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Anxiety and IT?

An anonymous reader writes "During these long breaks from work, it's refreshing to not have to worry about your job. Unless you work in IT, in which case you're salaried and constantly on the clock. To all the server room monkeys and desktop admins, do you suffer from anxiety? How do you deal with it? Does the crushing worry of a businesses IT infrastructure (and the rest of the business) coming to a screeching halt make IT occupations prone to anxiety?"

347 comments

  1. I'd better not post here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    My boss might be reading this.

    1. Re:I'd better not post here by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Why is that a problem? What specific problems are you talking about?

  2. Chill out... by bagboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get on the treadmill, go for a run, etc... Stop stressin' dude.

    1. Re:Chill out... by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's pretty much the answer: physical activity relieves stress. Do some sort of activity that gets you outside and away from all the blinkenlights for a while regularly and you'll feel a hell of a lot better.

      --
      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
    2. Re:Chill out... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It depends on your personality. Some people (my wife is one, a guy I work with is another) just seem to let the stress take over. My wife has this client who was pushing her to deliver work on an impossible schedule so she is up to 3 AM working on CAD drawings and wrecking herself in the process. I keep saying its not worth killing yourself over it. Life will go on without that client. But she keeps trying to deliver.

      Other people know when to let the breaker trip, and go home to sleep.

    3. Re:Chill out... by kolbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ^This. I have been in IT for 12 years as a Sys Admin and I have turned to everything from heavy drinking to online gaming to reading to exercise. The "most" effective way, at least for me, to avoiding stress is just get out and exercise. It helps to calm the body AND mind in a way that no other can.

    4. Re:Chill out... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much the answer: physical activity relieves stress.

      I disagree. I regard myself as a low stress person and I ride a bike to work, That may be a correlation but I don't think its causative. Some people wind them selves up on stress. Panic and stress feeding on each other until there is nothing else. Telling them to go for a swim or something won't help. They have to look outside the job they are working on.

    5. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain to them what an "enabler" is. Sociopaths are always going to take advantage of everyone, and people like your friend and your wife are just fodder for them. Better no client than a bad client.

    6. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUN exercise is best. =)

      I've found Brazilian Ju-Jitsu is an awesome way to exercise, be part of a team and really enjoy what you're doing. Plus, you learn some cool stuff too!

    7. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      My secret to avoid stress... Not Caring.

    8. Re:Chill out... by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you said fun exercise I thought you were talking about sex, which I guess would work with the rest of your comment: "I've found sex is an awesome way to exercise, be part of a team and really enjoy what you're doing. Plus, you learn some cool stuff too!"

      --
      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
    9. Re:Chill out... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yes. He needs to chill, he sounds like a zoloft ad or something.

      do you suffer from anxiety?

      No, why would I? It's just like any job. Sure, I could get called at any moment, but the biggest reliever of anxiety is knowing how to say No, and not get jerked around. Me and my boss have a system - I may be 20 or 30 minutes late for work sometimes. I may stay late to make up for it, or come in early. I might need an afternoon off. He does not harp me to be here at 8:00 AM because he knows if he did, I would be out of here at 5:00pm on the dot and not bother coming in when the phone rings. I don't have to deal with the anxiety most other jobs do because I know the policies are a bit more lax, because if they want me in an emergency, they need some perk to keep you around.

      And the only way you get around that is knowing your stuff. You don't want to be replaced by some other monkey who WILL take that abuse, so make sure you read up on new stuff you don't know, and make yourself valuable. I know a lot about computers and I know the ins and outs of fixing them, and I have a certificate in Programming. However, I don't have my A+, I don't have my Network+, I'm not a Microsoft Certified Desktop Technician - all things I know I have to work towards.

      How do you deal with it?

      Personally, when I'm stressed, I like to go Stargazing. Makes me feel small, which makes everything else seem smaller, which makes me worry less - about everything, including my job.

      Does the crushing worry of a businesses IT infrastructure (and the rest of the business) coming to a screeching halt make IT occupations prone to anxiety?

      It shouldn't. Lets face it, if the server goes down - the server does down. You don't have to worry about watching it - someone will let you know when it goes down. And then you can deal with it when it goes down. Take your time off like its your time.

      Get a good On-call schedule going, and make sure there's at least 1 other person who knows the basics of your job. That way, if you go on vacation, get hit by a bus, or decide to run away to mexico, you don't have to worry about the IT world - because someone else will be there to pick up your slack. Crosstraining all your employees is never a bad idea.

    10. Re:Chill out... by Abstrackt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. I regard myself as a low stress person and I ride a bike to work, That may be a correlation but I don't think its causative. Some people wind them selves up on stress. Panic and stress feeding on each other until there is nothing else. Telling them to go for a swim or something won't help. They have to look outside the job they are working on.

      To be fair, I don't know anyone who relaxes on the trip to work. ;) As for looking outside the job you're working on that's why you need regularly scheduled activity, so it forces you to step away for a while.

      I think the problem with IT, or any knowledge-based jobs, is that you don't produce anything tangible so no matter how much you work it rarely feels like there's something to show for it. That's why I recommend physical activity.

      --
      They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. - Terry Pratchett
    11. Re:Chill out... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Explain to them what an "enabler" is. Sociopaths are always going to take advantage of everyone, and people like your friend and your wife are just fodder for them. Better no client than a bad client.

      I think there is a certain thrill in getting stressed. You get an endorphin rush from it. In a sense it could be quite addictive. Its hard to talk a person out of something like that.

    12. Re:Chill out... by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.

    13. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      However, I don't have my A+, I don't have my Network+, I'm not a Microsoft Certified Desktop Technician - all things I know I have to work towards.

      I've taken a different approach to my career. I specialized. Heavily.

      As a result, I'm in a position where my specialization takes me out of the day to day IT borefests. Yes, I'm responsible for the DR/Continuity stuff too, but really, that shit is easy, especially in small/mid business.

      But the specialization is heavy enough that there are very few of us out here, and fewer still that can do it with any degree of competency. As a result, I am constantly being "scouted out" by headhunters...if my employer sucks & treats me like some disposable shitstain, then I'll just take the next job offer that comes my way. I get 3-4 a year...I can wait out a few months of crap & move on to something (hopefully) better.

      I guess, in a much shorter version...be the fucking best at what you do, and be known that you're the fucking best at it. Beats the shit out of doing lameass MS certificates to get your resume past some HR loser.

      AC for many reasons. The least of which is I don't need my employer knowing I get 3-4 job offers a year :)

    14. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wish it was that easy.
      I'm on call 24/7 to support the 24/7 staff running the actual operations. One period was so bad I had anxiety about going to sleep. For weeks I got called up every other day at around 3am, which is plain terror. The fear of being awakened from my deepest sleep got so great I did not want to go to sleep.

      We did two things to combat this:
        * More staff on call
        * Operations keep track of how many times someone has been called and try to round robin the load if we hit a bad period again

      Of course, doing things that takes you mind off work is also critical.

    15. Re:Chill out... by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      magical words to live by there friend.

    16. Re:Chill out... by windcask · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's people's answer to everything these days.

      Me: "I'm constantly tired and irritable. What should I do to help?"

      Society: "Get more exercise, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, and sleep eight hours a night."

      Me: "I constantly have the urge to stab my girlfriend in the face, and I see clowns in the toilet whenever I pee. What should I do?"

      Society: "Get more exercise, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, and sleep eight hours a night." /me solves all problems evar

    17. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm salaried and for the last two years I've not received a salary increase from my employer. So I decided to give myself a salary increase by working less hours. Now I'm making more per hour. I simply refuse to do charity work for the share holders. I'm feeling much better now. I can always look busy and do something else for myself.

    18. Re:Chill out... by Stephan+Schulz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm on call 24/7...

      If you are on call 24/7 I hope you charge them 168 hours per week. Seriously. If not, find a reasonable schedule. Being on call a day a week is ok, but being on 24/7 is only acceptable if you are on the C-level and get paid accordingly - and then you need to be able to fully control your own working hours.

      Otherwise, remember, it's not your company. If the server is down, its down. If it cannot be fixed quickly, the company is losing money. Too bad. They should have bought a better server solution and paid an additional IT guy. The people in charge need to live with their decisions. It's not your responsibility unless you are in charge.

      --

      Stephan

    19. Re:Chill out... by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      I'm salaried and for the last two years I've not received a salary increase from my employer. So I decided to give myself a salary increase by working less hours. Now I'm making more per hour. I simply refuse to do charity work for the share holders. I'm feeling much better now. I can always look busy and do something else for myself.

      You think the shareholders saw a dime of your charity? You were doing it for your bosses bonuses, plain and simple. The modern American executive now has the wonderful position of being able to fuck over the employees AND the shareholders to get bonuses they don't deserve. CEO salaries are rising at 2x the rate of the S&P and I don't see that trend reversing anytime soon, if anything it's just going to get worse with the CEO loving, share-holder hating Republicans at the helm.

    20. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reminds me of a discussion I had. A client of the company I was working for was in a major critical situation. There was a job running that had to finish; they needed to kick off another job immediately after that one finished. Somebody else was monitoring the first job. They wanted me to kick off that second job as soon as possible after the first finished.

      I said to them, "Do you want me to kick it off immediately after the first job finishes, or are you willing to wait fifteen to twenty minutes? In the former case, I am working, and I expect to be paid as though I am working. In the latter case, I am on call, and I expect to be paid only for the time it takes me to get the job done. There are other things I need to get done, and I need to be out of the house to get them done; if I have to stick around until that first job finishes, I can't get those other things done - hence, I am working. If I can go out, get them done, get interrupted when the first job is done, go home, get the second job started, then head off to finish what I need to get done, the disruption isn't too bad."

      My boss backed me up on that one. They agreed that the 15-20 minute delay was tolerable. The thing is, I wasn't bluffing - I was more than prepared to sit at home and twiddle my thumbs until I was needed, if they were prepared to pay me for my time.

      Know your limits. Set them. Make them known. If you're not being unreasonable, they'll work with you - and your life will be much less stressed.

    21. Re:Chill out... by mug+funky · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that may be borne of the fact that the average person in the western world does not get enough exercise or fruit/veg/vitamins

    22. Re:Chill out... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      THIS

      it's compounded by the prevailing work ethic of "i'm the only fucker here who can get it done". people take their tasks as personal milestones, and don't step back and say "if this doesn't get finished tonight, it's not my fault. it is my boss/client/whoever's organising this' fault".

      of course, if you work for yourself and end up with an impossible deadline for an important client, suck it up and try not to promise so much next time, or try to say "no, that's not possible at this point, and certainly not without extra payment".

      if the client threatens to ge elsewhere, call their bluff. nobody is going to take a job for a demanding fucker at the eleventh hour when they've already got a full plate. the client will make some calls, then come back to you with more reasonable terms. and if they don't, it's win-win.

    23. Re:Chill out... by mug+funky · · Score: 1

      knee tremblers are fantastic exercise - burns tons of calories.

      you burn plenty more when you clean the wall/floor afterward :)

    24. Re:Chill out... by JustOK · · Score: 3, Funny

      and they don't get enough sleep. dude, you should have caught that. sure you're getting enough exercise?

      --
      rewriting history since 2109
    25. Re:Chill out... by mug+funky · · Score: 2, Interesting

      sounds illegal. you should sue your workplace hard.

      honestly, if one person is that important to an enterprise, then it is doomed to fail miserably.

      if your employer has all it's eggs in one basket, then they deserve to lose that basket in a yellow, gooey stomp-fest led by you.

      fear of sleeping will give you a healthy dose of PTSD, and jeopardise your ability to do any other job.

      i had a job where i was the vital cog at several points, my boss was a psychopath bitch who mismanaged and blamed anyone but herself (mainly me), and when i finally got out of there it took me nearly 6 months to get back to decent productivity. i still flinch when a supervisor glances over at me, and i consider myself a normal person.

      that said, the place i left is in such dire straits that i laugh whenever i hear of it, and feel really sad for my colleagues who didn't manage to get out of there. the owners of that company will never retire and will die poor, miserable and disillusioned. and it'll be their fault.

    26. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soooo seconded. That whole attitude of 9-5 + overtime is what's wrong. Just have a system, where you have your 35 or 40 or whatever hour workweek and as long as you are at work within a reasonable time frame (so that co-workers can have a chat with you on that big new project needing a new server etc. face to face), there's no anxiety. Last job, I had to be there between 6 am and 22 pm to do my 40 hours per week. However, doing just 38 per week was totally fine if you had a positive balance. As we had to do some "overtime work" on weekends because some application could not go down during the week at all, that meant I pretty much always had to do less than 40 hours per week. Felt very relaxed. That was in Germany.

      On the other hand, at my current job here in Canada, it's 9-5. You are looked down upon, if you don't do longer hours, even though it is ok to leave a little early now and again or come in a little later. But don't you constantly do 6 1/2 instead of 7 because you did 60 for 2 months, that's gonna get you a friendly reminder not to slack off.

    27. Re:Chill out... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      It depends on your personality. Some people (my wife is one, a guy I work with is another) just seem to let the stress take over. My wife has this client who was pushing her to deliver work on an impossible schedule so she is up to 3 AM working on CAD drawings and wrecking herself in the process. I keep saying its not worth killing yourself over it. Life will go on without that client. But she keeps trying to deliver.

      Have you let her know that she can't possibly be doing a good job at 3AM? If it's important CAD drawings that she's betting her profession on it, wouldn't the professional thing be to step away, take a rest, rather than risk her future career?

      Even as programmers there's negative productivity after so long - she might be regressing her drawings or having unsafe components in it (load-bearing structure too weak, for example). I just hope whoever checks her drawings goes over them really carefully with a fresh eye.

      One mistake that leads to an accident or the structure failing and killing people not only will ruin her professional career, but her life too - she'll have to live with knowing she killed people. All that to meet some client's demands are purely not worth it.

    28. Re:Chill out... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      All good suggestions however they presuppose the ability to have a rational conversation. Unfortunately...

    29. Re:Chill out... by Steeltoe · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's probably not getting enough sleep.

      And don't forget to drink lots and lots of water every day! How could you forget? ;-)

    30. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Smoke some weed or hash, turn off the phone. Speaking of which, gotta head to Holland before they make the coffeeshops dutch-citizens only.

    31. Re:Chill out... by Colourspace · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That's people's answer to everything these days.

      Me: "I'm constantly tired and irritable. What should I do to help?"

      Society: "Get more exercise, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, and sleep eight hours a night."

      Me: "I constantly have the urge to stab my girlfriend in the face, and I see clowns in the toilet whenever I pee. What should I do?"

      Society: "Get more exercise, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, and sleep eight hours a night." /me solves all problems evar

      Meant to mark Insightful. Accidentally marked troll.

    32. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm somewhat like this. i work best under the pump, i just get into the zone and crank code / fix issues / serve customers / whatever my job at the time is, i work heaps more efficiently and after that day is through i get the feeling of "i just kicked that days ass!"

      its when there is no stress at my work i start getting bored and just browse slashdot instead and think about looking for more challenging work.

    33. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That's pretty much the answer: physical activity relieves stress.

      I disagree. I regard myself as a low stress person and I ride a bike to work, That may be a correlation but I don't think its causative. Some people wind them selves up on stress. Panic and stress feeding on each other until there is nothing else. Telling them to go for a swim or something won't help. They have to look outside the job they are working on.

      After 30+ years in IT, I found myself in a Coronary Intensive care unit one afternoon, and had a quad bypass the next day.

      After recovery, I went back to work, only to have my health continue to fail.

      I left the industry, bought a small ranch, and rested for a couple of years. That "vacation" cost all my life savings, but it was worth it.

      I now work for my State's Department of Transportation - I fix pavement, signs, guardrails, and clear debris from the roadways. I get to operate heavy equipment (Tonka Toys for Bigger Boys).

      I've never been happier.

    34. Re:Chill out... by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Who says you have to go outside? There's always a lonely secretary in the building and your desk is the perfect support for standing doggy style.

    35. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the stress factors where I work is the random drug testing.

    36. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do what you have to do to the best of your ability and don't worry about it. Stressing about it does not change a thing. I used to be in nuclear power in the navy and now I'm a network engineer. Totally different disciplines but the same chance for stress in each. Everyone has a different environment but here is an example... You are in the office and there is a power surge, the IT manager or CIO or whatever and you both run to the server room in a panic thinking OMG!!! Things might be down, call the NOC, call the manager!! Well, if they are down, the fact that you running there and yelling, and stressing is NOT GOING TO CHANGE A THING, they are down. So what. Bring them up, crack some jokes about an unplanned downtime and get over it. The fact that you even ran to the server room makes no sense either, you probably have much better tools and systems at your desk to monitor the servers and switches, going to the server room and looking at the few lights on the front of a router or a server in a rack is just about useless. IMHO, people that freak out and get stressed start making knee jerk decisions and give the impression that they really don't feel comfortable what they are doing, and quite honestly, they probably don't or they would not be stressing. I guess some if it is the "Admin from hell" syndrome where some people in IT think they are gods gift to the keyboard and they are more important than they really are.

      Long story short..
      People that stress out and freak out when things go wrong do it for NO reason, a clear head and relaxed attitude will always provide a better recovery and will show you are confident and methodical.

    37. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work extremely well under pressure and in stressful environments, but what it took me a hell of a long time to realize is that even though I thrive in those environments, I am not immune to the effects of stress.

      Exercise where you have to focus and can totally forget about work is incredibly helpful.

      Unfortunately I haven't found the time lately.

    38. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous+Squonk · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's people's answer to everything these days.

      Me: "I'm constantly tired and irritable. What should I do to help?"

      Society: "Get more exercise, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, and sleep eight hours a night."

      Me: "I constantly have the urge to stab my girlfriend in the face, and I see clowns in the toilet whenever I pee. What should I do?"

      Society: "Get more exercise, eat plenty of fruits and vegetables, and sleep eight hours a night." /me solves all problems evar

      Meant to mark Insightful. Accidentally marked troll.

      That's an odd mistake to make. You sure you're getting enough sleep?

    39. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These are all easy comments to make if you are just an employee. If the business is yours, if it depends on the security of your code, and still fear a hardware failure, then it's a way different story, and it is harder to get by the stress.

    40. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agree with this. I work in local government as the IT Director. Both myself and my deputy director may come in a little late, and we may stay a little late. We both frequently deal with afterhours calls from the 24 hours departments, and 90% of the time don't log after hours stuff for comp time or OT (we are both hourly, oddly enough). We both know our stuff with regard to all infrastructure, to include normal I.T. assets as well as radio infrastructure and field equipment for PD, FD, PW.

      On a slow day, one or both of us may even leave and take care of personal business, after all we have cell phones and now netbook computers with cellular access. I.T. really has it pretty good in a lot of ways, if you are willing to deal with the occasionally day (or night, or week) of pure hell when things do really break down. With great stress comes great rewards, at least some of the time.

      We have other lesser trained folks that can deal with some nick-knacks, and it is certainly true that they are expected to adhere to many stricter rules and lack some of the benefits. They also lack a significant amount of responsibilities and expectations.

    41. Re:Chill out... by svanheulen · · Score: 1

      Chill out, smoke more.

    42. Re:Chill out... by Strange+Ranger · · Score: 1

      It's kind of like viruses, security patches, and OS updates.
       
      If you haven't taken care of those things, stfu until you do.

      --

      Operator, give me the number for 911!
    43. Re:Chill out... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you know what, it is a good place to start for whatever ails you. Studies have repeatedly shown that people who get sufficient exercise, sleep and eat a good diet have fewer mental health problems then those who don't. For that matter everyone I know personally who has a mental or emotional issue, either gets little or no exercise, or gets irregular and limited sleep, or eats a diet low on fiber and vitamins, or some combination of the above (often all three). Just because it is a cliche, doesn't mean it is wrong. Once you have addressed these issues that are the cause of at least 50% of most people's mental and emotional problems, you can go on to look at other factors. However, there will be a lot more variance in appropriate courses of action at that point.

      --
      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    44. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do understand being on-call 24/7 isn't working 24/7 right? If you choose to make your career in IT operations you're going to deal with on-call rotations, and if you further choose to work for smaller companies those rotations may be long stretches of having to wear the proverbial pager. In the vast majority of these environments you also have a tremendous amount of control over how often you get called. Do quality work and you get to do the vast majority during work hours, let things slide and you'll get unplanned nights and weekends.

    45. Re:Chill out... by TheGothicGuardian · · Score: 1

      Just throwing this out there, but does your girlfriend happen to be a clown as well?

    46. Re:Chill out... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Beat off.

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      -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
    47. Re:Chill out... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      If you are on call 24/7 I hope you charge them 168 hours per week.

      That never happens but expected availability is very common. I'm theoretically on call 24/7, but that's not a big drama if the boss knows the difference between important and trivial and callouts only happen once or twice a year.

    48. Re:Chill out... by pushf+popf · · Score: 1

      My answer was to "say no"

      In fact, I went on to say "If you really need 24x7x365 support, you need three shifts of employees, not one poor bastard that you think you can call at 3am because something is unhappy"

      It worked just fine and I never got a call. when I went home at night, I was gone. When I came back in the morning, I was there.

      Setting limits with employers will do wonders for reducing stress and workload. They probably won't fire you unless they're complete dickheads, in which case a better job awaits somewhere else.

    49. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's compounded by the prevailing work ethic of "i'm the only fucker here who can get it done". people take their tasks as personal milestones, and don't step back and say "if this doesn't get finished tonight, it's not my fault. it is my boss/client/whoever's organising this' fault".

      +1,000,000 Insightful

    50. Re:Chill out... by modecx · · Score: 1

      Well, if you eat lots of fruits and vegetables, exercise and sleep eight hours, counting the time spent on the throne because of all the fiber; it really doesn't leave much time for feeling tired or irritable, or girlfriend face-stabbing for that matter. Maybe that's the idea...

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    51. Re:Chill out... by lordsid · · Score: 1

      We play hakke sack where I work on breaks. It's a nice way to get your mind off of code. I figure it helps because you are too busy trying to maintain foot-eye coordination.

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      IMAGE VERIFICATION IS EVIL!
    52. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you are on call 24/7 I hope you charge them 168 hours per week. Seriously.

      I am, and I do. We have a good system where I work.

      I get paid a small hourly wage every hour I am on-call. In exchange for this wage, I restrict my movements (must be able to be on-site at the datacenter with 1 hour notice) and am quite responsive to calls and pages (must be able to be logged in remotely within 15 minutes of being paged.)

      OTOH, I don't get paid for being called out, but if I'm working in the middle of the night that counts as "flex time" which I can take off later in the week. (Just don't call it "comp time", HR will come unglued. Don't ask me the difference, I just work here.)

      Since I'm on-call only for the stuff I actually run, it's theoretically "easy money" if I do a good job running stable services. In practice, it comes reasonably close, excepting our busy season.

    53. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect this is because anthropomorphic Society doesn't know anything about mental disorders, and think that people should just 'suck it up' and 'try to do some normal things'.

      That being said, some mental problems can be dealt with this way, but I would trust a qualified psychiatrist over what Society says any-day.

    54. Re:Chill out... by wzinc · · Score: 1

      Excellent idea, but, personally, the issue is that bosses or clients could call. It would be one thing to have one weekend a month on-call, but it's another to live like that. It may sound dumb, but the constant anxiety that someone could call means you can never really rest, even on vacation. I love what I do and I love helping coworkers, but it really wears on you.

      If it gets to be too much, I know Taco Bell will always be there...

    55. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is some added pay, but it only makes up for 20hrs/month. A call during night time costs them 8 x normal hourly rate.
      But in the end money does not matter if you have no life.

      Many geeks put too much pride into their work and are effectively on call at all times without compensation for it...

    56. Re:Chill out... by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      when i finally got out of there it took me nearly 6 months to get back to decent productivity. i still flinch when a supervisor glances over at me, and i consider myself a normal person.

      It sounds like you worked really hard, then decided and said, "screw this, this is really bad for me and I'm going to do something nice". It's really inspiring.

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    57. Re:Chill out... by uolamer · · Score: 1

      My secret was Xanax. It works if you do not abuse it.. I was prescribed as high as 2mg a day 3x a day, which was too much really. 1mg 3x a day is more than I need. I no longer need it though. I tried most all the SSRI meds none worked, most made things worse. Only thing I had that helped was Benzos like Xanax, ativan, etc.

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    58. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too ride a bike to work, I find it relaxing.

      As for stress at work, the only time I get really stressed is when things are going horribly wrong, i.e. a critical business application stops working, or a server update causes some unforeseen problem, the usual. Mainly because it presents the possibility that I will have to work long hours and that is not something I like to do. Don't get me wrong, I'm not work shy, but technology is supposed to make all our lives easier - mine included.

      To reduce stress I try to ensure that I have lots of redundancy, lots of backups (from fast on-line to off-site archive) all resulting in lots of ways to get back to a working state with varying degrees of speed. I restore service with redundancy and then fix the underlying problem at my leisure and within business hours.

      Another source of stress is getting random calls outside of work from the boss for silly little things, for me this really puts a dampener on the day, particularly when I am on holiday. As I don't get paid for it, I figure it is my prerogative to answer the calls or not. Perhaps too many of us consider it somehow part of our job to be on call 24/7 for free and that only serves to entrench this expectation. That just means we all loose out. In most other professions on-call comes with a cost (salaried or not). Why should IT be any different.

    59. Re:Chill out... by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      I think the problem with IT, or any knowledge-based jobs, is that you don't produce anything tangible so no matter how much you work it rarely feels like there's something to show for it.

      Using a GTD tool to manage your time can be helpful:

      1. It gets rid all of the vague worries floating around your head, into writing. It makes it easier to switch contexts when you go home.

      2. It gets you into the habit of working on smaller chunks, and prioritizing.

      3. You always have a list of completed tasks, every day.

    60. Re:Chill out... by FST777 · · Score: 1

      This is one of the reasons why, sometimes, I'm glad to get to go to the data-centre and *build* stuff. It's enormously satisfying to spend a few days to rack up a few cabinets full of shiny new kit in between weeks of working behind a monitor fixing configurations and stuff.

      Besides, it's a good feeling to know that the common bias of us geeks being afraid of physical work is wrong. Yes, your back hurts after racking a few blade chassis, but at least you feel like you did something. Certainly did a lot more tangible work than those guys over at marketing...

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      Free beer is never free as in speech. Free speech is always free as in beer.
    61. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes I work 36-48h uninterrupted to deliver on impossible things, last week I was on a 20h work scheduled every day including Saturday and Sunday.

      I guess someone needs to take on the contracts that are doomed to fail with normal work routines.

      But then again I feel no stress or have any major problems with it, my heart hurts a little bit sometimes but that's all.

    62. Re:Chill out... by shnull · · Score: 1, Funny

      watch dexter, find inspiration, go out at night, make a difference

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      beware he who denies you access to information for in his mind, he already deems himself to be your master (SMAC-ish)
    63. Re:Chill out... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      you need regularly scheduled activity, so it forces you to step away for a while.

      That's the excuse I use for reading Slashdot at work. I open a browser on the server and schedule regular "maintenance" checks every 15 minutes.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    64. Re:Chill out... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Careful, you don't want one arm to become strong and muscular while the other one wastes away. Try alternating hands or something.

      Sex burns about 250 calories but jacking off is a lot less demanding so it's probablu only worth a cookie's worth. Cutting down on a cookie a day seems a more sensible goal than trying to beat one off, unless you enjoy RSI.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    65. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There may be more to it than that. This changed my anxiety ridden life. http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/94461017/social+anxiety?tab=summary ....try before you buy it for $260 http://www.socialanxietyinstitute.org/audioseries.html

    66. Re:Chill out... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      While I won't justify companies blaming IT if things go wrong when it is their fault for not investing in the level of service they demand, I would like to make a point that I see many people in IT missing with this sort of thing.

      If the company says "we want to do x" and you think to yourself "I need to make this as cheap as possible to get the business" you are setting yourself up for a shitstorm when it inevitably goes wrong. A guy I used to work with did it all the time, writing on expensive quote for a suitable system and then one cheap one using recycled servers and 10 year old worn out backup tapes etc. Presented with two options the management always choose the cheaper one but their expectations of service don't decrease at all. When problems appear they demand you fix them RIGHT NOW and usually at your own expense.

      It doesn't seem to matter that they are buying a business critical system and their entire operation will grind to a halt when it breaks down. You might lose out to a cheaper quote but the guy who undercut you will end up losing money anyway thanks to all the extra shit he has to deal with.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    67. Re:Chill out... by Leebert · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't. Lets face it, if the server goes down - the server does down.

      It really depends on how critical it is, yes?

      In my previous job, I ran security-related infrastructure for a decent amount of HPC. I was, in theory, on call 24/7. We ranked failures of certain subsystems (including security) with a given severity level, which required differing response requirements.

      I based my ranking on what I would do if I got an automated page at 2 AM on Christmas morning with a light dusting of snow on the ground. Would I feel it important enough to drive in to work and fix it?

      For the things that were indeed in the critical path (firewalls, LDAP servers, and the like), I ensured I engineered enough redundancy in that I *could* ignore a single failure in such a situation and be reasonably confident that I could restore full service without interruption on my next scheduled work day.

      As a result, I can count on one hand the number of times I actually *had* to drive into work to respond to a failure in the final 3 or so years of my employment there.

      That, combined with what I like to term a "healthy level of indifference", made for a relatively stress-free job. (The real stress came in project meetings and other managerial and customer interactions.)

      You don't have to worry about watching it - someone will let you know when it goes down.

      Nagios, meet Monkeedude1212. Monkeedude1212, meet Nagios.

    68. Re:Chill out... by rhsanborn · · Score: 1

      Apparently your wife isn't a slashdot reader :)

    69. Re:Chill out... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      That's people's answer to everything these days.

      It's a though terminating cliche. People say it because, odds are, none of us really do all of these things. If someone doesn't like you complaining about something, they can just trot this one out to shut you up.

      Think of it as the grown up version of "There are children in the world dying for want of that broccoli.", and "You should be outside on the street corner instead of gawking at that video game.". It's a rather meaningless disparagement which is based on the premise that certain things are _always_ more worthwhile than others, for everyone, all the time.

      I'm reminded of this recent Penny Arcade strip and the accompanying commentary. One of the writers--Gabe's--son spend his time playing a 3D sandbox construction game, and is (almost) chided for this an encouraged to play outside in the cold instead. Tycho--the other writer--sums this up succintly.

      This is how Gabriel the Younger invests his leisure hours - in the construction and demolition of imaginary worlds. You can't tell me, or at any rate I will refuse to hear, that this doesn't have value.

      And it does have value. I'm not saying that play outside doesn't; but games like minecraft are how our future architects and engineers will find their profession. Saying that people should be outside playing instead of this is like saying they should be outside instead of reading a book. The platitude does not stand up to serious scrutiny.

      Eating fruits and vegetables and getting lots of exercise is NOT going to reduce your stress levels or help with your anxiety. It's just going to make you more riled up, exhausted, and eat free time that could be spent on far better things; such as meeting people, going out for a meal or just plain relaxing with a good book. That's how you deal with stress and anxiety. You go on an Olympic regime when you want to lose weight.

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      May the Maths Be with you!
    70. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also stress is quite often caused by adrenaline in the system. Do some exercise and this works it off.

    71. Re:Chill out... by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      Cause or effect? Mental or emotional issues tend to make it harder to live healthily. Try getting someone with clinical depression to exercise or sleep well.

    72. Re:Chill out... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      What a tipical response... You ARE having a rational conversation, it is just that it is a SLOW one. Say it, and keep repeating; with time she'll think about it and come with a rational answer. Then, after she repeates her answer a few times, enough for you to actualy listen, continue the conversation.

      Remember, it is all rational, but very noisy.

    73. Re:Chill out... by jackbird · · Score: 1

      This is why they say being a parent is the hardest job of all, BTW.

    74. Re:Chill out... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Cause or effect? Mental or emotional issues tend to make it harder to live healthily. Try getting someone with clinical depression to exercise or sleep well.

      All of those who I knew before they had the problems did not get sufficient exercise or sleep before the mental/emotional problems appeared.

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      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    75. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that may be borne of the fact that the average person in Slashdot does not get enough exercise or fruit/vag/vitamins

      FTFY

    76. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get on the treadmill, go for a run, etc... Stop stressin' dude.

      Masturbate. Often.

    77. Re:Chill out... by Skal+Tura · · Score: 1

      do you use somekind of software to do that, or the paper & bins method?

    78. Re:Chill out... by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      I agree with your here, there is a sort of mini adrenalin rush from trying to deal with a quick response situation which is what happens often with doctors in emergency, and nurses, etc...after awhile, ordinary life is just no fun, so you look for those deadlines, patients, that really push you further....

      Unfortunately, if you keep that pace, you die an early death, I am noticing how much quicker the grey set in when i took a high stress job, where as before, you could hardly tell my age, even now, people do not really believe I am the age i say, however, with the grey it gets a bit hard to hide...

      Stress, whether from work or at home, should be delt with to not be a permanent part of your life...i am aiming for that goal in the new year.

    79. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't hear that being offered as an answer unless it fits the issue and it doesn't fit "I'm constantly tired and irritable"

      Whats wrong with getting plenty of rest, eating right and getting some exercise?
      The reason most people don't like that answer is because some part of that cuts into something in their life that they do not want to cut out.

      "I constantly have the urge to stab my girlfriend in the face, and I see clowns in the toilet whenever I pee."

      Get a new GF. She probably isn't in the kitchen making you a sammich and may be the source of your irritability. Add the fact you stay up late fantasizing about stabbing her in the face and its the most logical choice.
      Get back on your meds so you don't see the clowns and do relaxing things before bed. If that doesn't make the clowns go away - call a plumber.

    80. Re:Chill out... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Researchers say every time a man orgasm it reduces the chances of getting prostate cancer. Let's try to eradicate this dreaded disease. I can't do this alone. Hmmmm... let me rephrase that.

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      -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
    81. Re:Chill out... by amn108 · · Score: 1

      I hope it's just you, because I am aiming for a long and happy life doing computer programming. Not necessarily the IT industry in all its "glory", but somehow your story has sown a seed of doubt in me. But it's good that you're happy though. After all, it seems our bodies were simply not made to be put onto an office chair with eyes staring at a computer screen for hours straight...

    82. Re:Chill out... by amn108 · · Score: 1

      "Fuck off." is even better

    83. Re:Chill out... by cander0000 · · Score: 1

      Agreed on the lack of tangible produce can make it feel like you don't accomplish anything. Oftentimes in IT roles, especially operational roles, your inputs only exist in temporary form, a request, a walk by, your 'work' is mostly identifying and researching 'what' to do (i.e. troubleshooting), actually doing it may have been very unchallenging and represent a small portion of the overall time, and the output may be unremarkable - restoring a system to its previous condition, for example.
      Read the book Getting Things Done
      What I've found a helpful adaption of those steps to an IT operation is put those inputs into a tangible form, a todo list, ticket list, etc. Make your finding out 'what' to do a tangible by product by documenting your work for yourself and others to refer to in the future. Call attention to the outputs by going over completed work to document lessons learned, provide detailed lists to your client/employer. At first it may sound like beauracracy you don't have time for, but long-term, the pure 'break-fix' cycle is unsustainable, it's not productive, people put in that position will burn out in weeks/months.

    84. Re:Chill out... by inKubus · · Score: 1

      Lets face it, if the server goes down - the server does down. You don't have to worry about watching it - someone will let you know when it goes down. And then you can deal with it when it goes down.

      Kid, you gotta get yourself some monitoring software (Nagios, et al). You don't want to wait for someone else to let you know when a server goes down. Just have it kick off a notification to your SMS. Once you have that, you can also have it kick off scripts to automatically fix stuff (restart Tomcat, or whatever).

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    85. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, this movie is so spot on. I laughed my ass off at this scene. + .. Aniston is h4wt.

    86. Re:Chill out... by Minthos · · Score: 1

      Explain to them what an "enabler" is. Sociopaths are always going to take advantage of everyone, and people like your friend and your wife are just fodder for them. Better no client than a bad client.

      I think there is a certain thrill in getting stressed. You get an endorphin rush from it. In a sense it could be quite addictive. Its hard to talk a person out of something like that.

      Just play online games against other people - starcraft 2 for example. Don't know about endorphines but I get heaploads of adrenaline from 1v1 ladder games.

    87. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get to be in charge unless you take responsibility. Fix the problem, and propose a way to prevent it from happening. Find a way to make the problem less disruptive so you don't come in.

      If all 50 team members expect me to do this, across four teams, so they can clock out on time and never call in, I have to find 50 different team members. I have other problems to solve - like how do I get more customers in here so I can give some raises.

    88. Re:Chill out... by ewok85 · · Score: 1

      Can't agree any more! I setup Nagios (with Ninja, running almost constantly on a 3rd monitor at home) and with automated alarms for things like extended downtime to sites, or for hosts, and disk space/CPU usage warnings I generally catch issues before I have a wave of users crying at me. Throw in email/jabber on my iPhone and a boss that lets me work from home, I do most of my 9-5 work away from my computer (all the real work happens at 2am when I can reboot anything on a whim). I'm looking at joining the local gym - weekdays during the day its dead, and they have a nice pool :)

    89. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... Marijuana

    90. Re:Chill out... by Shimbo · · Score: 1

      do you use somekind of software to do that, or the paper & bins method?

      I'm using a beta of Nirvana at the moment. I like an online tool because it's easy to push things back and forth between work and home.

    91. Re:Chill out... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Eh... I hear where you're coming from. Though I've spent most of my time reading something or talking to someone - no good. I don't think it ever was. I don't want to meet people - I want to meet the one. And fast... Hence me being on all sorts of medications. *sigh* God, I wish I wasn't a romantic.

      --
      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
    92. Re:Chill out... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Preach it brother.

      --
      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
    93. Re:Chill out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody is saying "don't play games" or "don't read" or "don't got out with friends." But the simple fact is that people who eat healthy and get sufficient exercise are happier and live longer. You're giving terrible advice suggesting that people shouldn't exercise and eat well. "Free time that could be spent on far better things"? It takes exactly no more time to eat a bowl of fruit instead of a bowl of fruit loops. A turkey sandwich instead of a beef dip. Water instead of a supersized coke. Same amount of time. And exercise-wise, something like playing a social team sport even let's you combine exercise with meeting people.

      Don't get me wrong, I always hated sports growing up, preferring to read and play games. But eventually I found some activities I like and now I'm much healthier and better off for it. I get out a couple nights a week, see friends, meet new friends, and run around. It's great.

      My suggestion is to just keep trying random sports until you find something you like. Exercise you hate will get you no where, but odds are that there's some form of exercise out there that you'll enjoy. And when you find it, your body will thank you for it.

  3. Hell yes!!! by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2, Funny

    Massive anxiety, and stress.
    Frequently relieved by Beer.

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    If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
    1. Re:Hell yes!!! by Kosi · · Score: 1, Informative

      ... yeah, until you start to fear the beer, because you realize that all that beer is slowly destroying you. Some people quit before that point, some do it at that point, and some do never quit. Which group do you belong to?
       

    2. Re:Hell yes!!! by GloomE · · Score: 3, Funny

      And some kill that realisation with more beer.

    3. Re:Hell yes!!! by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      Actually I belong to the group that has a 6 pack in the fridge that has been sitting there for 2 weeks.
      I have a good friend who is also in computers, and once or twice a week we hit the pub have a beer or two with a meal and bitch about our employers. It usually turns into a game of who's employer is more fucked. He always wins.
      But with out those stress relieving pub nights many of my users would have simply disappeared. Perhaps I can convince my employer to pay for my pub nights.

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      If I were God, wouldn't I protect my churches from acts of me?
    4. Re:Hell yes!!! by sirnobicus · · Score: 1

      Beer???? You must be new in IT. Try some Single Malts and join us old timers

    5. Re:Hell yes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't that be third group?

    6. Re:Hell yes!!! by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      ... yeah, until you start to fear the beer, because you realize that all that beer is slowly destroying you. Some people quit before that point, some do it at that point, and some do never quit. Which group do you belong to?

      s/beer/women/g

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    7. Re:Hell yes!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you're stressed out by working at a brewery, in which case beer starts to feel like work! /This is actually my current situation. Stressed and tired, but I do love this job.

  4. Not sure.. by malkavian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it's being an anxious person that makes me good at my role in IT (disaster recovery/business continuity), or whether doing that job simply makes me more so, as I constantly have to anticipate the worst.. Either way, yes, I'm an anxious person (and prone to mild depressions), but hey, there are ways of dealing with it. In winter times, a SAD light really helps give a boost.. Every few weeks, I hit a health spa, and get a good massage. I work out at the gym, which gives a good energy rush and helps me feel better.. I dive.. Hanging around the 30m mark doesn't give your body any choice but to relax (the joys of nitrogen).. I keep a fairly busy social life, which doesn't let me dwell (there's nothing like people to keep you distracted!).. And being able to cook pretty well helps with that (and is a great distraction itself).. When you're at work, let the focus (and anxiety) creep up; it gives you an edge.. When you're away from work.. Keep yourself busy and distracted.. In general, that works for me.. And as a side effect, it keeps me pretty healthy and well fed too!

    1. Re:Not sure.. by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, what you're saying is -- you should have a life? That has possibilities.

      Hmm.... I already have two level 80 raiders, one a Kingslayer. I suppose I could roll another one...

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    2. Re:Not sure.. by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      The diving isn't just giving you nitrogen. The seawater has many essential minerals that are lacking in the modern diet, foremost among them magnesium. Having the pressure at 30' might help oush them in, but just being in seawater helps.

    3. Re:Not sure.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not sure that we can trust a Malkavian's advice on anxiety...
      http://wiki.white-wolf.com/worldofdarkness/index.php?title=Malkavian

    4. Re:Not sure.. by malkavian · · Score: 1

      Oh, I so wish I knew who you were, so I could buy you a beer! :) That made me chuckle.. :)

  5. Weed by SkankinMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people I know that work in IT smoke egregious amounts of pot.

    1. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add me to the list. Helps me fall asleep and sleep peacefully through the night.

    2. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Weed agitates anxiety in a lot of people. I hear you just have to get past the curve of a chronic stoner. I look forward to the other side. This Four Loko isn't helping.

    3. Re:Weed by sitharus · · Score: 1

      And we wonder why software fails so often... You get the munchies, forget what you were doing, assume it must have been good because it seems to work!

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      --sitharus
    4. Re:Weed by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Most people I know that work in IT smoke egregious amounts of pot.

      Luckily, it hasn't affected me, though the disk arrays keep looking at me - with their constant blinking... blinkity, blink, blink - QUIT LOOKIN' AT ME!

      --
      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    5. Re:Weed by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Informative

      That doesn't sound like the effects of Pot.

      You didn't recently introduce acid into your diet, did you?

    6. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. I can attest to that. Working on a short-staffed support team for an enterprise cloud software company who has customers who demand a lot and don't have their own staff on hand to handle an enterprise on-premise solution + its infrastructure, it can get rather stressful. My wife gets annoyed with me about the smoking, but for someone who doesn't drink, it's the only way aside from exercise which I already do!

    7. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Add me to the list. Helps me fall asleep and sleep peacefully through the night.

      and thru work as well . . .

    8. Re:Weed by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      I was joking, of course, but mixing weed and stress is like mixing antihistamines, Mountain Dew and a few days of sleep deprivation. The results are not pretty - though the colors are nice, even if everything is a bit shaky.

      --
      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    9. Re:Weed by Niris · · Score: 1

      Heh, I've noticed it varies by office. One office I worked in had pretty much everyone smoking, but when I worked as an intern for the State everyone was middle aged with families and very Christian with the whole no smoking/drinking.

    10. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try smoking pure Quebec gold sometimes, if you are not paranoid after a full joint alone smoke another one

    11. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That happens when you lick the label of a BSD disk.

    12. Re:Weed by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we wonder why software fails so often... You get the munchies, forget what you were doing, assume it must have been good because it seems to work!

      no, we have crappy software because management doesn't smoke weed. they want software done yesterday with all the ideas they will tell you about tomorrow.

      --
      Be seeing you...
    13. Re:Weed by sitharus · · Score: 1

      So that's only my experience then?

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      --sitharus
    14. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pot not needed.

      I just don't care. I'm partially drunk at the moment and if all hell broke loose at the office, I'd go fix it. It's called being confident in your abilities.

      For those stressing, there's a simple fix: JUST LET GO OF IT ALL!

    15. Re:Weed by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      I've always thought Moss (from I.T. Crowd) smoked hella pot. At least irl maybe.

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      It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
    16. Re:Weed by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

      Yet it seems that, at least in "popular" I.T. culture (Thinkgeek?) caffeine is sort of the staple drug. I guess everyone has their vices.

      Now pot *and* caffeine together, that might just be what produces a black hole in spacetime.

      "Arrowed!" --teen girl squad (not sure why I even just thought of that right now)

      --
      It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
    17. Re:Weed by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      Is this a USA thing?

      If there was any evidence at all of drug usage in our job or probably just about any other I know of in the UK, it'd be instant dismissal?

    18. Re:Weed by SkankinMonkey · · Score: 1

      It depends on where you work. Smaller shops tend to be pretty lax on what you do with your personal time. Bigger companies are iffier.

    19. Re:Weed by Leolo · · Score: 1

      Please do not operate heavy firewalls while under the influence.

    20. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow that's actually quite descriptive. I'm a one man IT show running 6 locations, 110 employees. keeps me busy most of the time but I can take a two hour lunch and get blitzed without anyone batting an eye. and the 40min ride to/from work is a great opportunity for a nice fatty.

    21. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been open about my marijuana use at most of my jobs and have noticed that many of my peers also indulge. I've also admitted smoking pot when requested to take a drug test, on two occasions, and was hired anyway. Any reasonable employer shouldn't care as long as you get the job done well. (It's not like I'm ever stoned on the job...)

    22. Re:Weed by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      Most people I know that work in IT smoke egregious amounts of pot.

      Plus 5 Insightful; I know a couple of non-weed-smoking IT types but they are definitely in the minority in my (short) 15 years of experience.

      --
      ..Mullah or Pope, Preacher or Poet, who was it wrote: "Give any one species too much rope and they'll fuck it up"?
    23. Re:Weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the UK? You're shitting me right? Unless you work at GCHQ, I've yet to work for company that would give a shit. I've only ever once worked for a company that had a "No alcohol at lunch time policy" and surprise surprise, that company just happened to be part of a large American corporation.

      I'm fairly certain that in my current place that if I got stoned the only complaint would be that I was drinking an unusually large amount of hot chocolate from the drinks machine.

    24. Re:Weed by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

      Really does depend then. The size of the company I work for is 100 employees and yes, alcohol at lunch time (unless entertaining clients) is classed as Gross Misconduct. I've never known them to snoop on Facebook looking for mention of smoking weed or whatever but it wouldn't entirely surprise me if they were looking for an excuse to get rid of someone.

      Pity on the alcohol policy really, as otherwise I'd be down the pub like a shot at lunch time!

    25. Re:Weed by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Most of the people that know enough to see that most of the world is FUBAR smoke a lot of pot.

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      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
  6. Whores by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    See subject

  7. Should not be worried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spares, disaster plans, good hardware, good software, good staff, backups. All outages can be named and planned for.

    1. Re:Should not be worried by antifoidulus · · Score: 1

      Except your boss doesn't want to approve any of the budget for that stuff because he would rather it go into his bonus than actually do anything useful for the company or its employees. He has to pay you no matter what, so from his end making you work 80 hours a week is cheaper than buying the infrastructure to actually only necessitate you working 40 hours a week. He then splits the resulting savings between his bonus and his boss's bonus.

  8. Become the IT manager by TheGiB · · Score: 3, Funny

    And delegate.

    1. Re:Become the IT manager by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? If the network goes down and your employer loses $70,000 an hour in lost productivity for every hour down, it is not the lowly Cisco engineer's fault. ITS YOURS! If that happens more than once your career is through.

      The Cisco engineer ... well he has to hear crap from you of course but you have some very powerful enemies who can move mountains to help HR fire you.

    2. Re:Become the IT manager by SuurMyy · · Score: 1

      The manager can delegate the blame and the engineer gets fired.

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      The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
    3. Re:Become the IT manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nope. Upper management will fire you instead. The engineer needs a warning and 3 write-ups and an improvement plan and all that nonsense before you can fire him. If the VP of sales can't get his email out he can convince HR to not go through these procedures to go after you though.

      Also you are responsible for what someone does without your knowledge. If he makes a mistake on your day off your job is on the line. You hired him right? Management makes more for a reason.

    4. Re:Become the IT manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I am the manager and let me tell you something, going from a environment where everyone functions on logic and making sure things work properly to an environment straight out of a Dilbert cartoon is one of the most stressful transitions I have ever made.

      I consider myself one of the "good" managers. Failures stop at my and success gets pushed up. I spend far too much time fighting HR/GA and accounting policies specifically designed to prevent work from getting done in order to keep other people busy and look like they are accomplishing something.

      Well, anyway, feeling stressed and had to vent!

    5. Re:Become the IT manager by c0lo · · Score: 1

      Nope. Upper management will fire you instead....

      Under normal circumstances, I'd agree.
      However, I don't think I've seen many corporate mid-managers (IT or not) over a certain age that don't know how to cover their ass, win a medal in finger pointing games, be proficient in throwing the hot ball in another court and other such corporate Olympic games. Simply, those that are not decent competitors in these games don't get to be managers for long enough...

      And it is only natural to be so, because a corporate world is stabler on long term, thus the Peter Principle has longer time to act and "sediment" the people in their spots.

      --
      Questions raise, answers kill. Raise questions to stay alive.
    6. Re:Become the IT manager by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      You can only delegate if you have someone to delegate to.

      This is from a lone employee in charge of 4 servers and over 1,000 desktops. Taking a sick day causes hell and three times the work is waiting for me when I get back.

      --
      "Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
    7. Re:Become the IT manager by altek · · Score: 1

      In my experience (which is almost all in healthcare IT, a particularly stressful brand of IT when your users are always screaming the mantra "patient care issue, patient on the table!", even when the IT issue has nothing to do with the actual patient's care), the managers are mostly on call all the time. So even if they're not the ones doing the break-fix during a downtime, they are always getting paged at 2am for systemwide outages affecting other areas, other applications, etc. And no matter who on our team gets the page for an issue, if there is a downtime that our team is affected by, they're running communications with leadership, etc. I know it's not always like that everywhere, but in healthcare IT it seems to be the norm. So I'd rather NOT be a manager for that reason, right now I have my two weeks on call, then eight weeks off, but managers are mostly on call all the time.

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      THE MAGIC WORDS ARE SQUEAMISH OSSIFRAGE
  9. Relax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that likely a high percentage of people in core IT are control freaks (like me) however, you have to learn to deal with it - and yes, go to the gym, go for a walk. It's only work and it's only systems and it's only a job. There are plenty of professions that are plenty more stressful and where failure results in much more negative outcomes than a server going down.

    1. Re:Relax by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      unless you happen to work in a sector doing public safety IT.

  10. Stress by east+coast · · Score: 1

    Reading, cycling, target shooting, astronomy, music.... There's a million things to do. Stress doesn't make you a better worker so you may as well avoid it.

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    Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
  11. Different Source of "Anxiety"... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    To all the server room monkeys and desktop admins...

    If my job could be described this way, my anxiety would probably come more from the fear that I was ripe for "outsourceing" or "rightsizing" or whatever the HR thugs are calling it when they ship jobs to the slave labor camps overseas... Not from the possibility of being called in on Turkey day (when I might well be in a black-out drunken stupor)...

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  12. The difference between managers and workers by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The workers care about the stuff that they do, and get anxiety about it. Managers don't give a rat's ass, and have no anxiety.

    The hallmark of a good executive, is that he can turn his problems, into yours.

    --
    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    1. Re:The difference between managers and workers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spoken like someone new to the workforce.

      It's not that simple, actually. As a lower-level worker, you definitely want time to unplug and get time away from the front lines. And there's always the stress of trying to patch something under fire, or deal with rickety systems that have gone completely sideways at the worst possible moment. It's completely stressful and can be a total nightmare.

      As a manager, especially those of us who have manage departments of former co-workers, or departments that we would have previously worked in, that is never far from mind. The last thing I like to do (truly) is call at an inopportune moment on a weekend, a holiday, or after a long day. Those calls come after exhausting every other option -- is this really a 10:30 PM/Saturday/company holiday problem? Can it wait until the next morning? Is there a patch coming? Is there a workaround in the meantime? Do we have someone on hand who can patch it that ISN'T on a weekend or a vacation?

      Unfortunately, sometimes that call has to be made. And in those cases, there are actually dollars on the line. I have the impression that you've probably heard "dollars on the line" and think it's a lie - there are always dollars on the line, right? Well, yes. And "dollars on the line" - or "account on the line" or whatever variation thereof means, "loss we cannot realistically sustain at this point". Subtext: "We are all in a really bad position if we don't do this."

      When I can run interference or manage expectations, I can. But I know that the last thing you and I want is for me to jump in on systems that I'm, at best, a couple years foggy on (or only algorithmically familiar with) -- you really don't want me jumping in where I'm totally unfamiliar with the nuances. (Nor does QA). So in those situations, I can only hang around and answer priority questions, scope reduction questions on the problem at hand, etc. If we're in the office, I'll gladly buy you a drink, dinner, whatever.

      But for the love of god, don't think I don't have anxiety. I have just as much as you - it's just a different type.

      The best thing for all of us to do is to try and unplug as much as possible when we're out of work. Don't let the time off be tainted by "I could get an email" or "I could get a text", etc... yes, you can, but time off spent worrying about that is not truly downtime. If the call or email or text comes, the call or email or text will come, and worrying about it will not have made that moment any less stressful. I wrestled with that for ages and you really just have to do whatever you can to make it like a switch - off at the end of the day, and if an emergency crops up, on again. It's exceedingly difficult and sometimes you need to have the burnout moment where you realize the job just isn't worth it... some people have to go to therapy to be able to build that separation. Whatever it takes, it's critical to figure out, because it will eat you alive if you don't.

      And remember... in most cases, I got a call before you, and I did everything possible to *not* have to call you.

      But today - I'm not checking my work email. If the world blows up, Tokyo or London will deal with it to the best of their abilities. If they can't and NY or Chicago can't, then it will come to SF and LA. And we'll do what needs to be done. Even though it sucks. (Because the alternative in those cases sucks pretty badly for all of us.)

    2. Re:The difference between managers and workers by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      Well spoken. glad to know there are other decent human beings out there.

    3. Re:The difference between managers and workers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not all managers are the same PHB that you care to portray. Yes, I am a manager and yes I have a team to delegate to who is on call AND I am always available 24 * 7 when they need help or a problem is major. I sit next to some of those manager types you describe in staff meetings and I have been on 13 hour conference calls with managers who cared just like me.

      A good manager doesn't take a weekly rotation of oncall, they live oncall. Not as the primary but for the following:
      * The oncall fails to respond
      * The oncall has been on the hook for XX hours and needs some sleep
      * The CIO is asking why its broken and when it is going to be fixed
      * The oncall has tried every trick they know and are baffled.
      * The problem requires someone to work across many departments and cajole others into doing their job

      A good executive worries more than you ever think, but as a leader he/she doesn't show it and delegates and resolves the problem.

      Managers exist that don't give a rats ass, but you know who they are and so do their direct reports, peers and leadership.

    4. Re:The difference between managers and workers by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not the managers I have met. Everything is always there fault.

      When I worked fast food long ago there was an annoying coworker who thought he was bad ass for being promoted to a manager. Now he can move out of his parents house! Wahoo ... for one day. Second day on the job the district manager pointed his finger about handle time, wasting food, etc. He quized him, followed him, and the new manager explained he was not trained and these new guys just started. It wasn't his fault.

      Bla bla .. the district manger smiled and said "... it is now. You are the manager. Fix it!"

      Within a week he was begging to be demoted back to minimum wage and not deal with this bs. The man had an anxiety attack on the job within his first week!

      First day in MBA school they go over every bad theoretical situation at work and it is management's fault 100% of the time. Many of us who think they have it made and get paid to browse the news do not see the other side. I am not a manger, but I am aware when I become one my ass is theirs. It pays more for a very good reason.

    5. Re:The difference between managers and workers by LongearedBat · · Score: 1

      The hallmark of a good executive, is that he can turn his problems, into yours.

      No, that's the hallmark of a bad manager who slowly and insidiously poisons his workplace.
      Workers don't want to work for such a manager. Morale gets lower. Workers do only what they must, with no love for their employer. You get no champions (workers who see a way to improve the workplace, and volunteer to "champion" that cause). Workers talk bad about their employer to their friends, and sometimes even to clients. Slowly the reputation spreads, and then it gets harder/more expensive to hire good people. Slowly the busiess is poisoned from within.

      A good executive understands this, and makes sure all the managers understand this too. Good management is good to workers, causing workers to do what they can to stay, often with lower salaries than they could get elsewhere. Happy workers will reciprocate by giving back to the workplace in terms of higher quality effort, more effort, becoming friendly with their colleagues, etc. Slowly you get a very tight knit, supportive workplace.

    6. Re:The difference between managers and workers by SLot · · Score: 1

      Can I come work for you?

  13. Yeah but you got to let go by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find if I spend all my free time on the computer too (even if I'm doing fun things) I'm more likely to keep thinking about work and the fact those of us who are talented at work are out numbers by poor management and poor developers.

    Salaried or not, take your free time and get away from the computer and do something physical and fun. Eat better too. Junk food is nice sometimes but eating better will have an effect on how you feel and as always get a decent sleep.

    My biggest problem was drinking coffee through out the day even minutes before bed while staying up late. I was getting very little sleep. That really drains you (or me at least).

    1. Re:Yeah but you got to let go by SuurMyy · · Score: 1

      Caffeine promotes anxiety. When getting stressed out, it's best to avoid caffeine altogether.

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      The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
  14. The opposition is only entropy. by Animats · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the opposition is just entropy, it's not too bad. Active opposition is much more stressful. Lifeguards, firefighters, and EMTs tend not to be overly stressed. Cops and soldiers, though, routinely get stressed out.

    1. Re:The opposition is only entropy. by GJSchaller · · Score: 1

      In the IT World, "Active Opposition" can manifest as geek / nerd ego. I've seen IT Staff / Departments overflow with anxiety because certain individuals would make it a point to oppose anything and everything they could, to make themselves feel important and needed. Everything needed to be researched, checked, verified, approved, and vetted before it could be executed... and, of course, with so much work, there wasn't enough time to do it all, making it worse.

      In one case, every single IT project in our company came to a halt while one person prevented them from moving forward. Once he was fired (for unrelated reasons that could be quantified), every project suddenly began to move, and was completed in a reasonable time frame. We still did the work right, we just didn't oppose each other while doing it.

    2. Re:The opposition is only entropy. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      There was one of those where I worked. His wife had a child and he suddenly had less time to interfere in projects he should have had nothing to do with. He still creates pointless trouble on occasion but now everyone can wait him out for a week or so.

  15. 27 years in IT and right on the nose by mlawrence · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suffer from general anxiety disorder. It has affected my relationships, my health and my pocketbook. As of Tue I am being forced to declare bankruptcy, despite the fact WHEN I WORK I made $30-$40 an hour. I find it almost impossible to keep a job because of it. I really wish I had read this Slashdot story back in 1983. :)

    1. Re:27 years in IT and right on the nose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After many years I've been downsized, they laid off all IT but the remote support guy.

      I believe that was a lousy decision, but then again, it isn't mine. (we know that feeling)

      I know I did what I could and my work has had significant value, that is what I will take away from it. They may be hurting next year, but all they are thinking of is cost savings now.

      My suggestion: if you can get them to help relive your stress by adding staff/resources or taking up your ideas for greater efficiency, don't worry about it do what you can, and don't apologize for the stuff you can't. Don't set unrealistic goals; if you are stressing out, that probably is the case.

    2. Re:27 years in IT and right on the nose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the payscale you sound like my friend who's worked for large corporations doing menial IT work. (Her last full-time gig was customer support for the most customer-loving computer company there is.) She has a Masters in Computer Science, but can't hold onto a job because every time things get slightly rough, she has a nervous breakdown.

      There is therapy and/or drugs for serious anxiety disorders, for "normal" anxiety, I find that hiking, photography, knitting/spinning/weaving (any sort of creative outlet where there is a physical product at the end), and driving into the mountains work to help me unwind. Sex always works, too, if you can get it. And of course massage and playing or listening to music.

    3. Re:27 years in IT and right on the nose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to get a job in the first place, if you are over 27 *years old*, in perfect health, and just got an advanced degree this year.

  16. Easy by Beerdood · · Score: 1, Funny

    Troll on slashdot. Great for relieving stress!

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    1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm salaried and never work overtime, even if I did, I would get time of in lieu.

  17. learn to deal with your stress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all have anxiety issues, its just how do you deal with them?
    I tend to inline skate, play guitar, work on the house, go for a walk, visit with friends & family, anything to get me away from an LCD screen.
    There's always that worry about my infrastructure grinding to a halt and the company suffering because of it, but it shouldnt control your life.
    It just depends on how you deal with the stress, if you choose to dwell on it (which most people i know tend to do) then you're destined to always have anxiety issues and be less productive.
    A happy worker is a productive worker, when your stressed it causes problems everywhere in life... Follow the KISS rule (Keep it simple... stupid) and life will follow with the work, less anxiety, more productivity, and less stress all around.

    1. Re:learn to deal with your stress by instagib · · Score: 1

      > anything to get me away from an LCD screen
      I agree. I use CRT monitors at home.

  18. Not really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I enjoy my job too much, and budgets are so low that if something eventually fails, I just replace it and they start from scratch. None of the data we keep really matters much except finances and we keep those backed up and tested. My contract also releases me from any potential legal action from the company since they declined to pay for much in the line of backups. I keep my systems as robust as possible considering my budget. We're also a mon-fri 830-1630 company and I drop my blackberry on the table when I walk in the door after work.

  19. Affects sleep hygiene too by HtR · · Score: 1
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    Have you tried turning it off and on again?
    1. Re:Affects sleep hygiene too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent +informative

  20. Look at other people's work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're any good, it should be easy to find examples how other people screw up a lot worse than yourself and don't get strung up by their balls for it. People make mistakes, perfectionism is unhealthy. You are not the hero who must, can and does save the day every day, or does your paycheck tell that story? Didn't think so. Relax.

    1. Re:Look at other people's work by SuurMyy · · Score: 1

      Good advice, but hard to follow after you've been laid off a couple of times even if you're very, very good.

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      The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
    2. Re:Look at other people's work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember when you go on an interview you are interviewing them too. LET THEM KNOW THAT. It shows you are interested in only the best. It makes them put on their best face and shows you are willing to work with them however they need to be willing to work with you too.

      This has kept me out of a few dozen 'this job sucks so much I want to die' jobs. Those jobs suck the life out of you and do not help your growth.

      Good questions to ask are 'I do not need to know exactly who or how much but when was your last big customer? Did they pay on time? Were they happy with the work? When was your last push and how long did it last? What was the one before that like?'

      If you take the first job that comes along then you may get good one. Or you may get a suck one...

      Unfortunatly you do not always have this sort of opportunity.

    3. Re:Look at other people's work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had an interview where I was honest with the interviewers. I got through the technical screen with no problems (a little disappointing, I was prepared for Google-style), and then for the rest of the conversation I took the tone and character not of a deferential potential employee, but of an investor. They didn't respond to this very well at all, and the rejection came quickly after and was short - I wouldn't be a good fit. I'm sure they were right. I want to get involved in their business and their location was perfect, but it would be irresponsible of me to go to work at a startup that is out of money and doesn't really have a plan to get into any sort of expanding market. I'm sure I'll have some regrets for the way I handled that interview if they actually make it... even though I *know* it's a matter of "those grapes weren't going to be all that sweet anyway", it would have been a much bigger risk for me to go there, than for them to hire me, and I let them know it. Definitely not a smart interview technique, or is it?

      I'm at a career level where a potential employer should be treating me like an investor, period.

  21. Of course by Rob+Kaper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course a crushing worry will introduce anxiety. In stressful times, people will be stressed. So I'm not sure what you're asking, other than idle chit-chat of anxiety anecdotes.

    Anyway, it's certainly not specific to IT. Guess who else deal with standby time: doctors, police, flight attendants, engineers and service crews in other fields (transportation, organised events, most restaurants and bars). Each of which having to deal with systems far less redundant and scalable than what we can set up in IT.

    1. Re:Of course by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Funny

      Each of which having to deal with systems far less redundant and scalable than what we can set up in IT.

      Try dealing with my girlfriend, for god's sake. Very unreliable, and I haven't even tried the scalability. I've tried to set her up redundant but she wouldn't have any of it.

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  22. Requires Experience by HtR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have found that handling the anxiety comes with experience. For example, I no longer care if the rest of the business comes to a screeching halt.

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    Have you tried turning it off and on again?
    1. Re:Requires Experience by Issarlk · · Score: 1

      same thing here. I don't fucking care if everything goes to hell. I try to do my job well, by experience I can say that the problems are coming from the higher ups who have no clue how to run their IT.

  23. Team by daveryan · · Score: 1

    This 'team' thing that managers keep banging on about. It swings both ways. If the manager can't be arsed to ensure that things keep going without any one person, then they've f*cked up. End of the day, the IT person doing a job, just does that job. It's the manager's job to ensure that someone else could step in, should something happen. So don't sweat it. If things collapse in a smoking heap just because you're absent, that's the manager's f*ck up, not yours. And no sane employment tribunal will see it any other way.

  24. Personally... by eldurbarn · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I was in that position, I would wake up each morning, go to the washroom and throw up into the toilet.

    Then things got worse and I landed in the cardiac care ward.

    While out on disability, they fired me.

    I'm now unemployed and the lack of stress is WONDERFUL!

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    1. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't miss working in the IT field one little bit.
      If it paid like it did prior to the H1-B visas and dot-com dunces flooded the market I would do it again.
      Low pay high stress, not worth it

    2. Re:Personally... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      When I was in that position, I would wake up each morning, go to the washroom and throw up into the toilet.

      Are you sure that had to do with job anxiety? Perhaps you should have hit a few AA meetings or something. Jägermeister for breakfast, lunch, and dinner takes its toll, dude.

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    3. Re:Personally... by magical+liopleurodon · · Score: 1

      Those assholes!! Can they do that? I'd sue the f*ckers

    4. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      i've been to the point of vomitting when i walked through the door at a past job. manager literally stressed and micromanaged me to the point of physical illness. and this was after having had been in the 82nd airborne from '89 to '97, going through a divorce, being unemployeed, you name it - the things most people refer to as "stressful events". sheer madness.

      i literally wanted to die and finally called the manager out on their actions in front of HR with one years worth of concise documentation, received an incerdibly nice severance (easily 3 times as much as i should have received versus my time with the company), and never the two shall meet again.

    5. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't know if you are kidding or not, but i also ended up in the cardiac ICU at my local university hospital on a friday afternoon. was back at work at 8 am on monday morning.

      IT can be a bitch.

    6. Re:Personally... by cuncator · · Score: 1

      If he lives in a wonderful "right to work" state here in the US like I do, you can be fired for just about any or no reason whatsoever. Racism and sexism potentially excluded of course, although can be difficult to prove. Outcome would probably depend on whether paying the legal fees to fight your case would cost more than just settling.

  25. The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by petes_PoV · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does the crushing worry of a businesses IT infrastructure... coming to a screeching halt make IT occupations prone to anxiety?"

    .. is to do it so things work.

    Things don't come "to a screeching halt" on their own. It requires talent to make the sorts of mistakes that aren't blindingly obvious and that remain hidden during the pre-prod testing (you *do* test before putting something live?). Having a resilient configuration, that is monitored properly and gives plenty of warning of a problem helps, too.

    So far, in 12 years looking after this current setup, I've never had an unscheduled call outside working hours. The problem with that is that it makes me look invisible. It's hard to convince "management" that the systems don't look after themselves and will throw novel and exotic problems if not looked after properly. But that's why we take vacations.

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    1. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by SuurMyy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can't do a proper job in all companies regardless of how good you are.

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      The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
    2. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I spend a lot of effort on making the systems self healing by having "meta systems" analyzing the errors and look at the real time telemetry from the systems. For some known bugs that cannot be fixed I have written logical apps that try to predict them and start evasive action beforehand.

      This is not your average Exchange install, though. This is satellite TT&C.

    3. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by phyrexianshaw.ca · · Score: 1

      exactly.

      if every business had an unlimited IT budget, (or hell, even a realistic IT budget!) things would be great.

      but in the real world: I'd guess that 95%+ businesses budget for a salary for the IT people, and that's MORE than it. (as if they expect us to come with our own equipment or something! :P)

    4. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by Spad · · Score: 1

      This (especially the bit about being too good - fake the occasional mail flow issue if you have to).

      Make sure hardware is under warranty with a test your backups and have a DR plan with SLAs for each system and agree it with your business so that people can't turn around in an emergency and demand that you fix *their* system right now because they suddenly decided it was important.

      If you're stressed about the bits of your job that are under your control then you're doing it wrong; if you're stressed about your job due to other factors outside your control, you've got a job.

    5. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Funny

      .. is to do it so things work.

      Unfortunately, there is always some "loose nut behind the keyboard." Nothing can be made foolproof, "because fools are so ingenious."

      Customer: "My computer don't work no more!"

      IT Guy: "Did you change anything?"

      Customer: "No, not at all!"

      IT Guy: "Well, it looks like someone bashed the display in with a hammer, poured Mountain Dew on the keyboard, poured gasoline on the motherboard, and lit it on fire."

      Customer: "It seemed to be acting slow, so I thought it might have had a virus . . ."

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    6. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well that lost a paragraph somewhere...

      This (especially the bit about being too good - fake the occasional mail flow issue if you have to).

      Make sure hardware is under warranty and your 3rd party software is supported with good SLAs in place. Set up server and systems monitoring so that you know when things are going wrong, rather than finding out when they have gone wrong. Hire competent staff to work with and under you that you can trust to set things up properly and fix them when they break. Never agree to support systems that you don't have the knowledge to fix within your team (unless they have reliable 3rd party support, see above).

      Above all, know your infrastructure inside out, take good backups, test your backups and have a DR plan with SLAs for each system and agree it with your business so that people can't turn around in an emergency and demand that you fix *their* system right now because they suddenly decided it was important.

      If you're stressed about the bits of your job that are under your control then you're doing it wrong; if you're stressed about your job due to other factors outside your control, you've got a job.

    7. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      For the most part, things don't "come to a screeching halt" on their own, but it certainly happens in some cases. Cooling system breaks, and servers start to cook themselves. Power to the building does something wacky, and a spike makes it to the servers. A pipe bursts and floods the data center. Some of these things aren't directly monitorable in a way that will give you any warning. Sure, you can do a lot to make a robust infrastructure, (And it shocks me how little of that some people will accept!) but there's always going to be something that can "just go wrong" at any time. You simply don't have the resources, time, or budget to monitor every possible pipe fitting, capacitor, and asteroid.

      So, having some concern over a possible kerplosion doesn't guarantee that appropriate measures haven't been taken. It just means it's very, very likely. It may also just mean that there isn't enough staff for most of the people to relax while somebody specific is on-call. (And they get a guarantee of the next holiday of.)

      There is also the problem of applications that the guys responsible for aren't actually responsible for. IT gets handed horrible, broken, unclusterable applications with only one license all the time. There are real limits to what you can do to make something like that resilient, despite not having the authority to replace or fix it.

    8. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      Well that lost a paragraph somewhere...

      What an opportune time for that.

    9. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      That's a very good point. I have a real simple philosophy: make sure that if things come to a screeching halt, it is not a result of something I have done. If someone else does something that causes things to come to a screeching halt, I'll fix it if I can, but it won't be my head on the line if I can't. I make sure I let my bosses know the extent of my abilities and their limits. I, also make sure they know when someone else is being given the authority to do something that might make the systems I am responsible for come to a screeching halt.

      --
      The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
    10. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly the problem with IT.

      Unless everything come to a screeching halt requiring some white-knight to come in with a bunch of undocumented knowledge to "fix" the problem, no one knows that there is an underlying system that was otherwise working at 99.99% (or whatever).

      It is critical to the internal-marketing-success of any IT project to schedule some unforeseen catastrophe which can be resolved by the 'awesome guys' that probably contributed to the problem in the fist place.

      Treat 'em mean ...

    11. Re:The best way to avoid all that anxiety ... by SLot · · Score: 1

      Someone should be fired!

  26. Easy by rikkards · · Score: 1

    Don't be salaried. Salary is for suckers. I work, they pay me. They think twice about calling me in as it costs them more money. On salary, any hour you work over 37.5 devalues how much you are really worth. If you want the security of having salary make sure they compensate you for any overtime.

  27. Work harder at work by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

    Build redundant systems on work time, such that only common faults are those that are unpredictable and unpreventable e.g. building catching on fire. When your systems are resilient to common faults, you don't have any anxiety about leaving them to look after them selves, and you know that if a common failure occurs, recovering is easy because you're prepared for it.

    "There's no excuse for predictable and preventable downtime (except laziness and incompetence)."

    --
    The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
    1. Re:Work harder at work by anti-NAT · · Score: 1

      And I should say, the approach to take is to be constantly eliminating the weakest link until the point where eliminating it is not feasible. You'll end up with the weakest link being very strong - availability is a weakest link type problem.

      --
      The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
    2. Re:Work harder at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah... that works if your business is willing to spend money to build redundant systems. It's cheaper for them to put you on-call 24/7 and yell at you when things break.

    3. Re:Work harder at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah... that works if your business is willing to spend money to build redundant systems. It's cheaper for them to put you on-call 24/7 and yell at you when things break.

      Sing it!

    4. Re:Work harder at work by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      Work harder, improve things, build redundancies, automate your job, etc...

      I'll tell you from experience exactly where that gets you:

      1) We don't know what you do, so we have to fire you;

      2) We *do* know what you do, so you can train a replacement then we have to fire you; or,

      3) You're irreplaceable, so we have to fire you.

      So here's my career advice: smile and tell stupid jokes, leave exactly at 5:00 to go straight to the gym, and be completely incompetent at everything. This will land you a management and/or sales position in no time, along with a nice raise.

      --
      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
    5. Re:Work harder at work by anti-NAT · · Score: 1
      "I'll tell you from experience exactly where that gets you:"

      None of those have happened to me. I in fact left a job last year where I'd done what I said should be done. and they've said I'd be welcome back if I was looking to.

      --
      The Internet's nature is peer to peer - 20050301_cs_profs.pdf
    6. Re:Work harder at work by benjamindees · · Score: 1

      Then you must not live in the US, glorious progenitor of the "rape-productive-employees-for-all-you-can-get-sell-your-stock-options-then-drive-your-company-into-the-ground-and-profit" brand of capitalism.

      --
      "I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
  28. Toughie by Cylix · · Score: 1

    This has been a really difficult post to formulate.

    I haven't really put much thought into why I don't particularly have a great deal of stress today. (That was not always true) In past places of employment my stresses were due to inexperience and lack of proper support and escalation paths. In those cases I was both the end of a very short escalation path and in lots of scenarios the technology was very new. I also wasn't compensated very well for the troubles until I decided that I should probably find someone who was willing to pay me better for my troubles.

    The stress then was the product of the environment and it wasn't a very good position for the company to be in as well. I did grow from the experience, but there was far too much risk for the savings achieved. I've since then moved onto a few companies who generally have their act together. I've made it a point to ask about their escalation and support practices from vendors and integrators. My past experiences generate a bit of a paranoia today and I believe some may refer to that as wisdom. (I call it emotional scarring ;) )

    That is really only part of the story when you really think about it. There are many avenues for stress to invade our lives. As some pointed out there could be ridiculous deadlines involved or in other cases poor time management skills. Life is not always about how others punish us, but how we cause distress upon ourselves with our own practices.

    In every way, it is important to identify what is causing the anxiety and determine if it can be fixed. If your group or company wants to operate in a fashion that is dangerous for its profits or reputation then it is up to management to decide to stay or sway from the path. In all cases, you can vote with your feet and even if it takes time to change positions there is generally always an out.

    At least at my current place of employment we state clearly that people will make mistakes. It's part of the way we operate because we are just too damned last minute. Directors do not like to hear such things, but if they would like to curb issues they could force better planning practices. (Which we kinda did to an extreme sadly... careful what you wish for).

    This and many more things contribute to me operating relatively stress free. I have however built up a good chunk of skills and experience which let me operate with as little stress as possible. Mostly today I'm annoyed at the evening calls that happen outside of my oncall period and that is more of an an anger issue.

    --
    "You should always go to other people's funerals; otherwise, they won't come to yours." -- Yogi Berra
  29. Beer by Logic+Worshipper · · Score: 1

    I drink beer. Sometimes just one in the evening, sometimes I go out and get drunk. Going out with friends is great too.

  30. Mambi pambi land..... by TimeOut42 · · Score: 1

    "... Maybe we should chug on over to Mambi Pambi land where may be can find some self confidence for you, ya jackwagon .... tissue?"

    If it's that bad then become a greeter at Walmart and then you don't need to concern yourself with the IT Infrastructure. But, if you like the paycheck and the fact that you might doing something really cool then go outside, workout, read, get a hobby, drink heavily, whatever to let those feelings turn toward something constructive. But to complain about a high-stress job in a highly technical field to other high-tech inclined people is just plain silly.

    1. Re:Mambi pambi land..... by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Really?

      I have no stress in my job at all. I'm an Electrical Engineer. I work on billion-dollar pieces of life-critical equipment with tight deadlines, zero tolerance for error, and 20-30 year reliability requirements.

      I just don't stress about it, I don't come in on overtime unless I'm paid for it, and I enjoy my work. Some people think that you have to be stressed out ("it's part of the field") but that's just a way to move into a small below-ground apartment ahead of schedule.

      --

      ---
      ECHELON is a government program to find words like bomb, jihad, plutonium, assassinate, and anarchy.
  31. All the usuals + Meditation by cplusplus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've gotten a lot more disciplined in my exercise schedule, and have always eaten good foods, but I've started going to weekly mediation and have been going for about a year now. The exercise just helps me feel good (hooked on endorphins!), but meditation helps bring awareness and focus and has given me the ability to slow down and pause during the day, let my thoughts all line up, and then focus on one at a time. Having the ability to focus on one thing at a time is nice.

    --
    "False hope is why we'll never run out of natural resources!" - Lewis Black
    1. Re:All the usuals + Meditation by SuurMyy · · Score: 1

      The problem for me is that when I'm stressed out I can't make myself meditate. I just completely don't feel like it. However, I micro-sleep, instead. And it start very quickly when something stops me, like a meeting.

      --
      The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne
    2. Re:All the usuals + Meditation by b0ttle · · Score: 2

      Meditation is the key to self-control and well being. Since I started doing it everyday, my life has improved 100%. It helps you to react a lot better to the frequent changes of life.

      I think everyone should practice it. They should teach it in schools.

    3. Re:All the usuals + Meditation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you mean by micro-sleep what I think you mean you need more sleep during nights. "Power napping" is a more common expression, perhaps, for a 20-minutes of sleep during the day.

  32. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meditation

  33. Salary Increase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm salaried and for the last two years I've not received a salary increase from my employer. So I decided to give myself a salary increase by working less hours. Now I'm making more per hour.

    1. Re:Salary Increase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I simply refuse to do charity work for the share holders.

  34. Chicken and Egg by six025 · · Score: 1

    While certain environments may contribute to overall levels of anxiety and stress if not properly managed, it is the "anxiety" that makes us geeks so obsessive about a given task. How we manage the anxiety and how we let it affect our well being is part of what separates those who are successful at their work from the average. Success in this context is not meant in financial terms, but the ability to get things done in a timely manner, on spec, and with a high degree of satisfaction regarding the finished product.

    Also it has been a long running joke with certain colleagues of mine that programmers in particular are prone to having, at least to a small degree, autistic tendencies. Without a singularly focussed mind it would be very difficult or impossible to complete certain development or IT related tasks.

    Of course there are always exceptions but these are some personal observations arising from 20 years of working in development, or development related environments.

    Peace,
    Andy.

  35. Stressed about what? by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

    My equipment can run for a few days without me being there to monitor every little transaction. In 5 years with my current company, I've been required to deal with IT stuff after hours twice. All other after-hours work has been scheduled and I shifted my time by coming in late or leaving early. That's averaging about once per year. So my stress levels are low.

  36. Indifference by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Obviously your going to feel the stress but the common factor for keeping your cool, at least to me, is indifference. Yes there is a pressing deadline, penalty clauses and blah blah blah but you can't do anything about those factors so you may as well do your best to view them as a distraction from the goal. If you are a tech, it's not your job to feel stress because ultimately that reduces your effectiveness.

    Organising your work in certain ways gives you better control which reduces stress. No major changes on Fridays - ever, if you do be prepared to write off your weekend. Also it depends on the team you work with. If they are assholes then the stress levels are going to be higher, if you have passive aggressive types that dig their heals in or the frantic type that create stress or can't handle stress then you have to develop other strategies.

    I personally experience stress more from the way people behave rather than from pressing technology task. Ultimately stress is induced as an outside influence usually not in your control. You have to be able to step back from it, figure out what you can control (usually your own reaction to the circumstance) and exert that control to remain effective.

    --
    My ism, it's full of beliefs.
  37. FDQED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    too much food, drugs, and (hopefully) a quick and early death.

    thanks for asking.

  38. Ask your doctor how he does it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many doctors are on call for most of the time, carrying a pager, or having given out personal phone numbers to certain patients they worry about, etc.
    Ask your doctor how he or she manages the stress and anxiety stemming from this. They should be able to give you some good advice because (a) they have first hand experience and (b) they know how the human body and psyche works. If they recommend you become a chain smoker go to another doctor next time. :-P

  39. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually i think my stress levels went DOWN after working in server room/data centers.

    the way technology is these days, tight integration with monitoring solutions, fail over, redundancy, smart phone accss, and all those other fancy techie buzz words we got now.

    Everything feels more under control and much easier to keep watch on. Our job feels easier when we know we have immediate solutions to (most) critical problems.

  40. No, I don't by Kocureq · · Score: 1

    I don't stress about work after work. The thing is: the right organisation. You have people you can rely on, that will do the job when you're not there. And yes - that means someone available under the phone 24x7. Sometimes it's me, but usually not - it's a shift. So - work hard when you work, don't think about it when you're not working :)

  41. Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest moving to Canada, joining a union, and working an hourly rate plus overtime. Works quite nicely. :)

  42. Too many IT stereotypes! by adosch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't think IT is any more stressful than any other attention-filled, high demand position in the work field, I think what makes it stressful and piles on the anxiety is what everyone else in the world has to deal with any job: co-worker cooperation (or lack-there-of), difficult boss, tight deadlines, piss-poor-planning, busy streaks in industry or retail, demanding work performance, stupid end-users/consumers, ect. I could go on forever.

    Almost every position I've applied for has asked "How do you deal with stress?" because it's something that comes along with any job, not just IT. If you don't have a particular outlet (e.g. break time to take a walk, co-worker to vent to, shruggable conscious, squeeze ball with your co-worker's face on it), then you better get one.

    But let's face it, a lot of anxiety and stress can be self-inflicted, too. I've been a Systems Administrator by day profession for quite some time now and I couldn't think of a more fluid position to have to constantly get used to. Every year, I see ton's of "new guys" come in and can't handle it because they are cocky, their resume doesn't match their skillset (e.g. LIED) or just don't have common sense. If you know your job, do it well, can multi-task and prioritize without having someone hold your hand, everything else will fall into place.

    1. Re:Too many IT stereotypes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear! Hear! I'll extend your list a little - multiple bosses .. when you're faced with multiple reporting lines, or splitting your time among projects that require extended periods of focused time and multiple demanding users/developers who think that their "quick question" won't interrupt your day, and then throw in multiple meetings because people want to know the status of their project or just try to bitch and increase the priority of their work... Being able to say "No, go away, I'm busy" becomes very important and a little satisfying.

      I recently found myself, due to changes in company structure, quite suddenly drowning, and decided that there were limited ways to deal with it, but there were indeed ways. I had to overcome the initial shock and physical stress symptoms, but I knew that sucking my thumb in a corner wasn't an effective strategy to overcome it, however appealing it may appear at the time.

      Quitting is an option for me because I enjoy and am successful in the contracting industry, even if this current position isn't a contract. I may still do this for other reasons, but over unnecessary stress isn't justified.

      Another option is to stop caring .. it's a method that a couple of my workmates employ, and it works reasonably well for them. This is quite justified if the demands are completely unreasonable and people aren't willing to accept reality, but then quitting for a saner job is also a valid option in such a case.

      In my case, most people who I work with aren't unreasonable people, and they understand the situation, and steps are being made in the right direction to improve it. I just had to start saying "No, go away" to the few people who choose to ignore reality and try to get blood out of a stone. And in one case, I had to ask for support from my and their management in dealing with a problem child. It sucks to have to do that, but some people lack the social-intelligence.

      A few weeks on, and I'm now in a much better position. The team's still stretched incredibly thin, but it's now manageable for me. I do expect we'll lose one or two people from the team regardless, partly because of this, but partly because the market's improving and better-paid opportunities abound for good people.

  43. If it wasn't for the last minute by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

    I'd never get anything done

    --
    There are places where the networks are not touching,and there are places where they are-Boeing's Lori Gunter
  44. Xanax baby!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xanax is the key. Bren taking it for years and it is the best drug ever invented. It absolutely crushes anxiety. You simply don't feel it anymore.

  45. 5-HTP works by Anonymous+Showered · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I work seven days a week, where I manage about 150+ desktops out in the field, over 150+ email accounts and several dozen mobile phones. I am also hosting high traffic websites. This may not sound like much to many people out there, but I am constantly under pressure and yes, anxiety does kick in.

    Even though I work out 3 times a week (strength training) I am still under stress. My social life is a train wreck, where I rather stay in a veg out on the weekends. Mind you, I have friends and plenty of relationships with the opposite sex, but lately it's just too much for me to handle. I come home and the last thing I want to do is talk to another human being.

    One thing that helps is 5-HTP. I pop 100mg in the morning and the rest of the day goes by with little worry. Sometimes, I combine it with a bit of melatonin to have a nice deep sleep (with very vivid dreams). I wake up feeling a bit more refreshed, leading to a better day.

    1. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks a lot for this info. I've been needing something like this. Just researched it a bit and it seems that it works. I don't work in IT but I deal with similar stress and anxiety in Media.

      I appreciate you sharing this info. I guess I'll be heading to GNC tomorrow :)

    2. Re:5-HTP works by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Try more magnesium, too. (mag citrate)

    3. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to get 5-HTP too, but I was diagnosed with hypertension and the doctor said I should stop taking it...

      In recent years I've been doing well but eventual issues with the HTN arise... even when I do my best to stay calm.

      A visit to the table dance calms me on those difficult days, so I recommend it... :P just do not drink too much.

    4. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you man. Good luck. I used to go to the table dance and lap dance when in grad school to calm me down. It worked but about an hour and $200 later it hurt the pocket too :)

      As I said I research 5-HTP and it does cause hypertension in some people, which is why I might do some research on this magnesium, and start with that.

      If prostitution and weed was legal in New York I would be so fucking calm, however I have to deal somehow. Must augment my chemistry to handle those pesky humans all over the place.

      As the OP poster said I come home and can't deal with human beings as well, so my social life is a disaster as well. It's a shame that this really all stems from management responsibilities and a boss that keeps pushing and pushing. Reminds me of that Tool song. All work and no play makes you a dull boy, should have listened to that Sunday virus awhile back.

    5. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i hear you... im currently looking after 700+ desktops, and about 25 servers at 5 differnt client sites... yes I am stressed. I think the real issue is IT is the orphaned child when it comes to bussiness planning and expenditure. Can you imagine an oceanliner(s) which is only run by one person??? no it doesnt happen. The other issue is there are two things we seem to be doing... 1. fixing broken stuff 2. implementing new stuff. The fact is that because staff mostly have zero to nadda understanding of IT they just expect everything to work, and for stuff to be implemented in a few minutes.. no real concept of how hard things are. I would guess that its the same for doctors, however they are MUCH better paid, and have a much higher respect for thier field.

    6. Re:5-HTP works by Corbets · · Score: 1

      I work seven days a week [....] Mind you, I have friends and plenty of relationships with the opposite sex, but lately it's just too much for me to handle. I come home and the last thing I want to do is talk to another human being.

      Are you sure you know what these "friends" and "relationships" really are? At 7 days a week, if that's not just a one-off, you're not doing much of either.

    7. Re:5-HTP works by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      Watch that 5 HTP stuff! A little goes a long way, but a little more can kill you. Seriously! Read up on it - if you take even just a little too much, it can quickly turn toxic and you suddenly die.

      So please, for the love of God, read up on it, and be careful to never, ever take too much!

      And I say this because my wife is blessed with a tendency for anxiety attacks and 5 HTP works wonders for her. Just read the label, OK?

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
    8. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous+Showered · · Score: 1

      I've heard of some reports on 5-HTP causing cystic fibrosis. I don't take it everyday (I should have clarified). I take it about once a week on a day I know is going to be hell.

      Thanks for the heads up.

    9. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous+Showered · · Score: 1

      Well, you're right. One thing that's adding fuel to the fire is whether my friends and relationships (which I am currently lacking) is even meaningful with my schedule. I do have a few close friends, however, that I know is solid when it comes to connection.

    10. Re:5-HTP works by Anonymous+Showered · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The real issue here are the clients. Mine are a special bunch...

  46. Look for a new job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I once worked at a place where I was the only IT person, on call 24/7. When I took vacation I had to take it at home encase something happened, not that anything would. I was let go from that job due to bad accounting and I was the only person not doing billable work. Got a job at a major university doing tech support for a department, they don't even want to bother me with anything after 4 PM, let alone weekends, holidays, or vacations.

  47. You're not Itesus by bAdministrator · · Score: 1

    It's business, you're not supposed to care, but people won't stop you from feeling guilty.
    Nobody cares about you getting stressed or losing sleep over some unsolved problem.
    If they can make you feel bad without even trying, then they're not going to stop; it's working to their advantage.

    You're there because they don't know the quirks of the "let's just ship it" piece of shit software we have to make work or troubleshoot at times.

    Also, if they can't afford to pay what it costs to have an IT person, then why give them the advantage over other businesses by working for a substantially lower pay?

    Of course, unless you're living at home with your parents, you can't really be that choosey.
    That's also the fundamental flaw that keeps certain shitty businesses alive.

  48. Set realistic expectations by laughingcoyote · · Score: 1

    Being able to be frank with, and set realistic expectations for, those you work with and for is crucial.

    If your boss wants you to do something on an impossible timeline, tell them you can't. If you've got too much on your plate already, give your boss a list of your current projects, and ask him which one should be de-prioritized to push in the latest "emergency". He may suddenly find it's not so urgent after all, and if it's so important something else does need to be pushed back, it now wasn't your idea.

    If you go on vacation, make it clear that you may not be immediately (or at all) able to respond to phone calls or email due to where you're going. Again, put it on your boss—ask who he'd like you to cross train in emergency procedures for your area while you're away, and make sure he knows who your vendor contacts are for troubleshooting. Granted, this should be done well before you go on vacation anyway, but all too often it's not.

    If your boss is the type to, at this point, stick his fingers in his ears and yell "LALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU", it's time to either have a talk with your boss's boss, or polish up your resume. They're not all like this. Most bosses I've worked for are quite reasonable when you're willing to communicate with and listen to them.

    --
    To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
  49. endangered species by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    things have gotten pretty reliable. which is good. on the other hand the slow but deliberate drift to software as cloud based service is automating what used to be jobs. stay sedated.

  50. I quit. by Skorpion · · Score: 1

    I just quit, after 10+ years in IT. I now do some consulting work, but mainly write technology stuff for a news site, and nobody calls me at three in the morning because a vowel crashed and won't rejoin the rest of the word cluster after the reboot, and the whole site won't load further in the browser. FSM, I really hated the RHCM stuff.

    I miss the money, a little, but definitely not the stress, nor the anxiety.

    Also, when at a party someone asks "what do you do for a living" answering "I'm a journalist" results in much more positive reactions (also, from the females of the species), than when I answered "I'm a senior sysadmin at [company]". And I can point a finger to the screen and say "I wrote this!", which was not possible in the case of Puppet deployment which took most of the year (along with day to day wrangling with operations stuff and RHCM lossage).

    So, there is life after "Microserfs", after all.

  51. Suck it up, Princess by Kittenman · · Score: 1

    And bank the cheques.

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    "The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
  52. C.Y.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just Cover Your As... Actions and don't worry about it - if your company doesn't care about you enough to let you spend money for redundant, highly available infrastructure, you shouldn't care enough to lose sleep over it. Tell whoever you need to tell that this is what the risk is, and that's what it would take to eliminate that risk... and if they chose to accept the risk instead, it will be them, not you who will need to do the post-mortem for the next outage. You'll still get chewed out, but they won't be able to fire you, since you covered your a...ctions.

  53. control! by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

    The stressful thing about system admin work is the constant worrying. Will a hard drive crash today? Or a power supply catch on fire and wipe out an entire rack? Will the developers introduce a bug that takes down the web site, or wipes the database, or pegs all the CPUs on all the computers so that no other services can function? Can you upgrade to new hardware without major disruptions, and hordes of angry people hammering on you to get everything working again, ASAP? If a problem with some proprietary software happens, can it be fixed without having to wait on the vendor's pleasure? What about viruses? Or an audit for security or software licenses?

    When you have ready answers to these problems, it's way less stressful. Need means and procedures to build from scratch, rollback to old versions, backup data regularly, and do partial or total recovery. And want the ability to be flexible. Have spare capacity ready to go to handle whatever whiz bang extras management wants to add this week. If you don't have such plans, you're just operating by the seat of your pants. Very stressful being forced to hope nothing bad happens, all because you're so busy stamping out fires that you don't have time or resources to get control of the situation. If you can't get on top of things, if the environment is too crazy, then do your health a favor and seek employment elsewhere.

    Exercise doesn't do anything for me if I have potential disasters hanging over my head. If it is possible, get control first. Then exercise.

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  54. Salaried? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn the laws, dude. In the US programmers and analysts are exempt. Network/Systems/Database admins aren't. You are entitled to overtime.

    I strongly suggest you lawyer up and demand just wages.

  55. Mod parent way up! by khasim · · Score: 1

    Have you ever worked with/for someone who just sat on projects until they went critical?

    That's an adrenaline junkie.

    If there's not a crisis, they cannot function. They procrastinate and waffle and keep delaying until it's an emergency.

    Then they get the rush they want AND they cannot be blamed for the decisions they made during the crisis.

  56. Get beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i just drink beer. Keeps the stress away.

  57. Prozac by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  58. More Magnesium by greg_barton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you suffer from anxiety (and even if you don't) I suggest you take a magnesium supplement, preferably magnesium citrate or magnesium ororate. Magnesium helps you relax.

    1. Re:More Magnesium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially setting it on fire. Mwahaha.

    2. Re:More Magnesium by seigniory · · Score: 1

      If you suffer from anxiety (and even if you don't) I suggest you take a magnesium supplement, preferably magnesium citrate or magnesium ororate. Magnesium helps you relax.

      +1 HILARIOUS

    3. Re:More Magnesium by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Por que?

    4. Re:More Magnesium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      L-theanine. Basically the anti-anxiety stuff in green tea, in quantity. Good stuff, haven't noticed -any- side effects at all, not even feeling sleepy.

    5. Re:More Magnesium by asackett · · Score: 1

      Magnesium acetate works much, much better (because it's more bioavailable) and doesn't loosen the bowels (because it's absorbed in the gut so doesn't get that far). You have to make your own to get it, though. Three parts apple cider vinegar to one part milk of magnesia, adding the MoM to the vinegar so it all dissolves. Mix a tablespoon or a tad more of this in a liter or so of water, and drink it throughout the day.

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    6. Re:More Magnesium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If you suffer from anxiety (and even if you don't) I suggest you take a magnesium supplement, preferably magnesium citrate or magnesium ororate. Magnesium helps you relax.

      Go, placebo, go!

    7. Re:More Magnesium by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      Placebo is the opiate of the weak minded skeptic.

  59. I use... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a nicotine vaporizer from www.puresmoker.com
    I'm able to do this inside at my desk without interfering with others. it honestly helps with the stress. i've gotten a couple of network engineers to buy them too.

  60. Relax.. Take a deep breath.. by Steeltoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are spot on. You cannot "think" yourself out of stress. Often, it has the opposite effect. But exerting yourself into some physical activity, can be a tremendous stress-reliever.

    I've also discovered breathing techniques and yoga to be very helpful to relieve both stress and delusions about one's place in this universe, also on how important one really is ;-) Where mere physical activity can relieve your stress there and then, yoga and its knowledge, can relieve you of all kinds of fears and tensions, or help accept whatever comes, which is more important often than trying to "get rid of the bad feelings" - they tend only to get more stuck that way!

    Some people become wise after a long life, but there are ways to speed up the process, if you're smart, and lucky ;)

    1. Re:Relax.. Take a deep breath.. by MoogMan · · Score: 1

      The challenge vs skill image at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi sums this up I think - Anxiety happens because you're not in control (either you've not organised your thoughts/tasks as well as you need, or you haven't yet enough skill to be able to counteract it).

      Exercise will help, but it won't get rid of the underlying reason for your anxiety. Find out what it is then determine how you can fix it.

      The business will go on if you're not around for a day/week/month. Know this and stop holding everything on your own shoulders. Stop thinking about work out of work (turn your phone off when you're not in work (and not 'on call')) and enjoy life more.

    2. Re:Relax.. Take a deep breath.. by r7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You cannot "think" yourself out of stress

      It's true you can't "think" yourself out of stress but you can meditate on your stress, its effect on your body and your thinking, and come to terms with it in that way. Meditation does not involve thinking i.e., internal dialog, but it does involve taking the time to sit quietly for a half hour or more and just focusing on what exactly the"stress" is. That's the only way to achieve real understanding of it, to come to terms with it, to live with it, and to mitigate its negative effects. It's the same for other types of pain.

      If, like most people, you deal with stress by trying not to think about it, by staying busy, by drinking, taking drugs, watching TV, even by exercising (alone) you'll still suffer from it.

      If you want to see what meditation is about download a few lectures from audiodharma (to your smartphone or PC) and listen to them while commuting or before bed.

      Meditation techniques are even taught in hospitals in the US thanks to unequivocal research showing its beneficial effects. See also books/audiobooks by Jack Kornfield, Lama Surya Das, the Dalai Lama, or Alan Watts among many.

    3. Re:Relax.. Take a deep breath.. by Steeltoe · · Score: 1

      Yes, meditation is really a part of yoga, but if you are able to just meditate, in a well-established practice, that's great!

      For many though, there is so much restlessness in body and mind, yoga, exercise and other stress-relievers can get you ready to really be able to meditate.

      The goal is not to be stress-free however, and it is suggested you should be working normally and interacting with other people as well.

      There are many who "meditate" though, but are not really doing it correctly, or missing progress, for lack of a better word, or just stuck with a misconception and lack input to clear them up.

      Therefore it is suggested by all great teachers to find a teacher you're comfortable with, and stick to their teachings for a longer time (years not months).

      However, by then, it has in many cases become a lifestyle, and not for "everybody", because everybody has their own individual needs and challenges. However, it is very much worthwhile when it happens, and deeply satisfying. After some years, it may be time to part with that teacher, and not become too stuck with a particular teaching.

      Point is, there is more we can learn about life than just what we can study in books, learn in school or just by living. Some of my greatest moments have been experienced learning and teaching yoga, but I guess can be had in many martial arts such as tai chi, qui gong, meditation, buddhism, rites, etc., as well.

      My stance is that these things can help, but you shouldn't become stuck in them like a religion, yuck ;)

  61. Not in today's market by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    In today's job market, most people really can't afford to quit. You do that, and you'll be unemployed for a LONG time. Then the bills will pile up and you'll find that even the worst job is better than starving and living on the street.

    1. Re:Not in today's market by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The market is bad, yes, but paradoxically not bad for the already employed. I switched jobs in August.

    2. Re:Not in today's market by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It's always like that, if you are already attractive enough for another employer then you appear more attractive for a new employer. I've heard the same is true of girlfriends, only with more complicated transitions ;)

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  62. going extinct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Things have gotten pretty reliable over the years. Good for nerves. On the other hand the slow but deliberate drift towards cloud computing is automating thousands of what used to be jobs. Stay sedated!

  63. They're not looking by goldcd · · Score: 1

    they're just blinking

    But there's a pattern in their blinking..maybe
    Morse Code? Just need to stare a little bit longer to make it out.

    *stares*
    "I..
    "ICAN..
    "ICANCU"

    Oh, maybe you were right.

  64. Get backup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to have that problem with nerves, but there is an easy solution: get backup. Not a data backup, I mean a person to cover for you. Find someone else who can do your job and make sure they're covering the bases while you're away. Then turn off your phone. Don't check work e-mail. Most IT don't unplug and I think that's what makes us burn out. It's important to be able to step back to just stop working, stop being on the clock.

  65. Look you could but.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look you could get all anxiety ridden, but as yvan pointed out you need to give a cr*p really. Look the chances are that your boss will either a) give you enough money to build systems that are fairly rock solid and reliable, which one you have then invested in you can sit back and keep running b) be a complete d*ck and want you to proved banking class systems for the cost of a couple of wallmart pc's. I'm going for the later frankly, and if thats the case, even if you do manage to provide rock solid reliability, chances are he's going to fire you for some random reason anyway. So why bother getting stressed about it.

  66. Not unique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First off, IT administrators are not unique in having a high frequency of anxiety (as a medical problem, not the normal emotional experience) related health problems. Most high-pay white collar professionals have large degree of pressure and stress in the careers (lawyers, doctors, engineers, etc.) where the consequences to mistakes or failure in the jobs affects other people's lives, often literally.

    IT may be the most unsuspecting professionals, as their professional education is less defined (typically no government certification that requires post-graduate education), and unlike medicine, where medical doctors are put through an incredibly stressful process known as residence (not sure how universal that is), with trains students to expect and prepare to be your profession 24 hours a day, literally, and that you never really get to "turn off" your moral or ethical responsibility. Engineers typically have heavy course loads, which in part, helps to prepare them for their professional work load, they many if not all have mandatory classes on professional ethics, as their work can place them as being under great pressure to bend or break rules / laws for economic / strategic benefit. In my opinion, it is a disservice to new IT professionals to not be forced to partake in similar preparation. Too many large IT projects fail because of the naivety and lack of explicit legal obligation to be held responsible for ethical lapse in the realm of expertise.

    As most IT professionals are not unionize employees, and thus typically individually negotiate their contract of employment, they needs to learn about labour laws, learn about real physical limitations, and give up the myths of folk hero hackers who have inhuman strength to not need sleep or rest (two different concepts) and work-life balance to be both a healthy human being (physical, mentally, emotionally), and in the long run, a productive member of the company and society, rather than a burnt-out husk of people at 37 with high blood pressure, overweight, at risk for diabetes, major depressive disorder, social or general anxiety disorder, and heart attack or stroke.

    Anxiety disorders are both manageable and treatable, and individual cases will present differently, so be careful of anecdotal "evidence" or diagnosis, although anyone with a serve case should immediately seek professional medical assistance, before potentially developing complications (as noted above) and at risk of suicide. Treatments and techniques vary, so I won't make any suggestions other than to note that self-help and medication are two effective (for some) treatments that are not the only effective treatments.

    In larger employers Human Resource (HR) departments and Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) have increasingly identified the importance of work-life balance, which includes not being on-call 24/7 constantly. In it humanly impossible to be constantly (available to) do your job correctly and effectively around the clock on an ongoing basis. Any manager who doesn't realize or acknowledge that is dangerous to your personal and professional well-being. In other words, they are willing to sell your soul for their gain.

    In a tiny outfit where is not a lot of duplication of staff (i.e. you are the only IT person in the company) is harder, but then typically if that is the case, then their expectations need to match their situation. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Sometimes involving either HR or your manager's boss improves the expectations of your manager.

    Often during serious failures and small scale disasters there is a cascading effect which extends the "emergency" situation over several days. Having been on-call for my share of IT disasters, it is simply taxing, and impossible to continue to do in an on-going basis.

    My take on it is purely on economics:Since I assume you are not paid a salary based on a rate of say, $50 / hour, 24 hours, 7 days a week, then you need to point out that you are not employed outside of regular work hour

  67. Have kids by syousef · · Score: 1

    Your job related worries will pale into comparison. Stress will take on new meaning. Of course while they're infants you'll age 10 years in 2. And that's assuming you have a supportive partner.

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    These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
    1. Re:Have kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The systems I take care of are my substitute kids. They require nurture, love, understanding, upgrades, firm resolve and eventually, they leave the nest for re-manufacturing, recycling or destitution in the form of software packages in a storage, gathering dust.

  68. Nope by JustDisGuy · · Score: 1

    Couldn't really give a fuck if the whole shebang crashes like the Hindenburg. I've done my bit to see that it doesn't as best as I am able and as well as I've been resourced, and if it crashes I'll go fix it. I'll be fucked if I'm going to spend even a minute *worrying* about it crashing. After all, it's not a matter of *if* so much as *when*, and that's what I like to refer to as job security.

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    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Hanlon's Razor
  69. IT CALL CENTER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT in a specific company is one thing; even an IT shop is still a bit limited. What about working in an IT CALL CENTER where calls come in from all over the country? You are not measured on your ability, your are measured on YOUR STATISTICS !! And they're bringing in newbies all the time to replace the ones that burn out or otherwise don't keep within the specified statistical parameters . They tell you that they want you to help the customer, , . .but if you take too long because the customer is not understanding, or whatever, you are out of here!!! That's full of anxiety!

  70. I had the same thing happen to me. by bigdogpete · · Score: 1

    I had the same thing happen to me. Shortly after my daughter was born, between work and the baby it was months of hell. I am still recovering but it takes 4 times as long to recover from anxiety. I was having panic attacks and thought I may be dying. Just get checked out by your doc. That way you have the reassurance that nothing is wrong, not knowing will contribute to the anxiety. Then I found the best medicine is to get out of the house and go have fun. Your doc may also be able to prescribe some pills for the really hard days. Just be assured that you are not the only one with IT anxiety and try to find some way to relax. Your mind has associated work as danger and you need to reprogram your mind to think otherwise.

  71. Not anymore by mrsmiggs · · Score: 1

    I'm reasonably competent at my job and managed to persuade the managers at the company that they liked their infrastructure to be on. I used to get stressed when there was an electrical storm, the infrastructure I inherited couldn't cope with a power outage, blip or heat wave. Now we've put all the necessary in place I can sleep soundly and I can leave it unattended apart from backups for a couple of weeks, safe in the knowledge there's another guy an hour away who know's how to sort it out if someone drives into the Aircon unit or there's a complete power blackout.

    Perhaps when you've been in a situation where the fundamentals are just not there it's puts the rest of it into perspective.

  72. Care less by Cloud+K · · Score: 1

    Striving for perfection is good; stressing because of a lack of perfection is bad. Pobody's nerfect.

    Your employers won't hate you for it, as you're more useful to them there with a balanced perspective than off sick with stress (or there marching around biting heads off)

    If a system goes down does it actually matter that much? Sure in something like Air Traffic Control it might (so you'd pester them every HOUR to spend money on backup systems, other preventative means and additional staff - or quit) but in most cases the worst that can happen is the Sales bods get a bit embarrassed because their CRM system is down or whatever. If it happens frequently and damages the company's reputation then sure, you're doing something wrong. If it's just a possibility though then these things happen. If you've done your best and documented as much of you doing your best as you can (CYA) then there's no point getting worked up about it.

    Healthy concern is fine as it helps you to keep up with prevention. But any more than that, ask yourself what worrying about it too much will actually *achieve* apart from damage to your own sanity (a company resource, in a way). In all likelihood: nothing. So don't! Take comfort in doing the best of your ability and accept that shit happens.

  73. Fight Club!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After a night at fight club, everything in the real world gets the volume turned down. Nothing can piss you off, your word is law, and if other people break the law or question you, even that doesn't piss you off.

  74. Nature of IT by greenThing · · Score: 1

    If you've been a sysadmin for any number of years, you know that the nature of the gig is thankless. Everything goes well, you hear a peep out of no one. As soon as something goes wrong, it's an immediate emergency for you. The holiday season in the US is our busy time, so needless to say everyone is on edge. This past week has been the week of everyone suddenly remembering everything they needed done before the Black Friday/Cyber Monday rush. My typical response: Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part. You're in the queue, we'll get to it when we can. Stack on top of this moving from one data center to two brand new facilities in the past 4 months (plus a third going online in January), my stress level and lack of free time has been maxed.

    So this weekend starts my self-imposed stress reduction. That includes, getting back into the gym 3-5x weekly, eating better, and regular trips to the shooting range. Stress relief in the form of a .40 pistol and 12 gauge shotgun are quite effective. :)

  75. Try this: Vitamin D by mrroot · · Score: 1

    Get checked for a Vitamin D deficiency. Your doctor can do that with a blood test. If your doctor doesn't think it is worth doing this test, find another doctor.

    Most people who work in an office all day have low Vitamin D and will benefit from taking a supplement. You don't need a prescription for it (at least not in the US) so you can just walk in and pick it up in the vitamin aisle at the grocery or wherever. Get the ones that are liquid gels as I have heard they are better. I take a Vitamin D supplement twice a day and have noticed vast improvements in feeling more healthy (in general) and being less prone to anxiety and depression (I used to be).

    I don't know for sure if all of this is due to taking Vitamin D, but I believe it to be. It is such an easy thing to try and low risk (ask your doctor about it), so why not try it?

    And if all of that doesn't work then find another job. Seriously, your time is too important to spend it being miserable.

    Good luck.

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  76. Anxiety and IT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a company that does well over $1B in business. Working at the level I am at is both stressful and rewarding (the pay can be great). However, because I am very good (certified in several flavors of Unix) I am called frequently. You must be willing to accept the stress and have a very understandable partner who knows how much the job takes out of you. My wife, rest her soul (passed away recently) understood that and supported me and understood the costs my job takes out of me. The support structure has to be in place if you decide to get to that level.

  77. Coincidentally, I disagree with the facts too! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    "I disagree. I regard myself as a low stress person and I ride a bike to work, That may be a correlation but I don't think its causative."

    If only there were some way to determine if it were true without using a single anecdotal example to show that one can fit the words "correlation" and "causation" into a single sentence. You know, some kind of scientific discipline involving physiology and anatomy, where they could indeed show that exercise helps reduce overall stress levels. Alas, there is of course no such field of study of which we are aware.

    Another thing someone might determine is that meditation and Yoga help greatly, but again, we cannot prove it since correlation doesn't necessarily indicate causation :-(

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    1. Re:Coincidentally, I disagree with the facts too! by Auroch · · Score: 1

      If only there were some way to determine if it were true without using a single anecdotal example to show that one can fit the words "correlation" and "causation" into a single sentence. You know, some kind of scientific discipline involving physiology and anatomy, where they could indeed show that exercise helps reduce overall stress levels. Alas, there is of course no such field of study of which we are aware.

      Cortisol levels and Industrial Organization Psychology. Been there, studied that.

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    2. Re:Coincidentally, I disagree with the facts too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WWWOOOSH!

  78. Issue with many sides... by Genda · · Score: 1

    There are many stressful jobs, IT, Technical Support, Air Traffic Controller. They have several key things in common;

    • High levels of responsibility
    • High degrees of skill and intelligence required to perform the job well
    • Serious repercussions for mistakes and failing to perform at a consistently high level
    • Potential high levels of anxiety
    • People being dealt with are not always at their best (eg. bright and cheery), especially when there are problems being faced
    • Frequent on call status
    • Unplanned incidents can frequently disrupt planned work, and are hard to schedule around (urgent circumstances often displace important tasks)
    • Often, unable to directly impact the key choices needed ensure success (eg. there are laws, bosses, or policies over which you have little or no control impinging on your ability to perform your job, and sometimes putting in the unenviable position of having all the responsibility with none of the authority.)

    It's not the least bit surprising that folks can get a little bent doing work like this.

    Others here talk about the proper maintenance of the human machine. As nerds and geeks, keeping the hardware in top condition is an obvious aspect of addressing stress, but one also needs to look at the software... or in this case the wetware. Stress doesn't exist out there. There is no thing "Stress". It is a conversation you have with yourself. Literally, it lives in a framework of conversation you have with yourself about who you are, how the world works, and what impinges on your survival and continued happiness. The minute you begin to unravel how these conversations live, and are articulated, you can begin to see that Stress is the natural process of you being confronted by life, and that its as vital as breathing. As soon as you can begin to experience stress not as something to be avoided or resisted, but just another emotional reaction in a sea of emotional reactions, you are free to experience your stress, and let it pass right through. Every time you play, you exert yourself physically, mentally or emotionally, you stress yourself. It's how we become strong. If life simply unfolds and you can celebrate every aspect of it, there is nothing to worry about, nothing to fear and nothing to resist. You can create new conversations that leave you empowered and inspired, which are just as valid as the conversations that leave you fearful and frustrated, and they have the added benefit of providing you with a life that doesn't suck. It begins by shifting how you hold yourself as being responsible. From the victim of blame by others, to one who chooses to be accountable for causing a desired result. Since you have no power to change what others think, you can only address the mess in your own head, and lead the march towards sanity by example.

  79. whiskey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just get drunk. It helps my anxiety for a short time

  80. stress should be managed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How its managed is the important part. I have been in IT for 16 years and now do network eng transitioning to a data center arch function. I have been on some type of oncall rotation for about 7 years. For a year and a half it was every other week, and the last 5 has been once every 4 weeks. Understanding what you are responsible for and what your superiors expect is what you need to understand. Anxiety is usually brought on by worrying about what could happen. If you undersand what your responsible for and what needs to be done, your anxiety beyond this is an issue that lies outside of work. In other words, you need to speak to someone about it. Whether that be a close friend, Dr or psychologist depends on how much the anxiety affects your ability to function. At home or work.

  81. Not at all by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    Systems engineer here. Don't sweat it even if I am on call during this week. I've been at the company for five months and gotten exactly ONE call when I was on call. One!

    I'm told it's a serious aberration and that it'd be seriously high volume if we got more than one call per YEAR.

    1. Re:Not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Management here: It seems that we can save a substantial amount of money by not having you on staff. Your position has been eliminated. Happy holidays!

  82. Two things: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being good at what you do, and ice-cold detachment. If you're not easily replaceable, and don't really give a shit, what is there to worry about? Some guy yelling? If you're good at what you do and you actually do it, you don't have anything to worry about.

  83. I worked for a place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked for a place where everyone from dba's and senior sysadmins to help call folk were polled if they liked their job (or not) and by how much. The bosses were happy that numbers were up in the happy category (well, very happy through to only moderately dissatisfied were in the low 40s%). The very dissatisfied to the quitting tomorrow numbers were in the high 50s%. It was an improvement over previous years. I don't know about the following year, because I was gone about 4 months later. The fact is, that many IT jobs are not really 'good IT' jobs. Cleaning (vacuuming) equipment isn't exactly coding applications. Now it wouldn't be bad and you could tolerate it if there was at least 5-10% of coding applications or even software updates or backing up databases. If its all vacuuming equipment, cleaning keyboards, palleting old equipment, and cleaning out the office, then you want to leave (and I did leave). I went to university. I studied Computer Science. I have the piece of paper that says BSc Computer Science on my wall. The university isn't a paper mill. The guy who gave me a tour my first day of being an undergrad was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship at the end of the year. The job was crap! Sometimes leaving is the best thing you can do.

  84. Just don't give a shit...it works! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting anon of course.

    What I did was stop caring so much. If the server goes down, if a customer calls screaming about why they can't get into their system.

    Just stop worrying about it. As long as you've got the skills and the ability to get the server / services back online. Don't worry about it going down.

    Makes it tons easier in the long run.

  85. Very bad anxiety by Harry+in+the+Soup · · Score: 1

    Yep, in the end I dropped out of IT because of the anxiety and the very frequent out of hours call outs when I worked for a large UK bank. Even if I was not on call they still did as I was the "best one" for the system down situation. Phone ringing after 9Pm sent my heart rate and BP through the roof.

  86. It isn't just IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My son came over for Thanksgiving. In the midst of all the family activity got a call about a $.5M production loss problem. On the clock 24 by 7. He gets away only by going out of the country.

  87. anxiety? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run Linux.

  88. I care but not when I'm on vacation by jzarling · · Score: 1

    I am the only IT staff member for a state agency, and I while I fret taking time off I also know that I have too for my health. I'll take my laptop but the rule is if they call me it had better be an emergency because of union rules governing vacation and on call times. When I am on vacation I generally don't care.

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    It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
  89. Dig Holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I go to the beach and dig big holes in the sand. It's very therapeutic.

  90. More on Vitamin D by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    I'd second this; from: http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/treatment.shtml
    "We predict that treatment with physiological doses of vitamin D3 (between 4,000–10,000 IU/day from all sources, including sun, food and supplements) along with periodic monitoring of blood calcidiol and calcium levels will become routine. [Zittermann A. Vitamin D in preventive medicine: are we ignoring the evidence? Br J of Nutr. 2003;89:552–572. Holick M. Vitamin D: A Millennium Perspective. J Cell Biochem. 2003;88:296–307.] Research indicates it will help several vitamin D deficiency-associated diseases such as: autism, autoimmune illness, cancer, chronic pain, depression, diabetes, heart disease, hyperparathyroidism, hypertension, influenza, myopathy (neuromuscular disorders), and osteoporosis.
        At this time, we advise even healthy people (those without the diseases of vitamin D deficiency) to seek a knowledgeable physician and have your 25(OH)D level measured. If your levels are below 50 ng/mL you need enough sun, artificial light, oral vitamin D3 supplements, or some combination of the three, to maintain your 25(OH)D levels between 50–80 ng/mL year-round.
    How Much Vitamin D?
        If you refuse to see a physician, or can't find a knowledgeable one, purchase the 1000 IU/day vitamin D3 cholecalciferol pills that are available over-the-counter in North America or a 5,000 IU capsule. Take an average of 5,000 IU a day, year-round, if you have some sun exposure. If you have little, or no, sun exposure you will need to take at least 5,000 IU per day. How much more depends on your latitude of residence, skin pigmentation, and body weight. Generally speaking, the further you live away from the equator, the darker your skin, and/or the more you weigh, the more you will have to take to maintain healthy blood levels.
        For example, Dr. Cannell lives at latitude 32 degrees, weighs 220 pounds, and has fair skin. In the late fall and winter he takes 5,000 IU per day. In the early fall and spring he takes 2,000 IU per day. In the summer he regularly sunbathes for a few minutes most days and thus takes no vitamin D on those days in the summer. The only way you can know how much you vitamin D you need to take is by repeatedly getting your blood tested—known as a 25(OH)D test—and seeing what you need to do to keep your level around 50 ng/mL."

    Another site with somewhat lower recommendations:
        http://www.grassrootshealth.net/

    Eating a lot of vegetables and fruits can help too, as can other good lifestyle things like exercise and sleeping well and thinking positive, having friends, having a sense of humor, communing periodically with nature and the inifinite, and so on. Example on food, related to Dr. Joel Fuhrman:
        http://www.alternativeratreatments.com/eat-to-live.html

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    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
    1. Re:More on Vitamin D by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      What if you are senior sysadmin, and not a tape monkey? *joke*

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      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
    2. Re:More on Vitamin D by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Then see if the training budget will cover this: :-)
          http://www.humorproject.com/conference/

      See also:
          http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/health/30vitamin.html?permid=196#comment196

      By the way, as an alternative to working:
          http://idlenest.freehostia.com/mirror/www.whywork.org/index.html

      And, consider:

      The US currently spends as much on schooling, social security, and welfare to give every citizen about US$800 a month.
          http://www.basicincome.org/bien/aboutbasicincome.html

      And it spends enough on Medicare/Medicaid to cover everyone with good health care if it was managed better.
          http://www.singlepayeraction.org/

      And the US spends more than twice as much on "defense" in a year than it would take to change the entire country over to using renewable energy and no longer need much of a defense department.
          http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan

      It's all about the paradigm and a global mindshift beyond narrow vested interests.
          http://www.global-mindshift.org/memes/wombat.swf

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      A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
    3. Re:More on Vitamin D by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      I salute you.

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      I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.
  91. Simple, I am hourly.... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    It is pretty simple right now. I am hourly, so if they need me at 3am on some night, then my clock starts ticking when they called me to come in.

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    We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
  92. Yogic breathing and meditation by shanelenagh · · Score: 1
    I have found yogic breathing and meditation helps considerably.

    Regards,
    Shane

  93. Alcohol and debauchery by Mesinjah · · Score: 0

    As if any of us are even sober enough to notice stress?

  94. Stick to the right stuff by Moe1975 · · Score: 1

    What I have done is identify what makes me anxious and stresses me out, and I avoid those activities.

    Helpdesk type support for users/train users - avoid
    TALK about technology with anyone other than other pros - avoid
    Old PC's - avoid
    Fix Windoze machines - avoid
    Deal with printers - avoid
    Deal with user PROBLEMS in general - avoid. I create stuff. I get it done so as to avoid problems. Once something has done turned into a clusterfuck because the imbeciles did not listen to reason or had enough sense to seek the counsel of those who know I stay away. I don't do nasty little problems. The best way to get them off your back is to price them out. That always works.
    Develop websites or software for pretentious small biz owner types/wanna be techie types/MBA shitheads/just got started freelancing don't know what they are doing in a hurry just discovered tah internet stuck in the mid 90's types - avoid (I make myself visible to smart, down to earth, serious people who know what the F they are doing in their own field and have enough sense and smarts to let me do my job - all the above types either want you to in effect pay them for the privilege of working for them, want to guide your hand as if they were smarter than you, or both)

    In other words, I stick to what I like, and F the rest. I USED to care, and it only got me grief. I used to worry about costs, I used to sit there and go the extra mile to save someone some cash - until I started seeing the idiots spending the cash I saved them on booze, and overpriced inane BS items. That's when I said F this, most users are cheap ingrates. You mean I missed taking some hottie who's willing to do the NASTY for REALS :) out for a night on the town (country where I live is great in that sense - even geeks get laid!) just so some asswipe douchebag fuckhead double digit IQer can buy fn Britney Spears CD's? and then not even put in a good word for me with anyone in spite of the fact that I got it done well AND did it super cheap? LOL
    Anyone who does not pay up for me to do what I LIKE to do has nothing coming from me . . . I.simply.don't.care.

    People who are paying up and letting me do my job get their money's worth. I get it done, and that is that. I let it go once I fulfill my end of the bargain. Laptop not as fast as you WISH it were for your graphic design work? Should have paid me and asked me before getting burned by a sales drone. Is it now twice as fast as it was before you paid me? It is? OK THEN. I'm done. See ya'. Not going to spend all night looking for ways to squeeze a bit more performance out the thing unless I am paid to do so.

    I.simply.don't.care.

    Users will suck the life out of you if you let them.

    There are many forests and fields large and full of fruit and game - avoid swamps, deserts, cliffs, mountains, small game, and find those places . . . happy feeding.

    MOE

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    SARAVA!
  95. You're doing it wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During these long breaks from work, it's refreshing to not have to worry about your job. Unless you work in IT, in which case you're salaried and constantly on the clock.

    Excuse me? Like fuck I am. This doesn't really have much bearing on anxiety. It just leads to reason you need a new job.

    To all the server room monkeys and desktop admins, do you suffer from anxiety?

    Yes. All my life. I don't think it has anything to do with my career choice. With bad enough anxiety the smallest worry feel's like the world is ending regardless of what it is or how much of a non issue it is.

    "How do you deal with it?

    Regular exercise, breathing exercises, beer, sex, drugs, even WoW. If you have something that consistently winds you down and brings reality back in perspective use it. Just be careful as the things that wind you down often make you feel much better at the same time; that calmness that everyone else has all of the time is very appealing and can easily lead to addictions/dependencies that end up not helping in the end.

    Does the crushing worry of a businesses IT infrastructure (and the rest of the business) coming to a screeching halt make IT occupations prone to anxiety?

    No. If you have the crushing worry about your IT infrastructure you are doing something seriously wrong and likely doing many things contrary to industry standards.

    If your organisation is like any other it will deem IT as a cost not a benefit or investment. Thats fine, you signed up for being treated like literal horse shit. But if they aren't willing to pay up for that cost it is time to go. (not only because they are bad but because you now know you will never see a pay rise.)

  96. Firefighting helps by dranga · · Score: 1

    I've been doing volunteer firefighting for several years now in addition to the full time IT work and it helps quite a lot. After having to pull yourself and others out a collapsing burning house or having to do CPR to save a child, you wind up with a new definition of emergency. Suddenly a down server is nothing to stress about. My boss and director have even commented on that, in the last big outage, I was very relaxed about it (to the point that some started thinking I didn't care). But I also was the first to track down the real issue and get it resolved since i was keeping more level headed.

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    Oh no, not again.
  97. Maybe not weed, but: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sure makes it hard to quit smoking cigarettes... I find that sometimes going out to smoke gives me the pause I need to clearly see a solution to a problem that eludes me when I'm in there staring at the blinkin-lights. I know I could walk outside without smoking, but it soothes me. :(

  98. Stressin' by alxkit · · Score: 0

    I got peoples' skills. What is wrong with you, people?

  99. Get a sense of proportion by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 1

    Between having studied self-defense (to wit: what to do if someone is trying to kill you) and suffered open-heart surgery (to wit: been dead), I find there is little else worth worrying about.

    So yes: stop stressin'. If it's not going to kill/maim you, all will come out OK.

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    Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
  100. There is no answer except... by kenglong · · Score: 1

    Almost constant anxiety and panic for over 19 years maintaining the computer systems at a small electronics manufacturer burned me out. They'll never know how much of my life that job took from me up to the day they fired me. The only solution is to get out....permanently.

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  102. Get some suits for allies. Don't trust hardware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No matter how good you are, no matter how demonstrable it is that your awesome system never actually went down, one day you're going to be taking a shit while some VIP can't perform a basic task on your fully functional system, and people will be banging on your stall door.

    On that day, you're going to need a suit to cover your back. Network and form important relationships before that day arrives. Don't put all your faith, love, cooing, time and emotional energy in your toys. They will fail you. Evaluate your anxieties and decide if any stem from fear of job loss, and if they do, remember that no matter if you are super admin of the world, no amount of raw talent will save your ass without an ally behind closed doors. If it costs you the occasional extra two hours at the end of the day to get someone's "Outlook working", go for it. You may find one day that that effort meant more than all your years of college and training and blood sweat and tears put together.

  103. Do what works for you.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our corporate recently had a restructure merging all the business units IT sections into a single one. It's been highly stressful (change in location, teams, work, managers, etc.)

    I found that I don't mind working hard, but I have an issue with spending 12 hours a day at work. Some guys don't mind doing that provided they're paid enough.

    At the end of the day you have to find what works for you..

    For me it's a productive 8 hour day, then time to gym, read, meditate, play some games.

  104. Good insight but naive about workplace issues by xenoc_1 · · Score: 1

    "As most IT professionals are not unionize employees, and thus typically individually negotiate their contract of employment..."

    Negotiate? Most IT professionals don't have the option to negotiate anything. It's "here's what we're paying". Yes, during hiring in good times, you have a one-time opportunity to express what you will and won't take. Once you're in, that's it, even in good companies. You get the salary rate, raise, or nowadays cut, that they tell you you're getting.

    "In larger employers Human Resource (HR) departments and Employee Assistance Programs (EAP) have increasingly identified the importance of work-life balance, which includes not being on-call 24/7 constantly. In it humanly impossible to be constantly (available to) do your job correctly and effectively around the clock on an ongoing basis. Any manager who doesn't realize or acknowledge that is dangerous to your personal and professional well-being. In other words, they are willing to sell your soul for their gain."

    Have you ever dealt with them? HR will do absolutely nothing about managers like this. I've been in plenty of large companies in Finance, Retailing, Motion Picture Studios - big companies will full-fledged HR Depts. You start a complaint, you're toast. You find yourself getting a bad rating or a not-so-good rating in your annual review, but nothing so egregious or provably retaliatory. Suddenly your share of the "bonus pool" is lower than you were getting.

    HR is there to help managers cover their ass and the company stay out of legal trouble. Not to help you.

    "And suggest your manager fields all calls first, so as to filter any non-essential incidences since all professionals are 'always on the clock.'"

    Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

  105. GET BACK IN YOUR BODY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meditate, do yoga, and like bagboy says workout
    In other word GET IN YOUR BODY !

    Being too much in your head causes anxiety.

  106. Martial Arts.... by nucrash · · Score: 1

    I know this sounds bad, but if I get time, I go to class, it's a physical workout and if you have a good academy, you get to bludgeon someone in a controlled environment. I know many of these places are filled with little kids, but I work out in one that has adults as well and while this is not a fight club, there are a few people that I spare with that leave their fair share of bruises as I enjoy leaving a fair share as well. I started back to Martial arts 5 years ago, quit this summer, almost burnt out at work, went back to Martial Arts, and feel ready to handle my job again. It's a requirement I personally think. Either that or get a punching bag. That works too.

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    Place something witty here
  107. Care about what you do, not what they do by Kjella · · Score: 1

    Unless you have a real ownership in the company, realize that their problems are not your problems. I do my job and I do it well, even the times when I realize it won't matter because they're busy shooting themselves in the foot. And I do try to give some input on that when asked or when I have the opportunity. But if they seem determined to jump off a cliff and start flying, then I'm not trying to be the Hercules to stop them. If what you're paying me for is to run as fast as possible towards it, I'll do it. As long as we're talking about wasting money and not something that'd get me in a war crimes tribunal, I'm just obeying orders like a good soldier.

    It pays off in that everyone in your immidiate surroundings, and probably your closest boss sees you're a good worker. Maybe from an eagle eye view the project is still a flop because it's mission impossible, but those people might be in a hiring position someday or they may help you find work through their network or they might give you good recommendations. It's a big world out there, but the people doing the same kind of work in the same field in the same geographical area is small. Essential personal qualities like "yeah I remember working with him 10 years ago, always doing a great job" have lasting value. Do that and there will always be work for you, maybe not the same job but you'll always have alternatives. Because no matter how much you've fretted over work, you might be laid off anyway.

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    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  108. Work out and alter the way you think by The_jos · · Score: 1

    I agree on physical workout. I went to work with my bike most of the year (about 45 mins single trip) and stopped for about 1.5 months now (weather getting bad).
    Because driving my car is more stressful I feel I take my job home sometimes, this does not happen when I go by bike.
    Workout really helps.

    Next: Why are you so important for your company?
    If stuff breaks, does this really mean the company goes down the drain?
    And you are the only one who can fix this?
    Time to ask for a huge raise!

    Get rid of this feeling.
    When you cannot do your job tomorrow for whatever reason and IT fails the company will not go bust.
    You have a job, do it well. When you close the door when leaving for home, work is gone.
    When people call you in the middle of the night, work starts the moment you log into the system.
    Between this it's your time, your life. Do something usefull with it instead of living in fear.

  109. Disorders and Illnesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can only work part-time now, which makes it hard finding an IT job. Perhaps part-timers can make it one day in that industry we're not worthless.

  110. It is just work by tuoppi · · Score: 1

    Don't panic. You are working to keep that environment up and running. If disaster strikes, you are working to get it back up. It is just another side of your work; you work to avoid disasters, but you don't worry about them, you prepare and deal with them.

    It is a job, not your life. If you forget that, you will end up burning yourself out. Take a good look at your work agreement - it will tell what you are expected to do and for how many hours in a week, and how much money and benefits you are getting in exchange.

  111. Can someone please explain this Americanism to me by Builder · · Score: 1

    Can someone please explain this whole 'salaried' thing to me.

    I live in Europe and I am employed on a salary basis. I am contracted to work 40 hours per week and I am paid a certain amount per year for this. As a result of being salaried, I get pension contributions, paid holiday and paid time off if I get ill. Bonuses and increases are based on my salary. I'm taxed based on this salary and the company pays these taxes to The Man(tm).

    On the other hand, if I have to work significantly beyond my contracted 40 hours per week, I am paid overtime. The general rule is that you don't claim for an hour here or there, but if you do a solid block of 4 or more hours, you are paid based on you salary.

    Why do Americans see being salaried as a bad thing ?

    The alternative here is a contractor. This normally involves a daily rate and you are responsible for your own taxes, sickness cover, etc. And when you aren't working, you aren't earning. You do generally earn more per day and there are more tax avoidance options available to you, but you get no sick cover, no vacation, etc.

  112. ?? Really by Foxxxy · · Score: 1

    I have worked in IT all my life, from the jack of all trades to specialized technologies.... on call all the time, i have had my fair share of events where 60 people swarm my desk as i type away and talk on the phone trying to resolve the issues.... my view of this....

    other people can have the anxiety... i am here to do my job to the best of my abilities, i get paid to do that, i get paid to be on call, so i will do that... i have projects that i know will fail, projects that i am struggling to meet the timelines for and problems that i can solve, and problems that i can't solve... last I checked, that is IT period.

    If you have real issues with anxiety and coping with this "crushing pressure" go work in another industry, IT isn't a walk in the park and if you can't balance work/personal and your own emotions, IT isn't for you.

    Sure that sounds harsh, but again, in IT, get used to it.

  113. Mindfulness in Plain English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most folks try to be helpful by saying things like "you can't let it get to you" or "try to relax". While I don't doubt their intentions, or even the truth of their words, the advice is ultimately useless because it doesn't explain *how* to do it.

    There's a practice called "mindfulness meditation" that comes out of the buddhist tradition. There's a great (free-as-in-beer) book on the subject here: http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.html. In short, it's the process of bringing the mind and body together. Since the mind is often on trips to the past or to futures that may never be, it's really the task of bringing the mind back home to where the body is stuck. ;)

    It's a simple practice, though not an easy one. It provides a proactive means for you to find your way out of the maze of stress and anxiety. A problem that a previous poster rightly said you can't "think" your way to solving.

  114. Re:Can someone please explain this Americanism to by EricWright · · Score: 1

    We have this crazy concept of certain jobs being exempt from overtime rules. As a general rule, most salaried positions are classified as exempt, most hourly positions are classified as non-exempt (both are considered full time positions with benefits, vacation, etc.).

    Thus, if a salaried person works 60 hours a week, s/he still gets the same pay as when working 40 hours per week. IT is a classic example. Longer workdays, 24x7 oncall rotations, weekend work to implement significant changes ... same pay as the normal 40 work weeks.

  115. you're not a god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was in the same position as you few years ago. At some point I learned to give my 110% and if there is something that go wrong well shit happen and I’m no god. This is working well for me as long as I give my 110% and use my head.

  116. It's a stressful industry by w00ten · · Score: 0

    IT is a stressful industry and as you become more and more skilled you get more and more stress. Look at the CCIE certification. I remember reading an article that said CCIE certified network admins have the highest divorce rate of anyone in IT. They also mentioned that IT has a higher divorce rate then most industries. The stress comes from the job, and it comes from home. Many times spouses have issues dealing with the on-call nature of IT and feel like their spouse cares more about work then about the relationship/family. I have had this issue with my girlfriend when I did network operations at an ISP(hooray for call-ins on Thanksgiving and Christmas, boy was I in the dog house). As far as minimizing stress, regardless of your situation, make time for you(Playing with the kids doesn't count). Even just 5 minutes of busting heads on the ps3 or 360 can be very relieving. Maybe you're a DnD player, find a group and make time in your life to play. Paint some warhammer. Or the best of all, lots of sex. Sex is what I have found to be #1 stress reliever, come home and take out your stress on the girlfriend/wife. She'll probably enjoy it and itll take the stress away from home life too. One or any combination of such things will make you a happier, more personable, and less stressed IT worker.

  117. Re:Can someone please explain this Americanism to by w00ten · · Score: 0

    In North America some people see salaried as a bad thing because 1) even after taxes and insurance, contractors make WAY more and 2) Many employers take advantage of salaried workers. They give us Blackberry's, expect us to reply to any message within 5 minutes of receiving, even at 2:30 in the morning, and they feel like they are entitled to have us work overtime and not pay us. Over here, most on-call work gets you no compensation unless you get called in, and even then, many employers still don't end up paying, they just try to dodge the bullet. It's very unfair sometimes. I know I've had my fair share of employers who never paid overtime, and then when you tried to use your lieu time to get an afternoon off, they made you feel like a worthless useless piece of crap for it. Europe is more understanding and left wing then North America as a whole. Sometimes, the left actually is better then the right

  118. Boating and Shooting! by head_dunce · · Score: 1

    You need to get away from the screens. In the summer, nothing relaxes me like going for a boat ride - even if it's just a little row boat - it's a great way to disconnect from the world from a while. You're on your own when you're on the water. In the winter, I love taking my shotgun out to the local gun club and shooting trap (clay pigeons.) Video games can be fun, and you can try and boot up the old "Duck Hunter" but all that does is give you more time behind a screen... you can pick up a shotgun for less than a PS3 and really get out some aggression trying your best to break clay.

    Keep experimenting with different hobbies that get you outside and away from screens. With boating and shooting, you really don't need another person to do them with - which is nice when you just need a break from the world for a while.

  119. Re:Can someone please explain this Americanism to by Builder · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure this is a left wing / right wing thing - it's simple theft.

    Unless my employer are prepared to provide their services to me for free, I'm damn sure not providing mine to them for free. If I went and asked for an advertising campaign to be run for some side project of mine for free, I'd get told where to go... It's business, not a charity.

    By the same token, I'm providing them a service. No pay, no work. Simples.

  120. But its IT...... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ... and you're IT!
    You wanted to be IT!
    You got IT.
    So Deal with IT.

    Users are kept to stupid to do IT for themselves.
    Right isn't IT?

    Blame the OS designers...... your job could be so easy ITs not even needed.

  121. Or you could just press reset. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took matters into my own hands and quit my IT job after 15 years, sold everything I owned, and started cycling around the world. Guess what! No more stress!

    Dave - http://www.tiredofit.ca

  122. Beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drink Beer...Then go for a run

  123. When I was the boss man... by smammon · · Score: 1

    When I was the IT manager - definitely. Stress 24/7. Sucked ass.

    Becoming a "grunt" again was the best move I ever made. "Not my problem" is my new mantra. I take care of my systems. Make recommendations. Sleep well knowing that as long as I do my job with due diligence - well, its not my problem.

    --
    "Smile, listen, agree, and then do whatever the fuck you wanted to do anyway." ~Robert Downey Jr.
  124. anyone know what an IT Ops group is really like... by robb3030 · · Score: 1

    yup. so plenty of IT support people feel anxiety, I am now a manager in an IT support group after having risen through the ranks. I'm a seasoned veteran of 2am, 3am, 4am support calls every night; midnight critsit or sitman calls, and unreasonable expectations of uptime - "whadya mean you cant guarantee 100% availability?", etc. IT Support professionals experience one of the highest levels of stress per industry, topped by roles that involve life and death such as, ER doctors and nurses, Miners, Troops at War, and oil rig workers. At the most stressful points of my own support roles I found I was being woken up 4 or 5 times a night - every night - and also over the weekend, I was doing an 80 hour week just to keep the lights on, so were the other 50 people working with me. The real problem here was there was no money available at the time to fix things that had been slowly deteriorating for years. I slept with my pager switched onto vibrate in my hand so I would not wake my partner. Things in my dept are a bit better now, but people still work long hours and are oncall 24/7. There will always be these sorts of issues in any big complex IT Dept, my job now is to minimize them within the constraints placed on us. There are a couple of points about this. 1. IT support staff get paid well above average. It is not uncommon for them to have no tertiary education. The expected stress is built into their wages. 2. After doing the job for years and years, I became very good at it. This confidence and calmness in emergencies comes from the experience, most people dont build that without experience. After a while I found myself able to run the environment without much stress because I was confident in what i was doing and instructing others to do. I harsh experience can be a good thing if you can learn the behaviors required to cope with it. 3. I see alot of comments here about eating good food and exercising, and whilst these are undoubtedly a component to dealing with the stress, They dont replace the experience you need in order to deal with a highly stressful environment.

  125. Part of the job by bobcote · · Score: 1

    To deal with stress I work out before work. My feeling is no matter how frustrating the day -- I've accomplished something.

    In the long run, if you have your choice of jobs, avoid one where they are trying to get 24/7 coverage but only want to pay for 8/5. Working in an environment where you know you have backup makes life easier. Companies that demand everyone be on call are not valuing your contribution to the company but regard you as part of the infrastructure and will be replaced when they feel you are no longer useful.

  126. Don't let it get to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm lucky enough to work in an environment where it can be very enjoyable to go to work. People are friendly, the office space looks beautiful, the work isn't difficult... so the stress just doesn't get to me. In other words, the pros far outweigh the cons.

    I've had cases where I'll get home from the office (30 minute commute) in a terrible snow storm only to be called the second I walk through the door that the internet just died at the office. Back out I go.

    Once I decided to take a whole week off on holiday (unheard of in all the years I have worked there!) and the very first day, the very first minute of my holiday..... I got a call that the email sending server was down.

    There are dozens of other instances very similar to those, and yes they are very annoying at the time, but I don't take it for granted that
    1: I have a job.
    2: It's a good job with great co-workers.
    3: Pays well enough.
    4: In a field I love working in.

    Yes it can be stressful and anxiety does mount, but realize that there are people out there who are much worse off, and no matter how stressful people make it for you, the fact that you have a job is pretty good in itself. Don't take it for granted and most importantly don't let it get to you.

  127. No by vanyel · · Score: 1

    Everything fails, you have to design the system to work in spite of the failures. And yeah, the system will break once in a while anyway, but it works mostly so the stress is low. The place where the stress occurs is dealing with all the poorly documented crap software that we have to use because bad as it is, it's the best there is. I'd name names, but pretty much any name you might pick is on the list.

  128. confessions of a former agoraphobic by Nick · · Score: 1

    I still suffer from anxiety issues. It will always be with me. In a sick twist of fate I got into IT in a round about way. At 16 I became a complete and total agoraphobic.. couldn't leave the driveway or I'd get severe chest pains, pins and needles from head to toe, I really thought I was dying of a heart attack. I spent the next three years bottled up inside as a recluse and did the best I could with my time.. read and learned, programmed, unix.. linux.. it was all I had. I eventually learned to function and go out like anyone else. 17 years later and I am living in the third largest city in North America, I take trains. I fly for business and pleasure. I still have anxiety issues though. I carry some prescription xanax in the event of a bad one but usually I go down the street and have a beer at the pub which makes everything quite alright. The last thing I worry about is messing something up at work. If I worried about that I would not be able to do an effective job.

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    Fuck Ajit Pai