You've actually described a mission utility that had not occured to me. And its a valid one. Driving a rampant crowd off is more sensible than machine gunning a half dozen and then getting your embassy torched. Or doing nothing and still getting the embassy torched.
However...
My point was far more eloquently expressed by another poster: Once a government acquires a non-lethal means of actively interfering in the rights of citizens to assemble for the redress of grievances---the government WILL do so. And with greater frequency.
As both a former Marine infantrymen---well, Always A Marine, but you know what I mean---and a current raving liberal/. nerd I am curious about the utility of this weapon. And this whole line of "non-lethal" research.
Lethal weaponry is meant to effect immediate change through violent force. Political will to its ultimate ---and hopefully least used --- expression.
"Non-lethal" weaponry is about the maintenance of the status quo. "Preservation of order". "Humanitarian missions". "Curbing civil disorder".
Curious. Fascinating, Captain. Fascinating. Just a paranoid thought to chew on. And a statement of how military objectives and missions have changed.
For now, quelling "civil disorder" is outside the U.S. Of course, with the most militaristic police forces in the West it doesn't take a genius...
I would agree with the basic kernel (hah!) of this
argument: aolholes play games. games are for aolholes. whatever.
But coders play games as well. I am a complete lamer, but the manipulation and detail I can derive from linux is awesome. I am also a fanatic nerd gamer. So, I believe there is an inherent attraction between linux users who game (on winblows) and game coders who use linux. If I (as a lamer nerd) see Carmack coding in the raw as it were on linux, i am inclined to buy games for linux. An elite market of nerds to be true, but a market none the less.
If I could only get that beloved Falcon 4.0 on the 2.4 kernel...ah...and Seven would bring me my beer while I played with it...uh--Falcon, I meant. Falcon. Damn distracting daydreaming.
As long as mavericks like Carmack don't get bought up by JobsGates they can continue to develop in linux. I don't see Steve or Bill coding a damn thing these days.
These geeks code. The geeks buy games. The geeks drive game software / hardware market.
If you have nothing to hide...you have nothing to fear.
Don't feed the trolls but...
Are you freaking serious? There is no factor that renders "government" free of criminal intent. It only varies in the amount in which the particular government is criminal.
Oh christ...just forget it. If you were kidding, you are a clever satirist. If you were not kidding, you are eloquently describing my need to colonize another planet.
Yeah...the Plutonians...and the Grecians...and the Kosovanians.
What we need is compassionate astronomy. Comets hurled toward Earth by Pluto's gravity should be cared for and adopted --- not brutally diverted with nukes before they can ever smash a continent.
"I have a copy of Windoze, I use it regularly, and I refuse to pay for it because I am not convinced, not in the least, that it is worth a hundred
bucks; not to me, and not to most computer users. It is closed-system software, and it sucks."
You are on the jumppoint.
I paid for my first dose of MSFT. But since then...
Their scheme of forced obsolescence is obscene. The drive corps are trying to pull the same crap. "Well, you don't have a new CRMP/PMRC/RCMP ATA decoder standard...and we can't provide firmware upgrades...so...I am afraid that in order to enjoy this rich content you must upgrade hardware every 18 months."
Fuck that. The corps are now falling completely in line with each other. If content to hardware doesn't represent a vertical trust, I don't know what the hell does. If "consortia" such as MPAA and 4Cfuckall don't represent horizontal trusts---call me Teddy Roosevelt and piss on my pantleg. We have the worst of all worlds forming: cruciform. A crosslinkage of content providers and hardware manufacturers working in cabalistic harmony. No need to rescue Fox Mulder, kids, its happening. Cruciform trust linkage: we all get crucified.
Your point about the technological stupidity of this is crystalline: these efforts most likely can be hacked. The disturbing part is that every group that supposedly has the public interest in mind, consumer and citizen, DOES NOT.
Meanwhile we all scurry like ants to consider the hack. I like the climate of the hive better anyway...but this is getting ridiculous.
Yeah, I have to agree. The only image I got was Dana Carvey doing Shrub, Sr. :
"That's bad...bad!...BAD!...BAD!"
This guy was useless. I wanted a rally point---whom shalll we put pressure on.
He provided no real technical explanation, no point of focus toward protest effort, and basically said "Well, write off scsi, they're fucked anyhow...."
Thanks. With incoherent jibble like this, I don't need Shrub.
I guess the only answer is this:
There will be no help: no politicians, no corps, no Naderuseless groups of "protect the ATA whale" freaks. Sorry no dice. No help. Bought and sold.
So....
The only answer is coordinated subverted opposition and cooperation:
How do we proceed to build the hack.
I volunteer. I don't know a damn thing. But I'll volunteer the cycles and I'll shuttle emails, I'll be a dead drop for info passing. I don't care.
I am sick of the fed/corp screw.
END OF LINE, dammit! (Cartman voice)
State's right to restrict and define ethics and morality...
Employers right to reduce waste and conserve resources...
Just move...
ASK THE FRIKKIN COMMONWEALTH FOR AUTHORIZATION?
Blow me. I have a problem with asking the state if I may carry a gun. If you're wasting time at work: your employer should fire your ass. If you're in a comp lab strokin' it to Jenna J. and you embarrass yourself and people around you: you need 15 to 30 days for indecent exposure and general bad taste.
LISTEN UP: We (Human Beings In General (C)) should not have to ask THE STATE for goddamn permission to do things like this. By your leave? May I, Your Majesty? Might this serf beg an indulgence, m'lord?
Crap.
Everyone is wrapped in this christianright/pcleft/idon'twannagetfired/thestate isjustlookingoutforeverybody/companiescandowhatthe ywant BULLSHIT. Everyone---save the kids, now---wants to be treated as an independent thinking adult.
So quit trying to justify this crap couched in legal harangues.
Seriously.
In loco parentis for university faculty now?
Give me a fucking break.
The feds---and basically anyone with access to a press flack---has basically gone out of their minds.
I am simply going to have to start ignoring the laws wholesale. The U.S. government is completely abrogating its responsibility to be an instrument of the people and has become the implement for abusing the people.
Yeah de blah dah...I know I AM the government.
And I voted. And most of them lost. And the ones who won were mostly idiots anyway.
I am a snowflake on a glacier. And its pissing me off.
Screw it. The law has proven its stupidity. There ain't no justice. (Thank you, Mr. Niven.)
I am simply going to do everything to contravene stupid laws.
Mod this up. (Not MY post you boneheads, the one to which I am currently replying.)
What can we do?
Letters to ignorant and ineffectual representatives?
Calls to faceless and uncaring corporations?
Protests on the campuses of universities already co-opted and servants or The Corporate Good(TM)?
I'll slap you all if you brand me a marxist, kids, but this collectivization of power into The Hand of the FedAOLWarnerMSFTSonyishibaBMG MCP is giving me the creeps. The monolithization of supposedly capitalist free society is acquiring a remarkable resemblance to the Central Committee for the Economic Plan of the Supreme Soviet. Or whatever.
Are we (the geek (sp. homo sapiens technii)) to be reduced to dissidents? This crap about re-wiring drives sounds like samizdat tape and document exchanging students behind The Wall in the 70's. This is nuts. Wake up, folks. The revolution IS being televised: and its like a bath of hot sweet honey that flows over you then suddenly turns to molten steel and then shifts into concrete.
This is crazy. And there is no "public figure" advocate to fight this garbage. No "media celebrity", no true statesman, no leader, no Joan of Arc.
"Impressive. Most impressive."
Believe or not, your disputation moves me toward getting off my ass and getting my degree done---total time currently on the clock: 12 years+
Now if only it wasn't in polisci. rats.
But those who would cruisethehyper first must crawl, I suppose.
Better liberal art than a sharp stick in the eye.
But once I get the engineering...:
"I have a variable sword. I urge...caution."
I stand corrected.
Though...the snipe and Proxmire's party affiliation were not supposed to be...related...
You got me.
I read a quick bio on him. Makes me respect him. A bit.
I shot off on him because when you are a punk teenager remembering how he punched out against VLA searches in the 80's...it sticks.
Not enough self editing 15 years later.
...but...
Idle CPUs are Gopp allies.
Except when the CPUs are cracking encryption.
Or monitoring.
Or intercepting.
Or preevaluating psych profiles on 2 year olds who
are nationally dna libraried who are location monitored by satellite and.....
Only these "Acceptable Use" ACTIVE CPUs are Republican allies.
Rampant paranoia. But also my point.
>>
Actually...in a way...I would like it.
Sputnik drove the US to space.
>>
China on Pluto....
hmm...
U.S. Bussard?
U.S. Orion?
U.S. hyperdrive coolthing FTL neato?
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You've actually described a mission utility that had not occured to me. And its a valid one. Driving a rampant crowd off is more sensible than machine gunning a half dozen and then getting your embassy torched. Or doing nothing and still getting the embassy torched.
However...
My point was far more eloquently expressed by another poster: Once a government acquires a non-lethal means of actively interfering in the rights of citizens to assemble for the redress of grievances---the government WILL do so. And with greater frequency.
As both a former Marine infantrymen---well, Always A Marine, but you know what I mean---and a current raving liberal /. nerd I am curious about the utility of this weapon. And this whole line of "non-lethal" research.
Lethal weaponry is meant to effect immediate change through violent force. Political will to its ultimate ---and hopefully least used --- expression.
"Non-lethal" weaponry is about the maintenance of the status quo. "Preservation of order". "Humanitarian missions". "Curbing civil disorder".
Curious. Fascinating, Captain. Fascinating. Just a paranoid thought to chew on. And a statement of how military objectives and missions have changed.
For now, quelling "civil disorder" is outside the U.S. Of course, with the most militaristic police forces in the West it doesn't take a genius...
Oh man I wish I had some points.
This is the funniest post I've read in weeks.
Bravo!
As much as this pains me:
READ.
The point was that neither Jobs nor Gates actually writes code. Just like I don't. You doofus.
We all know Gates is Dr. Evil and Steve is only in it for the "purty of the art." Or hot Portman grits. Or whatever.
I would agree with the basic kernel (hah!) of this
argument: aolholes play games. games are for aolholes. whatever.
But coders play games as well. I am a complete lamer, but the manipulation and detail I can derive from linux is awesome. I am also a fanatic nerd gamer. So, I believe there is an inherent attraction between linux users who game (on winblows) and game coders who use linux. If I (as a lamer nerd) see Carmack coding in the raw as it were on linux, i am inclined to buy games for linux. An elite market of nerds to be true, but a market none the less.
If I could only get that beloved Falcon 4.0 on the 2.4 kernel...ah...and Seven would bring me my beer while I played with it...uh--Falcon, I meant. Falcon. Damn distracting daydreaming.
As long as mavericks like Carmack don't get bought up by JobsGates they can continue to develop in linux. I don't see Steve or Bill coding a damn thing these days.
These geeks code. The geeks buy games. The geeks drive game software / hardware market.
I think the suits are at a loss here.
Thank god.
If you have nothing to hide...you have nothing to fear.
Don't feed the trolls but...
Are you freaking serious? There is no factor that renders "government" free of criminal intent. It only varies in the amount in which the particular government is criminal.
Oh christ...just forget it. If you were kidding, you are a clever satirist. If you were not kidding, you are eloquently describing my need to colonize another planet.
"For me to bash on!"
As long as RedHat or Mandrake doesn't adopt EEP: Embrace, Extend, make Proprietary little bits to screw everyone else.
Yeah...the Plutonians...and the Grecians...and the Kosovanians.
What we need is compassionate astronomy. Comets hurled toward Earth by Pluto's gravity should be cared for and adopted --- not brutally diverted with nukes before they can ever smash a continent.
YOU KILLED HALLE-BOPP!!! YOU BASTARDS!!!
I had the flu that day.
I spent the first three hours of the morning either puking or laying in bed.
Then my grandfather came into my room...he told me.
I ran to the tv. I turned it on...they kept showing the tape of the dragon-cloud...over and over again. I cried like a little kid.
I was 15. Your comment about a dream dying...is exactly right.
I'll never go to space. We just have to make sure a lot more of our children will.
"I have a copy of Windoze, I use it regularly, and I refuse to pay for it because I am not convinced, not in the least, that it is worth a hundred
bucks; not to me, and not to most computer users. It is closed-system software, and it sucks."
You are on the jumppoint.
I paid for my first dose of MSFT. But since then...
Their scheme of forced obsolescence is obscene. The drive corps are trying to pull the same crap. "Well, you don't have a new CRMP/PMRC/RCMP ATA decoder standard...and we can't provide firmware upgrades...so...I am afraid that in order to enjoy this rich content you must upgrade hardware every 18 months."
Fuck that. The corps are now falling completely in line with each other. If content to hardware doesn't represent a vertical trust, I don't know what the hell does. If "consortia" such as MPAA and 4Cfuckall don't represent horizontal trusts---call me Teddy Roosevelt and piss on my pantleg. We have the worst of all worlds forming: cruciform. A crosslinkage of content providers and hardware manufacturers working in cabalistic harmony. No need to rescue Fox Mulder, kids, its happening. Cruciform trust linkage: we all get crucified.
Your point about the technological stupidity of this is crystalline: these efforts most likely can be hacked. The disturbing part is that every group that supposedly has the public interest in mind, consumer and citizen, DOES NOT.
Meanwhile we all scurry like ants to consider the hack. I like the climate of the hive better anyway...but this is getting ridiculous.
Yeah, I have to agree. The only image I got was Dana Carvey doing Shrub, Sr. :
"That's bad...bad!...BAD!...BAD!"
This guy was useless. I wanted a rally point---whom shalll we put pressure on.
He provided no real technical explanation, no point of focus toward protest effort, and basically said "Well, write off scsi, they're fucked anyhow...."
Thanks. With incoherent jibble like this, I don't need Shrub.
I guess the only answer is this:
There will be no help: no politicians, no corps, no Naderuseless groups of "protect the ATA whale" freaks. Sorry no dice. No help. Bought and sold.
So....
The only answer is coordinated subverted opposition and cooperation:
How do we proceed to build the hack.
I volunteer. I don't know a damn thing. But I'll volunteer the cycles and I'll shuttle emails, I'll be a dead drop for info passing. I don't care.
I am sick of the fed/corp screw.
END OF LINE, dammit! (Cartman voice)
State's right to restrict and define ethics and morality...
e isjustlookingoutforeverybody/companiescandowhatthe ywant BULLSHIT. Everyone---save the kids, now---wants to be treated as an independent thinking adult.
Employers right to reduce waste and conserve resources...
Just move...
ASK THE FRIKKIN COMMONWEALTH FOR AUTHORIZATION?
Blow me. I have a problem with asking the state if I may carry a gun. If you're wasting time at work: your employer should fire your ass. If you're in a comp lab strokin' it to Jenna J. and you embarrass yourself and people around you: you need 15 to 30 days for indecent exposure and general bad taste.
LISTEN UP: We (Human Beings In General (C)) should not have to ask THE STATE for goddamn permission to do things like this. By your leave? May I, Your Majesty? Might this serf beg an indulgence, m'lord?
Crap.
Everyone is wrapped in this christianright/pcleft/idon'twannagetfired/thestat
So quit trying to justify this crap couched in legal harangues.
Think for yourself. DEMAND TO THINK FOR YOURSELF.
jesus almighty. Drives a body to consternation.
Seriously.
In loco parentis for university faculty now?
Give me a fucking break.
The feds---and basically anyone with access to a press flack---has basically gone out of their minds.
I am simply going to have to start ignoring the laws wholesale. The U.S. government is completely abrogating its responsibility to be an instrument of the people and has become the implement for abusing the people.
Yeah de blah dah...I know I AM the government.
And I voted. And most of them lost. And the ones who won were mostly idiots anyway.
I am a snowflake on a glacier. And its pissing me off.
Screw it. The law has proven its stupidity. There ain't no justice. (Thank you, Mr. Niven.)
I am simply going to do everything to contravene stupid laws.
Mod this up. (Not MY post you boneheads, the one to which I am currently replying.)
What can we do?
Letters to ignorant and ineffectual representatives?
Calls to faceless and uncaring corporations?
Protests on the campuses of universities already co-opted and servants or The Corporate Good(TM)?
I'll slap you all if you brand me a marxist, kids, but this collectivization of power into The Hand of the FedAOLWarnerMSFTSonyishibaBMG MCP is giving me the creeps. The monolithization of supposedly capitalist free society is acquiring a remarkable resemblance to the Central Committee for the Economic Plan of the Supreme Soviet. Or whatever.
Are we (the geek (sp. homo sapiens technii)) to be reduced to dissidents? This crap about re-wiring drives sounds like samizdat tape and document exchanging students behind The Wall in the 70's. This is nuts. Wake up, folks. The revolution IS being televised: and its like a bath of hot sweet honey that flows over you then suddenly turns to molten steel and then shifts into concrete.
This is crazy. And there is no "public figure" advocate to fight this garbage. No "media celebrity", no true statesman, no leader, no Joan of Arc.
Seriously, who's got an idea?
I needed to correct my mismod with this comment
"Impressive. Most impressive."
Believe or not, your disputation moves me toward getting off my ass and getting my degree done---total time currently on the clock: 12 years+
Now if only it wasn't in polisci. rats.
But those who would cruisethehyper first must crawl, I suppose.
Better liberal art than a sharp stick in the eye.
But once I get the engineering...:
"I have a variable sword. I urge...caution."
Are we finally going to get to DPCM?
DPMM?
Ever? Please?
Metric lag burns my ass.
Nitpicking I know but still...
There is a raging mob. They have your name.
They will find you.
I stand corrected.
Though...the snipe and Proxmire's party affiliation were not supposed to be...related...
You got me.
I read a quick bio on him. Makes me respect him. A bit.
I shot off on him because when you are a punk teenager remembering how he punched out against VLA searches in the 80's...it sticks.
Not enough self editing 15 years later.
...but...
Idle CPUs are Gopp allies.
Except when the CPUs are cracking encryption.
Or monitoring.
Or intercepting.
Or preevaluating psych profiles on 2 year olds who
are nationally dna libraried who are location monitored by satellite and.....
Only these "Acceptable Use" ACTIVE CPUs are Republican allies.
Rampant paranoia. But also my point.
ding!
skribe:
Perception opinion +1
...clever.
I was tunneled into the Void by that novel.
Silly humanimal manipulated by...
Ben Stein:
"Hastur?"
"Hastur?"
"Hastur?"
---bad things---
"Thank you, Simone."
gonar:
BULLSEYE.
Enough pure science. For a while.
You sold me.
Let's get a BIG step out of the gravity well.
Its easier to take bigger steps after that.
moon.
mars.
belt.
jovian system.
titan.
Outside.
>>>
Whoa whoa whoa sloooooooow down---
>>
Actually...in a way...I would like it.
Sputnik drove the US to space.
>>
China on Pluto....
hmm...
U.S. Bussard?
U.S. Orion?
U.S. hyperdrive coolthing FTL neato?
uh...ok.