I don't remember Canada going to war when another of their citizens was captured and tortured by different bunch of savages on trumped-up charges. Why act differently now?
Well, "one of safest cities in US" is not much. After all we are talking about a country with most prisoners per capita (by huge margin), so crime must be horrid there.
I don't have problem believing it. I just guess it will be interpreted like non-proliferation treaties concerning WMDs - we can have it, but others will be invaded for trying.
Well, let's consider this question for a moment. People have pointed out that women's involvement in open source development is *extremely* low, despite the fact that, even in non-OSS development, women have a much higher proportion of representation. So... is it a problem that a significant portion of people eligible to contribute to OSS development are electing not to? You tell me!
So what? Check out any knitting club and you will see almost 100% females. And yet I don't see anyone getting too bent out of shape over this.
For me, I'd say yes, to the extent that anybody who COULD contribute, and who might be interested in contributing to a community, but who is instead driven away by actively hostile elements of that community's culture, there is a "problem." If you want to say "It's a boy's club, girls not welcome," that's fine. But let's not pretend that women aren't participating because their poor little heads just explode like Lucy & Ethel at the candy factory.
So? Don't mistake political correctness for reality
Ah, so you view "girls like dolls, boys like guns" as an immutable biological reality? I see why you can't see the problem now... you're part of it.
And here we have main fault of this kind of "studies". They start with already made conclusion that problem is those nasty nerds who drive poor females away. And of course anybody who does not immediately agree is "part of the problem". That's how you conduct religious cult, not research.
How do you know there is no biological basis?
Because study after study have shown little-to-no statistically significant disparity between the performance of boys and girls in areas of math and science, areas which computer science most certainly relates to. And yet time and again, apologists like you trot out this "you don't know there's no biological basis." I never said "there wasn't any," I said that you've got "a long way to go to establish any sort of biological reason for this disparity."
No, you did not. Here is a quote: "There is no particular biological basis for this" . To me it seems like expression of certainty.
Proceed to establish your biological basis with facts, not half-assed stereotypes paired with an anecdote from when you were 7 years old, and I'll be happy to listen.
Somehow I doubt it considering that you mostly argue with yourself. "Anecdote from when I was 7" ? Where the hell do you see any anecdotes in my posts?
I thought nerds were supposed to be rational and fact based... yet you're asking me to prove a negative, and clinging to your own prejudices and stereotypes when faced with ACTUAL EVIDENCE that there is no supporting data for a "gender gap" in terms of performance and ability in math and science.
I am not talking about ability - I don't see any reason to think that code produced by female programmers is any worse or better on average.
I suggest that mental differences (you want biological basis - how about 50 000 years of evolutionary selection for *different* tasks?) may cause certain activities to be less desirable for one gender than they are for other.
You expect to see proportional involvement across all activities because that's the way statistics suggests they should. If you selected people at random from the general population to fill 10,000 programming jobs, you would expect that the gender & ethnic composition of that 10,000 would largely be reflective of the population the random sampling was drawn from. When your composition varies - in this case widely - from the expected results, there is an interesting question of, "why?"
And is this a problem serious enough to try and solve it with yet another "initiative" every several months? Is this even a problem at all or just observation?
Is it because girls are bad at programming? I see no reason to think there's a gender-related basis for programming... do you? How do you explain it, if "being a woman" doesn't automatically mean someone's probably bad at programming?
No need to get defensive. You also see "no reason" for significantly smaller woman participation and yet it happens. Why do you immediately start jumping up and down claiming that one possible reason just cannot be true. If you have link to statistical study of code quality produced by men and women, please share it. Until then, I have no data to say anything one way or another.
"Differences in interest" sounds like a nice way of saying "girls like dolls, boys like guns."
So? Don't mistake political correctness for reality.
There is no particular biological basis for this, so again, there'd be no reason to expect this to be the case, unless there is a cultural reason for it.
Now, you can certainly argue whether or not culturally-reinforced 'gender roles' are desirable or undesirable, but you've got a long way to go to establish any sort of *biological* reason for the disparity.
How do you know there is no biological basis? There are physical differences between genders: different body build, musculature optimized for different things, different hormonal balance, even a little different brain (difference in volume for example). Considering that fact, why every politically correct drone goes batshit insane when someone suggests that physical differences may be also accompanied by mental ones? It would not make much sense for evolution to only optimize genders for certain tasks only physically, but not mentally as well.
I'm talking about meddling in areas such as renewal projects, shopping patterns/habits, and in general helping folks who live in that neighborhood rise above the bad situation they're in. Consider also this: What if the system were abused? What if neighborhoods (or rather, townships) were offered an 'out' from the blacklisting for a fee?
Then this information also should be publicized. Preferably with list of of places that used that opt-out. Sorry, you are not going to convince me that ignorance is better than knowledge.
Also, what of the opposite? I can tell you right now that a black man in Harrison, Arkansas after dark is in greater physical danger than he would ever be in Compton, California. Would his particular GPS indicate that maybe he should keep driving until he sees a safer town for him (say, Sprinfgield, MO)?
Hey, here is your idea for a patent and app. Go for it.
Finally, since crime statistics are compiled on an annual basis, and often change from area to area each year, what you'd get is outdated at best, so it may well be useless to you in either event.
There are many places that stay bad for decades. And I don't think there is so much fluctuation month-to-month to invalidate the idea.
If, as you suggest, there is some significant difference in crime incidence during daylight hours as opposed to darkness, I'd like to know that, also.
Indeed, but I doubt the patent's stated goal would cover that, which is why I mentioned it.
So because it is not perfect and does not provide every possible information, the idea is worthless?
No matter what technicalities you try to pull this is just crude attempt to blackmail the congress. Do what we tell you or we will make voters angry at you. Pretty much the same as MAFIAA lobbyists, just advocating opposite view and using stick instead of carrot. If they go ahead and do the blackout, it *may* indeed bring some public awareness to SOPA, which would be undeniably good thing. But I expect public debate to be quickly redirected (remember that all TV stations and newspapers are owned by SOPA supporters) to making sure that control over Internet "public utilities" (I know that they legally are not, but it would be good piece of rhetoric) is increased enough to make sure that no private company can threaten to shut them down. I am sure that government would just love an excuse to tighten its grip over internet in the name of protecting people from "cyberterrorism".
Or even better do some research first and display: "You congress critter supports SOPA. That's not surprising considering that he/she took $x in donations from media companies. "
Or even better analogy: if you painted your ass blue and pretented to be a chandelier... It has as little to do with copyright infringement as your 'stolen ferrari' example, but at least is more imaginative.
As many times as we have to tell you that they are being deprived of sales and income. Probably nowhere near 1 to 1, but they are being deprived.
Like it or not, protection of a work is needed to keep the creative process going. 70 years after the death of the artist is too long and corporations should hold no copyright, only real people named as the artist.
Of course it is, after all there were no inventions or works of art created before copyright.
Lucky you. I have Motorola Milestone with locked bootloader. So there is no way to get 'unofficial' 2.3 upgrade and Motorola is not interested in providing one. I also have an IPad which got iOS 5.0 upgrade without a problem.
- Hey, give it back your bastard! Eh, at least he is not going to get any of my secret data - it is fingerprint protected!
- What are you doing with this knife?! Aaaaaaaargh...
- You sick fuck! And what makes you so sure I use right index finger anyway? No, wait, this was just a joke!
- Omg, he has an axe too... Leave me at least left hand, pleeaseee!
- Well, I can't use fingerprint scanner anymore so I will get a laptop with iris scanner. What could go wrong?
As usual, KDE has something working for years, then gnomies create something from scratch (with 100% more DBUS or whatever buzzword is popular that week), stick it on freedesktop and start screaming for KDE devs to switch, because this is now "standard".
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... or have them stretched for you. Torture? No, we don't do it here! This is just 'enhanced physical activity'.
I don't remember Canada going to war when another of their citizens was captured and tortured by different bunch of savages on trumped-up charges. Why act differently now?
Yet. When ACTA comes into effect, gmail and yahoo will be required to police their users.
More like throwing enough shit at the wall that something will finally stick.
Well, "one of safest cities in US" is not much. After all we are talking about a country with most prisoners per capita (by huge margin), so crime must be horrid there.
I don't have problem believing it. I just guess it will be interpreted like non-proliferation treaties concerning WMDs - we can have it, but others will be invaded for trying.
Well, let's consider this question for a moment. People have pointed out that women's involvement in open source development is *extremely* low, despite the fact that, even in non-OSS development, women have a much higher proportion of representation. So... is it a problem that a significant portion of people eligible to contribute to OSS development are electing not to? You tell me!
So what? Check out any knitting club and you will see almost 100% females. And yet I don't see anyone getting too bent out of shape over this.
For me, I'd say yes, to the extent that anybody who COULD contribute, and who might be interested in contributing to a community, but who is instead driven away by actively hostile elements of that community's culture, there is a "problem." If you want to say "It's a boy's club, girls not welcome," that's fine. But let's not pretend that women aren't participating because their poor little heads just explode like Lucy & Ethel at the candy factory.
Ah, so you view "girls like dolls, boys like guns" as an immutable biological reality? I see why you can't see the problem now... you're part of it.
And here we have main fault of this kind of "studies". They start with already made conclusion that problem is those nasty nerds who drive poor females away. And of course anybody who does not immediately agree is "part of the problem". That's how you conduct religious cult, not research.
How do you know there is no biological basis?
Because study after study have shown little-to-no statistically significant disparity between the performance of boys and girls in areas of math and science, areas which computer science most certainly relates to. And yet time and again, apologists like you trot out this "you don't know there's no biological basis." I never said "there wasn't any," I said that you've got "a long way to go to establish any sort of biological reason for this disparity."
No, you did not. Here is a quote: "There is no particular biological basis for this" . To me it seems like expression of certainty.
Proceed to establish your biological basis with facts, not half-assed stereotypes paired with an anecdote from when you were 7 years old, and I'll be happy to listen.
Somehow I doubt it considering that you mostly argue with yourself. "Anecdote from when I was 7" ? Where the hell do you see any anecdotes in my posts?
I thought nerds were supposed to be rational and fact based... yet you're asking me to prove a negative, and clinging to your own prejudices and stereotypes when faced with ACTUAL EVIDENCE that there is no supporting data for a "gender gap" in terms of performance and ability in math and science.
I am not talking about ability - I don't see any reason to think that code produced by female programmers is any worse or better on average. I suggest that mental differences (you want biological basis - how about 50 000 years of evolutionary selection for *different* tasks?) may cause certain activities to be less desirable for one gender than they are for other.
Wtf? You want to redesign programming languages specially for women? Maybe you would like to redesign mathematics while you are at it.
You expect to see proportional involvement across all activities because that's the way statistics suggests they should. If you selected people at random from the general population to fill 10,000 programming jobs, you would expect that the gender & ethnic composition of that 10,000 would largely be reflective of the population the random sampling was drawn from. When your composition varies - in this case widely - from the expected results, there is an interesting question of, "why?"
And is this a problem serious enough to try and solve it with yet another "initiative" every several months? Is this even a problem at all or just observation?
Is it because girls are bad at programming? I see no reason to think there's a gender-related basis for programming... do you? How do you explain it, if "being a woman" doesn't automatically mean someone's probably bad at programming?
No need to get defensive. You also see "no reason" for significantly smaller woman participation and yet it happens. Why do you immediately start jumping up and down claiming that one possible reason just cannot be true. If you have link to statistical study of code quality produced by men and women, please share it. Until then, I have no data to say anything one way or another.
"Differences in interest" sounds like a nice way of saying "girls like dolls, boys like guns."
So? Don't mistake political correctness for reality.
There is no particular biological basis for this, so again, there'd be no reason to expect this to be the case, unless there is a cultural reason for it.
Now, you can certainly argue whether or not culturally-reinforced 'gender roles' are desirable or undesirable, but you've got a long way to go to establish any sort of *biological* reason for the disparity.
How do you know there is no biological basis? There are physical differences between genders: different body build, musculature optimized for different things, different hormonal balance, even a little different brain (difference in volume for example). Considering that fact, why every politically correct drone goes batshit insane when someone suggests that physical differences may be also accompanied by mental ones? It would not make much sense for evolution to only optimize genders for certain tasks only physically, but not mentally as well.
Really? Ask Russians how it worked for them in Afghanistan.
I'm talking about meddling in areas such as renewal projects, shopping patterns/habits, and in general helping folks who live in that neighborhood rise above the bad situation they're in. Consider also this: What if the system were abused? What if neighborhoods (or rather, townships) were offered an 'out' from the blacklisting for a fee?
Then this information also should be publicized. Preferably with list of of places that used that opt-out. Sorry, you are not going to convince me that ignorance is better than knowledge.
Also, what of the opposite? I can tell you right now that a black man in Harrison, Arkansas after dark is in greater physical danger than he would ever be in Compton, California. Would his particular GPS indicate that maybe he should keep driving until he sees a safer town for him (say, Sprinfgield, MO)?
Hey, here is your idea for a patent and app. Go for it.
Finally, since crime statistics are compiled on an annual basis, and often change from area to area each year, what you'd get is outdated at best, so it may well be useless to you in either event.
There are many places that stay bad for decades. And I don't think there is so much fluctuation month-to-month to invalidate the idea.
If, as you suggest, there is some significant difference in crime incidence during daylight hours as opposed to darkness, I'd like to know that, also.
Indeed, but I doubt the patent's stated goal would cover that, which is why I mentioned it.
So because it is not perfect and does not provide every possible information, the idea is worthless?
Nokia also had been reassuring everybody about Symbian and Qt future until last moment before Elop declared them dead.
No matter what technicalities you try to pull this is just crude attempt to blackmail the congress. Do what we tell you or we will make voters angry at you. Pretty much the same as MAFIAA lobbyists, just advocating opposite view and using stick instead of carrot. If they go ahead and do the blackout, it *may* indeed bring some public awareness to SOPA, which would be undeniably good thing. But I expect public debate to be quickly redirected (remember that all TV stations and newspapers are owned by SOPA supporters) to making sure that control over Internet "public utilities" (I know that they legally are not, but it would be good piece of rhetoric) is increased enough to make sure that no private company can threaten to shut them down. I am sure that government would just love an excuse to tighten its grip over internet in the name of protecting people from "cyberterrorism".
Or even better do some research first and display: "You congress critter supports SOPA. That's not surprising considering that he/she took $x in donations from media companies. "
Or even better analogy: if you painted your ass blue and pretented to be a chandelier ... It has as little to do with copyright infringement as your 'stolen ferrari' example, but at least is more imaginative.
And both Gandhi and tea-throwers won, so they got to decide who is good guy and who is bad.
As many times as we have to tell you that they are being deprived of sales and income. Probably nowhere near 1 to 1, but they are being deprived.
Like it or not, protection of a work is needed to keep the creative process going. 70 years after the death of the artist is too long and corporations should hold no copyright, only real people named as the artist.
Of course it is, after all there were no inventions or works of art created before copyright.
Or they will come up with something new and enjoy monopoly in new niche until gaggle of Android (or something else) based 'me too' knockoffs arrives.
Lucky you. I have Motorola Milestone with locked bootloader. So there is no way to get 'unofficial' 2.3 upgrade and Motorola is not interested in providing one. I also have an IPad which got iOS 5.0 upgrade without a problem.
You know, every word that you just said could applied to for example dam. But hey, it is 'green' energy so it must be safe.
- Hey, give it back your bastard! Eh, at least he is not going to get any of my secret data - it is fingerprint protected! ... Leave me at least left hand, pleeaseee!
- What are you doing with this knife?! Aaaaaaaargh...
- You sick fuck! And what makes you so sure I use right index finger anyway? No, wait, this was just a joke!
- Omg, he has an axe too
- Well, I can't use fingerprint scanner anymore so I will get a laptop with iris scanner. What could go wrong?
Pass -DKDE4_BUILD_TESTS=TRUE to cmake while building and then run 'make test' . Better googling next time.
As usual, KDE has something working for years, then gnomies create something from scratch (with 100% more DBUS or whatever buzzword is popular that week), stick it on freedesktop and start screaming for KDE devs to switch, because this is now "standard".
That's what he said - fringe groups.
Sky did not fall, Japan is not irradiated wasteland, Fallout is still just a game.