning (perhaps without even realising that you've started using) and really miss it under Mozilla, please vote on these bugs:
Bug 18808 - vote
Bug 110535 - vote
Bug 36269 - vote
mozilla will never amount to anything as long as internet explorer is king of the hill.
(rant)
Mozilla had a bug to create a full screen version for all platforms... It was implemented on windows, marked completed, and a new bug was created for all other platforms. It's marked moz 1.1 which kinda bums me out because everything but windows is getting low priority
(/rant)
Linux users unite... Go vote for fullscreen (other platforms)
Be patient. The volunteers that have been doing this work for you in the past haven't gotten to it yet.
-Asa
Now that they've got the javascript problems introduced in 0.9.6 ironed out (my test was IHT, since they're reputedly a site designed to take advantage of NS6's capabilities), they just have to fix printing.
I still don't know why when the Mozilla team has created one of the best rendering engines on the planet, they can't apply the same techniques to create good looking output for a printer device. Instead, the result always seems to look strangely sized and poorly laid out -- not at all like the original page.
Now, I still use Moz for my daily browser (and mail), but this shouldn't be that tough.
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Everyone must learn how to protect themselves from a malicious person wielding a banana.
Lets see part of dpkg --list |grep " 0\."
amp version 0.7.6
aide version 0.7-11
apt version 0.5.4 (_the_ debian godsent tool)
aspell 0.33.7.1-8
atftpd 0.5
c2html 0.9.4-1
daemontools 0.70-20
dia 0.88.1-2
ed 0.2-19 (yes, _ed_ is still at 0.2!)
fakeroot 0.4.5-2.1 (for dpkg-buildpackage)
finger 0.17-9 (but nobody even uses finger anymore)
ftp 0.17-9 (ftp client never actually reached 1.x, so who's going to worry about the http client)
gedit 0.9.6
mpg123 0.59r-11
mpt321 0.2.3
openssl 0.9.6c-1
telnet-ssl 0.17.16+0.1-2
usbmgr 0.4.8-5
usbutils 0.9-1
wmaker 0.80.0-3
word2x 0.005-4.1 (they expect a lot of versions to go!)
xscorch 0.1.14-2 (Clone of Scorched Earth, the best oldtimer multiplayer game ever)
If it's in the true spirit of open source, it will achieve full acceptance by the users before the developers think it's perfect, hence by the time 1.0 comes out, all users will respond 'duh, 0.9.9.4pre4-test2-rc4-pl9 already was just perfect for me'
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
0.9.9 (build 20020311) is running much faster than the build from the previous day (build 20020310). Is there some obvious difference? Is debugging enabled in one and not the other? Is it more highly optimized? Is there something else making it feel faster?
Enter this into the URL field:
javascript:void(window.fullScreen=true)
And you get full screen! Note that this implementation is incomplete, and does not work with all window managers. But it's a start
So, is Mozilla 0.9.9 reliable to two nines (99.0%) now?
I think Mozilla 0.9.9 is the best browser on OS X, it's fast (as fast or faster than IE and perhaps iCab), has a footprint that is no bigger than OW, and has the best Java support of any of the big 5. The only problem is that, even when idle, it eats uo 50-60% of the processor cycles. Not very good. OS X users, do you agree? Disagree?
I have a good 60 or so bookmarks, and I hate taking the time to scroll to the bottom of the list. It's so much nicer in Netscape where it just spills over to an additonal column.
Of course, I'm sure that others prefer the current IE style scrolling, so I'd be happy if it is implemented as an option. If you agree with me, please Vote for this bug!
I spent a lot of cycles building and debugging mozilla in the past, and haven't built it recently. Can anyone help answe a few assorted questions that will impact how quickly I start devoting time to mozilla again?
/usr/local NFS server
- Does Mozilla 'do the right thing' with a read-only NFS mounted directoy yet? In the past, user prefs were stored under all various subdirs of the product, and it was unusable for a network-based install to production read-only
- How does one install Netscape plugins into mozilla on unix and windows? I can do the mime-type mapping on unix (which really should have been the only way to do this all along)... but can I use NS4 plugins with mozilla on unix and windows? -- the windows install didn't seem to 'understand' how to install plugins for itself when I browse pages that needed them, so I *ASSUME* it doesn't work. Do all NS4 plugins work for Netscape 6.X?
- why aren't mozilla binaries for all various platforms statically linked to gtk and glib? -- In my opinion, a browser shouldn't have any OS dependencies for other software that isn't part of the default OS. For any OS other than linux, gtk and glib shared libs are not in a basic OS install.
- Will there *EVER* be a release of mozilla or netscape 6.X that runs on glibc-2.0 systems? I have one that is still very functional, with the exception of me having to use netscape 4.74 and live with it's bugs forever. I would even accept a mozilla binary for libc5 that was statically linked...
- can mozilla come with an 'install' script?? The last seen-by-me method of building and installing mozilla is a MESS! so many files, so many scripts, so unclear what a 'default mozilla' install really means and where it should go.
There are a few things I like about IE that I didn't see in .9.6 of Mozilla for Windows. Does anyone know how to mimick the following functionality in Mozilla:
.com to it in the address bar.
1. Type a word (like "google") and hit Control-Enter to add the www. and
2. Be able to have the ALT text tooltips when you hover over images. This is VERY annoying not to have for me.
Is there a way to do either of these in Mozilla?
At least that enables full screen in winders.
The link http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozil
is a dead one at 10 pm EST
The source to the mac OS tree was deleted and is not present.
Why?
Its bad enough the source no longer has a controlled aount of resource strings and thus cannot ever be compiled to run on a Quadra 840av (a motorola 040 mac that used to cost over 4 thousand dollars, and runs iCab browser faster and launches much faster than modern Mozillas on faster hardware.
I wish netscape honored their original press release and offerred the REAL source to Netscape Navigator 3.01 or 4.0 like they pretended to in their original press releases. It compiled and ran on EVERY mac.
Now the mozilla stuff they released and worked on is buggier, more insecure than Netscape 3.0.1 from 1995 (which I am using to type this right now) and the newer mozilla stuff cannot be ever compiled to run on non Powermacs.
Whats next : Carbon Only? Great. Tons more macs that will be locked out of this dog.
Its THESE simp[e oversights that guarantee that AOL will continue to never ship Mozilla as its default codebase for AOL users. AOL users are better served by zippier code that runs on regular Macintoshes and all Mac OSes. MS IE does this, so does iCab and older Netscapes form long ago.
I wish they would release source
(this version number is silly, Mozilla is years away from running as fast and smooth as commercial grade browsers such as IE on mac or other browsers on Mac.
And web server statistics for large website show that only one half of one percent of people browse with current Mozilla. Less than one percent.
If the codebase compiled and ran on all macs (MC68040 included, and were faster, maybe 2 or 3 percent of people would use Mozilla.
I am posting this with 0.9.9 right now. I just went for a trip around some pr0n sites that have multiple popups (when using internet explorer). With this version of Mozilla, if you go to:
Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Scripts, then unclick "Open unrequested windows"
You will get no more popups! Pages that use javascript to open in new windows when you click on something still work, but pages that open up other windows when they load (popups) have no more power over your browsing experience! Yay!
A slashdotter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber.
Here's what happens when venkman.xpi fails to install. That was quite entertainging. My first instinct was to post is here, but since Mozilla was a bit flaky at the time it had to wait...
Monday is a horrible way to spend 1/7 of your life.
Seriously. What? It is. No, don't tell me it's half-decent....you're wrong! IT SUCKS!!
When you type a URL in the URL bar, wouldn't it be handy if it worked?
Find free books.
Does it strike anyone else here that everything good that everyone has said here concerning Mozilla is already available in a web browser? Of course I'm talking about Opera, which I've been using for a few months now, and am extremely impressed with it. Tabbed windows, ultra fast page renders, fast startup time, can be controlled completely by either the keyboard or the mouse (really innovative and awesome).
Mozilla is open source and free, which is good, and Opera is one of the few browsers that is not free, but the penalty for not paying is a little banner ad that sits on your browser all the time while you browse. It isn't particularly annoying, but the Opera browser is totally worth the price. I absolutely recommend that everyone try it out, especially if you like the features of Mozilla or are unsatisfied by IEXPLORE.
Just thought I'd point this out, as Opera is a very viable alternative to other browsers, and it absolutely rocks.
Lack of eloquence does not denote lack of intelligence, though they often coincide.
The last Mozilla I tried on the Mac was 0.9.7, and that lasted all of 10 minutes. So far, this is much better than that one, but I really did want to see some MathML one of these days, too.
Babar
Don't complain about Mozilla/Netscape - complain about Apple who orphaned many of their users with their new OS.
there is no text
I'd kill for the 'snapshot tabs' functionality - it always irritates me how I have to open a bunch of tabs with my regular websites when I'm starting Mozilla.
I run Mozilla, it's pretty good at rendering most stuff - much faster than Netscape in some areas (tables, most notably). Mozilla doesn't paint until it gets the full document - this is a bit of a drag. Netscape at least started drawing as soon as the info started to come in which often gave it the appearance of being faster. I still can't the Java plugin to work with it under WinNT 4 unfortunately - it crashes upon installation. Oh well.
Most plugins do not work with Mozilla.
But at least the SSL works flawlessly so I can use it for secure sites.
hmm i'm not getting TT to display AA fonts.
any ideas
I am a person with some technical knowledge of computers but is by no means an expert with formal training. I am quite familiar with microsoft platforms (all the way back to msdos 3.2 to win98) but in recent years have begun to severly dislike microsoft products, particularly the surveillance features in XP.
Now, I would very much like to switch to some other platform (but not Mac). Since I have little or no experience with unix/linux etc, what would you, oh slashdotters, recommend? I have some DOS software I cannot do without (mod trackers, mostly.) Can they run in emulation? Or should I have separate boot partitions?
What kind of computer should I purchase and where can I get a friendly non-windows, open source OS that a liberal arts dummkopf like me could install and run (in an non-networked environment?)
Yeah, I know, totally off-topic, flame me...
;) nic
good for them
Dr. Suess: 'Gandalf, Gandalf! Take the ring! I am too small to carry this thing!' 'I can not, will not hold the One.
I don't know for sure, but the upcoming landings page indicates that there is some code due to be checked in any day now that adds the front end code for bookmark groups. Once that done snapshort tabs will either be included, or within reach of a small patch.
Try a nightly build in a week or two. The nightlies should be fairly stable now since all checkins until 1.0 have to be reviewed, super-reviewed and finally approved by the mozilla staff.
Mozilla
Man do I love that mathml.
Good to know I'm not the only one having problems with this. None of the non-RPM release files seemed to have it enabled. Enough people are reporting it to work that I assume the RPMs must support it. Hopefully when the slackware packages come out on linuxpackages.net in the next couple of weeks they'll have it compiled in (they're built off of the official source rpms after all).
"(Man) tries to live his own life as if he were telling a story. But you have to choose: live or tell." --Sartre
So tell me: what am I missing here? What do they think their users are going to do? Use the mouse?
Babar
NetBSD is only at Version 1.5.2 and it's as old as Linux. (older, depending on how you look at things)
What really sucks is that the lead developer of Multizilla has been gone and the newer builds of Mozilla have broken the plugin.
For those that don't know, the incomplete Tabbed Browser feature of Mozilla was copied from Multizilla...as a matter of fact, some code from Multizilla has actually made it into Mozilla...
When Mozilla hasn't broken its functionality, Multizilla is a much better interface than Mozilla's tabbed browser. Many of the features that are buggy or incomplete in Mozilla's implementation are working and have been enhanced in Multizilla.
But not to fear, we should start to see alot more reliability with the 1.0 release...
This post is brought to you by the letter `K' and the numbers 2.2.2.
A mere 3.5 hours after I saw this post and I got antialiased truetype fonts working... and let me tell you.... they look GREAT!
Kudos to the mozilla team!!!
Kaypro
Eddy.WriteLinux.Com
Before:
The last time I tried it, a year and a half ago, it was so buggy, slow and lacking in features that I gave up in disgust after a week of software pain. Ever since, I had dismissed as overly idealistic advocacy the mumbling I kept hearing from various developers who touted each new Mozilla "milestone" release as incrementally better than the one before.
Now:
As I write these words, I've been running Mozilla for Windows for almost five hours. While that's obviously not enough time to make a detailed technical appraisal, I can say that Mozilla has already become my default browser and that it is as fast and slick and full-featured as I want.
Nuff said!
Mozilla 0.9.7 - 0.9.9 are broken in that the Java plugin does not work for them at all, at least in Windows 2000 and XP
You can download the java plugin manually and run it or run it from the automatic plugin finder -- it just doesn't work.
This is a showstopper bug that has been around for months.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
How do I get it to launch into the browser automatically without first selecting the profile?
Is there a command flag to specify the profile?
No one i know uses os x. I know over 12 mac users.
AOL knows this.
That is why aol will ignore mozilla for at least another year.
My ISP uses Squid. It serves up it's own blank images. Even less effort ;)
I noticed that .9.9 has better handling of adding a folder to your personal toolbar under Win32. It now shows up in yellow (it was previously blue), and (most of) the files (and subfolders) in that folder have the correct icons. They were previously shown only as bookmarks.
:)
Bravo to the Mozilla team. You are IE's worst nightmare
full debug or optimized -O4, etc?
OK, how is that off topic? The topic is Mozilla. It was about a feature in Mozilla.
Advantages: :)
1. We get better download speeds
2. Mozilla reaches more people, especially the Windows users
3. download.com gets lots of hits. Imagine their ad revenues!!
psssttt psssstt....little do they know that we turn off their ads ;)
The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.
In the roadmap they promised that as the 1.0 nears they will fix all the performance issues so that it will be actually usable. Well, 1.0 is "almost" around the corner. Opera is like 5 times faster in everything. Internet Explorer is significantly faster in everything as well. Duh. Hello, developers?
Mozilla is still an EARLY beta what comes to the performance.
Can someone explain to me why Mozilla is better the IE6 on Win2k, Okay I know that IE keeps having security issues but that aside I have found IE6 to be a lot more stable and more functional.
Asa, I just wanted to say thanks. You're always answering lowly user's questions on Slashdot and Mozillazine and such. You don't get peeved because people don't keep track of every minute detail of the Mozilla construction process. You only rant at the people who act like complete tools. Your informative answers to people's problems and questions have definitly made my Mozilla experience much better and I'm sure you've had the same effect on others.
Thanks for putting up with all the crap that you put up with and for helping us little guys out. I appreciate it.
You may argue: what are you talking about? Download the binary code with SVG and enjoy! But that is wrong! It is an open source product and I want to (and depends on the OS distro sometimes have to) compile it form the source code. Unfortunately, I can't - SVG is not included into the Mozila distro and the Mozilla team uses *MODIFIED* version of SVG library.
The current situation is just a shame of all Open Source concepts: we see the conflict of interests between two open source teams (Mozilla and GNU) and that is poisoning whole open source world by my opinion.
I am angry.
I wonder how it will go with such a broken Java plugin support?
The link http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozill a0.9.9/src/mozilla-source-0.9.9.sit.bin
... whine whine whine...
is a dead one at 10 pm EST
The source to the mac OS tree was deleted and is not present.
Why?
Because of whiners like you, that want functionality bordering on obsessive perfection.
MathML, performance, speed,
satisfied? they pulled the source
I've been playing around with mozilla lately. I was wondering if it's just me - view source on POSTed pages shows the last GET page, not the current in case of POST. I haven't dug into this, but has anybody else noticed this or have any solutions. Other than that, mozilla seems faster and better than any release I've used in the past. Mail is great now when it used to be a pain. It's my best all around client on Unix!
Cheers,
Toga
I was very excited about the truetype font support that was introduced in this version. However, I can't seem to get it to work at all, even after reading all the docs and combing over the unix.js file with a fine-toothed comb. Anyone out there have any success with this?
"Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
See the parent post and it will be obvious.
Mozilla works great already, and Version 1.0 will be a beautiful gift to the entire world.
Bush's education improvements were
First off, I can't program right now, so there's no need telling me to write this myself, so..
It'd be nice after closing a tabbed window if it defaulted back to the last tab open before that, instead of the tab farthest to the right. In some situations the two are not the same tab.
How do I go about suggesting something to the development team?
Mozilla is quickly becoming the poster child of the open source movement. You don't need to know how to recompile a kernel, and yes - it'e easy enough for your grandmother to use.
It has been kicking some major butt on my linux desktop for over the past year, though it's been kicking my butt on OS X for the past 2 months... constant crashes with no log files can drive a man nuts.
Maybe I should take up Moz hacking
- passion
I am currently using it on Windows 98 SE - box has a 300a celeron and 128MB of RAM. My computer is self built and over 3 years old now. The browser performs nicely, speed wise. Of course, I only have one open right now. The real test is to concurrently surf several sites.
I suggest that every slashdotter download and use this build for at least a week straight... regardless of whether you already have a good browser or not. Personally, on Linux, I prefer Konqueror, but one sure way to help browser development and the internet is to use browsers besides Internet Explorer / Netscape. Let the world know that other browsers exist! Also, you can't make an accurate decision on a piece of software, unless you use it for day-to-day tasks. So download a copy, install it, surf your typical sites for a week, and then send bugs reports to the developers, write reviews, etc... However, don't write a "review" based on 30 minutes of "real world" use. No lame benchmarks either. Just surf with it. Try to forget what brand browser you are using. If you can't, then there is something wrong with your browser. Thats when I realized that Konqueror was truely becoming a solid browser... when I was surfing the web for about 8 hours with it, and I forgot that I was using Linux... forgot that I was surfing with konqueror... then I got off of my PC, stepped back, and realized that - hey, it worked pretty well!
i just got around to compiling 0.9.8 last week
I love the speed!
I love the tabbed browsing!
I love the interface!
I love not using IE!
I love disabling pop-up windows!
Just one thing...
It must know I love it, because whenever I tell it to stay down for a minute it just keeps popping right back up!!!
I stole this Sig
is UGLY! This wasn't in 0.9.8.
MathML on by default! That is great!
The old notation for math is so boring and obsolete:
x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0
I much prefer:
<mrow>
<mrow>
<msup>
<mi>x</mi>
<mn>2</mn>
</msup>
<mo>+</mo>
<mrow>
<mn>4</mn>
<mo>⁢</mo>
<mi>x</mi>
</mrow>
<mo>+</mo>
<mn>4</mn>
</mrow>
<mo>=</mo>
<mn>0</mn>
</mrow>
because it is XML and standardized and non-proprietary and cool. I want my <elite>XML</elite>!
Could folks in the /. HQ PLEEAASSE not post direct links to the Mozilla domain at the time of a release. It's crucial that the bugzilla system is able to work around the time of release. Currently it's stuffed 'cos it's /.ed. Fair's fair you know; give the release a chance to percolate through to the mirrors before you publish direct links to the code. In particular please note this for the 1.0.0 release or else nobody will be able to get the stuff for weeks and weeks
Testing posting with Mozilla now.. It's certainly very nice, and each new build just gets better and better.
One thing that jumps out at me though is the lack of user friendliness. Before Mozilla will take hold with your average end user, this has to get better. For example? Well, I have a hosts file that blocks out certain ad companies. Because Mozilla reports a failed connection in a message box, I have to click 'ok' on each page that has a blocked ad. IE would typically have a check-box in this dialog saying 'Don't show this warning again' or something, which means that the user who doesn't want to be bothered by the message doesn't have to go digging through config options to turn it off (Incidentally, how *do* you turn it off? I couldn't find an option anywhere).
Anyway, these are the sorts of polished details that will make people like my parents consider using it instead of IE.. Hopefully this sort of polish will be there in the 1.0 release or shortly afterwards. For a while I had all but given up on Mozilla as a viable option, but now, after what.. 3 years? I'm a believer again! Wooh!
enhancement request
i think this is a large flaw. i wish i knew c++.
I dunno about the RPMs. The installation instructions say:
I installed the RedHat RPMs and running mozilla-bin I get
Yeah thats what the (non-working) builds I was using report too. I did find a nightly which seems to have it compiled in, looks pretty nice actually. Seems to be some problems with bold and italic text when using freetype.
"(Man) tries to live his own life as if he were telling a story. But you have to choose: live or tell." --Sartre
Is it just me, or is the guy that has been touting Netscape 3.0.1 as the best thing since sliced bread a complete idiot?
Damn man... get a new f-ing browser. The web has moved on.
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"What do you want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? Cause I'm married."
cut-n-paste
Here's the timeline for 1.0 according to the good folks at Mozilla: Roadmap
- experimental
- latest-AB OUTLINER
- latest-STATIC_TEST
- required-by-law
- se
e the bottom of this page.
I can figure that latest-0.9.4ec is a continuation of ns6.2, latest-0.9.9 is the latest build in that branch, latest-0.9.9_WIN_GMAKE involves the tranition to gnu make, and latest-j4_client_mk_test has something to do with making in 4 processes via "make -j4"perhaps put a BUILD_README in each of their respective folders?
Use my userscript to add story images to Slashdot. There's no going back.
Some of us have v1.0 parties to plan!
Of course, anybody attending one of these should be free anytime it happens...
I happen to have a macho build that can't download files, like, say, the next Mozilla :(9 938
/tmp
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6
The problem first started appearing in Feb; before, at least, the files lived in
Now they don't download at all. I have to fire up IE or an older version of Moz to download files now. I'll grab tonight's version, and see if 0.9.9 fixes it.
GPL Deconstructed
A lot of time is being chewed up with stability, performance and bug fix work
:-)
Rejoice!
... I'd still really love to see ROT-13 encoding/decoding in the mailer a la netscape.
Its absence makes reading encoded usenet spoiler postings most difficult.
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"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
So now they have to number the next release as v0.9.9.1 to avoid hitting 1.0. What happens at this number? will the world end. Will it become closed source commercial software, all will it just go out of beta?
I predict that by the year 3000, it will have reached 0.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.9.6
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K5's HTML is slowly being grown towards XHTML 1 strict. This requires that there are stronger Scoop comment filters, as well as rewriting large portions of hard-coded style code. This is not easy to do.
... so things should improve.
rusty really likes his font tags, and was developing on NS4 BITD, but now he's using Galeon
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
Well, intrigued by that, I went to look at the site. I was amused to see that the very first sentence of the first article on the front page states that:
The Mozilla Organization has not yet released the Milestone 0.9.9 edition of its Mozilla browser suite.
Excellent reportage.
No remote server hits for mail/news.
That bug requires that someone learn where to hook in a security policy token which is set based un a UI pref.
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Internet Explorer (n): Another bug -- that is, a feature that can't be turned off -- in Windows.
However, registering the plugin with regxpcom (the prefered method of installing the plugin) fails (segfaults for me, on RHL 7.2). The Windows installer tries to use regxpcom automatically, so that's why it appears to fail.
I believe this is because the xpcom or oji api changed in later versions of mozilla, while the Sun plugin is still using the older version. Obviously things should get better once interfaces stabilise for 1.0
See buzilla bug #99337:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99337 (bah! bugzilla's down for maintainance atm)
I'd say that you're either a lying sack of shit, or someone who don't know what they're talking about. (Take your pick!)
Opera supports HTML 4.01, XHTML, XML, CSS1 and most of CSS2; and has for a long time. Opera 6 also support PNG, Unicode, ECMA-262 2ed (that's "JavaScript 1.3" to you, idiot), and most of ECMA-262 3ed, plus some JScript-methods in IE-mode. However, Opera does not support DOM fully just yet. They're working on it though.For decades, every serious operating system, as far as I know (and no, I don't include DOS or CP/M in that category!) has had disk buffers and/or cache. Turbo mode is not the same thing - it's just a preloading of the code, and a preinitialisation (which is actually quite significant - there's a lot of slow initialisation that doesn't involve disk access.)
For the kernel to do that by itself it would need to have psychic powers to know what programs you used most often, or it would need to do some kind of cross-session profiling.
Female Prison Rape in NY
Hi,
Anybody knows whether AA of fonts works on X servers not supporting XRender extension?
I want to get AA fonts on Xvnc X server (it's based on XFree86-3.1.x). Probably other guys who run X servers different from XFree86-4.x (guys with hardware X-terminals, guys who use solaris or X servers for MS Windows).
Thank you for reply in advance.
I'd like a page on the mozilla site explaining what the ... required-by-law [folder is]
required-by-law contains software whose license (typically GNU GPL or LGPL) requires those who distribute binaries to also mirror the full source distribution of all packages involved in the build that don't already come with the operating system. From the GNU GPL (the LGPL has similar wording):
So far, such packages include GLib and GTK+, which are both under the LGPL.
The "experimental" folder contains builds that demonstrate new large patches. It's part of the Patch Landing Tool.
Will I retire or break 10K?
God knows why [the Mac OS interface designers] chose "W" for Close.
W is for close Window. Accel+C was taken (copy), so Apple used another key combination (Accel+W) that could be pressed easily with the left hand.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I've also seen problems painting the screen with various artifacts, almost always when I've been scrolling with a wheel mouse.
This is a known problem (bug 121230) with alpha-transparent PNGs: drawing partial images doesn't work correctly, as it seems to flip the image vertically before selecting which chunk to render.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Your second paragraph makes no sense. I'm not "screwing around with LaTeX and pdf and whatnot". I'm talking about put MathML code into an HTML document. As in, posting in a comment on a science weblog or in a science story on a regular weblog.
You really think modding a slashdot comment up will make ROT-13 be implemented sooner?
Sorry, but you're in the wrong forum. What you're really looking for is Bugzilla, "modding up" is called voting, and the relevant bug is #66822 . It is currently targeted at Mozilla 1.1.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
As has already been pointed out, blocking popups at page load/unload is not a new feature. A sort-of related feature is, however: You can now prevent from opening a new window by flipping the "Open a link in a new window" switch in the Scripts & Windows panel.
:)
If you just hate it when someone makes all their external links open in new windows, this feature is for you!
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
The ability to do javascript:void(window.fullScreen=true) has been turned off by default to prevent web page abuse (you wouldn't want a web page suddenly putting you in full screen mode, would you?)
" , "allAccess");
To turn it back on, find the file "prefs.js" in your Mozilla profile directory and add the following line to it:
pref("capability.policy.default.Window.fullScreen
That's it! window.fullScreen=true will work again now. (Note that Mozilla must *not* be running while you modify prefs.js.)
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
.... finally put together an RHN update for this?
I'm a subscriber. I have my subscription settings set up to hide all ads, everywhere. So why am I seeing ads all of a sudden?
Why is this on topic? Because I didn't see any ads until I opened this page. Now I see them on my preferences pages, too.
It's not that hard to use XHTML. In fact, if your past code is html 4.01 compliant, you won't need to change much at all. You need to add a / at the end of all tags without ending tags. I.E. , .
XHTML must be valid for it to work right, that's the only major difference. There's also a separate standard for frames. Unfortunatly, according to the W3C, the tag is invalid in Strict XTHML, so you run into problems aligning things with Strict.
Slashdot could make their site HTML compliant if they weren't so lazy, and they could make it XHTML/XML compliant too. You are right on on the chances though.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
I'm not sure how to do this in the Modern theme, but if you're using Classic, just find your Mozilla profile directory, open the subdirectory called "chrome", edit the file "userChrome.css", and paste these lines at the bottom:
.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button { .toolbarbutton-text, .toolbarbutton-text {s ingle.gif") !important;a nim.gif") !important;
.toolbarbutton-1,
min-width: 0px !important;
text-align: center !important;
}
#nav-bar-inner {
margin: 0px !important;
}
.toolbarbutton-menubutton-button >
.toolbarbutton-1 >
display: none !important;
}
#navigator-throbber {
list-style-image: url("chrome://communicator/skin/brand/throbber16-
}
#navigator-throbber[busy="true"] {
list-style-image: url("chrome://communicator/skin/brand/throbber16-
}
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Thing to keep in mind is that some of the HTML on Slashdot is user-created. So Slashdot would have to add a validation script to the submit process in order for it to maintain XHTML pages. So don't expect /. code to be pure XHTML any time soon.
MathML is an XML. It should validate. Any document it is part of should validate. Don't blame Mozilla for the world's problems.
Uhm, substitute "throbber16-single.gif" for "throbber16-s ingle.gif" and "throbber16-anim.gif" for "throbber16-a nim.gif". Sorry.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
How about voting for fixing the bugs like number 55583 before voting up new features. The inability to view source of non-static pages is IMHO a showstopper bug, at least for anybody who actually wants to develop websites using Moz...
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121540
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I was shocked. Shiny tabs, modal dialogs are SHEETS now (wuhooo!), and lots of general Aqua-ification. WAY TO GO Mac Moz team!
Wait...godzilla wins automatically, as mozilla sucks
Perhaps guys in Redmond thought "everything is a file" for a change. This way you can organize your bookmarks with standard filesystem tools. I'd rather use .bookmark as the extension or no extension at all but in windows world you simply cannot have more than 3 letters for extension :)
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> finger 0.17-9 (but nobody even uses finger anymore)
Since you've quoted output from a debian system, you might be interested to know that debian has a finger-enabled developer database.
Look at:
$ finger @db.debian.org
Want my GPG key?
$ finger dsb3/key@db.debian.org | gpg --import
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
How about voting for fixing the bugs like number 55583 before voting up new features. The inability to view source of non-static pages is IMHO a showstopper bug, at least for anybody who actually wants to develop websites using Moz...
Agreed. It's not to say that I don't want to see a lot of those other features, yesterday rather than today, but not being able to view the generated source of any page that is created with information from a submitted form is highly annoying.
And I personally still haven't figured out what is the least worse of the workarounds... saving the page and looking at that source, or actually opening Netscape 4.x for testing. (The only time I ever open another browser other than during the final testing of whatever site I've just created.)
I use the Lo-Fi Classic theme for its nice small buttons. Note: I haven't tried the theme with Mozilla 0.9.9 yet.
Of course, if slashdot had an "I block ads" checkbox in the preferences, they could make sure they only send you non-paid ads (88%), and lose no revenue.
Yes, but does Mozilla include a mail client? That's the only reason I'm using Netscape 6.2.
Yes. In fact, I have been using Netscape as my e-mail client since 1996 and was able to import my ancient e-mail archives into Mozilla with no probloems at all. Beautiful - simply beautiful.
I'm a 2000 man.
I can't wait till 1.0 is released so people will stop talking about this stupid subject of release numbers.
I wonder how it will go with such a broken Java plugin support?
Well, in 0.9.9 the Java plugin installed with no problem and seems to work perfectly so far.
I have found that in 3/4 of cases, running either galeon or mozilla, when I load a page that has a flash movie embedded, my browser freezes up for a good solid 2-4 minutes. Then, usually, it eventually works. Don't understand it. Is this an issue for others? (I'm running debian, btw)
=== "Some people see the glass as half-empty. Others see it as half-full. I see the glass as too big." -G. Carlin.
I've been trying all morning to grab the Win32 version (for a computer on which I, for historical reasons, run NT), and the Installer has timed out every time it's tried to ftp it.
Later than 0.9.5 it doesn't even run natively
on OpenBSD, one has to use the Linux/x86-32 version.
No, thanks, no Mozilla on Unix for me (Win32 ok).
I'm using Opera 5.05 (Linux too) - it's stable
anyway, and WTF do you need a graphical browser?
I do 98% of my web surfing with Lynx.
My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And
Well, not everything's a file with IE bookmarks -- there's some mystery metadata that maintains the order of the things in the menu.
But in general, I agree -- the IE filesystem bookmark implementation is much nicer than Netscape's bookmark.html. Yet the latter is some weird religious issue with NS users.
Why the hell were there 200 bugs in the first place? Souds like microsoft programming prctice to me.
Yeah it's fucking sarcasm you morons...
You'd perfer some EPS?
Markup languages are not meant to be terse, they're meant to be easy for someone to parse and to be readable by humans if need be. The design goals of the XML spec state as much:
6. XML documents should be human-legible and reasonably clear.
and
10. Terseness in XML markup is of minimal importance.
XML was developed as a reaction against the complexity of SGML, not to be perfectly tailored to your pet domain.
Here's a useful project: Try writing a parser to take "x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0" and spit out the MathML. Ta da, suddenly you can share your math. And you don't have to use unreadable EPS, LaTeX, or send people your Mathematica notebook.
I'm not sure, but in my world, stock Mozilla + True Type fonts has worked since the first TT font servers showed up. What's the point of programming around the assumption that the users use obsolete (XFree 3 w/o TT font server) software? Which UNIX systems are there where the *application* actually has to deal with FONT MANAGEMENT?
And you don't have to use unreadable EPS, LaTeX, or send people your Mathematica notebook.
LaTeX is very readable. I don't think you've actually used it, have you? The equation being quoted (x^2 + 4x + 4 = 0) is valid in LaTeX as-is. Here's something slightly more complicated, try writing that with XML, and convincing yourself (or in fact, anyone else) that it's readable!
\overline f (\omega) = \int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x) e^{-i \omega t} dtAnyone who's used LaTeX at all will be able to visualise that immediately. I don't think you can say the same about MathML. As far as I'm concerned, it's in the same league as PostScript -- I can read it, but for goodness sake, why would I possibly want to? Don't expect me to write any projects in it any time soon.
No problems here. So the future is bright. =o)
Dissolve... Resolve... Evolve...
I really hope they get over the whole communist-like theme. Those red stars with yellow borders (Help->About Mozilla) do not impress, and I suspect those who have suffered at the hands of communist regimes would take offence.
I much preferred the cute little green dinosaur, briefly visible on the splash screen.
Not a big issue for me, but others on the Mozilla mailing lists seem to be up in arms about it.
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"Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
GNU HURD is nearly ready for a production release.
Debian finally moves to a 2.4 kernel.
Hell freezes over.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
It's kind of ironic that the mailing list guidelines, for Mozilla discussion, recommend against using HTML email. Whatever happened to dogfood, huh?
Ah, the marvels of unix technology!
.deb package, used by apt, so that:
Will finger thus be revived in combination with a signed md5sum of the
1) I do 'apt-get install program'
2) apt-get downloads program-0.9-1.deb from the mirror
3) apt-get downloads program-0.9-1.deb.md5sum from the mirror
4) apt-get does a 'md5sum program-0.9-1.deb' and compares the output to the sum in program-0.9-1.deb.md5sum
5) apt-get uses finger program/maintainer@db.debian.org to find the name of the maintainer of the package
6) apt-get uses finger name/key@db.debian.org to get the gpg key from that maintainer
7) apt-get uses the gpg key to verify the signature in program-0.9-1.deb.md5sum
8) apt-get continues only if the signature matches
9) we all rest assured that program-0.9-1.deb was not a trojaned upload or mirror-replacement by a third party with bad intent, unless they also managed to crack into db.debian.org, or unless the maintainer has bad intent...
Eh?
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
NB: unreadable modifies EPS, not LaTeX. I think the obvious problem here is that LaTeX documents are usually distributed as PostScript, which is unreadable . . .
For this to really be worthwhile, we'd need to implement fingers:// (in the same spirit as https:// of course) since otherwise the finger interface can easily be hijacked in order to send phony key/checksum/signature information to match the phony package that was received.
(drifting even further off topic)
Slashdot? Oh, I just read it for the articles.
All right that's the spirit. finger-ssl. Why not?
--- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
# finger your_mom
finger: hey, I eat with these hands!
I can't seem to build 0.9.9. I've been able to build 0.9.8. I get the following:
nsPostScriptObj.cpp:281: warning: unused variable `int printSize'
nsPostScriptObj.cpp: In function `const char* paper_size_to_paper_name(float,
float)':
nsPostScriptObj.cpp:264: `PR_ABS' undeclared (first use this function)
nsPostScriptObj.cpp:264: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for
each function it appears in.)
nsPostScriptObj.cpp: In method `nsresult
nsPostScriptObj::Init(nsIDeviceContextSpecPS*)':
make[4]: *** [nsPostScriptObj.o] Error 1
This site crashed by browser already :(
S cr een=SFNT&Store_Code=electroseller
(windows 98se)
http://electroseller.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?
Try pointing at the computer case in the upper right. It may not be the only part of the page causing problems, but it crashes mine every time.
If you're running a non-windows version,
try to crash your browser so we can get some more bug reports.
Finally a good reason to burn my +1 bonus
I stand by with what I said earlier: Properly coded pages render just as perfect in Opera 6.01 as they do in Mozilla 0.9.9 and IE 6. Anyone, claiming the opposite, is a lying sack of shit. I know, since I use Opera every day and often compare its performance to other browsers.
XML can be usually distributed as PostScript too. You make up all the problems you want.
Warning: Host 'www1.freshmeat.net' is blocked because of many connection errors. /fm/code/include/db.h on line 260
Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in
Error connecting to MySQL Server.