I am sorry to hear that you think I am proposing that world, I am not proposing it, I am saying it is coming. There is no escaping it.
There are a few options of-course, one is government taking over all functions of the private sector completely where it concerns food, energy, housing, clothing, medication/health, etc. So basically government taking every single thing into its hands, everybody becomes a government employee, and then you'll prolong the suffering for another 50-90 years, something on that order, the way USSR did it. Of-course a few tens of millions of people will have to be killed and will die due to these policies, for the reasons see Ukraine in 1930s.
The other option is to start a global war, which will have the consequence of writing off the debt and still employing everybody as a government worker, only now half of the population will be also fighting in a war. This will have a consequence of destroying economies of other nations as well as economy of the US, this will again, prolong the suffering.
Those are the options to the total economic restructuring in the short term, in the long term total economic restructuring is inevitable.
Your comment is correct for normal economic times. For what is coming, your very sane comment will fail, nobody will be able to get any loans for opening businesses because the entire country won't be able to get any loans, because people who used to loan will be especially ticked off by them losing a few trillion dollars in reserves due to the liars in your government.
The interest rates on any loans will be in high double digits, it will not matter how sound your business plan is, nobody will give you money because you won't have the kind of collateral needed to cover that risk.
Savings will become the only way to start a business.
there is no sane copyright and patent law, especially if your country's economy is going down the drain and another one is becoming a powerhouse and it does NOT care about your copyrights and patents.
It is especially really really really stupid to have copyrights and patents in that situation.
Well, contemporary society got quite a few things wrong. Keynesian 'economics', criminalization of drugs/prostitution, governments meddling in economics on any level, wars for profit, religions, all of those things are accepted in contemporary society (it varies from place to place) but it doesn't make those things right, it only makes them a fact.
Any amount of attempted regulation of economy by government (or any other strong-force that does this not by production, but by artificial means) is detrimental to the economy, it destabilizes the process. The economic collapse of now is the result of this meddling and destruction of competition. By not letting the economic cycle work (boom/bust cycle) that normally happens in economy every 10-20 years, the gov't created a gigantic boom/bust cycle that has been busting now since about 2003 and it will be a long and painful bust indeed, entire nations' economies will be wiped out.
Interest rates - that's the answer to your question.
The interest rates will go through the room when USD collapses. My comment was moded 'flamebait' simply by misunderstanding, most people simply don't see what is happening, even though they are staring right into its face.
The US economy IS terminal, there is absolutely nothing that government or anybody can do about it, the reason is in the loss of production capacity, which resulted in a gigantic trade deficit. The US Government is bankrupt, no question about it. There is 13trillion of the visible and near 70 trillion of the t-bill/bond debt, none of this will be paid out.
The US is refinancing all of that debt every 3 months in short term debt, which is only at very low interest rate because US is not trying to refinance the debt in anything longer than that. Should US try to refinance the debt in 30 year bonds, the rates would go through some invisible roof, nobody in their sane mind wants to give US government that kind of a debt, because they understand it will not be repaid in anything but funny-money.
So when the USD crashes, the interest rates that are 0% now, will go into high double digits, and THAT is why people will have to save first and only then start businesses. Nobody will be able to pay interest that is in high double digits.
Anybody who wants copies the clothes, and still the industry is huge. It works in the fashion industry very well, they can't patent/copyright anything.
Certainly not, but at this point they're apathetic and ignorant. Never mind that the GP was suggesting we basically hand the reins of power over to corporations which are way more powerful than any one individual.
You are severely mistaken. The government is ran by banks/insurance companies/military industrial complex/big pharma/food/energy/mining/etc.
They government is completely ran by these corporations. This shouldn't have happened, but it did. So while you are saying I am for corporations taking over, I am arguing the government today consists of corporations already, and those corporations are using government power to keep themselves monopolies and to bail themselves out. What you do not see, is that the US government is bankrupt already NOW, so my proposals here even if will fall on deaf ears, are irrelevant, very soon the government will fail to pay its obligations (of-course it will print the USD into hyper-inflation, it's not actually going to admit it's bankrupt.)
But you see, the government is NOT your economy, it's sucking out the value and force from economy, but it is not your economy.
Your economy are not large monopoly powers either, they are only using your government as long as they can take the last pennies out of this piggy bank. They will take the rest of the money out very soon, the social security (aren't you glad you paid into it?) the medicare will be gone, etc. At the end an empty shell of an economy cannot be used by large corporations anymore, they will move away to the rest of the world, which is MUCH bigger than US.
US citizens will be left in actual ruins and they will have to rebuild the economy anyway, so then why not start sooner and go through the pain sooner? And all of the regulations that your gov't has out there, is basically just so that the monopolies can stay monopolies longer. So why help them?
You think I am pro-monopoly corporations and against power of the people? Quite the opposite. But your government is NOT the people, it is together with those corporations you don't like.
But why is government helping corporations or anybody for that matter with 'trade secrets' and basically getting involved in fixing monopolies by killing off competition? That's the question. The answer is of-course because people with money want this and people in gov't are willing to take the bribes and the rest don't understand how they've been just had.
We should not care about trade secrets, we shouldn't be in business helping to create monopolies. We should promote any competition that's possible, we should not stand in the way of anybody taking things apart to look how they are built and then building and selling those things themselves, this is part of life, this makes things run more efficiently, every argument against it is basically an argument against competition, it's nonsense.
Let me put it this way: US economy is dying, it is terminal.
There is nothing that can be done to save the economy at this point, nothing at all.
It will have to be restructured completely, it will be rebuilt as things are always rebuilt - with people saving and then starting their own small businesses and creating jobs and creating products and creating value, which is the real money. Not cash, actual value - products people need to live.
Government will have to shrink dramatically, I mean it will have to become negligible, because government is a non-productive life-sucking, value removing force.
In the process of restructuring people will suffer, there will be shortages, there will be hyper-inflation (created by government printing money to buy back its silly debt, because gov't will not admit it's already bankrupt now, so it will never admit it, so it will print dollar into nothingness.)
So there will be suffering, there will be struggle, etc. At the end people, separate people will restart economy by creating businesses and hiring other people.
However to create a business, you have to save first, otherwise where is the initial capital going to come from?
The large corporations you are complaining about are government created monopolies and they will abandon you, they will abandon the country where they won't be able to make money. My point is that government cannot save you and corporations will not save you. It will have to be people saving themselves, that's the only way.
Right now, as things are, government is standing on the way of restructuring and this shows in everything, from policy on interest rates, to policy on bailing out monopolies, to policy on taxing income, to policy on letting the military industrial complex to rob you of any last resources by waging wars, to policy on patents and copyrights. These policies are in the way of restructuring the economy.
Copyrights, patents, all other government regulations need to be abolished as well as any other government control of economy, interest rates, wages laws, every single thing. It's killing the economy, it can't save it. Government is an unproductive destructive force and you can see it in everything it does, this includes copyright and patent laws.
except what's the difference to the government of a country US would attack?
What is the difference to Saddam Hussein whether US and Iraq both live or not, he dies anyway. So if you are an Iranian president and top Iranian government official, why wouldn't you do this, buy a bunch of nukes, ship them secretly to US, position them strategically and then if attacked, blow a few up, give a choice to US whether to stop invasion or not, and if they retaliate with nukes, blow the rest of the nukes in US. Of-course do this with suicide bombers in US, what's the problem with that?
When a person/group of people are cornered, why would you not expect them to do the craziest thing to try and kill the opponent or at least hurt him?
What you like does not matter at all, the question is what is good for economy, and economy is suffering from being strangled by regulations and laws like patents and copyrights. It absolutely does not matter what individual preferences are, in fact who cares at all about your copyright or mine? Nobody except for you personally, and you personally do not make the market. Choice of any person before the copyright law always was: release your work or not, nobody FORCES anybody to release their works, you wouldn't be forced either, but in the market with no patents and copyrights, the market would blossom with new ideas, that are strangled by lawsuits based on these laws or even simply by idea that lawsuit can be brought, so many don't even try to develop their ideas because they'd be going against the existing law.
Your argument is false because you are comparing apples to oranges, you are comparing your current status to this hypothetical status without copyrights/patents, but what you have to be comparing is conditions of market today and conditions of market if there was no patent/copyright law at all. In the first case we know what is happening, in the second case the competition would be much stronger and we would see more innovation, not less, we would see more products and choices, not less, because EVERYBODY would be playing in the same exact market, by the same rules, and people don't just sit there, not trying to do anything, waiting to die from starvation because the laws are not as favorable for them as they could have been.
In case of a market with now competition impediments we would only get a more perfect quality/price/quantity/idea ratio, not less, especially given the fact that there are more and more people entering the field. The more people enter every field, the more resources there are there to innovate and produce.
RIAA President Cary Sherman said the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act contains loopholes that allow broadband providers and Web companies to turn a blind eye to customers' unlawful activities without suffering any legal consequences.
"The DMCA isn't working for content people at all," he said at the Technology Policy Institute's Aspen Forum here. "You cannot monitor all the infringements on the Internet. It's simply not possible. We don't have the ability to search all the places infringing content appears, such as cyberlockers like [file-hosting firm] RapidShare."
- you see, DMCA isn't working for RIAA.
In response to a question from CNET, Sherman said it may be necessary for the U.S. Congress to enact a new law formalizing agreements with intermediaries such as broadband providers, Web hosts, payment processors, and search engines.
The RIAA would strongly prefer informal agreements inked with intermediaries, Sherman said: "We're working on [discussions with broadband providers], and we'd like to extend that kind of relationship--not just to ISPs, but [also to] search engines, payment processors, advertisers."
- makes sense, make it increasingly difficult for US economy to survive.
Last week, the RIAA and a dozen other music industry groups called on Google and Verizon to crack down on piracy, saying in a letter that "the current legal and regulatory regime is not working for America's creators."
- RIAA considers itself a 'creator' apparently.
Clearly the law is not working. The correct fix is to abolish patent and copyright law altogether. There should be nothing of the sort, all government intervention into economy must stop, and this does include creating any sort of barriers of entry into any industry. Copyrights and Patents are like any other regulations, are designed to make competition less likely, to make the monopolies of the existing powers more persistent and pervasive, this of-course helps the government to maintain its power in a number of ways: obviously government makes much more money from monopolies than from actual competing businesses, who wouldn't bother giving the government officials those nice fat bri.. contributions.
All government regulations do this: they tax, they subsidize, they regulate, all that it ends up doing is creating barriers to entry, creating moral hazards, helping big monopolies and destroying competition, all of this of-course helps government officials but totally works against sound economy and competition.
Copyrights and patents must be abolished, that is the correct way to help the economy and not by helping some specific people to maintain their monopoly while giving them ability to drag any competition through a bought court system with their ill gained money.
I disagree with you completely, but I guess the future will tell, because this is going to happen sooner or later, probably within a year of invasion of Iran, if that ever happens.
I was trying to read TFA but this newfangled whatchacallit, where you put lines to make pictures that together make words? I am in my thirties, I couldn't understand it, it was too hard. Also the thingies on the bottom of the pages, with numbers where you place the mouse-cross and switch the button to open a new page, I could barely figure it out!
Clearly, the story is too complex and good that those 50 year olds don't have to read it, cause obviously they are going to die off soon and won't have to work, and the 20 year olds must be feeling right at home with all those pictures of thingies that make up words, it's us, the 30-40 year olds who are fucked.
What can I say, we belong in the dumpster of history.
Question: are you outraged by millions of people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan due to the US invading these countries? I expect the people who died and their relatives/friends in those countries wouldn't have a problem with US citizens suffering a similar fate. Seems to me that while you are accusing me of disregard to human life, it only bothers you when the humans in question are far away and not people in your circle, this is an example of moral relativism, isn't it?
Most living things on this planet don't care about finding others in space either, the fact is that humans and not bacteria are the ones who searching. Bacteria has hundreds of millions of years on humans and it's not searching.
Well, would robots require entertainment? People have been blasting their radio/TV signals from the planet for a while (until we switched from analog to digital anyway). So robots would probably be much more efficient in terms of energy expenditure.
I would argue it would be much more difficult to detect robot presence than some natural creature presence, because robots would use energy in very different manner and they probably wouldn't waste so much of it either.
Seems to me that searching for robots would be more difficult, not less.
Of-course that changes if robots wanted to be found in the first place.
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I am sorry to hear that you think I am proposing that world, I am not proposing it, I am saying it is coming. There is no escaping it.
There are a few options of-course, one is government taking over all functions of the private sector completely where it concerns food, energy, housing, clothing, medication/health, etc. So basically government taking every single thing into its hands, everybody becomes a government employee, and then you'll prolong the suffering for another 50-90 years, something on that order, the way USSR did it. Of-course a few tens of millions of people will have to be killed and will die due to these policies, for the reasons see Ukraine in 1930s.
The other option is to start a global war, which will have the consequence of writing off the debt and still employing everybody as a government worker, only now half of the population will be also fighting in a war. This will have a consequence of destroying economies of other nations as well as economy of the US, this will again, prolong the suffering.
Those are the options to the total economic restructuring in the short term, in the long term total economic restructuring is inevitable.
Your comment is correct for normal economic times. For what is coming, your very sane comment will fail, nobody will be able to get any loans for opening businesses because the entire country won't be able to get any loans, because people who used to loan will be especially ticked off by them losing a few trillion dollars in reserves due to the liars in your government.
The interest rates on any loans will be in high double digits, it will not matter how sound your business plan is, nobody will give you money because you won't have the kind of collateral needed to cover that risk.
Savings will become the only way to start a business.
there is no sane copyright and patent law, especially if your country's economy is going down the drain and another one is becoming a powerhouse and it does NOT care about your copyrights and patents.
It is especially really really really stupid to have copyrights and patents in that situation.
Well, contemporary society got quite a few things wrong. Keynesian 'economics', criminalization of drugs/prostitution, governments meddling in economics on any level, wars for profit, religions, all of those things are accepted in contemporary society (it varies from place to place) but it doesn't make those things right, it only makes them a fact.
Any amount of attempted regulation of economy by government (or any other strong-force that does this not by production, but by artificial means) is detrimental to the economy, it destabilizes the process. The economic collapse of now is the result of this meddling and destruction of competition. By not letting the economic cycle work (boom/bust cycle) that normally happens in economy every 10-20 years, the gov't created a gigantic boom/bust cycle that has been busting now since about 2003 and it will be a long and painful bust indeed, entire nations' economies will be wiped out.
Definition please.
I don't know, you'll tell me all about that when USD crashes due to government printing after the lending stops.
Switzerland is doing fine, and it has no federal income tax and most regulations/rules are on canton (state) level.
Interest rates - that's the answer to your question.
The interest rates will go through the room when USD collapses. My comment was moded 'flamebait' simply by misunderstanding, most people simply don't see what is happening, even though they are staring right into its face.
The US economy IS terminal, there is absolutely nothing that government or anybody can do about it, the reason is in the loss of production capacity, which resulted in a gigantic trade deficit. The US Government is bankrupt, no question about it. There is 13trillion of the visible and near 70 trillion of the t-bill/bond debt, none of this will be paid out.
The US is refinancing all of that debt every 3 months in short term debt, which is only at very low interest rate because US is not trying to refinance the debt in anything longer than that. Should US try to refinance the debt in 30 year bonds, the rates would go through some invisible roof, nobody in their sane mind wants to give US government that kind of a debt, because they understand it will not be repaid in anything but funny-money.
So when the USD crashes, the interest rates that are 0% now, will go into high double digits, and THAT is why people will have to save first and only then start businesses. Nobody will be able to pay interest that is in high double digits.
Anybody who wants copies the clothes, and still the industry is huge. It works in the fashion industry very well, they can't patent/copyright anything.
Certainly not, but at this point they're apathetic and ignorant. Never mind that the GP was suggesting we basically hand the reins of power over to corporations which are way more powerful than any one individual.
You are severely mistaken. The government is ran by banks/insurance companies/military industrial complex/big pharma/food/energy/mining/etc.
They government is completely ran by these corporations. This shouldn't have happened, but it did. So while you are saying I am for corporations taking over, I am arguing the government today consists of corporations already, and those corporations are using government power to keep themselves monopolies and to bail themselves out. What you do not see, is that the US government is bankrupt already NOW, so my proposals here even if will fall on deaf ears, are irrelevant, very soon the government will fail to pay its obligations (of-course it will print the USD into hyper-inflation, it's not actually going to admit it's bankrupt.)
But you see, the government is NOT your economy, it's sucking out the value and force from economy, but it is not your economy.
Your economy are not large monopoly powers either, they are only using your government as long as they can take the last pennies out of this piggy bank. They will take the rest of the money out very soon, the social security (aren't you glad you paid into it?) the medicare will be gone, etc. At the end an empty shell of an economy cannot be used by large corporations anymore, they will move away to the rest of the world, which is MUCH bigger than US.
US citizens will be left in actual ruins and they will have to rebuild the economy anyway, so then why not start sooner and go through the pain sooner? And all of the regulations that your gov't has out there, is basically just so that the monopolies can stay monopolies longer. So why help them?
You think I am pro-monopoly corporations and against power of the people? Quite the opposite. But your government is NOT the people, it is together with those corporations you don't like.
But why is government helping corporations or anybody for that matter with 'trade secrets' and basically getting involved in fixing monopolies by killing off competition? That's the question. The answer is of-course because people with money want this and people in gov't are willing to take the bribes and the rest don't understand how they've been just had.
We should not care about trade secrets, we shouldn't be in business helping to create monopolies. We should promote any competition that's possible, we should not stand in the way of anybody taking things apart to look how they are built and then building and selling those things themselves, this is part of life, this makes things run more efficiently, every argument against it is basically an argument against competition, it's nonsense.
Let me put it this way: US economy is dying, it is terminal.
There is nothing that can be done to save the economy at this point, nothing at all.
It will have to be restructured completely, it will be rebuilt as things are always rebuilt - with people saving and then starting their own small businesses and creating jobs and creating products and creating value, which is the real money. Not cash, actual value - products people need to live.
Government will have to shrink dramatically, I mean it will have to become negligible, because government is a non-productive life-sucking, value removing force.
In the process of restructuring people will suffer, there will be shortages, there will be hyper-inflation (created by government printing money to buy back its silly debt, because gov't will not admit it's already bankrupt now, so it will never admit it, so it will print dollar into nothingness.)
So there will be suffering, there will be struggle, etc. At the end people, separate people will restart economy by creating businesses and hiring other people.
However to create a business, you have to save first, otherwise where is the initial capital going to come from?
The large corporations you are complaining about are government created monopolies and they will abandon you, they will abandon the country where they won't be able to make money. My point is that government cannot save you and corporations will not save you. It will have to be people saving themselves, that's the only way.
Right now, as things are, government is standing on the way of restructuring and this shows in everything, from policy on interest rates, to policy on bailing out monopolies, to policy on taxing income, to policy on letting the military industrial complex to rob you of any last resources by waging wars, to policy on patents and copyrights. These policies are in the way of restructuring the economy.
Different topic, but same exact conversation.
Copyrights, patents, all other government regulations need to be abolished as well as any other government control of economy, interest rates, wages laws, every single thing. It's killing the economy, it can't save it. Government is an unproductive destructive force and you can see it in everything it does, this includes copyright and patent laws.
except what's the difference to the government of a country US would attack?
What is the difference to Saddam Hussein whether US and Iraq both live or not, he dies anyway. So if you are an Iranian president and top Iranian government official, why wouldn't you do this, buy a bunch of nukes, ship them secretly to US, position them strategically and then if attacked, blow a few up, give a choice to US whether to stop invasion or not, and if they retaliate with nukes, blow the rest of the nukes in US. Of-course do this with suicide bombers in US, what's the problem with that?
When a person/group of people are cornered, why would you not expect them to do the craziest thing to try and kill the opponent or at least hurt him?
it's OK, no problem, just rewrite everything from scratch, guarantees you won't have backdoors from the previous guy.
What you like does not matter at all, the question is what is good for economy, and economy is suffering from being strangled by regulations and laws like patents and copyrights. It absolutely does not matter what individual preferences are, in fact who cares at all about your copyright or mine? Nobody except for you personally, and you personally do not make the market. Choice of any person before the copyright law always was: release your work or not, nobody FORCES anybody to release their works, you wouldn't be forced either, but in the market with no patents and copyrights, the market would blossom with new ideas, that are strangled by lawsuits based on these laws or even simply by idea that lawsuit can be brought, so many don't even try to develop their ideas because they'd be going against the existing law.
Your argument is false because you are comparing apples to oranges, you are comparing your current status to this hypothetical status without copyrights/patents, but what you have to be comparing is conditions of market today and conditions of market if there was no patent/copyright law at all. In the first case we know what is happening, in the second case the competition would be much stronger and we would see more innovation, not less, we would see more products and choices, not less, because EVERYBODY would be playing in the same exact market, by the same rules, and people don't just sit there, not trying to do anything, waiting to die from starvation because the laws are not as favorable for them as they could have been.
In case of a market with now competition impediments we would only get a more perfect quality/price/quantity/idea ratio, not less, especially given the fact that there are more and more people entering the field. The more people enter every field, the more resources there are there to innovate and produce.
Here is the main content of TFA:
RIAA President Cary Sherman said the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act contains loopholes that allow broadband providers and Web companies to turn a blind eye to customers' unlawful activities without suffering any legal consequences.
"The DMCA isn't working for content people at all," he said at the Technology Policy Institute's Aspen Forum here. "You cannot monitor all the infringements on the Internet. It's simply not possible. We don't have the ability to search all the places infringing content appears, such as cyberlockers like [file-hosting firm] RapidShare."
- you see, DMCA isn't working for RIAA.
In response to a question from CNET, Sherman said it may be necessary for the U.S. Congress to enact a new law formalizing agreements with intermediaries such as broadband providers, Web hosts, payment processors, and search engines.
The RIAA would strongly prefer informal agreements inked with intermediaries, Sherman said: "We're working on [discussions with broadband providers], and we'd like to extend that kind of relationship--not just to ISPs, but [also to] search engines, payment processors, advertisers."
- makes sense, make it increasingly difficult for US economy to survive.
Last week, the RIAA and a dozen other music industry groups called on Google and Verizon to crack down on piracy, saying in a letter that "the current legal and regulatory regime is not working for America's creators."
- RIAA considers itself a 'creator' apparently.
Clearly the law is not working. The correct fix is to abolish patent and copyright law altogether. There should be nothing of the sort, all government intervention into economy must stop, and this does include creating any sort of barriers of entry into any industry. Copyrights and Patents are like any other regulations, are designed to make competition less likely, to make the monopolies of the existing powers more persistent and pervasive, this of-course helps the government to maintain its power in a number of ways: obviously government makes much more money from monopolies than from actual competing businesses, who wouldn't bother giving the government officials those nice fat bri.. contributions.
All government regulations do this: they tax, they subsidize, they regulate, all that it ends up doing is creating barriers to entry, creating moral hazards, helping big monopolies and destroying competition, all of this of-course helps government officials but totally works against sound economy and competition.
Copyrights and patents must be abolished, that is the correct way to help the economy and not by helping some specific people to maintain their monopoly while giving them ability to drag any competition through a bought court system with their ill gained money.
We should really not tell him about the Zimbabwe dollars, he may be inclined to convert, he'd be a tillionaire.
I disagree with you completely, but I guess the future will tell, because this is going to happen sooner or later, probably within a year of invasion of Iran, if that ever happens.
Academia vs Business, it's all explained here.
You have EYES? Shit, I am screwed, what am I going to do for tricks?
I was trying to read TFA but this newfangled whatchacallit, where you put lines to make pictures that together make words? I am in my thirties, I couldn't understand it, it was too hard. Also the thingies on the bottom of the pages, with numbers where you place the mouse-cross and switch the button to open a new page, I could barely figure it out!
Clearly, the story is too complex and good that those 50 year olds don't have to read it, cause obviously they are going to die off soon and won't have to work, and the 20 year olds must be feeling right at home with all those pictures of thingies that make up words, it's us, the 30-40 year olds who are fucked.
What can I say, we belong in the dumpster of history.
Question: are you outraged by millions of people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan due to the US invading these countries? I expect the people who died and their relatives/friends in those countries wouldn't have a problem with US citizens suffering a similar fate. Seems to me that while you are accusing me of disregard to human life, it only bothers you when the humans in question are far away and not people in your circle, this is an example of moral relativism, isn't it?
You cannot deny reality and then say: we weren't ready for this, nobody could have seen it coming.
It's just silly not to consider such a possibility, which becomes much more likely with every passing day and with every new invasion.
Most living things on this planet don't care about finding others in space either, the fact is that humans and not bacteria are the ones who searching. Bacteria has hundreds of millions of years on humans and it's not searching.
Well, would robots require entertainment? People have been blasting their radio/TV signals from the planet for a while (until we switched from analog to digital anyway). So robots would probably be much more efficient in terms of energy expenditure.
I would argue it would be much more difficult to detect robot presence than some natural creature presence, because robots would use energy in very different manner and they probably wouldn't waste so much of it either.
Seems to me that searching for robots would be more difficult, not less.
Of-course that changes if robots wanted to be found in the first place.