Much of '60s activism was powered by music. That's over. Today's musicians have near zero political effect.
Amongst stuff that's mainstream (and thus has more/better chance at any impact), Lady Gaga and the gays sure comes to mind as a counterpoint. [Forget whatever quality difference you may believe exists in the music itself. *]
[ * As a tangent to that, even if you are of the mind that such a difference prominently exists, keep in mind that we tend to remember really good old music and tend to forget really bad music; thus, we might tend to overrate the decade overall because of the rose-tinted glasses of memory.]
In any timeframe, I do ask if the activist music has an effect.
Nevertheless, I agree with your implied core point/assumption there, the power of musicians (which I generalized to most any category of entertainer) to get attention for $cause, if they use it for those purposes. It's an important phenomenon to comprehend.
[Some of today's successful activists are] purely self-interested, like gun owners and gays.
What would you say about those who are not in a particular group that are active for the interests/rights of that group? Nevertheless, it does seem logical that people who are actually in the group would be more likely to be more concerned.
* There might also be secondary self-interest, or something else besides general altruism, such as a heterosexual gay-rights activist who was inspired to it by having a best friend who happens to be a homosexual.
Another big question is: is it *against* your self-interest to agitate for a group you carry no self-interest in, or is otherwise neutral?
I have wondered what proportion of draft resisters were into high-minded pacifist morality, and how many were lazy/fearful/et cetera. Of course, it's possible to be both; also, people in category 2 may at least try to pass themselves off as being in category 1.
Granted, the RIAA doesn't *like* this either, but a lot of my portable is filled with files imported from CDs that I bought legally in physical form.
And I'm under 30.:P
BTW, I always saw/heard it as the software (the music files) as a relative loss leader to sell fancy hardware. Sounds like a fairly standard example of Apple's business model.
That's what I was thinking, that the passenger can pay attention to conditions as well and behave accordingly. I often shut up when Dad's trying to turn onto a busy road, for instance.
The caveat is that the passenger-side view is of course slightly different form the driver-side view, so neither would see everything.
The music fan is reminded me of the plane crashes that killed Buddy Holly et al in 1959 and key members of Lynyrd Skynyrd in 1977. Pilot error was a contributory factor to the crashes, and something seems poetic in the sense that the pilots of the respective planes were amongst the fatalities.
[This was not flying drunk, but rather other critical mistakes]
While blame can often be predominately assigned to one party or another, even the vast majority thereof, it just doesn’t make sense to assume that one party is _completely_ responsible and the other not. In a practical & tactical sense, does both sides need to agree to play along?
Then again, the tactical disagreements (how to address racism) could grow into strategic disagreements. (in this context, what to think of racism itself), and those with strategic issues might well try to downplay them as just tactical issues. However, I don’t want people with tactical disagreements tarred and feathered as having strategic disagreements.
Dominant/majority versus nondominant/minority is an interesting detail discussion. Yes, there are "interesting" demographic trends, with those in immigration being related to fertility trends you reference.
So, you're complaining that you're a child punished for the sins of a relative's father? Similarly, not all nonwhites descend from someone screwed by the past system.
Sure, $minority has historically been screwed, and $majority has not. However, is this a guarantee for the future?
However, "historically" is a key word. Things are hardly perfect today, but I think most anyone will find them to have been vastly improved. Thus, striking back at the people who are currently members of $majority seems to have “punish the child for the sins of the father” threads running through it
Also, “two wrongs don’t make a right” : "A doctrine of black supremacy is every bit as evil as one of white supremacy." - MLK
Bad tactical decisions by people in $minority may trigger backlash from people in $majority, thus in a practical sense not helping the situation. Even on moral issues, I strive to think realistically.
reminded of how one of my professors recalls meeting Geert Hofstead ("5 cultural dimensions" guy), and the prof said he got a positive comment on his presentation.
Indian Removal Act - hey, at least the name of the bill was honest about what it did.
BTW, I have long since seen a lot of the whitey-v-Indian stuff as a rather ugly war as opposed to genocide. Not the best behavior, to be sure, but not the Holocaust either.
Ah, I rememeber that being discussed around the time of the 2008 Olympics. I said "and that's like saying your air is cleaner than the air in Beijing" as a way to describe a statement that was technically accurate, but due to scope/scale, not very meaningful. Another such statement would be "that's like saying you rap better than Soulja Boy".
The paper citation would be useful, enabling those who are interested to chase it down. Likely these people who would be able to access the databases through their university or something.
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Much of '60s activism was powered by music. That's over. Today's musicians have near zero political effect.
Amongst stuff that's mainstream (and thus has more/better chance at any impact), Lady Gaga and the gays sure comes to mind as a counterpoint. [Forget whatever quality difference you may believe exists in the music itself. *]
[ * As a tangent to that, even if you are of the mind that such a difference prominently exists, keep in mind that we tend to remember really good old music and tend to forget really bad music; thus, we might tend to overrate the decade overall because of the rose-tinted glasses of memory.]
In any timeframe, I do ask if the activist music has an effect.
Nevertheless, I agree with your implied core point/assumption there, the power of musicians (which I generalized to most any category of entertainer) to get attention for $cause, if they use it for those purposes. It's an important phenomenon to comprehend.
[Some of today's successful activists are] purely self-interested, like gun owners and gays.
What would you say about those who are not in a particular group that are active for the interests/rights of that group?
Nevertheless, it does seem logical that people who are actually in the group would be more likely to be more concerned.
* There might also be secondary self-interest, or something else besides general altruism, such as a heterosexual gay-rights activist who was inspired to it by having a best friend who happens to be a homosexual.
Another big question is: is it *against* your self-interest to agitate for a group you carry no self-interest in, or is otherwise neutral?
I've heard it said that air power * can clear the ground to some extent, but Army and/or Marines have to go in to secure and hold it.
* and naval vessels for shore targets; for example, naval bombardment was an important precursor to WWII Marine landings.
I have wondered what proportion of draft resisters were into high-minded pacifist morality, and how many were lazy/fearful/et cetera. Of course, it's possible to be both; also, people in category 2 may at least try to pass themselves off as being in category 1.
Yes, even if the same nominal party remains in existence, the practical definitions thereof (in terms of political positions) have changed over time
Nazisploitation films?
Nah, that guy's a joker, I just took it as a sarcastic way of saying that I needed to shave.
Then again, sex is known to interfere with rational decision-making, so maybe my last line doesn't entirely apply.
Granted, the RIAA doesn't *like* this either, but a lot of my portable is filled with files imported from CDs that I bought legally in physical form.
And I'm under 30. :P
BTW, I always saw/heard it as the software (the music files) as a relative loss leader to sell fancy hardware. Sounds like a fairly standard example of Apple's business model.
That's what I was thinking, that the passenger can pay attention to conditions as well and behave accordingly.
I often shut up when Dad's trying to turn onto a busy road, for instance.
The caveat is that the passenger-side view is of course slightly different form the driver-side view, so neither would see everything.
The music fan is reminded me of the plane crashes that killed Buddy Holly et al in 1959 and key members of Lynyrd Skynyrd in 1977. Pilot error was a contributory factor to the crashes, and something seems poetic in the sense that the pilots of the respective planes were amongst the fatalities.
[This was not flying drunk, but rather other critical mistakes]
While blame can often be predominately assigned to one party or another, even the vast majority thereof, it just doesn’t make sense to assume that one party is _completely_ responsible and the other not. In a practical & tactical sense, does both sides need to agree to play along?
Then again, the tactical disagreements (how to address racism) could grow into strategic disagreements. (in this context, what to think of racism itself), and those with strategic issues might well try to downplay them as just tactical issues. However, I don’t want people with tactical disagreements tarred and feathered as having strategic disagreements.
Dominant/majority versus nondominant/minority is an interesting detail discussion.
Yes, there are "interesting" demographic trends, with those in immigration being related to fertility trends you reference.
I've been auto-kicked from IRC channels a couple times by typo'ing "account" as "acocunt"
There ought to be a Consbreastutional amendment addressing this problem...
Samuel Jackson beer, then?
It's good motherfucking beer; it'll get ya drunk
So, you're complaining that you're a child punished for the sins of a relative's father?
Similarly, not all nonwhites descend from someone screwed by the past system.
This *is* very interesting.
Sure, $minority has historically been screwed, and $majority has not. However, is this a guarantee for the future?
However, "historically" is a key word. Things are hardly perfect today, but I think most anyone will find them to have been vastly improved. Thus, striking back at the people who are currently members of $majority seems to have “punish the child for the sins of the father” threads running through it
Also, “two wrongs don’t make a right” : "A doctrine of black supremacy is every bit as evil as one of white supremacy." - MLK
Bad tactical decisions by people in $minority may trigger backlash from people in $majority, thus in a practical sense not helping the situation. Even on moral issues, I strive to think realistically.
I tried that once, kinda, and it was actually referred to (by one guy) as a 70s porn star mustache instead of a Hitler mustache
love the Office Space reference. However, it is a mundane detail, just with non-mundane implications.
in your commandline entries.
If Linux gets more popular, porn.wmv.exe is just going to become porn.ogg.rpm or something.
I don't think either of the sex analogies capture the "doing something stupid but don't know how stupid it is" essence.
reminded of how one of my professors recalls meeting Geert Hofstead ("5 cultural dimensions" guy), and the prof said he got a positive comment on his presentation.
Indian Removal Act - hey, at least the name of the bill was honest about what it did.
BTW, I have long since seen a lot of the whitey-v-Indian stuff as a rather ugly war as opposed to genocide. Not the best behavior, to be sure, but not the Holocaust either.
My lego creations were often militaristic, rarely if ever sexually perverted. :P
Ah, I rememeber that being discussed around the time of the 2008 Olympics. I said "and that's like saying your air is cleaner than the air in Beijing" as a way to describe a statement that was technically accurate, but due to scope/scale, not very meaningful. Another such statement would be "that's like saying you rap better than Soulja Boy".
PhD COmics link earlier in thread and now Cracked - goodbye evening. :)
The paper citation would be useful, enabling those who are interested to chase it down. Likely these people who would be able to access the databases through their university or something.