No, I remeber it on the old Nintendo systems though
Did these guys just jump on the nerd-bus when it became profitable?
It is profitable? For who, I am still really fscking poor. I have been playing chess and tweaking on computer for years, I have sloved 90% of all the Final Fanasty series, where the fsck is my cash?
I wish I could get paid for coding perl and playing in muds, dam I think I was to early for the bus and fell asleep waiting for it, while some newbie made off with my pass bus
Contrary to popular belief, Microsoft is probably actualy nice to many of its employees.
I know one of my freinds that works there (Microsoft) and he knows the "dirty tricks" MS trends to play with it's enemies, but from my freind: MS is extremely loyal to it's freinds (employees). My freind claims to make 2 times for sys admin work then any other company was willing to pay, and the longer employees work their, the more benifits they receive. Sure, most people look at Microsoft as a "stable" job that is sure to be there for awhile, it isn't as sexy as a "startup pre-ipo Linux company", but if you have a wife and kids, sometimes risk isn't the best thing.
He claims it is a really postive and uplifting place to work in, he says MS does take care of it's employees and maintains loyalies between them.
Sure they make Crappy Software and in that sense, socially non-responsible, but proving a decent to great workplace, in that sense they are socially responsible.
Not that I use or work for MS or anything, just stating information my freind gave me (which probably isn't worth a whole lot of/.:)
I did awhile back see a "game girls" site on the web, that was basically like all the men's game site but didn't have Lara Croft posted everywhere and the maturity level seemed a bit higher then the most other sites. They had quake2 servers listed, forums, downloads, cheats, things like that, but was targeted more towards mature women (note: it did NOT have lara croft posted everywhere).
I also hate those people that think a Quake2 deathmath really means IRC. WTF is that about, running around fraging people and someone is filling your screen up with
"So where are you from?" "a/l/s?" "a/l/s?" "a/l/s?" "Do you play here a lot?" "You still here?" "You still here?" "What school do you go to?" "a/l/s?"
I see your point. I have purposed in the past that there should be a "Flame board" on slashdot where all the "grits" trolls could got and "get off" on annoying the crap out of each other.
Some people are assholes, plan and simple, but sometimes people that are lacked in the HCP seem to be labeled as assholes just because they don't say much or have a need to commuicate as much as their "normal" peers.
For the real assholes, I think they are just kids being kids, trust me though they will grow out of it. Try to stay away from #hAx0Rs and #grits on irc.
I also enjoy talking to women more then men, but I don't know if this is related or ontopic.
Most men are immature and act like jackasses (myself included in this), but what is comes down to is that socializing and communications are nothing more then learned skills, the same ways x86 asm and C++ are learned skills.
Anything in this world worth learning, (wheather it be Perl or the ability to make small talk) comes at a price. Do you think Alan Cox just woke up one day and said "Dam I got some mad kernel hacking skills", did you just wake up one morning and say "Dam I got some mad HCP (Human Communication Protocol) skills"
If you REALLY are dedicated to learning something, others things have to take a lower priroity. If I wanted to learn Nuclear Physics and was really into learning everything about it, some of my time dedicated to computers would have to be cut short to allocate more time for Nuclear Physic, this to me would be a BIG trade off, since I really enjoy about computers. But say, for instance I have ALL this time I perceive as "wasted" by "meaninglessly" watching TV, I could cut this short, giving my time in learning about NP.
But in this explain above, when my freinds start talking about the XYZ show on Fox last night, I will be totally lost because I didn't watch TV last night. I didn't think it was important, so my freinds view me as LAME because I think that time is better allocated to NP research.
The same goes for anyone, if I (or anyone else) feels that their time is being wasted by socialing in RL with freinds, then they are going to "cut" this time down so more time is allocated to something more simlauting to them (CS for example). The good side, they become more educated in the nature for 1's and 0's, the bad thing, is that they don't develop socially or emotoinally and their communications skills will be decreased to an immature/jackass state to very awkward and creepy.
It comes down to "what gets you off". Some people are more acceptable to emotional simuli while yet others are very acceptable to intellectual simuli. People will gravity towards what "gets them off". If "small talk" can just "make your day", then good for you, get off on that. If "quick shell script hack" can just "make your day", then good for you, get off on that.
But the thing people have trouble understadning, is what gets you off, may not get me off. Just because someone gets off on intellectual simuli oposed to emotional simuli does not mean they are a bad person, it does not mean they should be riducled and humalited, just because they like 1's and 0's more then small talk doesn't mean they are a bad person and should die, it just means they are into something other then yourself.
>>"Women are just more amusing for me to socialize with than men...."
Go "get off" on women then and stop flaming geeks for "getting off" on 1's and 0's.
(and i think there is a limited to how much you can say "get off" in one post without being overaly offense, sorry my lack of the HCP left me without an appoirate word to use)
"I guess a lot of [us] don't care about the programming code any more than we need to see the insides of the TV before we use it," said Ginger, posting from ROCKRGRL.com, a Chickclick sister site. "The technology is important because it enables us to be here. But I don't care all that deeply how it really works."
If you asked a guy that question, %90 of them will return a "Yea I REALLY want to know how it works. I want to know what is inside, I want to see the source." The other %10 will say, "yea the Internet has free Porn, and that is a good thing."
So (feeding into sterotypes(I know this is wrong, but just for fun)) why is it women are more intersted in the 'community' aspect of it while guys are more inserted in the 'what makes it work' aspect.
It is the way we where built? Are the chemicals flowing though the male brain THAT much differant then the chemicals flowing though the female brain. Are female brain constructed or wired so DIFFERANTLY then a males brain of the SAME biology species?
This based off stero-typing, so I am glad it isn't true. But, just one point, I have yet to meet a women that was learning about computer to learn about computers. The only women I personally have meet that where learning computer, was because of another reason (job requirement, school, required class, etc).
Also (from personal expeirnce) most men just don't talk to talk, they talk for another reason (information gather/sharing, interview, personal freedoms/rights). Most men (including myself) can't just sit down and "talk", they have to have some reason behind it, like learning/enlighting about an issuse. To be honest with you all, this post, isn't a post to just "talk" or to be part of your "community" (your community sucks, dam grits trolls), I have a secert motive, I want to learn "why" there is such a gender gap in computers?
the CIA DO bug the telephones of the mentally ill. It is just no one believe that the CIA would be doing such a thing or they believe that the mental ill person is just paranoia!
I am not joking. The CIA knows this, and that is why they keep on doing it, because they know it is a safe and that they (CIA) won't get caught.
The Mentally ill are easy targets for phone taps. This is not a joke, i am not tring to get "funny" karama or anything, the CIA does tap phones and people need to know this and not write it off as a paranio-ed disilluation.
If you don't think that serotonin, norepinephrine or dopamine affect your experience in a real way, why don't you eat a sheet of acid or a few peyote buttons and post a summary back here?
Ok now what? I like the javascript and animated gifs slash has changed to. Nice how you got a version of netscape running inside of IE inside of opera, so cold...
I heard Bill Gates was a really nice guy in person, maybe we should all use Windows95 for high profile web sites. I meet Steve Jobs once, he was really polite, so I switched all my web servers/databases over to MacOS 6.5!
Who really cares?!? DeRaat seems to care a lot about code quality, security and a "job well done", just because he lacks on socail skills or doesn't obey social norms doesn't mean he is a bad person.
This is offtopic, but I think everyone in the world is a prick. But there is 2 types of people in this world, the assholes that let you know they are assholes, and then their are assholes that try to hide the fact they are assholes. Honestity or social acceptance though lies? Which is the worst of the two evils?
2) The filesystem sucks raw ass. Even mounted noatime and.. whatever else the other mount option is to make things faster..:P.. it's slow as hell
True, it's FS performance isn't in to "Top 10", but they do this for a reason. The OS has a "security first" policy, which means performance might have to come in second, or fourth... : )
IIRC the man reason they do it is to prevent data corruptions. IIRC it writes all data ASAP, where other OSes tend to write it when the hard drive is not busy (keeps it in RAM). If you write the data ASAP, if it crashes %99.9 of the time all data will have to flushed to disk unlike other OSes. If the data is still in RAM when your system crashes, there is a chance that it will not be recoverable.
It doesn't make it the fastest FS in the west, but it should hopefully save you some headaches when the power goes out.
True SMP on OpenBSD is like a niche market inside a niche market! I really respect the OpenBSD group, and they seem to have their hands full with code auditing, kernel hacking, OpenSSH, driver support, checking/verfify default programs security/stablity. Now they want to take on SMP support!?! : ) I think we should all donate some jolt cola/coffee to their cause : )
I would understand and still respect them if they didn't take on SMP support. I will keep using OpenBSD regardless if it supports SMP or not.
On Linux (and other System V Unii) you can make a "fake" wheel group without any real hacking. In "/etc/group", make the group wheel, put all users in this group that are allowed to su into root. (`vi/etc/group`) After you have done that, change the group on `/bin/su` (or `/usr/sbin/su`) to group 'wheel' (`chgrp wheel/usr/sbin/su`). Then change the permission on the `su` command to 4750 (`chmod 4750/usr/sbin/su`) and when users that don't belong to the wheel group they will get a permission denied error. There is probably ways around this, and I don't think it is as secure as the *BSD `su` command, but it can be some what usefull at times.
Was...just released a BSOD exploit on bugtraq. The BSOD is run with admin privelages to get the main memory dump to print out, by exploiting bsod.exe with a buffer over flow you can insert random ASM codes that are run with admin privelages/access. The code will have to fork before the memory dump and it can only run as long as it takes for the memory dump to the screen, at that time the machine is locked/freezed (not on purpose) and no more code can be executed till a reboot.
If you can fork of fast enough and wipe the mbr before the bsod is done dumping core, this exploit could have dangerous effects.
I don't think most people think "have to have a firewall", most people have a couple personal computers (see college) running off one Internet connection (see cable mode/dsl) and setup NAT or a proxy to services all the machines though one connection. See they are going the 1 IP address, 3 college buddies that want Internet access, "might as well" put up a strong firewall, just for "extra" security. Just having a firewall doesn't insure security, but having a firewall as "bonus" security can work out well. Plus some people just like to learn how to do it because they are bored, curious or find it Intersting.
If setup properly and configured properly it can add extra security to your network and might save your ass if you misconfigure or have a buggy deamon/wrapper on your system. I view firewalls as "just in case" security. It does piss me off though when people just have nothing but a firewall and claim to be complete secure, it takes more than a firewall to lock down a network, but a properly setup firewall can't hurt.
I got 2.6 awhile a go, setup my bios (i386) to boot from CD-ROM, put the CD-ROM in booted, it booted from CD-ROM, it asked me how to setup the hard drive (really simple, "kinda" like Linux fdisk), setup the hard drive, selected what packages where to be installed, setup hostname, etc. Done, it worked.
If you can do a Linux install you can do a OpenBSD install without any docs. They include a cd-"cover" pull out that explains all the steps of the setup, but rarely would it be used.
If you can install Linux you can install OpenBSD. After it is booted it sends you an email telling you to do a couple things to configure the system and the man page 'afterboot' explains other things that need to be done (setup mail, if this is going to be a mail server, and gives you "leads" on how to do it).
By far, OpenBSD has the best man pages of ANY Unix out there. There isn't allot of document, I will admit, but the documents on it are VERY well written and current. Quality not quanity, should be OpenBSD's motto for their docs.
I though that OpenBSD was going to be a really hard system to work with, because 'easy-to-use == insecure (see: Windows)', but really OpenBSD is _clean_, if you do it right, it will work, no questions asked, it won't core dump any of the default programs, a daemon won't suddenly "disappear". Setup it, config it, secure it, re-check it, leave it in the server room for 6 months at a time without worry.
The other thing that I notice is that OpenBSD feels like "real" Unix. Once in awhile when I am hacking on it via the console (don't have X installed on it (it does come with X though, just didn't install it)) I feel and think "WOW! this must have been what it felt like for the "orginal" (read old school) Unix hackers seen, touched, tasted, this is what it was probably like 20 years around when real men edited everything though `vi` and not some nice pretty GUI widget tool. They had `vi` and `man` and didn't bitch or moan about the complexity of it, but did it for the love of it and seen past all of it and became one with their machine, and understood the system and just didn't point and click pretty widgets" or sometimes I get into the "power trip" mode and become more aware of security issuses.
I used OpenBSD as servers, haven't tried them as desktops, use Linux for my workstation/desktop/personal computer, KDE is really nice, and Linux has allot of typical "user" programs. I won't recommened OpenBSD as a desktop/personal computer to my mom, but I would recommened it to anyone that either wants a secure server that is _clean_ or someone that wants to learn about security or learn how to old school Unix geeks did it (hint `vi` was there editor, the only documents they had where in `man`, Perl/shell scripting wasn't concerned real programming (for the record I am NOT a real programmer:(
I like it, it has it's place. They say OpenBSD is a niche market, it is hard to believe that "security" and doing things the Right Way, to get the best possiable stable code, is consider a niche market. Just because something works, doesn't mean that it is Right. If something works, it can go faster, stay up longer, be more secure. Nothing is prefect, some claim otherwise (see: Microsoft), but no matter how good something it is, it can be better. I get the impress that the OpenBSD group is really doing it for the love of their OS, they are doing it because they enjoy doing it, they do it because it is the Right Way to do it. (I am not part of the OpenBSD development team, and these MAY not be their reasons for working on OpenBSD, this is just my personal impression of them, I could be wrong)
I highly respect all the OpenBSD development members and their OS is extremely put together in a _clean_ and _secure_ fashion, my hat is off to them!
(note: I am not on the OpenBSD team, and the only thing I get from OpenBSD is a secure system. I am not FUDing Linux, {Net|Free}BSD or other Unii, they all have there place, right now it is OpenBSD turn to be in the "spot light" (see: slashdotted:)
Claim the machine is a "test bed" for new software and services that you wish to test out on a non-productive machine before you slap version "0.0.0.1 ALPHA root admin made easy" on your high profile web server. It is a test system and it being re-installed all the time, to try new OS and new version of software so you can avoid installed a new version of XYZ software that hasn't been though tested with your setup.
Since it is always being (re)installed with new software/OSes, just claim security was "layed back", because it wasn't meant to be a high profile server, but an internal test bed and due to this a lot of security was "forgot about" since it wasn't a mission crtical server.
At home I have an old 486, and I try allot of new software on there, in the last six months it has had about 5 differant OS on it, just to test them out, and aton of differant software that I didn't want to put on my workstation till I knew it was bug-free and didn't pose a risk to my workstation (since it has all my documents stored locally). If someone cracked this machine, I won't care, and won't really be surpised.
True. You don't go onto IRC and say "Hey will someone help me crack this machine?" err excuse me, I mean "hELp hAx0r thA MAcHInE @ 192.168.17.0"
You setup the machine on the network, don't advertise it to be cracked and put a warning message in the MOTD or something like that, that says "Do not access this machine without permission or you will be punished under law XYZ of the USA"
If you park your car and leave the doors unlocked in a public place and go inside and film it with a camera, if someone breaks in, they broke in, you didn't "fool" them into taking your car, you just made it alittle easier for them to take it.
True, this IS a private company, they can accept or deny customers or services on any thing they see fit. The people at McDonalds CAN and WILL kick your ass out of their building, IF you are saying something they don't agree with. For example, if you say FUCK YOU THESE HAMBURGERS SUCK at a McDonalds restaurnat they CAN and WILL throw your ass out of there. The goverment isn't doing this, it is a private company. If you going a McDonalds restarnat for service (large coke, fries, hamburger) and you start slanging them (or they think you will) by being abusive (even if it really isn't, but it is how THEY see it, not you) by saying things like "don't eat here, the food sucks" McDonalds DOES have the right to say, "please leave sir, we do not tolerate that type of launage here".
The goverment isn't going this, it is a private comapany. I am going into McDonalds today and tell them that their hamburgers have green meat and turn off their customers, I will start yelling at the top of my lungs "McDonalds sucks, they food is horriable and it cause cancer". When they kick me out, I will post it to slashdot.
But in this case, they kicked them out BEFORE they did anything 'abusive'. If I got to McDonalds after they have kicked me out a couple times, they will thing "ok, here comes that crazy nut, hey Bob stop him at the door and don't let me come inside, he will start trouble." They can and will do this, they are a private company, just like a pub or bar, they can and will throw out people they think with be distrub or have the potenial to be distrubive in the near furture.
Even if it is unfair or unjustice, this is a private company and they also have freedoms, like FREEDOM to deny service to abusive or distrubive customers or customer they think will be abusive or distrubive in the furture. This private companies freedom should NOT be compermised for your freedom. Get a differant ISP and stop whinning to slashdot.
Please let me speak to the person in charge of the Internet
I am the System Admin, the techinal contact for this ISP, can I help you with something
So you are the one in charge of the Internet?
No sir, but I am the techinal contact for this ISP if you are having a problem connecting, I can help you, if you have a billing problem I can transfer you to the billing department.
Listen, who is your boss
I can get you my superviser, she is the Manager of this division
So she is the one that owns the Internet, let me speak with her
one momemt...
Or my favorite:
I don't have a CD-ROM drive, so could you send the Internet out on floppy disk
I will send you all the software needed to connect up and use our Internet services that we offer via floppy disk.
What do you mean 'connect up'
You dial up onto our modem racks which will connect you to the Internet.
How am I supose to call your modem rack when I am tying up the phone line with you!!! Please help me get the Internet, I have to do a research paper and it is due tommorrow.
Take it out. There is 2 groups of people, those that want stablity and those that want speed. The great thing about Unix and Open Source Software, is that you can have your choice.
You want stability? Remove the fearture. Problem sloved. You want to put your coffee maker driver and external game boy driver into the kernel, and process the number of times your door bell rings, in the kernel space? Put it in, it is open, free and if someone doesn't like it, they will remove it.
They might just go with SuSE 7.0 when the kernel is ready for "prime time"
SuSE does release a lot really quickly, I have used it from 5.3, and can't decide if this is a good thing ("release often") or a bad thing ("bleeding edge software contains the most bugs")
Now that Apache has been released for their PalmOS, they have just enough buzzwords in their company description to go public. Today, they obtain: Apache, OpenSource and HTTP. They where really hoping for the buzzword 'Linux', but developers are still working on the port.
CEO Jim E. Prefertion was quoted as saying "Due to the release of Apache, the number 1 web server on the Internet, PalmOS is now going to change direction, go public, and compete head on with the major Internet players, like Sun, Linux and Microsoft."
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Populous on their Genesis.
No, I remeber it on the old Nintendo systems though
Did these guys just jump on the nerd-bus when it became profitable?
It is profitable? For who, I am still really fscking poor. I have been playing chess and tweaking on computer for years, I have sloved 90% of all the Final Fanasty series, where the fsck is my cash?
I wish I could get paid for coding perl and playing in muds, dam I think I was to early for the bus and fell asleep waiting for it, while some newbie made off with my pass bus
Contrary to popular belief, Microsoft is probably actualy nice to many of its employees.
I know one of my freinds that works there (Microsoft) and he knows the "dirty tricks" MS trends to play with it's enemies, but from my freind: MS is extremely loyal to it's freinds (employees). My freind claims to make 2 times for sys admin work then any other company was willing to pay, and the longer employees work their, the more benifits they receive. Sure, most people look at Microsoft as a "stable" job that is sure to be there for awhile, it isn't as sexy as a "startup pre-ipo Linux company", but if you have a wife and kids, sometimes risk isn't the best thing.
He claims it is a really postive and uplifting place to work in, he says MS does take care of it's employees and maintains loyalies between them.
Sure they make Crappy Software and in that sense, socially non-responsible, but proving a decent to great workplace, in that sense they are socially responsible.
Not that I use or work for MS or anything, just stating information my freind gave me (which probably isn't worth a whole lot of
LOL
Ok I hear you now loud and clear.
I did awhile back see a "game girls" site on the web, that was basically like all the men's game site but didn't have Lara Croft posted everywhere and the maturity level seemed a bit higher then the most other sites. They had quake2 servers listed, forums, downloads, cheats, things like that, but was targeted more towards mature women (note: it did NOT have lara croft posted everywhere).
I also hate those people that think a Quake2 deathmath really means IRC. WTF is that about, running around fraging people and someone is filling your screen up with
"So where are you from?"
"a/l/s?"
"a/l/s?"
"a/l/s?"
"Do you play here a lot?"
"You still here?"
"You still here?"
"What school do you go to?"
"a/l/s?"
ARGG get away from me.
flamebait!!! -1? WTF that was praise for a good comment and I didn't have any mod points man.
I see your point. I have purposed in the past that there should be a "Flame board" on slashdot where all the "grits" trolls could got and "get off" on annoying the crap out of each other.
Some people are assholes, plan and simple, but sometimes people that are lacked in the HCP seem to be labeled as assholes just because they don't say much or have a need to commuicate as much as their "normal" peers.
For the real assholes, I think they are just kids being kids, trust me though they will grow out of it. Try to stay away from #hAx0Rs and #grits on irc.
I also enjoy talking to women more then men, but I don't know if this is related or ontopic.
Most men are immature and act like jackasses (myself included in this), but what is comes down to is that socializing and communications are nothing more then learned skills, the same ways x86 asm and C++ are learned skills.
Anything in this world worth learning, (wheather it be Perl or the ability to make small talk) comes at a price. Do you think Alan Cox just woke up one day and said "Dam I got some mad kernel hacking skills", did you just wake up one morning and say "Dam I got some mad HCP (Human Communication Protocol) skills"
If you REALLY are dedicated to learning something, others things have to take a lower priroity. If I wanted to learn Nuclear Physics and was really into learning everything about it, some of my time dedicated to computers would have to be cut short to allocate more time for Nuclear Physic, this to me would be a BIG trade off, since I really enjoy about computers. But say, for instance I have ALL this time I perceive as "wasted" by "meaninglessly" watching TV, I could cut this short, giving my time in learning about NP.
But in this explain above, when my freinds start talking about the XYZ show on Fox last night, I will be totally lost because I didn't watch TV last night. I didn't think it was important, so my freinds view me as LAME because I think that time is better allocated to NP research.
The same goes for anyone, if I (or anyone else) feels that their time is being wasted by socialing in RL with freinds, then they are going to "cut" this time down so more time is allocated to something more simlauting to them (CS for example). The good side, they become more educated in the nature for 1's and 0's, the bad thing, is that they don't develop socially or emotoinally and their communications skills will be decreased to an immature/jackass state to very awkward and creepy.
It comes down to "what gets you off". Some people are more acceptable to emotional simuli while yet others are very acceptable to intellectual simuli. People will gravity towards what "gets them off". If "small talk" can just "make your day", then good for you, get off on that. If "quick shell script hack" can just "make your day", then good for you, get off on that.
But the thing people have trouble understadning, is what gets you off, may not get me off. Just because someone gets off on intellectual simuli oposed to emotional simuli does not mean they are a bad person, it does not mean they should be riducled and humalited, just because they like 1's and 0's more then small talk doesn't mean they are a bad person and should die, it just means they are into something other then yourself.
>>"Women are just more amusing for me to socialize with than men...."
Go "get off" on women then and stop flaming geeks for "getting off" on 1's and 0's.
(and i think there is a limited to how much you can say "get off" in one post without being overaly offense, sorry my lack of the HCP left me without an appoirate word to use)
"I guess a lot of [us] don't care about the programming code any more than we need to see the insides of the TV before we use it," said Ginger, posting from ROCKRGRL.com, a Chickclick sister site. "The technology is important because it enables us to be here. But I don't care all that deeply how it really works."
If you asked a guy that question, %90 of them will return a "Yea I REALLY want to know how it works. I want to know what is inside, I want to see the source." The other %10 will say, "yea the Internet has free Porn, and that is a good thing."
So (feeding into sterotypes(I know this is wrong, but just for fun)) why is it women are more intersted in the 'community' aspect of it while guys are more inserted in the 'what makes it work' aspect.
It is the way we where built? Are the chemicals flowing though the male brain THAT much differant then the chemicals flowing though the female brain. Are female brain constructed or wired so DIFFERANTLY then a males brain of the SAME biology species?
This based off stero-typing, so I am glad it isn't true. But, just one point, I have yet to meet a women that was learning about computer to learn about computers. The only women I personally have meet that where learning computer, was because of another reason (job requirement, school, required class, etc).
Also (from personal expeirnce) most men just don't talk to talk, they talk for another reason (information gather/sharing, interview, personal freedoms/rights). Most men (including myself) can't just sit down and "talk", they have to have some reason behind it, like learning/enlighting about an issuse. To be honest with you all, this post, isn't a post to just "talk" or to be part of your "community" (your community sucks, dam grits trolls), I have a secert motive, I want to learn "why" there is such a gender gap in computers?
the CIA DO bug the telephones of the mentally ill. It is just no one believe that the CIA would be doing such a thing or they believe that the mental ill person is just paranoia!
I am not joking. The CIA knows this, and that is why they keep on doing it, because they know it is a safe and that they (CIA) won't get caught.
The Mentally ill are easy targets for phone taps. This is not a joke, i am not tring to get "funny" karama or anything, the CIA does tap phones and people need to know this and not write it off as a paranio-ed disilluation.
If you don't think that serotonin, norepinephrine or dopamine affect your experience in a real way, why don't you eat a sheet of acid or a few peyote buttons and post a summary back here?
Ok now what? I like the javascript and animated gifs slash has changed to. Nice how you got a version of netscape running inside of IE inside of opera, so cold...
I can't draw circles, they come out all oval, or egg like. Can I use squares? What color canyon should I use. Golly-gee thanks Mr. Wizard.
Forgot about `ed` : ) `vi` is really full feartured now that I think about it.
What is 'PEDANTIC'? is that some sort of flame?
I heard Bill Gates was a really nice guy in person, maybe we should all use Windows95 for high profile web sites. I meet Steve Jobs once, he was really polite, so I switched all my web servers/databases over to MacOS 6.5!
Who really cares?!? DeRaat seems to care a lot about code quality, security and a "job well done", just because he lacks on socail skills or doesn't obey social norms doesn't mean he is a bad person.
This is offtopic, but I think everyone in the world is a prick. But there is 2 types of people in this world, the assholes that let you know they are assholes, and then their are assholes that try to hide the fact they are assholes. Honestity or social acceptance though lies? Which is the worst of the two evils?
2) The filesystem sucks raw ass. Even mounted noatime and.. whatever else the other mount option is to make things faster..
True, it's FS performance isn't in to "Top 10", but they do this for a reason. The OS has a "security first" policy, which means performance might have to come in second, or fourth... : )
IIRC the man reason they do it is to prevent data corruptions. IIRC it writes all data ASAP, where other OSes tend to write it when the hard drive is not busy (keeps it in RAM). If you write the data ASAP, if it crashes %99.9 of the time all data will have to flushed to disk unlike other OSes. If the data is still in RAM when your system crashes, there is a chance that it will not be recoverable.
It doesn't make it the fastest FS in the west, but it should hopefully save you some headaches when the power goes out.
True SMP on OpenBSD is like a niche market inside a niche market! I really respect the OpenBSD group, and they seem to have their hands full with code auditing, kernel hacking, OpenSSH, driver support, checking/verfify default programs security/stablity. Now they want to take on SMP support!?! : ) I think we should all donate some jolt cola/coffee to their cause : )
I would understand and still respect them if they didn't take on SMP support. I will keep using OpenBSD regardless if it supports SMP or not.
On Linux (and other System V Unii) you can make a "fake" wheel group without any real hacking. In "/etc/group", make the group wheel, put all users in this group that are allowed to su into root. (`vi /etc/group`) After you have done that, change the group on `/bin/su` (or `/usr/sbin/su`) to group 'wheel' (`chgrp wheel /usr/sbin/su`). Then change the permission on the `su` command to 4750 (`chmod 4750 /usr/sbin/su`) and when users that don't belong to the wheel group they will get a permission denied error. There is probably ways around this, and I don't think it is as secure as the *BSD `su` command, but it can be some what usefull at times.
Was...just released a BSOD exploit on bugtraq. The BSOD is run with admin privelages to get the main memory dump to print out, by exploiting bsod.exe with a buffer over flow you can insert random ASM codes that are run with admin privelages/access. The code will have to fork before the memory dump and it can only run as long as it takes for the memory dump to the screen, at that time the machine is locked/freezed (not on purpose) and no more code can be executed till a reboot.
If you can fork of fast enough and wipe the mbr before the bsod is done dumping core, this exploit could have dangerous effects.
I don't think most people think "have to have a firewall", most people have a couple personal computers (see college) running off one Internet connection (see cable mode/dsl) and setup NAT or a proxy to services all the machines though one connection. See they are going the 1 IP address, 3 college buddies that want Internet access, "might as well" put up a strong firewall, just for "extra" security. Just having a firewall doesn't insure security, but having a firewall as "bonus" security can work out well. Plus some people just like to learn how to do it because they are bored, curious or find it Intersting.
If setup properly and configured properly it can add extra security to your network and might save your ass if you misconfigure or have a buggy deamon/wrapper on your system. I view firewalls as "just in case" security. It does piss me off though when people just have nothing but a firewall and claim to be complete secure, it takes more than a firewall to lock down a network, but a properly setup firewall can't hurt.
I got 2.6 awhile a go, setup my bios (i386) to boot from CD-ROM, put the CD-ROM in booted, it booted from CD-ROM, it asked me how to setup the hard drive (really simple, "kinda" like Linux fdisk), setup the hard drive, selected what packages where to be installed, setup hostname, etc. Done, it worked.
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If you can do a Linux install you can do a OpenBSD install without any docs. They include a cd-"cover" pull out that explains all the steps of the setup, but rarely would it be used.
If you can install Linux you can install OpenBSD. After it is booted it sends you an email telling you to do a couple things to configure the system and the man page 'afterboot' explains other things that need to be done (setup mail, if this is going to be a mail server, and gives you "leads" on how to do it).
By far, OpenBSD has the best man pages of ANY Unix out there. There isn't allot of document, I will admit, but the documents on it are VERY well written and current. Quality not quanity, should be OpenBSD's motto for their docs.
I though that OpenBSD was going to be a really hard system to work with, because 'easy-to-use == insecure (see: Windows)', but really OpenBSD is _clean_, if you do it right, it will work, no questions asked, it won't core dump any of the default programs, a daemon won't suddenly "disappear". Setup it, config it, secure it, re-check it, leave it in the server room for 6 months at a time without worry.
The other thing that I notice is that OpenBSD feels like "real" Unix. Once in awhile when I am hacking on it via the console (don't have X installed on it (it does come with X though, just didn't install it)) I feel and think "WOW! this must have been what it felt like for the "orginal" (read old school) Unix hackers seen, touched, tasted, this is what it was probably like 20 years around when real men edited everything though `vi` and not some nice pretty GUI widget tool. They had `vi` and `man` and didn't bitch or moan about the complexity of it, but did it for the love of it and seen past all of it and became one with their machine, and understood the system and just didn't point and click pretty widgets" or sometimes I get into the "power trip" mode and become more aware of security issuses.
I used OpenBSD as servers, haven't tried them as desktops, use Linux for my workstation/desktop/personal computer, KDE is really nice, and Linux has allot of typical "user" programs. I won't recommened OpenBSD as a desktop/personal computer to my mom, but I would recommened it to anyone that either wants a secure server that is _clean_ or someone that wants to learn about security or learn how to old school Unix geeks did it (hint `vi` was there editor, the only documents they had where in `man`, Perl/shell scripting wasn't concerned real programming (for the record I am NOT a real programmer
I like it, it has it's place. They say OpenBSD is a niche market, it is hard to believe that "security" and doing things the Right Way, to get the best possiable stable code, is consider a niche market. Just because something works, doesn't mean that it is Right. If something works, it can go faster, stay up longer, be more secure. Nothing is prefect, some claim otherwise (see: Microsoft), but no matter how good something it is, it can be better. I get the impress that the OpenBSD group is really doing it for the love of their OS, they are doing it because they enjoy doing it, they do it because it is the Right Way to do it. (I am not part of the OpenBSD development team, and these MAY not be their reasons for working on OpenBSD, this is just my personal impression of them, I could be wrong)
I highly respect all the OpenBSD development members and their OS is extremely put together in a _clean_ and _secure_ fashion, my hat is off to them!
(note: I am not on the OpenBSD team, and the only thing I get from OpenBSD is a secure system. I am not FUDing Linux, {Net|Free}BSD or other Unii, they all have there place, right now it is OpenBSD turn to be in the "spot light" (see: slashdotted
Claim the machine is a "test bed" for new software and services that you wish to test out on a non-productive machine before you slap version "0.0.0.1 ALPHA root admin made easy" on your high profile web server. It is a test system and it being re-installed all the time, to try new OS and new version of software so you can avoid installed a new version of XYZ software that hasn't been though tested with your setup.
Since it is always being (re)installed with new software/OSes, just claim security was "layed back", because it wasn't meant to be a high profile server, but an internal test bed and due to this a lot of security was "forgot about" since it wasn't a mission crtical server.
At home I have an old 486, and I try allot of new software on there, in the last six months it has had about 5 differant OS on it, just to test them out, and aton of differant software that I didn't want to put on my workstation till I knew it was bug-free and didn't pose a risk to my workstation (since it has all my documents stored locally). If someone cracked this machine, I won't care, and won't really be surpised.
True. You don't go onto IRC and say "Hey will someone help me crack this machine?" err excuse me, I mean "hELp hAx0r thA MAcHInE @ 192.168.17.0"
You setup the machine on the network, don't advertise it to be cracked and put a warning message in the MOTD or something like that, that says "Do not access this machine without permission or you will be punished under law XYZ of the USA"
If you park your car and leave the doors unlocked in a public place and go inside and film it with a camera, if someone breaks in, they broke in, you didn't "fool" them into taking your car, you just made it alittle easier for them to take it.
True, this IS a private company, they can accept or deny customers or services on any thing they see fit. The people at McDonalds CAN and WILL kick your ass out of their building, IF you are saying something they don't agree with. For example, if you say FUCK YOU THESE HAMBURGERS SUCK at a McDonalds restaurnat they CAN and WILL throw your ass out of there. The goverment isn't doing this, it is a private company. If you going a McDonalds restarnat for service (large coke, fries, hamburger) and you start slanging them (or they think you will) by being abusive (even if it really isn't, but it is how THEY see it, not you) by saying things like "don't eat here, the food sucks" McDonalds DOES have the right to say, "please leave sir, we do not tolerate that type of launage here".
The goverment isn't going this, it is a private comapany. I am going into McDonalds today and tell them that their hamburgers have green meat and turn off their customers, I will start yelling at the top of my lungs "McDonalds sucks, they food is horriable and it cause cancer". When they kick me out, I will post it to slashdot.
But in this case, they kicked them out BEFORE they did anything 'abusive'. If I got to McDonalds after they have kicked me out a couple times, they will thing "ok, here comes that crazy nut, hey Bob stop him at the door and don't let me come inside, he will start trouble." They can and will do this, they are a private company, just like a pub or bar, they can and will throw out people they think with be distrub or have the potenial to be distrubive in the near furture.
Even if it is unfair or unjustice, this is a private company and they also have freedoms, like FREEDOM to deny service to abusive or distrubive customers or customer they think will be abusive or distrubive in the furture. This private companies freedom should NOT be compermised for your freedom. Get a differant ISP and stop whinning to slashdot.
Please let me speak to the person in charge of the Internet
I am the System Admin, the techinal contact for this ISP, can I help you with something
So you are the one in charge of the Internet?
No sir, but I am the techinal contact for this ISP if you are having a problem connecting, I can help you, if you have a billing problem I can transfer you to the billing department.
Listen, who is your boss
I can get you my superviser, she is the Manager of this division
So she is the one that owns the Internet, let me speak with her
one momemt
Or my favorite:
I don't have a CD-ROM drive, so could you send the Internet out on floppy disk
I will send you all the software needed to connect up and use our Internet services that we offer via floppy disk.
What do you mean 'connect up'
You dial up onto our modem racks which will connect you to the Internet.
How am I supose to call your modem rack when I am tying up the phone line with you!!!
Please help me get the Internet, I have to do a research paper and it is due tommorrow.
Take it out. There is 2 groups of people, those that want stablity and those that want speed. The great thing about Unix and Open Source Software, is that you can have your choice.
You want stability? Remove the fearture. Problem sloved. You want to put your coffee maker driver and external game boy driver into the kernel, and process the number of times your door bell rings, in the kernel space? Put it in, it is open, free and if someone doesn't like it, they will remove it.
They might just go with SuSE 7.0 when the kernel is ready for "prime time"
SuSE does release a lot really quickly, I have used it from 5.3, and can't decide if this is a good thing ("release often") or a bad thing ("bleeding edge software contains the most bugs")
I like it, and still use it.
Now that Apache has been released for their PalmOS, they have just enough buzzwords in their company description to go public. Today, they obtain: Apache, OpenSource and HTTP. They where really hoping for the buzzword 'Linux', but developers are still working on the port.
CEO Jim E. Prefertion was quoted as saying "Due to the release of Apache, the number 1 web server on the Internet, PalmOS is now going to change direction, go public, and compete head on with the major Internet players, like Sun, Linux and Microsoft."