right on man, finally someone with the same (crazy??) thought pattern as me. Every Linux article posted has %70 of slashdot whinning because "it will never make the desktop market if people have to put for any effort on there part" and it makes me sick.
I know what you are saying man, installing debian off 50 floppy disks onto a beat up old 486 with 1/2 your hardware is "off the mainstream". You make a good point. Sure it was hard, sure it took 2 weeks just to get the dam thing to boot. Sure it pretty well sucked. But I guarnette you I learned more on my first linux install when linux was "raw" then I have in all my CS classes and Windows expeince combined.
Anything that is worth having is worth working your ass off for.
You do realize that we are both going to get -5 Trolls now....
How the hell else are they going to get kids to take "typing" without computers. I mean the entire point to that class was to play wolfenstein 3D and try to alt-tab quick enough into Windows 3.1 Word Prefect before the teacher busted you, what a RUSH!! do you actucally think kids would take that class if they had to firgure out how to play doom on a type writter? Come on
Seriously though folks I would agree that computers do teach kids (and adults) usefully stuff, IF computer are taught right. If you teach problem sloving skills, how they really work, things like that, it is good. But if you teach kids (and adults) "point here, click here, doube click here" it is worthless. Second if you use the computer to teach other subjects, like history, this is great because there is a wealth of information (and smut) freely avaiable on the internet.
But I would also have to agree with the people saying computer don't teach our kids. This is true, first computers are stupid they can't teach, people must teach. Second, a computer can't really help with "un"logistics subjects like speech for example, since it is a launage based subject.
It depends on how you look at them. If they are in the right person's (preferable the teacher's) hands they are be outstanding, but if someone is using them in the wrong matter (they don't know how, are a sucky teacher, or are afaid of computers) it will only bring bad.
"Computers in the class room" I think is just like birth control. 1) you must understand why to use it. 2) you must WANT to use it 3) you must learn to use it in the right way. Computers like birth control, it is all dependent on the "user" to make sure they make it work properly and in a productive manner.
If you want great OpenGL speed, get an Indigo2 Impact
?? My freind has a stacked out Indigo2 impact and my 550 AMD K6-2, 256meg, voodoo3 kicks it's ass in every aspect, Quake2, Blender...
My Indigo 2 (teal, 100 MHZ 96 megs ram) gets beat by my 300 MHZ K6-2, 128 RAM, ATI rage graphics...
The sad thing is that each Indigo2's cost 4 times what I paid for BOTH PCs combined. And this is with buying them used off ebay last year and buying the pc new from online vendors.
My Indigo2 starts to rip and drop frames in the "bouncy ball 3d game" (from IndigoZone CD) when it is at 1/4 the screen size. It is un playable when it is in full screen. and lets not talk about Quake2 performance because it is just depressing.
Jar-Jar Binks is NOT in E4, E5, or E6. So this means that Jar-Jar has to die somewhere inbetween E2 or E3... He did not die in E1, E2 Lucas states him as a main character so there is doubt he will die in E2. Unless Lucas is using this as a "decoy", the sly bastard. But get ready folks Jar-Jar HAS to die in either this one or the next.. I am betting on E3 personally.
The Symphony focuses the listener's attention on a nearly forgotten technology:
The sound of your web site getting slashdotted because you came up with something pretty dam cool?
Nope you don't heard that much, the hard drives grinning, swapping away, the "clicks" of the network router when the leds are blinking to fast, the sound of your network admin screaming "where the hell is this bandwidth going?"
why did they stop linking them to everything2.com? I mean come on, a huge database that has about everything in it, just use the [?] mark after the word
First: I do not f#ck, sh*t, piss, eat online. Since none of these "poor privacy" services force you to, it does not amount to the equivalency of watching someone do these things in the meat world.
So you don't ingauge in anything considered against the norm? What if a adult wishes to look at adult material, (ie p0rn)? Do you sit around in public places reading playboy and penthouse? Some people might get creepied out by that, but it is a public place so it should be allowed?
Second: If you shop in the meat world, you do not ahve ANY privacy. Between Credit cards, smart shopper cards and cameras, you have less privacy offline than online.
Cash, all cash. I buy a bag of chips and give them a $5 bill, they give me change I walk out. The don't know my name, address, or anything about me. They know I am a white male in my early 20s, that could fit anyone.
Third: Some things are Public activities. Others are Private activities. The Internet is a Public space. The rules governing the public sphere apply here. Rights to pirvacy only apply to the Private sphere (ie the home...if you own it).
See the point above. Also, if you are in your own home, it is considered private, but if you use the internet out of your home, it is considered public? If I am watching tv at home, is that considered "private space", why should the Internet or a computer be any differant?
I did play the CB high school Quake3 death match, but I wouldn't want to tell my boss about it. I downloaded it and played it at home "private space", but some how in your weird world, this information should be avaiable to anyone that wants it?
Watch out for where your analogies lead.
Uh, you mean to my orignal point?:)
Tom
Hi Tom. What is your Social Security Number? My name is Jack^H^H^H^H Jerry btw, nice to meet you.
Cause we like to look at p0rn online. Why do you want privacy in the real world? Can I put a 24/7 live cams all over your house? Do you mind if you have to use open and public restrooms, or would you want a little privacy when you where about to drop a steamy load of crap?
Next time you and your girlfreind have sex, can I watch? Oh you would want some privacy in the real world, for some reason you think you are entitled to it... what ever gave you that idea?
(half the above post is loaded with sacarism, the other half is pepsi, can you tell the differance? Take the pepsi challenge)
I have been wondering this for a while. You know how people say "If you want to host mp3's just get a server in Zembobway where they don't have copyright laws"
The Theory:
Get an off US shore country without a lot of (sometimes stupid) laws on telecommunications and the Internet, like for example any thrid world country where the United States doesn't have any jugisdicition or power. Setup a Network Solutions-like hosting company and sell domains names to US citizens.
For example, if peta.org wasn't registor with an United States company, what could they do? Put it under your cousins name that lives in Canada.
What really could they do, it is not hosted in the United States or by a US company, it isn't owned by a US citizen or even a person that lives in the states, so where could they get the "right" (legally) to do this?
Just wondering, I though this was a really good idea, kinda like a loop hole, anyone see any problems or advantages to this?
Also if anyone wants to try this business plan out, please contact me.
Suse 5.3 had a small ass cardboard box, and it was STUFFED to the rim with a 500 page manual, stickers, and 4 (6??) CDs, 2 floppy disks and a few leaflets of paper. When they release 6.3 the box got a lot bigger, but the contents stayed about the same, they even had to put in a card board insert to keep the box from falling over on it's self.
The debian disks I got from cheapbytes though where a cd-rom in a plastic flexable cd-cover.
The newest version of GNU ls I download a couple months ago contained no packaging what so ever!!
Cardboard isn't bad, you can make it into multch and/or it will decay naturally, platic and things that do NOt decay are what to watch out for. It won't mind me one bit if Microsoft made a cardboard box the size of a card for there software, because that cardboard box can be reused, and if it isn't reused, it goes back to the planet naturally, nothing wrong with that. But if they had an over size radioactive nuclear plastic non-decayable cell sturcted box, what would make me somewhat upset.
Sadly yes. But do you think this is because Sun Sales Managers and PR reps brother the CEO and stroke him off, or do you think it is because the CEO knows what he is talking about on a techinal level?
Go up to any CEO and say "Sun Microsystems", they will say "The Dot in the Dot com people, right?", then say "OpenBSD Project" and they will say "So that is S&M Sex, right?"
It is not because Solaris is a better OS (which it is a DAM FINE one), but because Sun has a bettering marketing powers over CEO's that could even rival Microsofts PR (in some cases). What marketing power does OpenBSD have? A blurb on slashdot and maybe someone in #linux at 4 oclock in the morning saying something about it.
Just because something has a lot of users doesn't mean it is good *COUGH*****COUGH*
Solaris is good, but don't rate it basiced on number of users, basic it on techinal facts...
WTF slash ate my comment! Dammit, oh wow just found a bug, anyways the above post should of said:
Are you trolling? Solaris is System V, OpenBSD is BSD, SunOS is BSD...
OpenBSD is based off NetBSD, which NetBSD is based of BSD Lite 4.4, which comes without restrications or royalties.
Solaris was based (and extremely hacked up) from SunOS, which SunOS was based off (help me here) BSD Fat(??) less than 4.4 code (before all the lawsuits) in which Sun pay a one time huge (undisclosed) amount to AT&T to use AT&T/BSD code.
I don't see how you make the connection from Solaris OpenBSD
Even if you are under NDA, go to your contractor and say "Hey our products uses OpenBSD, OpenBSD has some problems, here they are *3* count em *3* vulnerabilites, can I place in a bug report with the OpenBSD so that they will fix them and make our product run better?"
Any your contractor will say "*3*, you mean *3* vulnerabilites !?!?"
And you say "*3* count em *3*, I said *3*, count em again *3* vulnerabilites, do you care if I put in *3* could em *3* bug reports to the OpenBSD team?"
And your contractor will say "*3* why *3* bug reports?"
And you say "*3* count em *3* bug reports because there are *3* count em *3* bugs to report and you can't put it on *1* count it *1* bug report, it has to be *3* count em *3* differant and seprate bug reports"
And you contractor will say "Ok, as long as it makes our *1* count it *1* product run better under OpenBSD *2.7* count it *2.7*"
And if you contractor says no, call up Theo in the middle of the night from a pay phone (works best if it is raining and have this converastion)
You: "I seen how you did device drivers on the x86"
Theo: [yawning] "What, who is this, what do you want"
You: "I seen how you did your device drivers on the PC platform the x86"
Theo: "Good, why the hell are you calling so late, email me about it I will reply in the morning"
You: "You did it in x86 ASM launage, you thought no one would see it"
Theo: [nervous] "uh, uhhhh it was for preformance reasons"
You: "Ahh you didn't think anyone would go to the trouble of reading obfused x86 asm did you?"
Theo: "No what are you talking about, it wasn't mean, it was for performance reasons, who are you"
You: "like a seti@home, distrubated computing power, but you didn't think anyone would notice, it is in there theo, I have seen it, but you thought you could hide it, and guess what i can expolit it theo, you know what theo?"
Theo: "What do you want"
You: "The public has to know, they will know, I will make sure. One question though Theo? What does it do? I want the truth"
Theo: "You can't handle the truth"
You: "come on theo"
Theo: "It is a seti like process embedded in the x86 version dammit, it gathers data and processes usefull results, it was funded by the DOD"
You: "What type of results"
Theo: "It is processing a %100 high res movie of the effect of hot grits being poured down someone's pants, fluid dynamics, burn data, everything you would want to know"
Ok, zero-ing out the swap file is a good idea, but a couple of questions. What happens if the machine is shutdown unexpectly? For example, if you zero out the swap file in the shutdown run level, that is alright. But what if you say YANK the power cord from the wall, that bypasses the shutdown run level on the system and the swap is never zero-ed out?
Slashdot Mirror
right on man, finally someone with the same (crazy??) thought pattern as me. Every Linux article posted has %70 of slashdot whinning because "it will never make the desktop market if people have to put for any effort on there part" and it makes me sick.
I know what you are saying man, installing debian off 50 floppy disks onto a beat up old 486 with 1/2 your hardware is "off the mainstream".
You make a good point. Sure it was hard, sure it took 2 weeks just to get the dam thing to boot. Sure it pretty well sucked. But I guarnette you I learned more on my first linux install when linux was "raw" then I have in all my CS classes and Windows expeince combined.
Anything that is worth having is worth working your ass off for.
You do realize that we are both going to get -5 Trolls now....
How the hell else are they going to get kids to take "typing" without computers. I mean the entire point to that class was to play wolfenstein 3D and try to alt-tab quick enough into Windows 3.1 Word Prefect before the teacher busted you, what a RUSH!! do you actucally think kids would take that class if they had to firgure out how to play doom on a type writter? Come on
Seriously though folks I would agree that computers do teach kids (and adults) usefully stuff, IF computer are taught right. If you teach problem sloving skills, how they really work, things like that, it is good. But if you teach kids (and adults) "point here, click here, doube click here" it is worthless. Second if you use the computer to teach other subjects, like history, this is great because there is a wealth of information (and smut) freely avaiable on the internet.
But I would also have to agree with the people saying computer don't teach our kids. This is true, first computers are stupid they can't teach, people must teach. Second, a computer can't really help with "un"logistics subjects like speech for example, since it is a launage based subject.
It depends on how you look at them. If they are in the right person's (preferable the teacher's) hands they are be outstanding, but if someone is using them in the wrong matter (they don't know how, are a sucky teacher, or are afaid of computers) it will only bring bad.
"Computers in the class room" I think is just like birth control. 1) you must understand why to use it. 2) you must WANT to use it 3) you must learn to use it in the right way. Computers like birth control, it is all dependent on the "user" to make sure they make it work properly and in a productive manner.
slashdotted, any got a REAL mirror?
and not that goat.cx crap either
Do you know if the Voodoo3 works with these monitors? Does it sync on green?
Which Matrox cards work? all of em?
Used you can pick up a 20inch Sony monitor made for the Indigo2 for about $250 USD, compare this to say a $400 21Inch PC monitor..
If you want great OpenGL speed, get an Indigo2 Impact
?? My freind has a stacked out Indigo2 impact and my 550 AMD K6-2, 256meg, voodoo3 kicks it's ass in every aspect, Quake2, Blender...
My Indigo 2 (teal, 100 MHZ 96 megs ram) gets beat by my 300 MHZ K6-2, 128 RAM, ATI rage graphics...
The sad thing is that each Indigo2's cost 4 times what I paid for BOTH PCs combined. And this is with buying them used off ebay last year and buying the pc new from online vendors.
My Indigo2 starts to rip and drop frames in the "bouncy ball 3d game" (from IndigoZone CD) when it is at 1/4 the screen size. It is un playable when it is in full screen. and lets not talk about Quake2 performance because it is just depressing.
Any ever get NetBSD running on an Indigo 2 R4400(??) 100Mhz proc? Any good, or just stick with the insecure but tasty eye candy that is IRIX?
Think about it:
Jar-Jar Binks is NOT in E4, E5, or E6. So this means that Jar-Jar has to die somewhere inbetween E2 or E3... He did not die in E1, E2 Lucas states him as a main character so there is doubt he will die in E2. Unless Lucas is using this as a "decoy", the sly bastard. But get ready folks Jar-Jar HAS to die in either this one or the next.. I am betting on E3 personally.
:)
Atleast there is a bright side
It is 2 purposeals then a conclusion or answer. For example
A == B
B == C
------
A == C
Teachers breed knowlege
Knowledge is power
Teachers have power
I guess it depends on your defination of power
Hrm, I still got 2 Dot Matrix printers, I like to print ASCII porn out on them, it sounds sexy when it prints to.
The Symphony focuses the listener's attention on a nearly forgotten technology:
The sound of your web site getting slashdotted because you came up with something pretty dam cool?
Nope you don't heard that much, the hard drives grinning, swapping away, the "clicks" of the network router when the leds are blinking to fast, the sound of your network admin screaming "where the hell is this bandwidth going?"
Ah the sound of victory
why did they stop linking them to everything2.com? I mean come on, a huge database that has about everything in it, just use the [?] mark after the word
CVS[?]
*cough*cough*cough*cough*cough*cough*cough*
Sorry, I got a bad cold.
Right. Nother bad analogy.
First: I do not f#ck, sh*t, piss, eat online. Since none of these "poor privacy" services force you to, it does not amount to the equivalency of watching someone do these things in the meat world.
So you don't ingauge in anything considered against the norm? What if a adult wishes to look at adult material, (ie p0rn)? Do you sit around in public places reading playboy and penthouse? Some people might get creepied out by that, but it is a public place so it should be allowed?
Second: If you shop in the meat world, you do not ahve ANY privacy. Between Credit cards, smart shopper cards and cameras, you have less privacy offline than online.
Cash, all cash. I buy a bag of chips and give them a $5 bill, they give me change I walk out. The don't know my name, address, or anything about me. They know I am a white male in my early 20s, that could fit anyone.
Third: Some things are Public activities. Others are Private activities. The Internet is a Public space. The rules governing the public sphere apply here. Rights to pirvacy only apply to the Private sphere (ie the home...if you own it).
See the point above. Also, if you are in your own home, it is considered private, but if you use the internet out of your home, it is considered public? If I am watching tv at home, is that considered "private space", why should the Internet or a computer be any differant?
I did play the CB high school Quake3 death match, but I wouldn't want to tell my boss about it. I downloaded it and played it at home "private space", but some how in your weird world, this information should be avaiable to anyone that wants it?
Watch out for where your analogies lead.
Uh, you mean to my orignal point?
Tom
Hi Tom. What is your Social Security Number? My name is Jack^H^H^H^H Jerry btw, nice to meet you.
Cause we like to look at p0rn online. Why do you want privacy in the real world? Can I put a 24/7 live cams all over your house? Do you mind if you have to use open and public restrooms, or would you want a little privacy when you where about to drop a steamy load of crap?
Next time you and your girlfreind have sex, can I watch? Oh you would want some privacy in the real world, for some reason you think you are entitled to it... what ever gave you that idea?
(half the above post is loaded with sacarism, the other half is pepsi, can you tell the differance? Take the pepsi challenge)
I have been wondering this for a while. You know how people say "If you want to host mp3's just get a server in Zembobway where they don't have copyright laws"
The Theory:
Get an off US shore country without a lot of (sometimes stupid) laws on telecommunications and the Internet, like for example any thrid world country where the United States doesn't have any jugisdicition or power. Setup a Network Solutions-like hosting company and sell domains names to US citizens.
For example, if peta.org wasn't registor with an United States company, what could they do? Put it under your cousins name that lives in Canada.
What really could they do, it is not hosted in the United States or by a US company, it isn't owned by a US citizen or even a person that lives in the states, so where could they get the "right" (legally) to do this?
Just wondering, I though this was a really good idea, kinda like a loop hole, anyone see any problems or advantages to this?
Also if anyone wants to try this business plan out, please contact me.
Suse 5.3 had a small ass cardboard box, and it was STUFFED to the rim with a 500 page manual, stickers, and 4 (6??) CDs, 2 floppy disks and a few leaflets of paper. When they release 6.3 the box got a lot bigger, but the contents stayed about the same, they even had to put in a card board insert to keep the box from falling over on it's self.
The debian disks I got from cheapbytes though where a cd-rom in a plastic flexable cd-cover.
The newest version of GNU ls I download a couple months ago contained no packaging what so ever!!
Cardboard isn't bad, you can make it into multch and/or it will decay naturally, platic and things that do NOt decay are what to watch out for. It won't mind me one bit if Microsoft made a cardboard box the size of a card for there software, because that cardboard box can be reused, and if it isn't reused, it goes back to the planet naturally, nothing wrong with that. But if they had an over size radioactive nuclear plastic non-decayable cell sturcted box, what would make me somewhat upset.
Please read the post directly above yours or go to " hello operator -- at anonymous ftp site".
ever notice OpenBSD shirts and cd cases are lame. I use OpenBSD and really like it, but the "image" it puts off reminds me of a badly made ceral box..
I'll admit though, there is one thing that BSD has that Linux does not. Girls looked damned good in skin tight, red leather and tiny red horns.
Ok, I will admit that, but have you ever seen girls in over sized pengiun outfits eating raw bloody fish?
Can you really get quad 486 motherboards? What about 16 proc orginal pentium boards, that would be cool.
defacto servers in 90% of the enterprise market
Sadly yes. But do you think this is because Sun Sales Managers and PR reps brother the CEO and stroke him off, or do you think it is because the CEO knows what he is talking about on a techinal level?
Go up to any CEO and say "Sun Microsystems", they will say "The Dot in the Dot com people, right?", then say "OpenBSD Project" and they will say "So that is S&M Sex, right?"
It is not because Solaris is a better OS (which it is a DAM FINE one), but because Sun has a bettering marketing powers over CEO's that could even rival Microsofts PR (in some cases). What marketing power does OpenBSD have? A blurb on slashdot and maybe someone in #linux at 4 oclock in the morning saying something about it.
Just because something has a lot of users doesn't mean it is good *COUGH*****COUGH*
Solaris is good, but don't rate it basiced on number of users, basic it on techinal facts...
WTF slash ate my comment! Dammit, oh wow just found a bug, anyways the above post should of said:
Are you trolling? Solaris is System V, OpenBSD is BSD, SunOS is BSD...
OpenBSD is based off NetBSD, which NetBSD is based of BSD Lite 4.4, which comes without restrications or royalties.
Solaris was based (and extremely hacked up) from SunOS, which SunOS was based off (help me here) BSD Fat(??) less than 4.4 code (before all the lawsuits) in which Sun pay a one time huge (undisclosed) amount to AT&T to use AT&T/BSD code.
I don't see how you make the connection from Solaris OpenBSD
Are you trolling? Solaris is System V, OpenBSD is BSD, SunOS is BSD...
OpenBSD is based off NetBSD, which NetBSD is based of BSD Lite 4.4, which comes without restrications or royalties.
Solaris was based (and extremely hacked up) from SunOS, which SunOS was based off (help me here) BSD Fat(??) OpenBSD
Even if you are under NDA, go to your contractor and say "Hey our products uses OpenBSD, OpenBSD has some problems, here they are *3* count em *3* vulnerabilites, can I place in a bug report with the OpenBSD so that they will fix them and make our product run better?"
Any your contractor will say "*3*, you mean *3* vulnerabilites !?!?"
And you say "*3* count em *3*, I said *3*, count em again *3* vulnerabilites, do you care if I put in *3* could em *3* bug reports to the OpenBSD team?"
And your contractor will say "*3* why *3* bug reports?"
And you say "*3* count em *3* bug reports because there are *3* count em *3* bugs to report and you can't put it on *1* count it *1* bug report, it has to be *3* count em *3* differant and seprate bug reports"
And you contractor will say "Ok, as long as it makes our *1* count it *1* product run better under OpenBSD *2.7* count it *2.7*"
And if you contractor says no, call up Theo in the middle of the night from a pay phone (works best if it is raining and have this converastion)
You: "I seen how you did device drivers on the x86"
Theo: [yawning] "What, who is this, what do you want"
You: "I seen how you did your device drivers on the PC platform the x86"
Theo: "Good, why the hell are you calling so late, email me about it I will reply in the morning"
You: "You did it in x86 ASM launage, you thought no one would see it"
Theo: [nervous] "uh, uhhhh it was for preformance reasons"
You: "Ahh you didn't think anyone would go to the trouble of reading obfused x86 asm did you?"
Theo: "No what are you talking about, it wasn't mean, it was for performance reasons, who are you"
You: "like a seti@home, distrubated computing power, but you didn't think anyone would notice, it is in there theo, I have seen it, but you thought you could hide it, and guess what i can expolit it theo, you know what theo?"
Theo: "What do you want"
You: "The public has to know, they will know, I will make sure. One question though Theo? What does it do? I want the truth"
Theo: "You can't handle the truth"
You: "come on theo"
Theo: "It is a seti like process embedded in the x86 version dammit, it gathers data and processes usefull results, it was funded by the DOD"
You: "What type of results"
Theo: "It is processing a %100 high res movie of the effect of hot grits being poured down someone's pants, fluid dynamics, burn data, everything you would want to know"
Ok, zero-ing out the swap file is a good idea, but a couple of questions. What happens if the machine is shutdown unexpectly? For example, if you zero out the swap file in the shutdown run level, that is alright. But what if you say YANK the power cord from the wall, that bypasses the shutdown run level on the system and the swap is never zero-ed out?