Argue all you want that "choice is good" but considering the talent behind both of these, and their respective featuresets, it's been a fucking collossal waste of time.
Feature for feature they are almost exact- imagine where the "dominant linux desktop(s)" would be today if everyone was working on the *same project*...
> Sure compiere may be small, but it needs a powerfull database. It needs the features of an enterprise database oh which there isn't an open source solution to. I wouldn't dare want to recover a mysql or postgress 1.2 terrabyte erp system.
> Stored procs, triggers, etc, are evil as they spread your application logic all over the place and there are no standards for how they are implemented by different vendors.
Well, spreading app logic around is certainly "evil", but SPs have nothing to do with that. In fact- when dealing with a "real" database, typically your SPs are the "final say", and are the best place to actually have your business logic...
It's the primary argument against the GPL- Though if it were framed as "You idiots, of course- this is why the BSD license is better", it would of course be modded down:)
> The thing about FreeBSD is that anyone can easily take away the freedom of the software! And many closed-source vendors do just that.
I said it in my other response to you, but the only people who are going to pay attention to the terms of the GPL are people who wouldn't "steal" code in the first place.
And the people who *would* steal GPLed code are people who wouldn't give 2 shits about licensing terms anyway....
> If you look at the big picture, it is _not_ the way to go. FreeBSD discourages the true ideals of Free Software, because it offers no protections to those wishing to contribute, including private companies.
"Free Software"... I think *you* misunderstand the real world... In the real world people need to eat, and make money to survive. FreeBSD is FREE SOFTWARE. It does not get any more free...
The GPL is nothing more than a way to enforce one person's ideals upon another. The GPL makes it VERY DIFFICULT to make any money whatsoever from any software licensed under it. Err not "very difficult"- more like IMPOSSIBLE.
The *only* time I would *ever* use the GPL is when I was trying to protect CORPORATE ASSETS!
Let me give you another "real world" lesson- What does the GPL provide again? Of that's right- protection against evil people stealing your code and using it in some evil corporate proprietary project! Ok then- So you caould say that there are 2 kinds of people in the world: 1) good people, who will respect a licencers terms 2) bad people, who don't care and will do whatever they want
So- the marvelous GPL stops good people from doing anything commercial with code. And it does nothing to stop bad people from doing commercial things with the code-
What do you mean exactly? GNOME or KDE is certainly out of the question for that machine. And I would bw hesitant about X at all- But my P133/32MB fileserver can happily saturate it's 100TX connection, so that's all I need:) (It runs FreeBSD btw)
uhm- *you'll* be sucking it if you cant remember the password...
haven't we all learned by now that "encryption" on magnetic storage is iffy at best?
i mean really- if you're doing something so sinister and confidential that you need to encrypt it, you should also realize that unless the area of the disk that contained the original has been overwritten and flipped 7-8 times, your plaintext can still be retrieved.
and come on- a keystroke logger is all you need to "break the encryption"... the encryption might be strong, but unless you keep your laptop chained to your wrist with an eject-and-shatter hard drive, the packaging is not
I'm certainly not backing FastIR by any means, and those certianly are conveniences- but what is the need for Bluetooth when 802.11b is so plentiful?
New PDAs are coming with both wireless ethernet AND bluetooth. What for?
I see 802.11b as something that can easily scale down to bluetooth functionality, but blue tooth is not something that can easily scale up to 802.11b functionality.
In the end, I don't see a need for Bluetooth- but who knows...
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The *only* (and fatal) flaw with IPv6 is lack of backward-compatibility.
And it's never, ever going to work without it...
http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/ipv6mess.html
(and he really does have the best host/domain/tld combo in existence)
Argue all you want that "choice is good" but considering the talent behind both of these, and their respective featuresets, it's been a fucking collossal waste of time.
Feature for feature they are almost exact- imagine where the "dominant linux desktop(s)" would be today if everyone was working on the *same project*...
Maybe finally Novell can pull them all in to one.
Likely Red Carpet-
:)
Enterprise patch distribution is *key* to any sort of well, enterprise
then any "life messages" will be lost on you.
Just cause I'm curious- how in the hell does OSX work with Gentoo?
?????????
> Sure compiere may be small, but it needs a powerfull database. It needs the features of an enterprise database oh which there isn't an open source solution to. I wouldn't dare want to recover a mysql or postgress 1.2 terrabyte erp system.
Ahem- Firebird(Interbase): http://firebird.sourceforge.net/
> Stored procs, triggers, etc, are evil as they spread your application logic all over the place and there are no standards for how they are implemented by different vendors.
Well, spreading app logic around is certainly "evil", but SPs have nothing to do with that.
In fact- when dealing with a "real" database, typically your SPs are the "final say", and are the best place to actually have your business logic...
He's making a statement- disagree with it if you'd like but don't mod it down!
Hahaha
:)
You know what's great about your post?
It's the primary argument against the GPL-
Though if it were framed as "You idiots, of course- this is why the BSD license is better", it would of course be modded down
> The thing about FreeBSD is that anyone can easily take away the freedom of the software! And many closed-source vendors do just that.
...
I said it in my other response to you, but the only people who are going to pay attention to the terms of the GPL are people who wouldn't "steal" code in the first place.
And the people who *would* steal GPLed code are people who wouldn't give 2 shits about licensing terms anyway.
Yeah- the mature/logical/cleaner thing is what initially hooked me back in the 2.x days.
:)
Sure, linux today is a lot less messy than it was back then, but still.
FreeBSD has long been my OS of choice for any and all server stuff-
For desktop use, I still have to use linux due to freebsd's hw-compatibility lag- but hey, no biggie
> If you look at the big picture, it is _not_ the way to go. FreeBSD discourages the true ideals of Free Software, because it offers no protections to those wishing to contribute, including private companies.
"Free Software"... I think *you* misunderstand the real world...
In the real world people need to eat, and make money to survive.
FreeBSD is FREE SOFTWARE.
It does not get any more free...
The GPL is nothing more than a way to enforce one person's ideals upon another.
The GPL makes it VERY DIFFICULT to make any money whatsoever from any software licensed under it.
Err not "very difficult"- more like IMPOSSIBLE.
The *only* time I would *ever* use the GPL is when I was trying to protect CORPORATE ASSETS!
Let me give you another "real world" lesson-
What does the GPL provide again?
Of that's right- protection against evil people stealing your code and using it in some evil corporate proprietary project!
Ok then-
So you caould say that there are 2 kinds of people in the world:
1) good people, who will respect a licencers terms
2) bad people, who don't care and will do whatever they want
So- the marvelous GPL stops good people from doing anything commercial with code.
And it does nothing to stop bad people from doing commercial things with the code-
Yeah- real good license there buddy...
Yeah- I was just gonna say "Hey SF, Maybe I'll attend- errr where is the link to the actual story???"
Whoa! I'm responsible for the broken mitsumi cdrom driver in the later releases- 2.2.x or so? :)
Circa 95-96
Seek and ye shall find.
http://www.directfb.org/
Uhm- all of them?
:)
What do you mean exactly?
GNOME or KDE is certainly out of the question for that machine.
And I would bw hesitant about X at all-
But my P133/32MB fileserver can happily saturate it's 100TX connection, so that's all I need
(It runs FreeBSD btw)
The recovery threshold is a gray area-
7-8 overwrites is the threshold.
uhm- *you'll* be sucking it if you cant remember the password...
haven't we all learned by now that "encryption" on magnetic storage is iffy at best?
i mean really- if you're doing something so sinister and confidential that you need to encrypt it, you should also realize that unless the area of the disk that contained the original has been overwritten and flipped 7-8 times, your plaintext can still be retrieved.
and come on- a keystroke logger is all you need to "break the encryption"...
the encryption might be strong, but unless you keep your laptop chained to your wrist with an eject-and-shatter hard drive, the packaging is not
stop fooling yourselves.
Please!
For gods sake man, PLEASE!!!!!!
Uhm- no, in fact they dont :)
The "ls" in linux was written by GNU, the "ls" in FreeBSD was not.
This applies to all of the normal userland tools...
Sure, Linus did some cool stuff and all, but is he *really* qualified to be making such large directional moves in the kernel?
I don't know about that... I like committees elected by contributors...
Right- but I believe when you register for a key, for 3.x you can get a non-commercial free license or something.
IIRC VMWare3 is now "free" for use-
VMWare4 (providing signifigant other abilities) is the premium paid version.
Look here: http://www.vmware.com/download/
I'm certainly not backing FastIR by any means, and those certianly are conveniences- but what is the need for Bluetooth when 802.11b is so plentiful?
New PDAs are coming with both wireless ethernet AND bluetooth.
What for?
I see 802.11b as something that can easily scale down to bluetooth functionality, but blue tooth is not something that can easily scale up to 802.11b functionality.
In the end, I don't see a need for Bluetooth- but who knows...
Sure there are- for things like syncing to a stationary computer, who cares if you have to aim it correctly?
For things like wireless multiplayer games on the train, yes it has an obvious advantage.