For those of you that say "Why didn't they put it out when the guy pleaded to pay the $75?" Sorry, that's SOP. If they agreed to this EVERYONE would fail to pay the $75/year and they'd just offer to pay after the fire dept came. You have to realize that it costs a lot more than $75 to pay for FD services. The $75 is effectively an insurance, $75 alone doesn't come anywhere NEAR the cost of putting out a single fire.
This person lived outside of the city fire jurisdiction. The had been petitioned by the people in the county to extend their coverage, but since those people didn't want to incorporate as part OF the city, the city offered to agree to put out fires for people who wanted to pay the $75 fee. So, this is a service the city is doing for those that pay for it.
For those of you that say "Why didn't they put it out when the guy pleaded to pay the $75?" Sorry, that's SOP. If they agreed to this EVERYONE would fail to pay the $75/year and they'd just offer to pay after the fire dept came. You have to realize that it costs a lot more than $75 to pay for FD services. The $75 is effectively an insurance, $75 alone doesn't come anywhere NEAR the cost of putting out a single fire.
Anyway... As for line art type things, logos, illustrations, interface elements simple vector graphics can be superior because there is no need to send every pixel, when just the coordinates will suffice.
For example, say, for some weird reason, I wanted to use one image a box with a solid color, rounded corners and an alpha channel so the rounded part will show the background through. (reference w3c image below) And lets say I wanted to use it as a background image to 10 different sized divs on a page. (common for a rect with rounded edges) The SVG is 361 bites. I did a screenshot, moved to photoshop and saved as gif and png both with 8 colors so the edges weren't to jagged. The gif was 804 bytes and the png was 522. The SVG is considerably smaller.
Now, consider that when using different sized version with the SVG I only need one file downloaded 10 times. With the png/gif, while I CAN use the same for each one, letting a browser resize your images for you is not going to be pretty. So you would need use many copies of the image at different sizes. Probably not all 10 sizes, but you don't want a small one blown up 10x any more than you want a huge one shrunk to 1/10th.
Now in the context of what we're talking about, a Google TV interface, there's going to be a TON of interface elements in use. think of all the widgets..
Now, I'm not by ANY means saying save your family pics or a movie as vector. Each format has it's place. Personally I don't use SVG at all, it's not worth the trouble. My whole comment was just based on how I remember people extolling the virtues of SVG to save bandwidth, but now google says to hell with bandwidth, use bitmap to save CPU.
For so long we've longed for the use of vector graphics in websites because it reduces size so much. We finally have major browsers that fully support SVG. Flash also gives you vector graphics. Now the second to last suggestion... Avoid vector graphics. Use bitmapps because they're easier on the CPU.
Before all we worried about was load time. There was no 'processing' past the intial page load, or at least nothing substantial. Everyone was optimizing the hell out of their gif's and jpgs. Low bandwidth was our enemy. Now Vector images are bad, we have plenty of bandwidth, but ironically they're worried about a weak CPU...
Yes, I've noticed the same. overall, she won. Yahoo'ing for her (weird word) doesn't turn up anything juicy, just this lawsuit. Damn, the Seventh Circuit Court just got USED!
Ok, this may not show up for everyone, but under the title of the post, I see icons for reddit, facebook, sharethis, and FARK?
Seriously FARK? I mean I thought discovery was a serious company. Fark is far from serious. It's a bunch of people posting jokes, NSFW stuff and photoshopped images... Why FARK?
incidently, I haven't been to the fark site in a few years.... time to waste a few hours catching up.
No a census is when you hire WAY more people than necessary, forgoing all logic and prudence, in an effort to ease the unemployment rate on the population. Then the first month after you bask in the glory of how you have reduced unemployment. Then you admit that it was temporary once the right people start pointing out what you did. Then 6 months after you hired all of these already redundant people you let them all go...
It would have been cheaper to just send them their check instead of creating all the administrative (busy work) of 'employing' them.
That's what a census is. You have an outdated definition. That was so 1980.
Are you kidding, this is what Politicians think they are PAID TO DO. THIS IS THEIR JOB./sarcasm
Look at it this way, say the US was suddenly PERFECT and everyone was COMPLETELY HAPPY with it. We've even mitigated Acts of God, disease, cancer and HIV. Absolutely perfect for everyone, but we still had a bunch of reps, a prez, etc...
Seeing that our country is PERFECT, then they should have nothing to do. Right? They should just sit around and not create any bills, not put any restrictions on people, life would just go on remaining perfect, save acts of God.
Well they can't do that. It's not what their JOB is. They THINK their job is to CREATE LEGISLATION. Needed or not. Do you know how many more important things there are to vote on other than the volume of TV commercials? This is bullshit fluf just so they can do something FOR US. While the other 98.7% of the time they're increasing the size of the government, therefore increasing the amount of taxes they need to take out.
Seeing that they wasted their time on this BS just pisses me off. I have a remote. I can turn it down. Shit, I have a DVR and I rarely watch ANYTHING except the 5pm local news at the time it actually airs. I just SKIP the commercials all together.
What I'm saying that thanks to NAT a shitload of computers are currently HIDDEN on the internet. When they suddenly become exposed the amount of hackable targets will explode.
Read my post where I say that almost no consumer is going to bother with a firewall once they finally get their device connected. Their goal is to be CONNECTED, not to be CONNECTED SECURELY.
found their WinXP SP1 computer directly connected to their DSL modem
My point is, by doing away with NAT and allowing all of their computers to have a public IP, it'll be like walking in a customers house and finding all their computers, their DVR, their printer, their fridge, their picture frames, their appleTV, their iPod, sonos, PS3, Wii, Xbox and toilet connected directly to individual DSL modems.
Lets see, the last 5 wireless routers I've seen installed in people's houses had the default password still there, no encryption set and their SSID was something like Linksys or Netgear.
When I asked the owner about it, the response was either 1. I don't know how to change that. 2. I know how to change it, but I just stopped screwing with it once I was connected. 3. My house is far from the street, I don't think anyone can get a signal, I barely can.
as for 3. with the huge range on N routers and laptops, then add the range you get with a good external/directional antenna, and I can sit in my house and get a dozen hits, and I'm in a rural area. I digress.
Now consider how lazy these people are, how many of them are going to get a dedicated or personal firewall installed once their ISP drops in a router that lets every computer have it's public IP that's completely routeable. None of them. All they know now is their torrents are going to start working and their slingbox is going to start working at the office without any of that confusing port forwarding.
Yeah, NAT isn't security, but it sure did help. Imagine how bad the virii/worms are going to be once they have direct access to EVERY UNPATCHED WINDOWS MACHINE ON THE INTERNET.
So many people are currently protected by NAT and it's 'good enough.'
Sure, you can argue that it's their problem, and it won't affect you, but that's false. Once these computers are opened up, they ALL become servers. Virus hosting, spam sending servers. Do you know what that's going to do to the available bandwidth?
Gators? Isn't that one of the teams we rolled over last year? Oh yeah, I forgot... The one where Teebow cried. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBO1LHUqD_0)
I'll be watching for a replay (sans Teebow) this weekend in Mobile. Beautiful weather for the game this weekend. Think we may just move the big screen outside;)
You're welcome to join us. We're in Mobile. We're planning on having a house full.
Interesting point... getting rid of nat is going to put a lot of machines out on the internet that are currently hiding behind NAT. Once that's done all those NSA backdoors are now available where before there was no route to host... Before they had to own the NAT device, then the machine. Not as though that's a problem for them, its just an inconvenience.
I'm going to go ahead and preempt all the non USians here...
What government is "The Government"? Eh? The government of Moldova? Argentina? Kajikisitkishtanz? Tatooine?
Why do you Imperialists pigs thing that only US people visit this site? How do you know that the government of Romulus doesn't have it's own Department of Homeland Security?
Ok, sorry, had to get that out. Disclaimer, I'm not in the US. I live in Dixie.
Hmm, libs and cons both raise chickens. Nice to see something we can agree on! Let the country unite behind raising chickens!!!
This is our first year, we only got 6... topped out at 5 eggs a day, now that fall's here we're getting 2 or 3 a day. Probably should have done 10 instead of 6. Thinking about getting some guinea or peafoul next spring just for fun. I hear if you let the guinea roam free they'll seriously reduce your insect population
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones because this hasn't been my experience.
Have you seen the display in lowes, or home depot, don't remember which where they have a partitioned box with 4 bulbs in it, a heatlamp, an incandescent, a CFL and an LED. The box has a plexiglass front, a hole in the top and a large thermometer in the back. I can't remember any of the temps, but they invite you to put your hand over the top. You can't even feel the LED, the CFL is warm, but you can't keep your hand over the incandescent.
I'm no major proponent of incandescents, mostly because I can't spell it without spell check;)
I think they have their place, and admittedly heating pipes chickens and lizards is very niche, but I don't think they should be banned. And I'm glad CFLs weren't banned because of people complaining about mercury. And frankly I think the market is going to bear this one out. LED is on it's way down in price and once they reach the price of CFLs I don't see any compelling reason for CFL. Inc will become niche only and LED will be everywhere else. They use little power, they run cool, they're much tougher than the others, and they can come in many form factors. Ever seen CFLs in a chandelier over the kitchen table? Ugly. LEDs can handle this role just fine.
I didn't realize you meant for them to have that lightbulb check at time of sale.
It's still going to be tough to enforce because a home inspection is only required with FHA/VA type loans. With a conventional loan (we did this last year) the home only has to pass an appraisal showing that it's worth more than you're getting a loan for. That's highly suspect anyway, part of our housing crash, houses appraising for what the Loan Officer tells them it should appraise for.
Personally I'm waiting for market forces to fix this problem. I see LED and similar replacing both CFL and incandescent in the next 5 years.
And this from a guy who wants to listen for aliens? Go crawl back under your antenna;)
Instead of throwing around insults, what about my statement or the original statement do you find incoherent or incorrect?
Do you just not like it that I complain about the government's propensity to vote on topics that they know nothing about? Or even about bills they don't bother to read because "it's too long"?
I did not mention what 'side' I am on, but you appear to have assumed one and are taking the opposing side.
To address your question. My Education in economic theory consists of a few college level classes and being manager of a small business for the last 6 years. I consider this things inadequate to make decisions on national economic policy. Yes, I feel I am not qualified to make economic policy recommendations. Therefore I find congress people with LESS education or experience than me to be LESS qualified than I.
Would you feel comfortable if congress voted on ANYTHING related to SETI research?
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For those of you that say "Why didn't they put it out when the guy pleaded to pay the $75?" Sorry, that's SOP. If they agreed to this EVERYONE would fail to pay the $75/year and they'd just offer to pay after the fire dept came. You have to realize that it costs a lot more than $75 to pay for FD services. The $75 is effectively an insurance, $75 alone doesn't come anywhere NEAR the cost of putting out a single fire.
This person lived outside of the city fire jurisdiction. The had been petitioned by the people in the county to extend their coverage, but since those people didn't want to incorporate as part OF the city, the city offered to agree to put out fires for people who wanted to pay the $75 fee. So, this is a service the city is doing for those that pay for it.
For those of you that say "Why didn't they put it out when the guy pleaded to pay the $75?" Sorry, that's SOP. If they agreed to this EVERYONE would fail to pay the $75/year and they'd just offer to pay after the fire dept came. You have to realize that it costs a lot more than $75 to pay for FD services. The $75 is effectively an insurance, $75 alone doesn't come anywhere NEAR the cost of putting out a single fire.
Anyway...
As for line art type things, logos, illustrations, interface elements simple vector graphics can be superior because there is no need to send every pixel, when just the coordinates will suffice.
For example, say, for some weird reason, I wanted to use one image a box with a solid color, rounded corners and an alpha channel so the rounded part will show the background through. (reference w3c image below) And lets say I wanted to use it as a background image to 10 different sized divs on a page. (common for a rect with rounded edges) The SVG is 361 bites. I did a screenshot, moved to photoshop and saved as gif and png both with 8 colors so the edges weren't to jagged. The gif was 804 bytes and the png was 522. The SVG is considerably smaller.
Now, consider that when using different sized version with the SVG I only need one file downloaded 10 times. With the png/gif, while I CAN use the same for each one, letting a browser resize your images for you is not going to be pretty. So you would need use many copies of the image at different sizes. Probably not all 10 sizes, but you don't want a small one blown up 10x any more than you want a huge one shrunk to 1/10th.
Now in the context of what we're talking about, a Google TV interface, there's going to be a TON of interface elements in use. think of all the widgets..
Now, I'm not by ANY means saying save your family pics or a movie as vector. Each format has it's place. Personally I don't use SVG at all, it's not worth the trouble. My whole comment was just based on how I remember people extolling the virtues of SVG to save bandwidth, but now google says to hell with bandwidth, use bitmap to save CPU.
http://www.w3schools.com/svg/tryit_view.asp?filename=rect4
wow, you seem to know what you're doing there... have experience with this much?
Your HOA statement violates the /. basement dwelling tenants. Please turn in your card.
I guess next your going to start talking about wives and children. poser.
For so long we've longed for the use of vector graphics in websites because it reduces size so much. We finally have major browsers that fully support SVG. Flash also gives you vector graphics. Now the second to last suggestion... Avoid vector graphics. Use bitmapps because they're easier on the CPU.
Before all we worried about was load time. There was no 'processing' past the intial page load, or at least nothing substantial. Everyone was optimizing the hell out of their gif's and jpgs. Low bandwidth was our enemy. Now Vector images are bad, we have plenty of bandwidth, but ironically they're worried about a weak CPU...
So weird.
she should consider suing herself.
Yes, I've noticed the same. overall, she won. Yahoo'ing for her (weird word) doesn't turn up anything juicy, just this lawsuit. Damn, the Seventh Circuit Court just got USED!
Ok, this may not show up for everyone, but under the title of the post, I see icons for reddit, facebook, sharethis, and FARK?
Seriously FARK? I mean I thought discovery was a serious company. Fark is far from serious. It's a bunch of people posting jokes, NSFW stuff and photoshopped images... Why FARK?
incidently, I haven't been to the fark site in a few years.... time to waste a few hours catching up.
No a census is when you hire WAY more people than necessary, forgoing all logic and prudence, in an effort to ease the unemployment rate on the population. Then the first month after you bask in the glory of how you have reduced unemployment. Then you admit that it was temporary once the right people start pointing out what you did. Then 6 months after you hired all of these already redundant people you let them all go...
It would have been cheaper to just send them their check instead of creating all the administrative (busy work) of 'employing' them.
That's what a census is. You have an outdated definition. That was so 1980.
Like the Discovery Channel terrorist? He fits that camp.
Are you kidding, this is what Politicians think they are PAID TO DO. THIS IS THEIR JOB. /sarcasm
Look at it this way, say the US was suddenly PERFECT and everyone was COMPLETELY HAPPY with it. We've even mitigated Acts of God, disease, cancer and HIV. Absolutely perfect for everyone, but we still had a bunch of reps, a prez, etc...
Seeing that our country is PERFECT, then they should have nothing to do. Right? They should just sit around and not create any bills, not put any restrictions on people, life would just go on remaining perfect, save acts of God.
Well they can't do that. It's not what their JOB is. They THINK their job is to CREATE LEGISLATION. Needed or not. Do you know how many more important things there are to vote on other than the volume of TV commercials? This is bullshit fluf just so they can do something FOR US. While the other 98.7% of the time they're increasing the size of the government, therefore increasing the amount of taxes they need to take out.
Seeing that they wasted their time on this BS just pisses me off. I have a remote. I can turn it down. Shit, I have a DVR and I rarely watch ANYTHING except the 5pm local news at the time it actually airs. I just SKIP the commercials all together.
No shit, not saying it is.
What I'm saying that thanks to NAT a shitload of computers are currently HIDDEN on the internet. When they suddenly become exposed the amount of hackable targets will explode.
Read my post where I say that almost no consumer is going to bother with a firewall once they finally get their device connected. Their goal is to be CONNECTED, not to be CONNECTED SECURELY.
found their WinXP SP1 computer directly connected to their DSL modem
My point is, by doing away with NAT and allowing all of their computers to have a public IP, it'll be like walking in a customers house and finding all their computers, their DVR, their printer, their fridge, their picture frames, their appleTV, their iPod, sonos, PS3, Wii, Xbox and toilet connected directly to individual DSL modems.
That scares the shit out of me.
Lets see, the last 5 wireless routers I've seen installed in people's houses had the default password still there, no encryption set and their SSID was something like Linksys or Netgear.
When I asked the owner about it, the response was either
1. I don't know how to change that.
2. I know how to change it, but I just stopped screwing with it once I was connected.
3. My house is far from the street, I don't think anyone can get a signal, I barely can.
as for 3. with the huge range on N routers and laptops, then add the range you get with a good external/directional antenna, and I can sit in my house and get a dozen hits, and I'm in a rural area. I digress.
Now consider how lazy these people are, how many of them are going to get a dedicated or personal firewall installed once their ISP drops in a router that lets every computer have it's public IP that's completely routeable. None of them. All they know now is their torrents are going to start working and their slingbox is going to start working at the office without any of that confusing port forwarding.
Yeah, NAT isn't security, but it sure did help. Imagine how bad the virii/worms are going to be once they have direct access to EVERY UNPATCHED WINDOWS MACHINE ON THE INTERNET.
So many people are currently protected by NAT and it's 'good enough.'
Sure, you can argue that it's their problem, and it won't affect you, but that's false. Once these computers are opened up, they ALL become servers. Virus hosting, spam sending servers. Do you know what that's going to do to the available bandwidth?
Imagine this when NAT is gone
http://isc.sans.edu/survivaltime.html
Translating from memory...
Eh, Crazy! Here in Argentina we don't have cyber attacks. (We almost have no internet)
Gators? Isn't that one of the teams we rolled over last year? Oh yeah, I forgot... The one where Teebow cried. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBO1LHUqD_0)
I'll be watching for a replay (sans Teebow) this weekend in Mobile. Beautiful weather for the game this weekend. Think we may just move the big screen outside ;)
You're welcome to join us. We're in Mobile. We're planning on having a house full.
Interesting point... getting rid of nat is going to put a lot of machines out on the internet that are currently hiding behind NAT. Once that's done all those NSA backdoors are now available where before there was no route to host... Before they had to own the NAT device, then the machine. Not as though that's a problem for them, its just an inconvenience.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dixie
kicked by the U.S. about 150 years ago
See what I mean? Imperialists pigs. I'm still living under their oppressive regime.
Nascar... Never sat through a race.
Pickled Pigs feet... That stereo type may have worked 149 years ago.
SEC? Yeah, you got me, roll tide.
I do have a Gadsden flag on my SUV. This one was almost lost to history but Obama has renewed our interest in it.
See my UID, it's really small. I've been around here for a while. It was a joke to preempt the whiners.
As far as I'm concerned we can firewall off the rest of the world ;)
Ok, not really.
I'm going to go ahead and preempt all the non USians here...
What government is "The Government"? Eh? The government of Moldova? Argentina? Kajikisitkishtanz? Tatooine?
Why do you Imperialists pigs thing that only US people visit this site? How do you know that the government of Romulus doesn't have it's own Department of Homeland Security?
Ok, sorry, had to get that out.
Disclaimer, I'm not in the US. I live in Dixie.
Hmm, libs and cons both raise chickens. Nice to see something we can agree on! Let the country unite behind raising chickens!!!
This is our first year, we only got 6... topped out at 5 eggs a day, now that fall's here we're getting 2 or 3 a day. Probably should have done 10 instead of 6. Thinking about getting some guinea or peafoul next spring just for fun. I hear if you let the guinea roam free they'll seriously reduce your insect population
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong ones because this hasn't been my experience.
Have you seen the display in lowes, or home depot, don't remember which where they have a partitioned box with 4 bulbs in it, a heatlamp, an incandescent, a CFL and an LED. The box has a plexiglass front, a hole in the top and a large thermometer in the back. I can't remember any of the temps, but they invite you to put your hand over the top. You can't even feel the LED, the CFL is warm, but you can't keep your hand over the incandescent.
I'm no major proponent of incandescents, mostly because I can't spell it without spell check ;)
I think they have their place, and admittedly heating pipes chickens and lizards is very niche, but I don't think they should be banned. And I'm glad CFLs weren't banned because of people complaining about mercury. And frankly I think the market is going to bear this one out. LED is on it's way down in price and once they reach the price of CFLs I don't see any compelling reason for CFL. Inc will become niche only and LED will be everywhere else. They use little power, they run cool, they're much tougher than the others, and they can come in many form factors. Ever seen CFLs in a chandelier over the kitchen table? Ugly. LEDs can handle this role just fine.
I didn't realize you meant for them to have that lightbulb check at time of sale.
It's still going to be tough to enforce because a home inspection is only required with FHA/VA type loans. With a conventional loan (we did this last year) the home only has to pass an appraisal showing that it's worth more than you're getting a loan for. That's highly suspect anyway, part of our housing crash, houses appraising for what the Loan Officer tells them it should appraise for.
Personally I'm waiting for market forces to fix this problem. I see LED and similar replacing both CFL and incandescent in the next 5 years.
Since when does OT matter on /.? :)
And this from a guy who wants to listen for aliens? Go crawl back under your antenna ;)
Instead of throwing around insults, what about my statement or the original statement do you find incoherent or incorrect?
Do you just not like it that I complain about the government's propensity to vote on topics that they know nothing about? Or even about bills they don't bother to read because "it's too long"?
I did not mention what 'side' I am on, but you appear to have assumed one and are taking the opposing side.
To address your question. My Education in economic theory consists of a few college level classes and being manager of a small business for the last 6 years. I consider this things inadequate to make decisions on national economic policy. Yes, I feel I am not qualified to make economic policy recommendations. Therefore I find congress people with LESS education or experience than me to be LESS qualified than I.
Would you feel comfortable if congress voted on ANYTHING related to SETI research?