..in the range of states that carbon goes through on earth, sure.
there's a LOT we don't know about the elements, one of which that's been NASA's goal to study is "do these elements behave the same if we change the variables?" --namely gravity. if the gravity exerted on an object changes, does the element behave "as expected"?
what about extreme gravity? as you approach a star, what we currently know about say: Carbon is that it behaves the same regardless of WHERE it is. There's some research currently underway that points to carbon being stable with 5-way C-C bonds under certain increased electromagnetic/gravimetric pressure.
if it's true, it would completely throw out the window all we know about the possibilities of carbon chaining and carbon based life. just as this discovery trashes what we know about DNA's ability to stay stable in an environment in which we had "Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt" that it had been impossible.
though you choose what MAJOR prefixes you accept routing information for, nobody cares about the/8's.
If I had say a/24 assigned to me, and I decided to have it routed to my building in Toronto, but then decided to move a/28 to a location in Dallas, what would be the easiest way to go about that?
if I had enough other locations to assign/28's to, I could simply retrieve an AS number and advertise each/28 to the parents at each location. this would then trail up to the largest area that my/24 exists under, and the traffic would be routed locally to each location.
sure, many ISP's that you deal with in North America may have policies regarding what exact prefixes you advertise at each peering location, but at some point you become large enough to be "trusted". once you start carrying your own traffic internally is often the breaking point.
say I decided to lease some dark fiber between my two locations: then suddenly my rates may be cheaper than the existing path the ISP is taking between the two. (HIGHLY unlikely, unless your IT department has WAY too much money and you've got a few ISP's interested in sharing a portion of your pipe, though it can seriously reduce the cost of some 100Mbit customer facing links in some cases)
this then leads to an interesting predicament: how does one know what prefixes will be advertised over that pipe? sure, each ISP sharing the connection MAY decide to restrict advertisements: but few have the capacity to do so for many of the smaller/24's or/28's that exist. keep in mind that each/16 has 256-/24's which in turn each have 32/28's each.
customers don't buy/16's (regularly) they buy a/27-/30. this means that the/8 you oversee as an ISP may have as many as 4,194,000+/30 prefixes to account for.
because people keep reposting it after reading it while knowing nothing about the topic that's being discussed.
regardless: all this shows is that:
1) a Chinese telecom was advertising routes for someone they shouldn't.
2) it takes a while for the BGP sessions to converge and reveal that two hosts were advertising the same prefixes,
3) the Chinese telecom SHOULD have pulled the local machine that was advertising a prefix to which it was not authoritive,
4) the Chinese telecom decided NOT to do this, revealing awareness that some globally routed prefixes at the local level can be forwarded to local routers before either being captured or properly forwarded.
uhhhhh.... unless you have a prefix from another country that had to be moved somewhere else.
Say I have a/16 that was supposed to be assigned in Africa. being that I've got a location in Cairo, one in Toronto, and one in Dallas: there's nothing stopping my from injecting my routes into the global BGP session to route a portion (say a/24) of that to each of the centers.
you can't localize a prefix. that would cause a dependence on DNS to resolve names for IP's that may move around the world. and I don't know about you: but I sure hate it when things stop working because of DNS.
"monthly/weekly/daily device rentals, just pay your cell phone bill on time and we'll ship you a used device every month! just hang onto your SIM/SD card and we'll default the device/let somebody else use the 'fingerprinted hardware'"
So it's "omfg, we non-technical people just learned how BGP works! it's scary!"
seeing something like this coming from an AP site, or Fox, I would have just brushed it aside and ignored it. but really? slashdot?
Owner: "you mean I can hijack someone else's traffic!!? omfg!!"
*pays to have someone implement it*
Owner: "WHY DOESN'T IT WORK!!?"
Tech: "I have no idea.. it should! I read an article on/. about china doing it!"
*phone rings*
ISP: "you seem to have a configuration issue on your equipment, you're trying to advertise routes that belong to someone else. you'll have to get that fixed before we continue routing your prefixes to you. "
Owner: "omg, [isp] called me.. undo it all..."
A bit torrent tracker is completely unaware of the content it links to. the administrator OF that tracker may have included logic to determine the "copyright status of some material in some part of the world" but even that's far from perfect (in what I HOPE would be obvious ways)
What you have to keep in mind here is that technically no PHYSICAL CRIME is being committed. only a thought crime ever takes place. no murder/death/theft analog will ever work for digital data, for the same reason an intelligent judge came to and to quote Chris Miller's work:
“To use the rather colourful imagery that internet piracy conjures up in a highly imperfect analogy, the file being shared in the swarm is the treasure, the BitTorrent client is the ship, the.torrent file is the treasure map, The Pirate Bay provides treasure maps free of charge and the tracker is the wise old man that needs to be consulted to understand the treasure map.”
I think the analogy is quite accurate, with the exception of the treasure being something congruous to gold doubloons. To be more accurate, the treasure would magically self-replicate itself – at first from the goldsmith’s treasure chest, and then from each pirate to have pirated a piece; but by doing so, because of the treasure’s self-replicating ability, no one is ever deprived of any of the treasure. Rather, the treasure can be spread to a much greater magnitude of pirates, many of whom may otherwise never have known about the treasure or its (magical) goldsmith. With a much greater pool of fans for his/her gold, the goldsmith would have a better chance of making money off their treasure – by making more treasures, offering them in ways that pirates would be willing to pay for, and even charging pirates to see the goldsmith work his/her magic in person.
how exactly does one "be a party" to someone who made a copy of information? should camera makers be sued to "helping people reproduce artwork"? or photocopier manufacturers be bankrupted because they "allowed someone to copy someone's 'lifes work'"?
No one was deprived of anything, no one was inconvenienced, hell: the distributor may have even made MORE in DVD sales of a movie after people had a chance to see a low quality version of it online.
copyright, in a world that is not limited to the ability to reproduce material, does not work: it's a simple fact. If you go back to your economics 101, when supply and demand controls most markets: and when you have an unlimited supply: what do you get?
let me give you a hint: it's not 0 demand.
if you can't get a hold of the domain owner, how does somebody like the US Gov't make a complaint to the domain owner?
Anybody think that MAYBE the Torrent-finder guy didn't get any information about the status of the domain getting pulled, might have been because nobody could contact him at the administrative contact listed at ICANN?
Personally, if I were asked by a government organisation to re-point a DNS name I had listed on my servers to them under a court order, I'd tell them it'd be complete in 48 hours, and check the whois for the domain. if there was a contact listed (personally I'd go for the technical contact, and let him tell his boss!) I'd fire them an e-mail, and maybe leave them a voicemail. Just a thought though.
Also: if you're going to call somebody a fucktard, you better be logged in. Otherwise nobody is going to give two shits that some internet troll "said something that one time".
nobody thinks that maybe they would have informed the domain owner that they were doing something court ordered if they could contact him/her via the standard whois data?
The copywrong system is horribly broken as it currently exists. Content that somebody deems as "their life's work" is the single largest waste of intellectual effort humankind has ever gone through.
If you were to paint a picture, that object would likely be worth something. if I take a photo of that painting, and publish it on the net, all I have done is increase the value of that painting: now that people have seen and enjoyed (or potentially not enjoyed) said painting, the desire for SOMEBODY to own it increases.
If you put together a string of images into an order that communicates an idea to someone, and decide to charge for access to see that "video": in my books you've done nothing but hurt yourself. Where will that money get you? sure, you'll get a fancy car tomorrow, maybe a nice house to leave to your kids: but what then?
If the only point of anything is to please ones-self for a few years that one happens to be around, I see that as nothing but selfish bullshit.
Share the idea. Get a physical distribution method down, get your ideas TO people in a way that they want. obviously people don't want to go to theaters/rent DVD's/listen to advertisements mixed with the content. So come up with something else, something that evolves and changes to meet the people's desires.
When you do that, and somebody abuses THAT system: then feel free to get back to the legal system.
this has been my #1 problem with whois information. every domain should contain up to date whois information, and it should be checked every 90-180 days. failing a check should result in immanent expiry of the domain (after sufficient warning has been issued).
"I didn't kill him your honor: all I did was point out who did."
posting a link to other content is not in any way analogous to killing someone. hell, in this case it helped the copyright police FIND the infringers.
to me, this is like taking a Private Investigator to court for "not reporting a crime before it had sufficient evidence to even know what was going on was a crime."
who's got the IP of torrent freak? let's just get together and put up a public DNS server somewhere of domains that have been blocked.
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exactly.
if every business had an unlimited IT budget, (or hell, even a realistic IT budget!) things would be great.
but in the real world: I'd guess that 95%+ businesses budget for a salary for the IT people, and that's MORE than it. (as if they expect us to come with our own equipment or something!:P)
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Well spoken. glad to know there are other decent human beings out there.
60 years or ten minutes ago, what's the difference? If people want to listen to that song why shouldn't the musician get paid for it?
I'm sorry, but that's one of the most flawed stagnant ideas I've ever heard in my life. what you're saying is artists that have an idea once, should profit from EVERY instance of that idea ever?
so at some point, we'll have a bunch of estates that you have to pay to buy/watch/listen/see/feel/hear/smell anything. if people are allowed indefinite copywrong on material: it will come to this at some point.
IMHO: you should get 10 year copyright on new material, and a 3-5 year copyright on transformational work. This promotes growth, invention, and allows people to revisit their youth as they age, to share that material with their children: hoping that they will then in turn invent new or additional transformational works to continue the flow of information. period.
just because a Corporation turns out a negative balance, does not mean that EVERY employee of that company is not earning their paycheques and getting bonuses.
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Really? I was pretty sure the legal Peppercorn in the USA was the sum of 1.00 USD for damages.
..in the range of states that carbon goes through on earth, sure.
there's a LOT we don't know about the elements, one of which that's been NASA's goal to study is "do these elements behave the same if we change the variables?" --namely gravity. if the gravity exerted on an object changes, does the element behave "as expected"?
what about extreme gravity? as you approach a star, what we currently know about say: Carbon is that it behaves the same regardless of WHERE it is. There's some research currently underway that points to carbon being stable with 5-way C-C bonds under certain increased electromagnetic/gravimetric pressure.
if it's true, it would completely throw out the window all we know about the possibilities of carbon chaining and carbon based life. just as this discovery trashes what we know about DNA's ability to stay stable in an environment in which we had "Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt" that it had been impossible.
That's not entirely true.
/8's.
/24 assigned to me, and I decided to have it routed to my building in Toronto, but then decided to move a /28 to a location in Dallas, what would be the easiest way to go about that?
/28's to, I could simply retrieve an AS number and advertise each /28 to the parents at each location. this would then trail up to the largest area that my /24 exists under, and the traffic would be routed locally to each location.
/24's or /28's that exist. keep in mind that each /16 has 256-/24's which in turn each have 32 /28's each.
/16's (regularly) they buy a /27-/30. this means that the /8 you oversee as an ISP may have as many as 4,194,000+ /30 prefixes to account for.
though you choose what MAJOR prefixes you accept routing information for, nobody cares about the
If I had say a
if I had enough other locations to assign
sure, many ISP's that you deal with in North America may have policies regarding what exact prefixes you advertise at each peering location, but at some point you become large enough to be "trusted". once you start carrying your own traffic internally is often the breaking point.
say I decided to lease some dark fiber between my two locations: then suddenly my rates may be cheaper than the existing path the ISP is taking between the two. (HIGHLY unlikely, unless your IT department has WAY too much money and you've got a few ISP's interested in sharing a portion of your pipe, though it can seriously reduce the cost of some 100Mbit customer facing links in some cases)
this then leads to an interesting predicament: how does one know what prefixes will be advertised over that pipe? sure, each ISP sharing the connection MAY decide to restrict advertisements: but few have the capacity to do so for many of the smaller
customers don't buy
because people keep reposting it after reading it while knowing nothing about the topic that's being discussed.
regardless: all this shows is that:
1) a Chinese telecom was advertising routes for someone they shouldn't. 2) it takes a while for the BGP sessions to converge and reveal that two hosts were advertising the same prefixes, 3) the Chinese telecom SHOULD have pulled the local machine that was advertising a prefix to which it was not authoritive, 4) the Chinese telecom decided NOT to do this, revealing awareness that some globally routed prefixes at the local level can be forwarded to local routers before either being captured or properly forwarded.
there is NOTHING new here: this is how BGP works.
uhhhhh.... unless you have a prefix from another country that had to be moved somewhere else.
/16 that was supposed to be assigned in Africa. being that I've got a location in Cairo, one in Toronto, and one in Dallas: there's nothing stopping my from injecting my routes into the global BGP session to route a portion (say a /24) of that to each of the centers.
Say I have a
you can't localize a prefix. that would cause a dependence on DNS to resolve names for IP's that may move around the world. and I don't know about you: but I sure hate it when things stop working because of DNS.
put together a company that rents out devices.
"monthly/weekly/daily device rentals, just pay your cell phone bill on time and we'll ship you a used device every month! just hang onto your SIM/SD card and we'll default the device/let somebody else use the 'fingerprinted hardware'"
So it's "omfg, we non-technical people just learned how BGP works! it's scary!"
/. about china doing it!"
seeing something like this coming from an AP site, or Fox, I would have just brushed it aside and ignored it. but really? slashdot?
Owner: "you mean I can hijack someone else's traffic!!? omfg!!"
*pays to have someone implement it*
Owner: "WHY DOESN'T IT WORK!!?"
Tech: "I have no idea.. it should! I read an article on
*phone rings*
ISP: "you seem to have a configuration issue on your equipment, you're trying to advertise routes that belong to someone else. you'll have to get that fixed before we continue routing your prefixes to you. "
Owner: "omg, [isp] called me.. undo it all..."
And this is news because?
This is how the BGP internet functions. the last proposed solution was to centralize the BGP trust tables, which is likely a WORSE solution.
if you can't trust your peers: go work in another kitchen.
A bit torrent tracker is completely unaware of the content it links to. the administrator OF that tracker may have included logic to determine the "copyright status of some material in some part of the world" but even that's far from perfect (in what I HOPE would be obvious ways)
What you have to keep in mind here is that technically no PHYSICAL CRIME is being committed. only a thought crime ever takes place. no murder/death/theft analog will ever work for digital data, for the same reason an intelligent judge came to and to quote Chris Miller's work:
“To use the rather colourful imagery that internet piracy conjures up in a highly imperfect analogy, the file being shared in the swarm is the treasure, the BitTorrent client is the ship, the .torrent file is the treasure map, The Pirate Bay provides treasure maps free of charge and the tracker is the wise old man that needs to be consulted to understand the treasure map.”
I think the analogy is quite accurate, with the exception of the treasure being something congruous to gold doubloons. To be more accurate, the treasure would magically self-replicate itself – at first from the goldsmith’s treasure chest, and then from each pirate to have pirated a piece; but by doing so, because of the treasure’s self-replicating ability, no one is ever deprived of any of the treasure. Rather, the treasure can be spread to a much greater magnitude of pirates, many of whom may otherwise never have known about the treasure or its (magical) goldsmith. With a much greater pool of fans for his/her gold, the goldsmith would have a better chance of making money off their treasure – by making more treasures, offering them in ways that pirates would be willing to pay for, and even charging pirates to see the goldsmith work his/her magic in person.
how exactly does one "be a party" to someone who made a copy of information? should camera makers be sued to "helping people reproduce artwork"? or photocopier manufacturers be bankrupted because they "allowed someone to copy someone's 'lifes work'"?
No one was deprived of anything, no one was inconvenienced, hell: the distributor may have even made MORE in DVD sales of a movie after people had a chance to see a low quality version of it online.
copyright, in a world that is not limited to the ability to reproduce material, does not work: it's a simple fact. If you go back to your economics 101, when supply and demand controls most markets: and when you have an unlimited supply: what do you get?
let me give you a hint: it's not 0 demand.
Which would be EXACTLY the same thing.
if you can't get a hold of the domain owner, how does somebody like the US Gov't make a complaint to the domain owner?
Anybody think that MAYBE the Torrent-finder guy didn't get any information about the status of the domain getting pulled, might have been because nobody could contact him at the administrative contact listed at ICANN?
Personally, if I were asked by a government organisation to re-point a DNS name I had listed on my servers to them under a court order, I'd tell them it'd be complete in 48 hours, and check the whois for the domain. if there was a contact listed (personally I'd go for the technical contact, and let him tell his boss!) I'd fire them an e-mail, and maybe leave them a voicemail. Just a thought though.
Also: if you're going to call somebody a fucktard, you better be logged in. Otherwise nobody is going to give two shits that some internet troll "said something that one time".
Try buying google earth.
THEN allow/disallow whatever part of it you don't like. till then, either use the free software or don't: it's up to you.
Really? off topic?
nobody thinks that maybe they would have informed the domain owner that they were doing something court ordered if they could contact him/her via the standard whois data?
I like the subject here. "Re:Durr hurr"
The copywrong system is horribly broken as it currently exists. Content that somebody deems as "their life's work" is the single largest waste of intellectual effort humankind has ever gone through.
If you were to paint a picture, that object would likely be worth something. if I take a photo of that painting, and publish it on the net, all I have done is increase the value of that painting: now that people have seen and enjoyed (or potentially not enjoyed) said painting, the desire for SOMEBODY to own it increases.
If you put together a string of images into an order that communicates an idea to someone, and decide to charge for access to see that "video": in my books you've done nothing but hurt yourself. Where will that money get you? sure, you'll get a fancy car tomorrow, maybe a nice house to leave to your kids: but what then?
If the only point of anything is to please ones-self for a few years that one happens to be around, I see that as nothing but selfish bullshit.
Share the idea. Get a physical distribution method down, get your ideas TO people in a way that they want. obviously people don't want to go to theaters/rent DVD's/listen to advertisements mixed with the content. So come up with something else, something that evolves and changes to meet the people's desires.
When you do that, and somebody abuses THAT system: then feel free to get back to the legal system.
this has been my #1 problem with whois information. every domain should contain up to date whois information, and it should be checked every 90-180 days. failing a check should result in immanent expiry of the domain (after sufficient warning has been issued).
well, good thing I always connect to sketchy sites via a set of proxies with a sandbox virtual machine! :P
In your analogy, it would be like saying:
"I didn't kill him your honor: all I did was point out who did."
posting a link to other content is not in any way analogous to killing someone. hell, in this case it helped the copyright police FIND the infringers.
to me, this is like taking a Private Investigator to court for "not reporting a crime before it had sufficient evidence to even know what was going on was a crime."
Why hasn't Google been taken offline?
Because they pay taxes in the USA. :P
and by that, apparently I mean torrent-finder... which I've never even heard of. o.O
who's got the IP of torrent freak? let's just get together and put up a public DNS server somewhere of domains that have been blocked.
exactly.
:P)
if every business had an unlimited IT budget, (or hell, even a realistic IT budget!) things would be great.
but in the real world: I'd guess that 95%+ businesses budget for a salary for the IT people, and that's MORE than it. (as if they expect us to come with our own equipment or something!
Well spoken. glad to know there are other decent human beings out there.
unless you happen to work in a sector doing public safety IT.
magical words to live by there friend.
60 years or ten minutes ago, what's the difference? If people want to listen to that song why shouldn't the musician get paid for it?
I'm sorry, but that's one of the most flawed stagnant ideas I've ever heard in my life. what you're saying is artists that have an idea once, should profit from EVERY instance of that idea ever?
so at some point, we'll have a bunch of estates that you have to pay to buy/watch/listen/see/feel/hear/smell anything. if people are allowed indefinite copywrong on material: it will come to this at some point.
IMHO: you should get 10 year copyright on new material, and a 3-5 year copyright on transformational work. This promotes growth, invention, and allows people to revisit their youth as they age, to share that material with their children: hoping that they will then in turn invent new or additional transformational works to continue the flow of information. period.
Exactly.
just because a Corporation turns out a negative balance, does not mean that EVERY employee of that company is not earning their paycheques and getting bonuses.