Girls Bugged Teachers' Staff Room

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Girls Bugged Teachers' Staff Room

Posted by samzenpus on Tuesday August 24, 2010 @04:48AM from the making-the-grade dept.

A pair of enterprising Swedish schoolgirls ended up in court after they were caught bugging their teachers break room. The duo hoped they would hear discussions about upcoming tests and school work, allowing them to get better grades. It worked until one of them decided to brag about it on Facebook, and the authorities were called in. The girls were charged with trespassing and fined 2,000 kronor ($270) each in Stockholm District Court.

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Reversed Rolls by bsDaemon · 2010-08-24 04:49 · Score: 1, Interesting

Typically, I thought it was teachers bugging the Swedish "schoolgrils'" lock rooms or something. At least, that's what all those "feminist sexual exploration" films made it seem like...
1. Re:Reversed Rolls by longhairedgnome · 2010-08-24 04:52 · Score: 1, Redundant
  
  Backward buns? Ass backwards.
  
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2. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:01 · Score: 0, Redundant
  
  >>>At least, that's what all those "feminist sexual exploration" films made it seem like.
  Yeah. And many Hollywood teen films show coed shower rooms, but I've yet to find any colleges that offer said feature. Closest I ever came was at Penn State with a mixed boys/girl hall, but we had separate showers. :-| Jeez. How is a young nerd supposed to learn what boobies look like? Maybe the teen films are not entirely accurate?
  
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3. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:08 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  How is a young nerd supposed to learn what boobies look like?
  I understand young nerds now have access to this 'webernets' thing, which supposedly has boobie pictures.
  At least, that's what I've been told.
4. Re:Reversed Rolls by MBGMorden · 2010-08-24 05:11 · Score: 1
  
  How many teen films are you seeing this with? Only time I recall seeing that theme is in Starship Troopers, which isn't exactly supposed to reflect modern society.
  
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5. Re:Reversed Rolls by bsDaemon · 2010-08-24 05:12 · Score: 1
  
  Watch "Porkey's" or other, similar films where peeping is an integral plot device.
6. Re:Reversed Rolls by 228e2 · 2010-08-24 05:22 · Score: 1
  
  A lot of Universities have co-ed dorm halls with male only/female only bathrooms, but I've never heard of any in the modern area with mixed bathroom facilities.
  
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7. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:22 · Score: 0
  
  You went to the wrong school. My dorm had coed bathrooms. There were multiple shower stalls and, depending on the actual dorm, each shower stall had a door, like the ones you find in public restrooms, or each shower had a shower curtain. The facilities were in use by both sexes at the same time. Anyone could peek over or under the doors or even just pull open the shower curtain if they wanted to.
8. Re:Reversed Rolls by nomadic · 2010-08-24 05:22 · Score: 1
  
  My school had coed bathrooms but the shower stalls were separate so it didn't really do anything...
9. Re:Reversed Rolls by MBGMorden · 2010-08-24 05:25 · Score: 1
  
  Anyone could peek over or under the doors or even just pull open the shower curtain if they wanted to.
  Only a geek would speak of that situation as a precious opportunity . . .
  
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10. Re:Reversed Rolls by boneclinkz · 2010-08-24 05:28 · Score: 1
  
  Coed bathrooms sound really great until hot little Lindsay walks in and recognizes your shoes while you're raging on the toilet with PBR beer shits at 150psi.
11. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:35 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah but you don't get that "three-dimensional" feel you'd have in an actual coed shower.
  
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12. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:38 · Score: 1
  
  The second-to-last Eureka episode on Skiffy Channel. It used to be rare, but the "coed shower" shtick is pretty common now.
  
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13. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:42 · Score: 1, Funny
  
  How many teen films are you seeing this with? Only time I recall seeing that theme is in Starship Troopers, which isn't exactly supposed to reflect modern society.
  Really? I thought it was a documentary.
14. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:43 · Score: 1
  
  >>>My dorm had coed bathrooms. There were multiple shower stalls and, depending on the actual dorm, each shower stall had a door
  So you're supposed to get dressed and undressed inside the stall? Where do you hang the clothes without them getting wet? In every dorm I've ever visited you get naked in view of every one, hang or lay the clothes in a dry spot, and THEN enter the stall. Is that what you did in your coed dorm? Hmmmm. Your story sounds mysterious.
  
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15. Re:Reversed Rolls by Abstrackt · 2010-08-24 05:43 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah but you don't get that "three-dimensional" feel you'd have in an actual coed shower.
  Just because it's a coed shower doesn't mean what you're grabbing belongs to a woman.
  
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16. Re:Reversed Rolls by Lumpy · 2010-08-24 05:52 · Score: 1
  
  Bar in germany in 1989....
  Men and women used the same bathroom.. It had 4 stalls and it was the only bathroom in the place so both sexes used it without problems.
  
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17. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:01 · Score: 0
  
  I take you missed the whole (sub?)plot that involved them having to climb through a dark crawl space and peer through a little hole? That's not "co-ed" showers.
18. Re:Reversed Rolls by hazah · 2010-08-24 06:02 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Or worse... YOU walk in and recognize that it's HER shoes while SHE's raging on the toilet with PBR beer shits at 150psi.
19. Re:Reversed Rolls by digitig · 2010-08-24 06:03 · Score: 1
  
  My first secondary school had coed shower and changing rooms. Sadly, they timetabled the boys and girls to use them at separate times and enforced it strictly.
  
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20. Re:Reversed Rolls by PIBM · 2010-08-24 06:03 · Score: 1
  
  That just mean you have not yet reached the level 3D TV
21. Re:Reversed Rolls by shoehornjob · 2010-08-24 06:14 · Score: 1
  
  MMMMM boobies yum
  
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22. Re:Reversed Rolls by Mister+Whirly · 2010-08-24 06:41 · Score: 1
  
  If you were in college and still had not seen a a naked female, live, you really screwed up in high school.
  
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23. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:57 · Score: 0
  
  The stalls are rectangular, and there's a curtain dividing the end near the door from the end with the showerhead. There are hooks and possibly a small bench or shelf in the area near the door. I've seen stalls like this even in single-sex bathrooms and locker rooms.
24. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 07:13 · Score: 0
  
  Friend of mine went to Union College in NY. They apparently do have co-ed bathrooms (meaning both men and women use the same bathroom facility). While it may seem exciting at first, my friend's takeaway was that girls are just as disgusting, if not more so, than guys when it comes to the bathroom.
25. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 07:21 · Score: 0
  
  Every bathroom is different. At my college, I saw two different styles of shower. The first, each personal shower stall had both a changing area and a shower area. The changing area had a bench and a towel hook. You changed in the changing area and left your clothes on the bench. The other style was as you describe, but no one got naked in front of eachother. You stripped to a towel in your dorm and then walked down the hall to the shower, got in the shower, removed your towel and hung it on the hook outside the shower stall with the curtain drawn. Dont' know how long ago you were in college, but people are pretty homophobic these days. Even in high school, no one ever showered after gym class. Group showers were pretty much considered for gay guys and prisons, and even with prison, you better watch out.
26. Re:Reversed Rolls by xaxa · 2010-08-24 08:07 · Score: 1
  
  A lot of Universities have co-ed dorm halls with male only/female only bathrooms, but I've never heard of any in the modern area with mixed bathroom facilities.
  Many of the university halls I've seen here in the UK (which are all mixed, except in exceptional cases) have "mixed" bathroom facilities, but only contain one shower/toilet anyway.
27. Re:Reversed Rolls by couchslug · 2010-08-24 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  "Or worse... YOU walk in and recognize that it's HER shoes while SHE's raging on the toilet with PBR beer shits at 150psi."
  I, for one, find the idea vaguely arousing...
  
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28. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 09:22 · Score: 0
  
  That's nothing, I made it all the way through college without that...
29. Re:Reversed Rolls by Alien1024 · 2010-08-24 09:31 · Score: 1
  
  I stayed at college student dorms in Scotland for some time; they did have shared bathroom including showers. Of course showers were individual and had doors or curtains.
30. Re:Reversed Rolls by azalin · 2010-08-24 09:56 · Score: 1
  
  You do know where you are posting this?
31. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 11:43 · Score: 0
  
  Why are you having a bath in a bar? Or do you mean it had unisex toilets?
32. Re:Reversed Rolls by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 12:04 · Score: 0
  
  Caltech has co-ed bathrooms and showers in the dorms. Given that they tend to have about 1 woman to 5 men student ratio, it's a matter of being practical.
  It's no big deal. If you walk in on a little nudity you just act like an adult. In practice it worked pretty much like every bathroom in a public home.
  Shut the stall doors. Don't peek in the shower when it is in use. Don't freak out if in spite of such precautions you glimpse a little skin. Don't be a jerk.
33. Re:Reversed Rolls by theCurteye · 2010-08-24 12:53 · Score: 1
  
  Trent University, Champlain College, Peterborough, Ontario, Canada. Mixed bathrooms, mixed showers. There's a process involving a door to the shower room and shower curtains such that you are basically given the privacy you need to get in and out, and change, without running into anyone else. It's basically a knock, 'come in i'm already in the shower', change, get in the free shower, 'ok i'm in', 'ok i'm getting out', change, 'bye', close shower room door type of thing. Worked great. I actually think the incidents of something like a 'panty raid' or, say, hiding a camera in the ladies' room, are drastically reduced when people are required to act like responsible adults just to get through day to day functions.
34. Re:Reversed Rolls by Trailwalker · 2010-08-24 12:58 · Score: 1
  
  I spent a season working for an outdoor organization that had unisex toilets and showers. Its a bit odd at first to be sitting on the pot reading the morning newspaper and to hear cheery female voices calling "Good Morning, Irv" over the top of the paper. But like most things, I got quickly got used to it and didn't give it a second thought.
  
  These days, I have a wife and two mini schnauzers, and peacefully using the bathroom as a reading room is out of the question. One gripes about it and the other two keep beating me on the legs with their toys.
35. Re:Reversed Rolls by Mister+Whirly · 2010-08-24 13:37 · Score: 1
  
  Yes. But as a not too popular nerdy type back in the day, even I was getting laid in high school. The teenage hormones overtook the geekiness every time. If all else fails, find a geek girl.
  
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36. Re:Reversed Rolls by MRe_nl · 2010-08-25 00:31 · Score: 1
  
  "Starship Troopers, which isn't exactly supposed to reflect modern society".
  I sincerely hope that is a joke. If not, I suggest you watch each and every Paul Verhoeven film (again).
  Star ship troopers is a commentary on fascist totalitarian militaristic regimes and societies, and the thin line between propaganda, advertising and lies. I bet you thought Showgirls was about Las Vegas?
  
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37. Re:Reversed Rolls by MBGMorden · 2010-08-25 01:27 · Score: 1
  
  We're discussing shower scenes here, not the deeper meanings of life. Unless the military is doing co-ed showers and racing off to shoot up some aliens, then it's not representative.
  
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38. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-25 06:25 · Score: 1
  
  (downloads application)
  
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39. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-25 06:28 · Score: 1
  
  >>>find a geek girl.
  Such things did not exist in my middle or high school during the 80s. Even the smart girls tended to go after the popular jock or outgoing types, so us nerds didn't stand a chance.
  I did have more success in college.
  
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40. Re:Reversed Rolls by commodore64_love · 2010-08-25 06:33 · Score: 1
  
  >>>people are pretty homophobic these day
  Funny? I would expect it to be just the opposite - society is more accepting of male-male or female-female partnerships.
  And where I went to college, people just stripped naked and took 2 steps into the shower. Then they got back out again, towel dried while fully nude, and eventually headed back to their room.
  Since I lived in a coed hall, I always made sure to wear more than just a towel. Usually shorts and a t-shirt, minimum.
  
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41. Re:Reversed Rolls by Xerolooper · 2010-08-25 07:19 · Score: 1
  
  >>>>people are pretty homophobic these day
  
  Funny? I would expect it to be just the opposite
  I can understand why a reasonable person would say that. I'm very open minded myself. But, my feelings are that people have become both more accepting and more paranoid. I remember 20 years ago in high school they had stopped requiring students to shower before going to the next period. We've lost our innocence when it comes to that, weather for good or bad, the growing pains are taking longer to subside. I guess there is a difference between being able to say my friend is gay and I support and love him as a friend and being worried about random boners.
  Also am I to understand you had coed showers at your college where do I sign up for that.
  Of course, other than insecurity about their body, guys who get slack jawed or worse around them are why women won't undress in front of men. Could be the same reasons for the guys?
  
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don't.. by MickyTheIdiot · 2010-08-24 04:50 · Score: 4, Funny

strong words in the staff room
the accusations fly!
1. Re:don't.. by dr_dank · 2010-08-24 05:38 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Those girls will really feel the Sting of their actions once the Police get involved.
  
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2. Re:don't.. by sconeu · 2010-08-24 06:16 · Score: 1
  
  OK. This entire story is over now, thanks to this thread.
  +1.
  
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3. Re:don't.. by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 10:54 · Score: 0
  
  Objection!!
In Soviet Sweden by Jedi+Alec · 2010-08-24 04:50 · Score: 1

The authorities are bugged by you?

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1. Re:In Soviet Sweden by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:04 · Score: 0
  
  Don't worry. In Soviet (european) Union the students mysteriously disappear to the Polish wilderness. Nobody gets away with bugging the government employees! ;-)
  
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Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by lorenlal · 2010-08-24 04:51 · Score: 2, Insightful

... never talk about fight club?
Yet another case of someone not understanding that when you put something up there on the web... Everyone can see it.
Nothing to see here... move along.
1. Re:Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by Mongoose+Disciple · 2010-08-24 05:58 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Really, it's just a modern iteration of the idea that if you commit a crime, don't f'ing talk about it!
  People have been boning that one since the Code of Hammurabi.
2. Re:Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by bickerdyke · 2010-08-24 06:50 · Score: 1
  
  Yep.
  We didn't start bragging about nicking the tests a few days in advance until we were long out of school....
  
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3. Re:Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by mea37 · 2010-08-24 07:46 · Score: 1
  
  Right, because up until FB came along, groups of people were really good at keeping secrets.
4. Re:Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by X0563511 · 2010-08-24 09:20 · Score: 1
  
  FB makes it a whole lot easier to massively fuck that up.
  Before, you had to get unlucky.
  
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5. Re:Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 12:35 · Score: 0
  
  No kidding. I didn't say a word about the password logger I installed in the computer labs in college until long after the statute of limitations expired, and I still don't talk about who helped me do it.
  Nor did I talk about the technique I used for removing their block on running ResEdit. (And it was long enough ago that ResEdit was very useful.)
  The admin password was handy for pirating prerelease software that the school got handed and put on the servers.
  And I'm still posting as AC, nearly 20 years later. :)
6. Re:Isn't the first rule of Fight Club... by mdwh2 · 2010-08-25 02:27 · Score: 1
  
  But what seems more odd to me that this sort of thing results in criminal charges.
  Yes, in my day, if you did something like this and bragged about it, you'd be caught and given something like a detention. (Police would only be involved if it was something very serious, and at the least, something involving harm to others.)
  I understand that Facebook is the modern analogy to telling everyone about it. I don't understand how police and criminal charges are now the modern analogy to school punishments.
sold! by toxonix · 2010-08-24 04:52 · Score: 5, Funny

You had me at "A pair of enterprising Swedish schoolgirls"
1. Re:sold! by istartedi · 2010-08-24 05:36 · Score: 1
  
  You had me at "a pair".
  
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2. Re:sold! by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:02 · Score: 0
  
  For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares?" Dude, your signature makes you look like an idiot. It's not intensive purposes. It's intents and purposes.
3. Re:sold! by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:22 · Score: 0
  
  Whoosh.
4. Re:sold! by smitty777 · 2010-08-24 06:23 · Score: 1
  
  To whom is this message directed?
  
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5. Re:sold! by fedos · 2010-08-24 07:11 · Score: 1
  
  No, you see that "whom" is still a word for all low-intensity purposes.
6. Re:sold! by ComaVN · 2010-08-24 07:24 · Score: 1
  
  Wooosh
  
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7. Re:sold! by elrous0 · 2010-08-24 09:17 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  He had me at "enterprise."
  
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8. Re:sold! by X0563511 · 2010-08-24 09:21 · Score: 1
  
  You know, my eyes skipped right over that and my brain parsed it correctly. I didn't even notice until you opened your mouth.
  Gee, it works. It conveyed the idea it was supposed to. Deal with it.
  
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Creative Cheating by realsilly · 2010-08-24 04:52 · Score: 2, Insightful

The method was clever, and the girls are smart enough to use bugging technology, but stupid enough to not actually apply their knowledge and learn something. I hope the court system teaches them a lesson that they won't forget, because a slap on the wrist (tiny fine) just isn't going to cut it.

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1. Re:Creative Cheating by The+MAZZTer · 2010-08-24 04:56 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know what kind of allowance YOU got or who's lawns/driveways YOU mowed/snow shoveled, but for me, during high school $270 was NOT "tiny".
2. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 04:57 · Score: 0
  
  They're just kids, they did well to get that far, give them time to figure out what cheating can be for. I was a straight up and down kid at school, teachers pet, father's slave and it didn't get me anywhere. I say these girls are doing better than I did.
3. Re:Creative Cheating by Jedi+Alec · 2010-08-24 04:58 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  For all we know they're 13 years old. Is it really worth it to really crack down on them or can we assume that both having to appear in court and the punishment their parents will apply on top of it are enough?
  What do you propose? Hard time? Bigger fines?
  
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4. Re:Creative Cheating by Arancaytar · 2010-08-24 04:59 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Also, stupid enough to go bragging about it on Facebook.
5. Re:Creative Cheating by MoonBuggy · 2010-08-24 04:59 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Where's that '-1: WTF' mod when I need it.
6. Re:Creative Cheating by sammyF70 · 2010-08-24 05:01 · Score: 1
  
  not sure whether to laugh or cry ...
  
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7. Re:Creative Cheating by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 05:01 · Score: 1
  
  Ha. So the punishment should be harsher just because they where clever? Also, the trial is already over - they got a 160$ fine, and they got to keep the dictaphone they used.
  
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8. Re:Creative Cheating by oodaloop · 2010-08-24 05:03 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, and if it were in Llira it would be in the hundreds of thousands! That's outrageous!
  
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9. Re:Creative Cheating by mwvdlee · 2010-08-24 05:03 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  I hope the court system teaches them a lesson that they won't forget, because a slap on the wrist (tiny fine) just isn't going to cut it.
  Indeed, these swedish girls deserve a spanking!
  
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10. Re:Creative Cheating by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 05:04 · Score: 1
  
  Also, note that it was "dagsböter", a Swedish form of fine based on a person's daily income. This was Lidingö, so presumably they (their parents) had some money to spare - a normal person would probably have gotten an order of magnitude smaller fine.
  
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11. Re:Creative Cheating by Austerity+Empowers · 2010-08-24 05:04 · Score: 1
  
  smart enough to use technology, not mature enough to realize that teachers have lives outside of school and probably don't spend time hanging around talking about how to torture students with exams.
12. Re:Creative Cheating by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:06 · Score: 0, Redundant
  
  Not as big as 27,000 pennies!
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13. Re:Creative Cheating by roman_mir · 2010-08-24 05:08 · Score: 1
  
  We should really not tell him about the Zimbabwe dollars, he may be inclined to convert, he'd be a tillionaire.
  
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14. Re:Creative Cheating by hoggoth · 2010-08-24 05:09 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  > Indeed, these swedish girls deserve a spanking!
  I'll be in my bunk.
  
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15. Re:Creative Cheating by boristdog · 2010-08-24 05:13 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  I used to be a high school teacher. You'd be amazed at how stupid the students think you are, and how amazed they are when they find out you have an actual life outside of school.
  Also, they think you can't hear or see 3 feet beyond the teacher's desk.
16. Re:Creative Cheating by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 05:14 · Score: 1
  
  You might not understand the Swedish concept of "dagsböter." Lidingö is a high-class neighbourhood, and dagsböter fines are judged from a person's daily income (or in this case, their parents.). Also, you fail at understanding exchange rates - 270 USD is 2000 SEK, means 2000SEK is worth the equivalent of 270$. So the fine is, indeed, 270$.
  
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17. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:15 · Score: 0
  
  But how high would it be in Zimbabwe Dollars? Back in 2009 when the world decided that the money in Monopoly was better legal tender than Zimbabwe's dollar, That fine would have been 81,000,000,000,000,000 (based on black market money trading figures). That's 81 quadrillion Zimbabwe dollars.
18. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:22 · Score: 0
  
  Sweden. Not saudi arabia!
19. Re:Creative Cheating by TheLink · 2010-08-24 05:22 · Score: 1
  
  Heh if I were a high school teacher and had students that silly, I'd give them facebook quizzes to answer as homework/punishment...
  
  And they'd have to like it!
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20. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:26 · Score: 0
  
  No matter how it turns out they're lucky. In the US these girls would probably be convicted felons by now doing jail time.
21. Re:Creative Cheating by Tukz · 2010-08-24 05:35 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  What the hell are you talking about?
  Do you not comprehend how currency works, at all?
  
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22. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:35 · Score: 0
  
  Pretty sure that MoonBuggy got the exchange concept. Perhaps you meant to reply to DarkKnightRadick?
23. Re:Creative Cheating by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 05:42 · Score: 1
  
  "If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it."
  
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24. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:45 · Score: 0
  
  I used to be a high school student. You'd be amazed at how stupid the teachers think you are, and how amazed they are when they find out you actually have thoughts beyond the school programme.
  Oh wait, I just learned that some of the teachers have been students in their past?! Good god how my brain hurts!
25. Re:Creative Cheating by CheshireCatCO · 2010-08-24 05:49 · Score: 1
  
  That is generally the way of cheating. Unless you put a good amount of effort into cheating, in most cases, the faculty or graders will notice. They don't always do anything (it's always a hassle and administrations are often hostile to cheating cases), but they notice a lot more than students may think.
  You can, of course, put a lot of effort into it and do a good job of cheating, but then... why not study?
26. Re:Creative Cheating by ElectricTurtle · 2010-08-24 05:51 · Score: 1
  
  He didn't say public lashing.
  
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27. Re:Creative Cheating by troll8901 · 2010-08-24 06:05 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  ... how amazed they are when they find out you have an actual life outside of school.
  And with modern technology, the moment they see you, your precious moments will be recorded, shared and stored for eternity.
28. Re:Creative Cheating by tverbeek · 2010-08-24 06:09 · Score: 1
  
  What did they think.... that the teachers would sit around discussing what questions they would include on the test, and maybe state the answers aloud? I've never hung out in a teacher's staff room, but I would imagine that if they talk about school matters at all (rather than who they liked on Swedish Idol last night, or whatever), they're complaining to each other about lousy students, bad working conditions, etc. These girls deserve to be left back because of how naive their plan was in the first place.
  
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29. Re:Creative Cheating by bgarcia · 2010-08-24 06:12 · Score: 1
  
  Sigh. I miss that show.
  
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30. Re:Creative Cheating by Boona · 2010-08-24 06:12 · Score: 1
  
  I use to be a high-school student. You'd be amazed at how stupid some teachers truly are, and how empathetical, uninterested and downright robotic they sometimes act. If that is how they behaved with us, it's hard to imagine any meaningful life outside of school.
  Also, because of the forced near slave relationship with our teachers (Do everything you are told, you must satisfy me and only my feelings matter. And the diametrically opposed student situation where you have no say in what happens in the classroom, your satisfaction is unimportant and how you feel about any subject matter is irrelevant now sit down and do your work.) predictably our only form of self-empowerment was trough passive aggressive acts.
31. Re:Creative Cheating by mysidia · 2010-08-24 06:16 · Score: 1
  
  Hm.. that's hardly fair. Their parents did not suggest that they do this.
  What happens to the kids when they don't pay the fine, because they don't have the cash, and they are being punished, so the last thing the parents will do is lend the money?
32. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:17 · Score: 0
  
  And then the oral sex!
33. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:17 · Score: 0
  
  Indeed, these swedish girls deserve a spanking!
  Only on slashdot could this be modded "insightful"
34. Re:Creative Cheating by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 06:21 · Score: 1
  
  No, in that case it's the parent's debt. Until you are 18 years of age, your parents take the final financial responsibility for everything you do. Although you are criminally responsible and can be imprisoned for your own actions from 15 years of age.
  
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35. Re:Creative Cheating by Seth+Kriticos · 2010-08-24 06:22 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  The most important rule when you do stupid crap like this is: you shut up about it.
  But I guess that what school is for: they are learning their lesson.. the hard way.
36. Re:Creative Cheating by Kjella · 2010-08-24 06:23 · Score: 1
  
  No, they could not be 13 as the age of criminal responsibility is 15. The school they went to (I found a Swedish article) had grades 1-9 = 7-16, so 15-16 year olds.
  
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37. Re:Creative Cheating by kno3 · 2010-08-24 06:37 · Score: 1
  
  You can pretty much always improve your grade by cheating. Also, some people's intelligence is not that well trained to passing exams.
38. Re:Creative Cheating by Kjella · 2010-08-24 06:40 · Score: 1
  
  Well, I can't speak much for the US but here in Norway almost all school teachers are public and you get very little reward for being good at it. So every year like clockwork there's an article about how low the intake requirements for teachers are, because most the bright people want to do something else. Personally I did end up taking one year together with people who would be math teachers before I got into the study I wanted and saw it first hand. And math is still one of the better subjects. Sure, you can get one of the idealists but the presumption is hanging over you before you first enter the classroom and they're just looking for confirmation.
  I did have one of those for example in IT. Our surprise was big when the tax info (public in Norway) got around, he was making good money on software he'd written earlier and was teaching now because he wanted to. Of course that didn't stop us from being annoying teens and all, but it put him in a completely different light. Particularly the game we kept copying onto the network, he never caught who it was... For some reason though they introduced named accounts during my time there ;)
  
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39. Re:Creative Cheating by balbus000 · 2010-08-24 06:41 · Score: 1
  
  A spanking! A spanking! Yes, they could take them to the Castle Anthrax!
40. Re:Creative Cheating by boristdog · 2010-08-24 06:41 · Score: 1
  
  Also, because of the forced near slave relationship with our teachers (Do everything you are told, you must satisfy me and only my feelings matter. And the diametrically opposed student situation where you have no say in what happens in the classroom, your satisfaction is unimportant and how you feel about any subject matter is irrelevant now sit down and do your work.) predictably our only form of self-empowerment was trough passive aggressive acts.
  You'd be amazed to know that none of the above has anything to do with teachers but everything to do with clueless school administrators, idiotic legislation and lawyer-happy parents.
  A real teacher wants to teach you any way they can and have you learn any way you can.
41. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 06:43 · Score: 1
  
  I get the exchange concept as well.
  
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42. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 06:45 · Score: 1
  
  or neither. I'm implying that the exchange rate isn't 1-to-1, but instead nearly ten-to-one (ten kroner to one dollar).
  
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43. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 06:46 · Score: 1
  
  and how many folks in Zimbabwe have even a tenth of that?
  
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44. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 06:47 · Score: 1
  
  The exchange rate between the top currency in the US (the dollar) and the top currency in Sweden (the kroner) is nearly 10-to-1, that's all I was trying to point out. Some people were saying it's an outrageous fine, but once you convert it into USD, it doesn't seem that much (still a weeks wage for folks working at Wal*Mart though)
  
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45. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 06:49 · Score: 0
  
  I do.
  2,000 SEK = 270 USD, an exchange rate of nearly 10-to-1.
  When you convert into USD, 2,000 SEK doesn't seem to be all that much anymore (though technically it is the same amount).
  
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46. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 07:01 · Score: 0
  
  A spanking! A spanking!
47. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 07:02 · Score: 0
  
  Yes well if you were a Canadian teacher, they'd probably be right - You'd be too busy thinking about what to do with your 12 weeks of paid vacation and the 21 hours a day you don't work...
48. Re:Creative Cheating by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 07:15 · Score: 1
  
  $270 USD might be a small fine for us, but 2,000 kroner sounds like a lot (instead of it being 270 kroner = 270 USD it's nearly ten times that).
  I don't mean to inflame (I really don't), but that's conceptually wrong. 2000 SEK is worth the equivalent of 270 USD... etc. Unless you where making a subtle joke about the mistake itself? *confused*
  
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49. Re:Creative Cheating by sjames · 2010-08-24 07:16 · Score: 1
  
  Absolutely. If they want to spy on people, they need to get their teaching credentials and get a job in the U.S. Then they'll have carte blanche.
50. Re:Creative Cheating by cyber0ne · 2010-08-24 07:55 · Score: 1
  
  I do.
  I really don't think you do.
  
  By your logic we can reduce the effect of the fine by having them pay it in 50-kroner notes. That way they only have to pay 40 of them instead of 2,000 of them. 40 is less, so it's not as big a deal.
  
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51. Re:Creative Cheating by Chowderbags · 2010-08-24 08:02 · Score: 1
  
  Sweden is kind of a cruel place to live: amazingly hot women, yet their climate never gets warm enough to let them run around in bikinis.
52. Re:Creative Cheating by couchslug · 2010-08-24 08:31 · Score: 1
  
  "And with modern technology, the moment they see you, your precious moments will be recorded, shared and stored for eternity."
  The way to deal with that is to fucking vanish when not at work. I learned that one in the military and apply it to working in education. Outside of a select group, I don't fucking want to know anyone and I'm not missing much.
  
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53. Re:Creative Cheating by hoggoth · 2010-08-24 08:33 · Score: 1
  
  And they typically have nice big firm chowderbags (you see what I did there?)
  
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54. Re:Creative Cheating by Stewie241 · 2010-08-24 09:15 · Score: 1
  
  They you might actually learn something in the process. And that's no fun.
55. Re:Creative Cheating by xSander · 2010-08-24 09:44 · Score: 1
  
  Uh, no. Those girls are probably relieved they got away with a 2000 SEK fine. If it had been, say, $500, they would be less happy about it.
56. Re:Creative Cheating by Gaian-Orlanthii · 2010-08-24 09:56 · Score: 1
  
  You'd be amazed to know that none of the above has anything to do with teachers but everything to do with clueless school administrators, idiotic legislation and lawyer-happy parents.
  So I assume you never went to an Irish catholic school then.
57. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 09:57 · Score: 1
  
  Possibly, I was pointing out that, to those not familiar with the exchange rate (as seemed to be the case to the person I posted in reply to), it might seem that 2,000 kroners was a lot.
  
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58. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 09:58 · Score: 1
  
  No. I was saying that 2,000 kroner SOUNDS like a lot but it isn't as bad as it sounds (though in Sweden it probably is a lot, I've noticed that in countries with currencies weaker than the dollar, everything is relatively higher than it would be here).
  
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59. Re:Creative Cheating by DarkKnightRadick · 2010-08-24 10:00 · Score: 1
  
  You are completely missing the point.
  It SOUNDS like it is a lot when it isn't that much (at least to us in a country with a stronger currency (though I don't see how that's possible given inflation and all that).
  
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60. Re:Creative Cheating by azalin · 2010-08-24 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  that's why the swedish like saunas so much - otoh no running around in bikinis there either, but there are worse things than a total lack of bikinis
61. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 10:19 · Score: 0
  
  There is an important lesson for them to take away from this, and that lesson is KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT."
  It's a lesson everybody should learn at some point in their lives. If these two can figure that out, they might have a very bright future indeed.
62. Re:Creative Cheating by DrugCheese · 2010-08-24 10:34 · Score: 1
  
  $270 is a lot of money for little girls. I applaud a court system for a fair punishment and let's just hope their parents enforce it by making the girls pay for it.
  In the U.S. the girls would've been charged no less than $27,000 and been permanently kicked out of school.
  
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63. Re:Creative Cheating by Nyder · 2010-08-24 11:10 · Score: 1
  
  I used to be a high school teacher. You'd be amazed at how stupid the students think you are, and how amazed they are when they find out you have an actual life outside of school.
  Also, they think you can't hear or see 3 feet beyond the teacher's desk.
  No, I was a high school student once, I remember how smart we thought we were.
  lol
  It's funny, cause now as an adult, I see kids doing crap I used to do, and just ignore them, and I figure they probably don't think I know whats going on.
  Stupid kids make for some good stories though.
  
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64. Re:Creative Cheating by JonJ · 2010-08-24 11:22 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, maybe we should apply some good ol' American punishment and just have them executed? Jesus, they're kids! Why should relatively innocent mistakes made when you're young haunt you for the rest of your life?
  
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65. Re:Creative Cheating by cjp · 2010-08-24 11:30 · Score: 1
  
  Interesting, I just left Norway after working their 19 months (a normal job, and teaching at a hogeskole for a semester), and would have thought that Norway, being socialist and emphasising education and so forth would have decent pay for teachers. That's depressing.
  What's the variation in pay from primary school teaching through to university??
66. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 11:48 · Score: 0
  
  Loved the Jayne reference. Thanks for the laugh!
67. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 13:32 · Score: 0
  
  > Indeed, these swedish girls deserve a spanking!
  I'll be in my bunk.
  I'll be in my bunk.
68. Re:Creative Cheating by don_bear_wilkinson · 2010-08-24 14:41 · Score: 1
  
  ...swedish schoolgirls... ...hard... ....bigger....
  Uhhuh
  *jog head* What were we talking about?
  
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69. Re:Creative Cheating by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 21:35 · Score: 0
  
  You're still having trouble with this exchange rate thing aren't you?
  Say someone in the US earns $270 a week, then that $270 is a weeks wage.
  Well, in Sweden, someone doing an equivalent job is likely to be paid roughly around 2000 kronor a week... so it's still a week's wage.
  You see how that works?
  Okay, well I hope you do. Now here's another example to help you further grasp the situation. Imagine the Swedish worker doing the same job instead gets 3000 kronor a week. Is the $270 fine going to be better or worse for them when they have 1000 kronor left over but the US worker has 0 USD left over?
  I'll help you, the Swedish worker is better off because $270 is less of an issue to them- it's less than a weeks wage, but for the US worker, it's a whole weeks wage.
  I hope this helps you understand why just because the numerical value is higher, doesn't necessarily mean the currency is weaker.
  It's comments like this that show you don't know wtf you're on about:
  "No. I was saying that 2,000 kroner SOUNDS like a lot but it isn't as bad as it sounds (though in Sweden it probably is a lot,"
  It makes no sense, because in Sweden it's still the equivalent of $270.
70. Re:Creative Cheating by mdwh2 · 2010-08-25 02:32 · Score: 1
  
  Is England the only country in the world where we still, you know, have school punishments rather than shipping young children off to prison because they stole a pencil or whatever?
discussions about upcoming tests by Culture20 · 2010-08-24 04:53 · Score: 1

discussions about upcoming tests and school work, [...] It worked

No it didn't. What they really learned was standard teacher gossip: which teachers were having affairs with other teachers, etc.
1. Re:discussions about upcoming tests by eleuthero · 2010-08-24 05:03 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know about your teacher breakroom, but as an actual teacher, the conversation is quite similar to what you'd find in a normal breakroom - which movies / tv shows are of current interest, stuff going on at church/volunteer organization x, crazy situation that happened over the weekend with family, and difficulties with a particular aspect of work.
  
  This last usually revolves around a student, whose last name is never mentioned to maintain privacy (and usually not the full first name either), and request for advice on how to deal with a behavior / academic problem.
  
  Tests are never discussed in detail with the possible exception of English essays, so I'm not sure what the girls hoped to accomplish. Even with English essays, specific questions might get passed around a table and comments made along the lines of... "needs to be a bit more analytical material on this one" or "you might consider asking about x as it relates to 'that'" where "that" is never specified. Could some information be gleaned? Sure. But would it be worth bothering to bug the teacher's lounge? No.
2. Re:discussions about upcoming tests by Culture20 · 2010-08-24 06:05 · Score: 1
  
  Tests are never discussed in detail with the possible exception of English essays
  Unless they were taking English for foreign language credit, the Swedish girls would have been very confused. ;)
3. Re:discussions about upcoming tests by eleuthero · 2010-08-24 06:15 · Score: 1
  
  I would assume the same would hold true in Swedish breakrooms as well as American, but I could easily be wrong. Different cultures do have widely varying practices. In the case of breakroom talk, it has been virtually the same in every country I've visited or lived in (though I must confess to never having been to Sweden, so maybe it's different there).
4. Re:discussions about upcoming tests by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:44 · Score: 0
  
  English is mandatory, and not something taken for credits. If you want that you learn german, french, spanish or something similar.
5. Re:discussions about upcoming tests by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 07:16 · Score: 0
  
  So they can blackmail their teachers in order to get better grades now...
6. Re:discussions about upcoming tests by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 07:29 · Score: 0
  
  I think it is safe to say that none of the girls had the experience of teachers breakrooms that you do. They couldn't know that it wan't worth it until they tried.
proof by Twillerror · 2010-08-24 04:54 · Score: 1

Girls can't keep their traps shut.
Should this be called facebook-itis? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 04:55 · Score: 3, Interesting

Why is it that so many people don't seem to understand the concept of "Things You Don't Discuss In Public" anymore? Do they not think that the world wide web is public? The whole point of Facebook was supposed to be getting in touch with people and communicating with them, yet the way many people carry on, it's like they don't realize the whole world is able to look and see a permanent record of what they're doing.
The worst part is, this isn't even the stupidest braging I've ever seen done on facebook - one example I've seen was where one idiot was using lawsuits as a harrassment tool against someone they'd had a falling out with, and was constantly bragging on facebook about their next wonderful plan, and how "That idiot will never see this coming! There's no way they'll be ready for it!". Sadly, they had forgotten to un-friend the person they were suing, so their target received a steady stream of updates on what to expect next.
1. Re:Should this be called facebook-itis? by g0bshiTe · 2010-08-24 05:00 · Score: 1
  
  The next bash.org will be dumb Facebook brags. Someone make that.
  
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2. Re:Should this be called facebook-itis? by MarkGriz · 2010-08-24 05:38 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Already done
  
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3. Re:Should this be called facebook-itis? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:39 · Score: 0
  
  failbook.org?
4. Re:Should this be called facebook-itis? by Archangel+Michael · 2010-08-24 07:04 · Score: 1
  
  I hate you*. Thanks to you, I now have a new website that I'll spend hours wasting time on reading. THAT is some of the funniest stuff I've seen in a while.
  *not really, but you know what I mean
  
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5. Re:Should this be called facebook-itis? by MarkGriz · 2010-08-24 07:17 · Score: 1
  
  "Thanks to you, I now have a new website that I'll spend hours wasting time on reading"
  Glad to know I'm not alone.
  You're Welcome!
  
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Oblig by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 04:57 · Score: 0

http://xkcd.com/385/
Maybe the case will be dropped? by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 04:57 · Score: 4, Interesting

Ya know..... the same way the case in Pennsylvania was dropped when the teachers were caught spying on the girls' bedrooms.
Psyche.
Spying == okay when it's a government employee. Some people are more equal than others.

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1. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 05:11 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Nice anti government rant. Too bad the facts don't fit. Here's the report from the independent investigation. http://www.lmsd.org/documents/news/100503_ballard_spahr_report.pdf The FBI investigated the case and found there was not enough evidence to convict anyone of criminal charges. Are you claiming the FBI is in cahoots with the Lower Marion School District? Are you honestly saying the FBI will not prosecute low level government employees because the FBI feels it is the right of any government employee to spy on citizens? Put down the Kool-Aid and take off the tinfoil hat.
  
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2. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by krazytekn0 · 2010-08-24 05:25 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  But it's not trendy on slashdot to be logical about government and police practices!
  
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3. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 05:26 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  Such things do not happen here in Sweden, because we have a functioning public high-school system. The US does not, from my understanding it's more like a part-time juvenile detention facility where you can choose to study if you feel like it. Also, the colder cultural climate (often mistaken as "chronic suicidal depression on a country-wide scale") might be a contributor to not running into hot-headed schemes.
  
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4. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by fermion · 2010-08-24 05:37 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  It is the expectations of kids versus the expectations of adults. Kids, being still developing adult humans, have a hard time seeing beyond themselves. They want to do what they want to do and don't expect consequences. Like when that 19 year old drove off the bridge today. He was probably going too fast and maybe could not take the curve. We cannot sue the engineer because the kid did not expect consequences. Suing a school or an engineer is not going to change behavior.
  The expectation of any teacher in the school environment is lack of privacy. Someone could always be listening, so the issue is not that the girls were bugging the teachers lounge. The issue is that in the real world such an action can get you in real trouble, loss of job, loss of license, etc, so if we are to encourage proper behavior, then consequences need to exist. Not because of harm done, but to encourage children to move away from actions that could be fatal or near fatal alter on.
  
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5. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Music2Eat · 2010-08-24 05:37 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe the FBI doesn't want the courts to rule on any spying charges that might effect their own efforts. It'd be a little embarrassing for them to have the defense attorney's bring up questionable cases of the FBI spying on citizens. Worst case scenario for them would be to have a ruling that was general enough to force them to stop some of their own activities. Much easier to say, they didn't mean any harm, we're just gonna let them go.
  
  Also, that report you linked was funded by the Board of School Directors and is hardly "independent", even though it claims to be.
6. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 05:39 · Score: 1
  
  No, I can source this. I have a relative who works for the smithsonian on a project to establish professional links between the US and Swedish education systems. His opinion after having seen both is that the US high school system is utter garbage compared to the Swedish.
  
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7. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 05:49 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  >>>The FBI investigated the case and found there was not enough evidence to convict anyone of criminal charges.
  The FBI also investigated the Black Panthers that were standing in front of voting polls, and intimidating white voters, and found not enough evidence to convict anyone even though there's TONS of evidence (video, eyewitness testimony). So I think it's understandable why I don't trust the FBI's judgement on this or any other matters.
  .
  >>>Are you claiming the FBI is in cahoots with...
  Strawman argument. I never said anything of the kind. HOWEVER there was a camera placed inside bedrooms that could spy on (and was used to photograph) Pennsylvanian children. That alone is reason enough to prosecute. It's an illegal search by a government authority without Judge-issued warrant.
  
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8. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 06:06 · Score: 1
  
  How could it affect their own efforts? They are the freaking FBI, not the Lower Marion School district. It's their job to spy, when given authorization. Prosecuting the LMSB could not in any way affect their ability to spy themselves. You really think the FBI is cool with just any old government employee spying? That's the FBI's turf!
  Read the independent investigation. There was not enough evidence of wrongdoing to prosecute. The school district got consent from the parents when they lent out the computers.
  
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9. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Music2Eat · 2010-08-24 06:32 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, I think an overly broad court ruling could effect the FBI's ability to spy.
  
  Why do you keep calling it an "independent" investigation. As I said, this "independent" investigation was funded by the Lower Marion Board of School Directors. How exactly is that independent? Because they claim it is? Big surprise, they found no wrong doing!
  
  Did you even read the investigation? They even admit that the consent forms made no mention of the existence or capabilities of the LANrev TheftTrack feature.
  
  From the report:
  
  Students and their parents or guardians were required to sign the District’s guidelines concerning the acceptable use of LMSD’s local network. Those guidelines – which were prepared several years before the District launched the One-to-One initiative – do not address the issues specifically raised by the issuance of laptops to students, including the existence or capabilities of the LANrev TheftTrack feature. Families able to pay also were required to pay annual insurance fees and insurance deductible payments in the event of laptop theft or damage. The District’s communications about the insurance requirements also did not disclose the existence or capabilities of TheftTrack.
10. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 06:49 · Score: 1
  
  I don't think any sort of court ruling in this case could hurt the FBI's ability to spy. I think the history of the FBI going after people who do spy illegally proves this point.
  
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11. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Hizonner · 2010-08-24 06:50 · Score: 2, Informative
  OK, let's just have a look at that report, shall we?
  "Activations" involving photographs on laptops issued to students were grouped into these categories:
  
  "Stolen student laptops". AKA "playing cop and spying on people who probably stole laptops". 18,782 photographs, 17,258 screenshots. Probably no legal authority. If you or I had done it: probably given a pass because we were trying to identify a Bad Guy and legitimately had no idea where the machines were... however, it's also probably illegal. There's no legal exemption I know of for peeping to find your stolen property. That's for law enforcement with warrants, not random school officials.
  
  "Laptops Not Returned by Students Who Withdrew from School". AKA "playing cop and spying on kids who may have stolen or forgotten to return laptops". 2,366 photographs, 1,332 screenshots. Doesn't say whether they tried, you know, calling the kids on the phone first. Report says "In any event, the wisdom and propriety of activating image tracking in these circumstances are questionable at best." Actual legal justification for doing this: zero. If you or I had done it: criminal charges probable.
  
  "Missing Student Laptops". AKA "if we give them the benefit of the doubt, just taking a peek through the webcam and hoping they can recognize where the machine is". 6,693 photographs, 6,693 screenshots. Photographs probably legal if they weren't actually trying to watch any actual person. Screenshots probably wiretapping. If you or I had done it: get a good lawyer, but you might skate by claiming the screenshots were inadvertant..
  
  "Image-Tracking of Laptop for Which Insurance Fees Were Unpaid". AKA "total overreaction, spying on a kid to get information about a machine you accidentally handed to him, with no suspicion of any intent to on his part to steal it, no attempt to contact him, and reason to suspect he wouldn't just cooperate with you if you did contact him, plus bonus escalation to an investigation of personal activities (probably sex chat) based on a screen shot.". 210 photographs, many taken after the precise physical location of the laptop was established. If you or I did it: criminal charges probable.
  
  "Mistake Activations for Student Laptops". AKA "random incompetence". 6 photographs, 4 screenshots. If you or I had done it: honest mistake, we'd probably be OK.
  
  "Activations for Student Laptops for Reasons Unknown". AKA "nobody bothered to say why", 3/10, "nobody bothered to say anything at all", 7/10. 2,507 photographs, 2,212 screenshots. If you or I did it: probably legally OK because burden would be on the prosecution to prove we did it on purpose and for invalid purposes. However, they'd probably have tried to charge us anyhow, given that it involved kids.
  US attorney's decision: "no sufficient evidence of criminal intent"... despite the intentional commission of multiple clearly criminal acts by multiple people working in concert over a long period of time. Chance that you or I would get that kind of consideration for our stupidity or ignorance of the law: approximately zero. Unless we worked for some kind of corporation or other institution with "respectability", in which case the US attorney would similarly serve "justice" by letting us go. It's amazing how much the credibility of the evidence against you varies by who you are.
  Bottom line: these people were let skate because they were "nice" types working for the "good guys" and "just trying to do their jobs". Identical behavior by an average citizen acting alone would probably get criminal charges. Identical behavior by somebody actually "anti-establishment" would probably get hundreds, maybe thousands of counts, plus conspiracy and a whole raft of add-ons, and a serious drive for a conviction... which would probably succeed, because the behavior really is illegal.
  NO, the Feds don't think it's the right of any government employee to spy on citizens. YES, the Feds won't treat your
12. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by jvkjvk · 2010-08-24 07:05 · Score: 1
  
  Umm, yes?
  I believe that if this case was, say, Best Buy, the FBI would have prosecuted with the exact same set of facts.
  IF you think that is tin-foil had, i really will feel sorry for you.
13. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 07:20 · Score: 1
  
  Wow. Okay, thanks for being honest.
  
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14. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Music2Eat · 2010-08-24 08:26 · Score: 1
  
  Really? So you don't think a ruling stating that monitoring an American citizen's internet activity would require a court ordered search warrant would have any bearing on something like this? http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9926899-7.html
15. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by amohat · 2010-08-24 08:44 · Score: 1
  
  "Are you honestly saying the FBI will not prosecute..."
  YES YES YES
  I am honestly saying the FBI is not honest. In this case, in particular, totally dishonest. And this is not new, it's just Tuesday.
16. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  I think it is accurate to say that the LMSD case has as much bearing on the FBI wanting more wiretap powers as Santa Claus' desire for milk and cookies does.
  
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17. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 08:53 · Score: 1
  
  You are saying that the FBI will protect some random low level local government employee, because if they did not, they might have their spying powers limited? That is going far further than saying the FBI is not honest.
  Thanks for clarifying your position. There are so many people here, it is nice to have the idiots self identify so I can spend more time conversing with people of intelligence.
  
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18. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by jopsen · 2010-08-24 09:06 · Score: 1
  
  I've watched a few episodes of the daily show... And from what I can tell, "it's not trendy in America to be logical about government and police practices!" :)
19. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 09:27 · Score: 0
  
  > They then went to a spy shop, bought bugging equipment
  The government needs to crack down on these spy shops!
20. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Music2Eat · 2010-08-24 09:38 · Score: 1
  
  Just like you'd say that the parent's signed consent forms agreeing to the TheftTrack software, and how you'd say that a study funded by the defendants is an independent study. I think spun is a very appropriate name for you, since all you do is spin.
21. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 09:45 · Score: 1
  
  And I said that they were morally in the wrong, and should have been prosecuted, and should lose the civil case. Yes, I am just a master of spin, pushing my nefarious agenda. Remind me what it was again?
  
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22. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by Nyder · 2010-08-24 11:11 · Score: 1
  
  Ya know..... the same way the case in Pennsylvania was dropped when the teachers were caught spying on the girls' bedrooms.
  Psyche.
  Spying == okay when it's a government employee. Some people are more equal than others.
  You do understand that Sweden isn't a part of America right? It has it's own laws to abuse, I mean, use.
  
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23. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by spun · 2010-08-24 12:07 · Score: 1
  
  Where is it trendy to be logical about government and police practices and what do I have to do to live there?
  
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24. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by jopsen · 2010-08-25 12:14 · Score: 1
  
  I would say that fear of government and police in Denmark is very modest...
  
  That said, it's probably easier to get a Swedish citizenship, their internet is also faster, so that would be my recommendation... :)
25. Re:Maybe the case will be dropped? by amohat · 2010-08-31 09:56 · Score: 1
  
  Wait, were you thanking me for the clarification that I have yet to post?
  Or did you self-clarify my post yourself and then call me an idiot because your clarification sucked? I'm going to assume that you weren't confessing to being the self-identifying idiot, but that's not clear either ;)
  Anyway, I'm saying that the FBI is not beyond reproach, and they enforce the law inconsistently and unfairly, and thus dishonestly. They have quite the sordid history, and often its not clear exactly who made the call or why. Of course, sometimes they get it right; this is the basis of their glorious stature in our society. But when they get it wrong, it's usually a fucking disaster, like with the supreme court...no more appeals.
  In this case, you gotta be fucking kidding me if you think they got it right. Why won't they make a case? Are they so brilliant that they can accurately predict the case is so flawed that it would fail in court? Are they so cynical that they don't agree that it would be valuable to prosecute the case regardless of the outcome, in the interest of justice and/or accountability? Are they underfunded/understaffed and cannot mount a proper case due to an inadequate investigation? Would working this case threaten other cases, or (golly) national security somehow?
  Give me a fucking break. I don't need to prove their motivations---or even fathom any guesses---to know when they are fucking up. This case is clear: the FBI has done a disservice to the American people here.
  As far as your sarcastic "protect some random low level local government employee" theory...yeah, actually that is spot on. In another context, it's called the Blue Shield or whatever. Professional courtesy, from another point of view. The FBI is supposed to step in when the local authorities cannot be trusted to serve justice, which very much sounds like the case here. Is there pressure to keep the FBI from prosecuting local law enforcement due to apparent incompetence or corruption? Fuck yes, how naive could you be? That's like the nuclear option, and they use it about as often, for about the same reasons. I can only assume in this case, the FBI were like, "meh, we're busy, call us when you got a terrorist". Too bad, because lay people looking at this case are like "this is fucked up and represents everything wrong with government" and we are all losers as a result.
Who do they think they are? by Thinine · 2010-08-24 04:57 · Score: 1

Veronica Mars? Amateurs...
1. Re:Who do they think they are? by smooth+wombat · 2010-08-24 05:53 · Score: 1
  
  If they look like Veronica Mars and are amateurs, I would be more than willing to help make them professionals.
  
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Girls... by Securityemo · 2010-08-24 04:57 · Score: 1

It's *cloak* and dagger, not just dagger. Remember that next time.

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1. Re:Girls... by snookerhog · 2010-08-24 05:28 · Score: 1
  
  dagger!??!
  I hardly know her!
Scooby Doo by DIplomatic · 2010-08-24 04:59 · Score: 2, Funny

So Facebook has become a Scooby Doo villain? How many stories have we seen recently that go "Plan X worked perfectly until someone bragged about it / posted pics on Facebook."?
1. Re:Scooby Doo by Korin43 · 2010-08-24 05:08 · Score: 1
  
  No, Facebook is becoming the Scooby gang. "And I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for me posting the details of my plan on that meddling Facebook!"
2. Re:Scooby Doo by Mashiki · 2010-08-24 05:12 · Score: 1
  
  Nah people are still the villains. FB just makes my job easier in catching them, since they give me all the evidence.
  
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3. Re:Scooby Doo by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 06:38 · Score: 0
  
  Geez, didn't anyone watch Scooby Doo as a kid?
  It would have gone like this:
  Old School
  Freddy: Let's split up and look for clues. Daphnie and I'll go this way.. Shaggy, Velma, and Scooby go that way....
  
  New School:
  Freddy: This is quite a mystery! Let's all head to the malt shop with WiFi access and check Facebook for clues...
  Shaggy: Hehehe, malt shop for clues? I can search for clues at a malt shop! [visions of endless malts and hotdogs]
  Scooby: Mweee tooo!
If they had only kept their mouths shut by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:00 · Score: 0

They might have had a future in politics.
As it stands now, they will have to settle for a job teaching.
Public Performance by ThatOtherGuy435 · 2010-08-24 05:06 · Score: 3, Funny

It's a good thing there wasn't any music being played in the break room, or the local branch of the RIAA would have had them crucified.
the human factor is the weakest link by Drakkenmensch · 2010-08-24 05:08 · Score: 1

The best scheme only ever lasts as long as the weakest member's ability to shut the hell up about it...
1. Re:the human factor is the weakest link by spun · 2010-08-24 06:43 · Score: 1
  
  Human factor? It's usually the dog who rats me out. Damn dog can't keep his fool snout shut. Take last week, he comes out chewing on some new Manolo Blahniks slathered in caviar and the wife says, "Where did you get those? Are you guys running numbers again?" and the dog is like, "Haha, running numbers? That's so last week, we're running an Internet porn site now!" and I'm like "dog... shut up dog. Ixnay on the ornpay, dog" but he's a dog, all he hears is "dog blah blah blah dog blah blah." Damn dog.
  
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The first rule of spy club by MarkGriz · 2010-08-24 05:10 · Score: 2, Funny

is dont talk about spy club

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Unfair play by bluhatter · 2010-08-24 05:15 · Score: 3, Insightful

Some of you may recall the story about school administrators using laptop cameras to spy on its students ( link to article ). In that case, no charges were could be brought against the school administrators. How is it that students doing the same to their administrators are treated as criminals, then? This world is so confusing.

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1. Re:Unfair play by krazytekn0 · 2010-08-24 05:29 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  The answer to your question is this really strange and I know, hard to understand, concept of.... Ready... Different countries sometimes don't have all their laws written exactly the same.... I know it's crazy huh? Never would have thought of it.
  
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2. Re:Unfair play by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 16:10 · Score: 0
  
  Well, as the other commenter said, different countries.
  But also, the school activated a function on a device that belongs to them. The kids brought the machines into their homes voluntarily, knowing that the school could do this. They didn't go to these peoples homes, drill holes in the walls and drop in bugging equipment.
  Slightly different, I'd say.
Wait, its a teacher's lounge by toxonix · 2010-08-24 05:17 · Score: 1

I think the bugged conversation would be more like: "Dude Agda is the hot one." "No way, Ulva is way hotter. Did you see the knee socks? Thats hot." "Whatever, I'd totally do both of them."
Back in my day ... by PPH · 2010-08-24 05:29 · Score: 4, Insightful

..., the girls slept with teachers to get inside information about exams.
You kids stay off my lawn!

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So it's ok... by roc97007 · 2010-08-24 05:47 · Score: 1

...for teachers to bug students, but not for students to bug teachers?

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1. Re:So it's ok... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:58 · Score: 0
  
  Who is suggesting that it's okay for teachers to bug students?
2. Re:So it's ok... by imthesponge · 2010-08-24 07:11 · Score: 1
  
  Probably referring to this.
3. Re:So it's ok... by Nyder · 2010-08-24 11:15 · Score: 1
  
  ...for teachers to bug students, but not for students to bug teachers?
  Apparently in America it's okay for teachers to bug their students.
  But in Sweden, it's not okay for students to bug their teachers.
  2 different countries, 2 different set of laws on stuff.
  So comparing them is sort of stupid, seeing as Sweden probably has different laws then the USA.
  So basicly, while we are all pretty sure you can't bug the teachers in the USA, it's still up in the air if Swedish teachers can bug their students.
  Waiting on that to happen and see what the Swedish do about it.
  Until then, there is NO compare.
  
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View from inside the break room ... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 05:50 · Score: 0

Such silly girls ... we teachers never talk about the content of our upcoming tests when we're in the break room. We talk about problem students and sometimes their parents, too!
Bush dropped the black panther case by spun · 2010-08-24 06:02 · Score: 1

HAhaha, the black panthers? Intimidating white voters? Was anyone scared away? No. Two big black guys standing outside a polling place may scare the piss out of you but that doesn't make what they were doing illegal.
Besides, it was the Bush DOJ that dropped the case. Oopsie! That kinda blows your argument out of the water, now doesn't it, winger?
If you read the independent investigation I'd linked to, you would understand why your characterization of the case is ludicrous. Of course what was done was morally wrong, and the school district will likely lose the civil case, but they did not actually break the law because they obtained consent when they loaned the computers. Oh, shucks, your argument is once again shown to be full of holes. Better luck next time.

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1. Re:Bush dropped the black panther case by commodore64_love · 2010-08-24 06:48 · Score: 1
  
  >>>Two big black guys standing outside a polling place
  Two ARMED black guys, who were caught on video intimating voters. In one you see a white guy walk up, turn-away, and then mutter "I'm scared"
  .
  >>>it was the Bush DOJ that dropped the case.
  Since the case was only announced "dropped" two months ago, your statement is flat wrong.
  .
  >>>they obtained consent when they loaned the computers.
  This statement is as wrong as your previous statement. They obtained consent to MAINTAIN the computer, not to turn on the camera in children's bedrooms and snap photos.
  
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2. Re:Bush dropped the black panther case by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 08:06 · Score: 0
  
  What's the matter? Cat got your tongue? Can't respond to the truth? Wish those pesky facts would just go away and let you focus on your racist persecution complex? Poor winger. Say, how's that campaign season going for you? Has the Tea Party displaced every electable conservative with a wingnut, or just most of them?
3. Re:Bush dropped the black panther case by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 08:47 · Score: 0
  
  commodore64_love
  A known troll.
  Hates government, hates Apple, hates outer space, hates logic, and now hates black people.
  Spun, there is a reason this person has a truckload of people marking it Foe. You would do yourself a favor to do the same and ignore it too.
Re:Back in my day ... by troll8901 · 2010-08-24 06:08 · Score: 5, Funny

A student comes to a young professor's office hours. She glances down the hall, closes his door, and kneels pleadingly. "I would do anything to pass this exam."
She leans closer to him, flips back her hair, gazes meaningfully into his eyes. "I mean," she whispers, "I would do anything."
He returns her gaze. "Anything?"
"Anything."
His voice turns to a whisper. "Would you... STUDY??"
Re:Back in my day ... by mysidia · 2010-08-24 06:20 · Score: 1

Posting to slashdot may be as bad as posting to Facebook. Here's waiting to hear about the retired teacher getting busted for sleeping with students 40 years ago.
Brilliant! by lythander · 2010-08-24 06:22 · Score: 1

I applaud both the girls' enterprising temerity, and the jusidical response to their "crime." Here in the states, they're just as likely to be called terrorists or sex offenders. Sweden again impresses with its enlightenment. Oh, except the whole Julian Assange thing. But aside from that...
Re:Back in my day ... by PPH · 2010-08-24 06:54 · Score: 1

Here's waiting to hear about the retired teacher getting busted for sleeping with students 40 years ago.
I'm still waiting for her father to get busted for molesting her.

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No, really, Bush dropped case. It's a fact by spun · 2010-08-24 07:19 · Score: 1

Did you read my link? The Bush DOJ downgraded the case to a civil case because there was not enough evidence, before Obama was sworn in. That is an objective fact. You can dispute it, but the evidence it overwhelming, I mean, its a historical fact, just pretending it isn't won't make it go away.
I certainly think there was wrongdoing in the LMSD case. Personally, I think they should have been prosecuted, and I hope that they lose the civil case. But thinking the FBI is protecting some employee of a school district is so far outside of rationality, it beggars the imagination how a presumably grown human being could make that claim with a straight face.

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1. Re:No, really, Bush dropped case. It's a fact by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 12:54 · Score: 0
  
  But thinking the FBI is protecting some employee of a school district is so far outside of rationality, it beggars the imagination how a presumably grown human being could make that claim with a straight face.
  So far, nobody HAS made that claim. You invented that position and attributed it to him because you always insist on lying about what your opponent is saying.
2. Re:No, really, Bush dropped case. It's a fact by spun · 2010-08-25 02:43 · Score: 1
  
  Then what was he claiming the FBI was doing? Either they were protecting the guy or they weren't. If they weren't, what is he even talking about?
  
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Nothing new here, move along... by ChaoticPup · 2010-08-24 07:21 · Score: 1

*yawn* I did that back in the 70's and got away with it.
Wait a minute... what's the statute of limitations on that???
Notice How They Didn't Get Jail Time by akpoff · 2010-08-24 07:29 · Score: 1

Notice how the girls were charged with trespassing (usually a misdemeanor) and fined? No jail time or apparently even suspension. While I hope it would be the same here, my guess is our "zero-tolerance" laws would have the child booted from school for the rest of the year and brought up on a felony charge of criminal trespassing and aggravated privacy violations.
Interesting to note that the article calls them a "pair of mischievous Swedish schoolgirls" and this from a Fox affiliate. When did we forget about mischief?
This is the reverse... by dbc · 2010-08-24 07:37 · Score: 1

... of what the electrical engineering building had where I was an undergrad. The ventilation system had weird one-way acoustics that propagated sounds from one of the men's rest rooms into the faculty lounge. One prof who let me in on the secret said that they found out exactly what their student's thought about various faculty members as the mid-afternoon poker game got under way.... "*tinkle* Gawd I can hardly stay awake in old Higgins' class. Totally incoherent. *flush*"
All boobs aside by h00manist · 2010-08-24 07:39 · Score: 1

Did they get good grades? If so, did they write a how-to?

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Milton Security by stewbacca · 2010-08-24 07:44 · Score: 1

Should have hired somebody from Milton Security.
How would this even help them? by Halifax+Samuels · 2010-08-24 07:47 · Score: 1

What teachers just converse about the answers to their test questions with each other in the break rooms?
Re:Back in my day ... by algormortis · 2010-08-24 08:40 · Score: 1

In the movie, the guy actually says: "I will give you a good grade--a VERY good grade--if you would just... study."
Punishment actually fits the crime by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-24 09:33 · Score: 0

Wow, a legal punishment of $270. Considering these are a couple of stupid kids, the punishment actually fits the crime. How many months/years would they be serving if they did this in the US?
Re:Back in my day ... by troll8901 · 2010-08-25 02:06 · Score: 1

I've searched using Google for quite a while, with search phrases like "I would do anything to pass this exam", "I will give you a good grade", "movie quote", and so forth. I still can't find the movie title.
It seems to me... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-25 03:01 · Score: 0

It seems to me that these girls violated the most basic rule of doing sneaky stuff and not getting caught:
The more people you involve in or tell of your sneaky deed,
the more likely the chances you'll get caught.
Facebook violates this rule in spades...
Re:Back in my day ... by algormortis · 2010-08-25 03:30 · Score: 1

The Life of David Gale or something like that.
Re:Back in my day ... by troll8901 · 2010-08-25 03:49 · Score: 1

Thanks. :) Found it.
Re:Back in my day ... by Anonymous Coward · 2010-08-25 10:29 · Score: 0

and she replied "I would do anything for grades... but I won't do that!"
Wait ... by RivenAleem · 2010-08-25 23:00 · Score: 1

Did they have to pay with SEKs?
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