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Ghost In The Shell 2: Innocence
timbloid writes "I spotted on Ain't it cool news that Mamoru Oshii's new anime Innocence Ghost In The Shell 2's website is now open! The trailer is beautiful! But I can't help thinking a translated version is some time off from the 2004 Japanese release... Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"
Just wait for the universal Esperanto version.
"Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?"
I think it's better to watch a film in the language it's created in. Who knows if the translation is correct? Isn't it better to hear the real actors, and listen to the sounds they make, as opposed to some translated version?
A large piece of the meaning and fluidity of a film is lost in translation.
I can remember sitting around a table of French friends of mine, not knowing a word of French myself, and it was still interesting to listen to them, like a fly on a wall. You don't know what's being said, but the experience has it's own merits.
There's something really cool about watching anime in Japanese that gives a kind of simplicity to the plot and idea of the film. Because you have no idea what's being said, you can kind of guess, and that adds some of your immagination to the mix. It delivers a kind of Zen, IMHO. And with the visuals in the trailer of Ghost In the Shell 2, who cares what language it's in!! Gimmie!! Gimmie!!
I love the original ghost because it convinces many who didn't think they would like anime that it isn't "just a cartoon". Although today anime is becoming "cool", when I was in high school it was pretty fringe. When ghost came out, I showed it to quite a few people who didn't know what anime was, and most had a much better appreciation for the fact that "cartoons" could tell a compelling story.
Of course, it isn't for the squeamish...
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Seriously tho. Who designed this page? I mean, I love anime, and Im fairly confident that this is going to be a wonderful (and profitable) movie, but fullscreening to a black "loading" page right away?
How about some basic design principals?!
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A much better site for information on learning Japanese is at U. Mass.
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IIRC fansubbed version of trailer is already out. And movie will fansubbed as soon there's some good raw out...
Saw a story on 60 minutes that basically said articles like this are being paid for by a secretive ad agency. Films like cowboy bebop used them to boost it's recognation. They even have 13 year olds (average /. user age) to post under numerous different accounts about how great the films are. /.'ers beware...
Maybe it would be faster for me to learn Japanese?
So long as you are not turning Japanese that will be fine.
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Also, I would say that the US will not be seeing the movie until sometime in 2005. I personaly am looking forward to GITS:Stand Allow Complex, both the series and the manga.
Why the hell is this rated Interesting and not Flamebait? Japanese animation isnt all about raping and sex no more than all American films is hardcore pornography.
There are some great and funny, not to mention hardwarming movies and series in this genre. Open your eyes, and stop being so discriminating.
That would be great. Then you can translate it for us.
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But I can't help thinking a translated version is some time off from the 2004 Japanese release...
The original GitS had a simultaneous theatrical release in Japan, the US and the UK. So, you might not have to wait that long after all. Oh, and I'm sure the fansubbers will be all over it as fast as possible. I saw a TeleSync of the Cowboy Bebop movie two weeks after its Japanese premier.
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This just about says it all. How the fuck do you manage to read subtitles when you DON'T KNOW ENGLISH?
You can learn Japanese in about a year, if you are living in the country.
If you're not American, look into the Working Holiday Visa.
I have to wonder what sort of negative influences todays youth get from these things.
In the olden days we had cartoons that taught us lessons, taught us right from wrong, using American standards and American morals. This was the mindset that drove the industrial revolution and pushed the USA to the top of the super power food chain.
The youth of today watches these Japanes cartoons and can only get confused by it all. The Japanese mindset is totally different from the USian mindset, which serves to water down the American youth and poisen them with bad values and habits. It's no wonder we are becoming a service industry while the JApanese and Chinese produce all the goods. Is it a coincidence that they have stolen our business in this manner? Hardly.
Lets look at some of the greatest Japanese companies at this point in time, Honda, Nikon, Qualcom, etc. How do you think they gained so much market share in such little time? Because we gave it to them because our youth has no drive or motivation to innovate. They simply think they can rest on the laurels of the great men who went before them, the Henry Fords and Rockifelers, etc.
I think we should outlaw all this crap and make kids go back to watching quality cartoons before we're all forced to speak Japanese, if you know what I mean.
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I would say that you can't really grasp Japanese language without living in Japan for a while. I can say that after taking Japanese in High School and College and getting top marks in both, my Japanese skills turned out to be pathetic when I finally got to Japan.
That being said, after a few years of diving into the language (by which I mean being thrown in the deep end of the pool), I could function fairly well as an interpreter.
The big thing is to go to Japan and speak Japanese, even if you can't. Hanging around with other English speakers all the time and/or copping out and trying to get them to speak English will get you nowhere. The average english teacher I see in Japan can't speak a lick of Japanese even after several years. Why? because they either do not want to learn or constantly take the easy way out.
Actually I dont watch subtitled anime (yes I know, its better etc etc etc). I only watched dubbed for the simple fact that I am lazy.
You can learn Japanese in about a year, if you are living in the country. If you're not American, look into the Working Holiday Visa option. There are also some excellent exchange programs with generous scholarships to students.
If you want more of the GITS i suggest checking out this anime series. It takes place in a different timeline where Mokoto Kusangi never encountered the Puppet Master.
It has been fansubbed by a few groups and I believe it is licensed for US release as well.
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Did you see the smileys instead of Friend/Fan? weird.
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FYI: There is also a series - Ghost in the Shell : Stand Alone Complex.
It's currently aired in Japan - there have been some Fansubs, but most have stopped since it was licenced in the US.
I have seen the first few episodes and can highly recommend them.
It's a lot more fun smoking, drinking, and fucking until you have had your fill. When this happens you either grow up and go back to things that are more intellectual or you become a drunken bum who no one wants to have sex with anyways. Either way, you'll be back. There's no escape from the tentacle monsters!
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You can learn the language just to understand the movie and then sell your talents as a translator to people who import Anime or video games from Japan and really want to understand them (so much so that they'd pay for it).
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Get some practical use outta it, right?
Learning to read english is probably easier. Then you can watch the movie with subtiles.
I've been asked that before.
My personal preference of Anime is that I feel animation is a more solid medium to present a story. And japenese animation has historically been better than many of the US attempts. Likewise, Japenese animation is more likey to show the darker side of things: people die, blood is spilled, war, etc. Meanwhile, US animation is too "Disney-esque", pandering to the G-rated demographic, or trying to get kids to buy their merchandise.
Some people prefer black-and-white films, other like musicals, and I even know a few people that like silent films. It's just a preference on how the film is portrayed, and I personally like a WELL drawn animation so long as it has a good story and isn't some lame kids show.
In movies, you have wooden actors playing the lead roles because teenage girls think they are cute, and a bimbo playing the leading lady because she has big cleavage.
And most importantly, there are some things that actors can't do (mostly stunts). Sure, you can add special affects, but they sometimes don't look too special.
The settings are another benefit. Some of the greatly drawn anime has settings that you cannot replicate on a stage without it looking "tacky" or fake (CGI), and in some cases look almost heavenly. Lush forests, planet-scapes, buildings, some of it are works of art.
Animation CAN allow a story to be truly delivered the way it was meant ot be delivered. The character can look exactly like the author originally imagined him/her as. The stunts can look more fluid (all-be-it impossible to perform in real life). Essentially the entire film can be presented in a pure unadulterated form.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of bad animation out there. And, like anything else, it can be watered down to some fluff that only kids like (such as Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc). And the tentacle thing (while a stereotypical description of anime) occurs in more "shady" shows, it's not like its everywhere. You must just be downloading some porn like "La Blue Girl" or something.
All I ask is that some of you people not just label it as some kiddy-show or porn. There's a lot of anime out there that's deep and meaningful, all-the-while being beautifully drawn.
For a bit I thought people were talking about the release of GitS: Standalone Complex in the US.
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I think the biggest problem anime currently faces in the US is not translation, or people not liking sub-titles. It comes down to two things:
People expect anime to be childrens cartoons, because that's all american cartoons are (in general)
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People look for a traditional western storyline, and they can't handle characters who are both good and bad, and stories that deal with multiple social issues, without offering panaceas at the end.
It takes a unique type of American to enjoy an anime, and until the rest of the country realizes the walls they have up, and takes them down, and appreciates anime for the beautiful deep art it is, anime won't be widely accepted.
What does this have to do with GITS? I would love to see that movie on a big screen, but unless I catch it at a local college, I've got no chance. We need to change American preconceptions so that we can watch our movies the way they were meant to be watched!
I often show friends the movie Princess Mononoke(sp?), and they say, "Wow, that was incredible!", and I tell them, "There are more movies like that, and a lot that are better than that." But no one has ever heard of it, because the american public can't understand or be bothered to try and understand an animated cartoon not aimed at children, or that doesn't hinge on humour. Sure, Pixar has gotten animation into the mainstream, but all of pixars movies are considered "Funny" and "child-safe".
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What, are they denying entry of people from my country?
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So I watched it, and yeah, it was better than a lot of the anime I've seen, but it still sucked by any conventional film standards. Animation was horrible (I don't care how good of a painter you are, this is *animation*, the pictures are expected to move fluidly). The dialog was unremarkable at best (yes, I watched the subtitled version). The plot was cliched and confused (not confusing; confused). Animation still can't show fights worth crap; fights are always broken down into a montage of "scenes" - a girl rolls, a kick connects, a gun fires, a wall cracks. Worst of all, like all anime, it was way too wrapped up in it's own visuals. Note to anime filmmakers - I'm impressed when a live action film achieves an iconic visual style, because I recognize how difficult that can be given the realities of lighting, camera limitations, physics, and acting. I'm far less impressed when an animated film achieves a similar style, becaus by definition it's a completely controlled environment where (at least theoreticaly) anything is possible. So when Our Cloaked Hero stalks away, wreathed in steam, through a downpour, in perfectly noir-lit streets, I'm not going to oblige you be saying "wow". It's not like you had to arrange for the damn fog machines.
Also: anime depictitions of "angst" are as laughable as they are ubiquitous. Downcast eyes and hunched shoulders do not a Tormented Hero make. Don't think that a few seconds of canned backstory footage is a substitute for decent acting when trying to drag some character sympathy from the audience.
I get the impression that when fans sit down to watch anime, all the standards which they might otherwise apply go right out the window, because it's ANIME!!!
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I never heard of this "Ghost in the" shell.
For me, you still can't beat Bourne.
Considering the abrupt and seemingly unfinished ending of the first movie, I'm no so sure I want to get too worked up over a sequel.
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Pikachu moaned as he felt his prick being handled by Vixy's small paw. "Ohh... Vixy..."
"So you like that? Well -- tell me how this feels," Vixy kept stroking Pikachu's small shaft, watching him writhe under her soft touch. She bent down and wrapped her small lips around his prick while continuing to stroke his member.
Pikachu stretched his arms out and tried to grip the ground, his small claws making scratching sounds. He opened one eye and watched as she licked the head of his cock while her small paw quickly slide up and down bringing him a unique double pleasure. He began to thrust his hips inwards towards the pleasure, making his body shiver with delight.
Vixy enjoyed the feeling of his hot member pulsing in his mouth as she delicately traced her tongue around slower and slower. Sparks started to jump from her cheeks to Pikachu's body, signaling energy was building quick in his body. She stopped her treatment and moved her body up towards his face, making sure her soft fur rubbed against his dick.
Pikachu grabbed placed one paw behind her head and pulled Vixy's head close for a kiss. He parted his lips and felt as they met her's. He darted his tongue out and felt as it slipped again and again over Vixy's. The two electric pokemon explored each other's mouth, small sparks jumping between the two. His other paw slid down her back, and rested on her small butt. He gripped her ass and sent a little sharp jolt of electricity through his hand.
"Ah!" Vixy yelped as she broke the kiss. She gave Pikachu a sly look, "little frisky are we?" She gave the side of his face a small lick before rolling off of him. "Come and get me mouse boy," she said playfully. She hopped away -- looking back at Pikachu, who sat up, with a confused look on his face. She bent over and lifted her tail up, "don't you want some of this?"
Pikachu got the message soon enough, he hopped up onto his feet and ran after her.
Vixy giggled as she got back up and ran off -- deliberately slower than she could run. She looked back long enough to see Pikachu pounce at her. She felt her body slammed into the ground as Pikachu quickly mounted her, positioning his prick between her legs. She felt a small nibble on her ear -- sending a slight chill of tingling pleasure down her spine. At the same time Pikachu thrusted his dick into her body -- filling her small box up. "Oh! Pikachu!" She cried out at the immediacy of his intrusion.
Pikachu, lightly nibbling on Vixy's ear felt as his dick was lightly squeezed between her wet inner walls. He thrusted his hips into her backside, plunging his member deeper and deeper into her cunt. His hands rested on Vixy's sides, pulling her into his movements -- feeling her soft fur between his paws. He could feel her soft murrs of pleasure as her body came closer to her climax. He slammed into her backside two more times before pulling his hardness out and flipping her over.
"Wha- Pikachu what are you doi- Ohhhhhh," she moaned as a small tongue was slipping in and around her lips in a vigorous fashion. New waves of pleasure kept Vixy slightly moaning and arching her back. Vixy felt as Pikachu's tongue found her clit and began to flick and massage against it. "P-Pikachu..." she said between struggled gasps. She pulled his face deeper into her pussy, now grinding her hips against his face. With a large moan Vixy felt as a stream of electric pleasures surged through her body. Her legs squeezed Pikachu's face as her body shivered violently.
Pikachu tasted Vixy's juices as her body exploded with her orgasm. He lapped up every drop, making sure to rub against her clit just enough to bring more lustful sounds. When she let up enough for him to move he lifted his head away from her heat and moved back up to her face. "Enjoy yourself now?"
Panting heavily she managed a weak grin, "no more than you'll enjoy this," she said as she gripped his aching cock with a firm grasp. "Now how about you lay back this time," she said pushing against his chest.
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Christ.. why did I think project.. must be the crank I am smoking..
anyways great series..
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trailer is beautiful!
Looks like there's a lot of computer graphics in it...
BTW, Lots of us see the original GITS as the movie that got plagiarized by the Wachowskis.
It's nice to see an incoming sequel of the original thing.
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It is very similar to Blade Runner, in that it gets us to question, if robots/artifical intelligence, can think, feel, and sense things, are they any less human than we are? The original Ghost in the Shell made us think, while at the same time entertaining us. Very few movies do this. I personally hope that this is just as great as the original, I expect it to be.
I was very surprised at what I heard when I opened the trailer--the song that goes through the whole thing is set to the melody of Joaquin Rodrigo's 'Concierto del Aranguez', one of the very few classical concertos for guitar. Interesting to hear the piece arranged for voice and hand drums :)
Bit Torrent link for the trailer: http://www.filerush.com/torrents/gits_2-innocence_ trailer-japanese-480.mov.torrent
Boku ha majide sanseishitemasu yo. Otaku mono mou yametoke. Antatachi datte, ikutsu nano?
Shikamo desune, Dragon Ball toka, Love Hina, Sailormoon bakari yonderu noha hazukashikunai no? Tokuni, ano Tenchi Muyo no icon wo... iyarashii oyaji kanji to omowanai?
Nihonjin datte, sou yuu no shinai mon...
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I agree completely. Please stop these "otaku" stuffs. How old are you, really?
Moreover, reading stuffs like "Dragon Ball", "Love Hina", "Sailor Moon"... can't you guys feel like, ashame? Especially the "Tenchi Muyo" icon... don't you think it gives the impression of a disgusting "uncle"?
Even the Japanese don't read these...
Fansubs will come out in less than a month. You can then read your way through, along with the subs of the songs.
Dreamworks announced a while ago that they would be giving GITS: Innocence a spring 2004 release (april, i think they said, but i don't have a link to that reference).
And what do you mean by Stand Alone Complex manga? Do you mean GITS2: Man-Machine Interface?
Even Eric Brooks agreed in "The Mythical Man Month"
Please. Liquor and cigarettes are bad for you. Both will induce impotence and deaden sexual sensitivity. Stick to acid, E, little bit of nitrous and surrealist anime porn. Preserves sensitivity and doesn't ruin your ability to show a lady a good time.
You know... I haven't updated one my sites in EONS... I wrote a document called 'Ghost in the Shell' that surprisingly gets about 3000 hits a week on Google searches. Not much, but certainly enough to know the interest GITS generates. I've done the anime thing a while back, now I only have time for Jenna, Chasey, and other starlets
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I never thought I would say this about a Masamune Shirow manga, but GITS2 sucked!
Instead of brilliant mecha design and architecture, we get variations on "butt floss girl floating in cyberspace." Which I guess is his new variation on "butt floss girl climbing out of mecha." It's like "Cable Porn: The Manga."
I actually cancelled my order at the local comic shop after issue 3 came out.
I've talked to other people whe have also been turned off of Shirow recently because of the cheese. It's kind of sad, he's still a talented artist, but he seems to have lost all perspective on reality.
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That language instruction link seems really freakin' cool! I've toyed with the idea of learning Japanese for a while now. Maybe I'll finally find the motivation to try it out with this.
I've recently had a conversation with a friend of mine who runs a tech staffing agency about foreign language study amongst computer programmers. Both programming and foregin languages have always been an interest of mine. I was surprised to hear from him that this is actually "not unusual at all", and that in his mind the two interests have always gone hand in hand. I was wondering if anyone else here might have noticed this correlation?
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ah yes, the Slashdot troll talking about all the fucking he's doing. this shit makes me laugh out loud every time.
If the english version is delayed... there's almost certainly going to be some fansubs around the net beforehand. If you're feeling impatient, you could always grab a copy of the japanese DVD (to be legit) and then download a fansub so you can understand the movie better.
It's really too bad you posted anonymously. I modded your post up because it's dead on right. Especially point #4, it's only deep if you're a retard that finds the same old 'am I really alive' rhetorical crap interesting.
Now obviously, that doesn't always hold true, if you look at movies like the seven samurai by Akira Kurosawa. When it was released in japan, the japanese public thought Akira was pandering to the western world. The western world thought it was a masterpiece. A naive perspective might propose the Japanese did not understand Akira. Some western critics said the Japan didn't appreciate Akira Kurosawa. Not everyone can view a piece of work on it's own terms, but that is human nature. For those who think GITS sucked, consider the possibility you lack insight into japanese culture to understand and appreciate the movie. Not everyone in the world thinks like Americans and in fact most do not. When you consider America constitutes a small percentage of the world's population.
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It only seems appropriate to provide a link to the limited edition Ghost in the Shell Mouse, just in case anime fans haven't heard of it. This mouse was designed by Masamune Shiro and is really quite a sight to behold. I love the ergonomics, light weight, and 800 count resolution, but I'm probably biased. ;)
Perfect for any generation that's grown up on Hollywood pablum.
It still gives them a sense that there's something better out there.
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
It took many years. I feel somehow vindicated. GITS is IMHO Sci-Fi excellence. Pushes the pre-conceptions of individual-machine-collective to a realm where the escence of humanity lies buried as a some sort if EM signal singularity in some hi-tech artificial brain. There are cultural barriers the prevent the Westerners to fully understand the science and artistry behind this film. Nothing to be ashamed off. Like the soup Nazi would say to all those who don't get Japanese Anime: "This movie is NOT for you!" Next!!!
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I'm particularly bemused by your criticisms of "iconic visual style." Apparently you judge a visual presentation based on your assessment of the technical complexities of acheiving it? I judge it based on the visual impact the composition has on me. Who the fuck cares if it was easy or difficult to make (like you know shit about the relative complexity of creating an effect in one medium versus another anyway... offhand I'd say drawing fog beautifully is a fuck of a lot more effort than paying some tech to plug in a fog machine)? Either it works visually or it doesn't. Maybe you're missing some of the subtle nuances because you're peripheral vision is being blocked by that enormous chip on your shoulder.
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Dreamworks To Distribute Ghost In The Shell II
In Spring Of 2004
August 14, 2003
Screen Daily reports that Dreamworks SKG has formed a specialty distribution arm, Go Fish, which will distribute its first film, Satoshi Kon's Millenium Actress, on September 12 in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and San Francisco. Dreamworks set up Go Fish just after Warner Bros. announced the launch of Warner Independent Pictures, which will release films from independents and small production companies. While Go Fish will undoubtedly release its share of indie films, the second film announced by Dreamworks was Ghost In The Shell II: Innocence, the follow-up to the extremely successful science fiction anime feature, Ghost In The Shell, which was directed by Mamoru Oshii and based on the manga series by Masamune Shirow (published in the U.S by Dark Horse). It should be interesting to see if Dreamworks primarily uses Go Fish to compete with Warners for indie films or to gain a beachhead for anime feature films in the rough and tumble arena of theatrical exhibition.
Ghost in the Shell II is in the final stages of production in Japan, and Go Fish plans to release the feature film late in the first half of 2004. Back in 1996 the original Ghost In the Shell film made a major impact in the U.S. and launched a plethora of successful tie-in products including posters, statues, art books, manga, and action figures. With a Ghost in the Shell TV series (see "Bandai Gets Ghost In the Shell TV Series") set to debut in the U.S. and the merchandising potential of a second Ghost In The Shell movie (see "New Ghost In The Shell Movie"), this property is poised to take off once again.
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I'm with you. There are lots of shows out there that don't have 'traditional western storylines'. OZ is probably one of the best series ever made for it's ability to make you, if not sympathize with, at least understand some seriously nasty people.
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Dreamworks has already licensed the film, and will release it under their Go Fish label next spring, practically simultaneous with the Japanse premier. So quit bellyaching about a long wait.
In addition, the aforementioned TV series, GitS:Stand Alone Complex, has also been licensed by Bandai Entertainment USA, which actually helped finance it. It should see domestic DVD next year, probably about the same time as the movie is released to theatres.
You Have Been Trolled. Seriously, the grandparent is posted in about every Manga-related discussions.
I've come to realize that paintings and drawings actually suck, because photos have much clearer resolution. In fact, many times the drawn or painted subject looks nothing like the object in question! Those artists are not going to get their obligatory 'wow' from me though. I mean, it's a completely controlled environment. They didn't actually have to arange fog machines or lights. I mean, the nerve of those people, using and communicationg with their imagination! What a bunch of pretentious assholes!
I get the impression that when fans sit down to look at a painting, all standards which they might otherwise apply go right out the window...because it's ART!!
Losers. I'll keep my pixel perfect interpretation of the world. thank you very much
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No, it would be faster to wait a couple hours for the fansubbers to do their subtitle translation on the pirate version of the movie (that you'll obviously replace with the official DVD when released, right?). fansubs are very often better than the official translations anyway, and include handy cultural notes.
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Most of the problems you mention are not percieved to be problems at all by most people. I don't know where you got this business about fluid animation, can you tell me where it is written down that animation must be fluid? Is it in a book? some proclamation? Comic book animation is much less fluid, but no one complains about that. Maybe you can artfully tell a scene without 24 frames per second even, god forbid!
As for your complaint about story line and it being too wrapped up in its own visual beauty. You could look at those as plusses. GitS as a story is not 'Original' in the same sense that the godfather is not 'original'. It's appeal transcends its lack of originality in the same way the godfather does. It engages you in its world, it has well built characters. Who draw you into the story in GitS own curious way. It draws on various motifs to bring about a cohesive impression and explanation of the universe in which GitS is placed. Finally it gives you a story you can latch onto. What are you looking for!
As for cinematic effects I think you're completely off your rocker. FX in anime as well as in normal cinema are equal with the arival of CG. The matrix was in fact based on anime! Good animation takes a lot of time, and a lot of money. I'm just as impressed when I view a big budget anime that went all out on certain scenes with intense detail as I am when I see a big budget hollywood flick with SFX, more even because big budget anime scenes tend to be more aesthetic than gee whiz.
Lastly, downcast angst poses and other such cliches are present in SOME not ALL anime. Just as they are present in SOME not ALL 35mm films. In fact, since most films suck, they are about as common in both!
It seems that everything you've named that's bad about anime is either totally subjective (your hatred of the low FPS) or totally bullshit because you name characteristics that are common to both schools of cinema.
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Now of course, this is entirely anecdotal evidence, but Ring is an unusual case. Everyone I know who has seen both versions prefers whichever version they saw first. If they prefer "The Ring" they site the complaint you made... Too much left unexplained in "Ringu". If they prefer "Ringu" they site the complete opposite as the complaint. "The Ring" overexplains things that they felt better left as enigmas...
For most japanese animation nerds, they think they are part of some elitist group and everyone else "just doesn't get it." And they somehow feel it is their job to "bring it to the masses." Hence, even though www.animefu.com exists, Rob & Co insist on broadcasting this stuff here.
Worse, they condemn any animation that ISN'T made in Japan as being somehow inferior. There are many, many examples that shoot this down, but I'll give only one: Reboot, made in Canada. Reboot Season 3 and up is sophisticated, detailed plot-wise, and stunning in it's own way.
I understand "anime" (and let's be honest...anime just means ANIMATION. Let's call it what it is and stop pretending we're better than everyone else). I don't like it either.
I don't know why hollywood is focusing on all the silly fringe geek appeal fiction like "fantasy" and "science fiction" -- why the hell was that Lord of the Rings made into a movie? I mean, only one person I know went to see that. The only people I know who read comic books are geeks yet they are making dumb movies like X-Men, Spiderman, and the Hulk. And anime -- don't even get me started. That's more worse then regular comic books.
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yaaa, baby! I like it liek that... I like it like that! The sequel to one of the greatest animated features ever made is coming!!!! Feel the power!
I'm not anti-microsoft. I'm anti-bullshit. Which means I'm anti-microsoft.
Please elaborate on how the plot of GitS is "confused".
I used to have an opinion along these lines, however after watching the movie several times I've found the plot to not only make sense but often do it in suprisingly subtle and intricate ways.
It's already been picked up for an English release by Dreamworks. If you don't want to support Dreamworks, buy the legit R2 (Japan, Europe) DVD release and pray it comes with English subtitles or the dub (neither is likely.)
And I'll contest the accuracy of any fansubber and their notes, especially the loads of crap groups that are out there today. Maybe we'll get lucky and get another "mass naked child event" just like we got in GitS: SAC! Yay for fansubbers!
American culture is invading Japan far faster than Japanese culture is invading the US. Our ambassadors are Jeans, television, Brittney Spears and Explosion movies. English names in products are not only common over there, they're marketing wins for being cool. Japanese games and movies are starting to be made in English (with Japanese subtitles), the US is a bigger market and globally English makes more sense (if you exclude China).
The US imports and exports more to Canada and Mexico than Japan. Look it up in the big book of facts.
(And by the way, Qualcomm is an American company).
(Stupid thing won't let me post it without this meaningless text.)
Wow. What a beautiful mood-setting trailer. But then, at the end, some guys says INNOCENCE! In the most jarring way possible.
Anyone know the name of the song used?
Remember, real Extacy(sp) [MDMA] is just modified meth, fake E is potentially PMA(it, well, kills you). E is also spendy, whereas LSD is cheap if you don't get ripped off. Nitrous, and most inhallents, are dangerous in a lot of semi-unpredicatable ways; most work by killing braincells to get you high. Drugs can be fun, but know the risks and don't be stupid. And always use with a friend, just in case, when it comes to anything that isn't pot.
FryCarson: Drugs are risky, but don't let that stop you
You lost me at "Animation was horrible".
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I'm not a grammar nazi, but I'm Spanish and I live near Aranjuez ;-)
and Aranjuez sounds like 'Aran - hoo - eth', while
Aranguez sounds like 'Aran - guess'
Singularity: a belief in the "God" idea with the "demiurge" relation inverted.
I work with a major fansubbing group, and I can tell you that within a week of its release this movie will be fansubbed by at least half a dozen groups.
Of course the quality of the video and translation will vary, but if you wait a couple weeks there should be some excellent work out there. Right now fansubbing groups do work that far surpasses commercial releases in terms of translation accuracy and subbing quality.
Yeah, it' great. I've seen it many times, and I recommended it to many people.
The story involves a robo-girl, policemen, and other assorted goodies.
Only one problem: it didn't maKE any fucking sense!
Some posts mention how Anime still hasn't gained mainstream acceptance. Although from my perspective, this is probably a good thing, there's a lot more to the issue than some assume. Hollywood is built on promoting "personalities." Americans have always been attracted to films by the Actors, which is why some get paid so much! The whole concept of Anime is foreign to this culture, being more "oriented" (ouch) towards visual art than performance. Mainstream acceptance is bound to be very slow.
i will convert it to whatever format you like as long as someone is good enough to host it.
I don't know about you, but I don't plan to be alive in 5 billion years to worry about it. Besides, I'm sure we'll make a very nice planetary nebula.
Just wait for the "All Purpose Cultural Catgirl Nuku Nuku" TV Series to come out from ADV Films. This is different from the OAV "Nuku Nuku DASH!" of which the first DVD was released about a week ago. It's also different from the original APCCNN OAV which ADV released on DVD last year, and very well for that matter. (It's only one DVD, buy it!)
ALL the bad cliches you speak of get clobbered with tons of humor. Before "Excel Saga" and "FLCL" this was the funniest goddamn anime ever. Transforming robots, high school angst, sulphurously evil bishounen villains, noble but absent-minded scientist heroes, Office Ladies, even a musical episode which ADV should release with Karaoke subtitles! It's insane!
If ADV Films wants to pay me to talk up NNTV they can, but I can assure you I am talking this up without any compensation at the time I post this.
"Excel Saga", however, is now the absolute champion satirical funny anime to ever hit these shores. "Excel Saga" is 100% bust-a-gut funny from start to finish. It goes off on some weird tangents but I love it. And unlike "FLCL" it will NEVER show on Cartoon Network. I assure you of that. It makes "FLCL" look normal by comparison .
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power multiplied.
dubs are for kids!
Captions:
"Within a cyborg, there is a heart."
"She has arms and legs and everything else that makes up her body."
"But the memories that remain behind..."
"...are that of a woman alone."
"A lonely ghost's chance encounter"
Director/writer: Mamoru Oshii INNOCENCE
"Innocence... such is existence."
My Japanese is a little dodgy but I think that's the essence of it.
Way back in the Seventies Frederick Pohl succintly stated your entire post: Ninety percent of everything is shit.
We have always been at war with Eurasia!
And I want to tell you that Cowboy Bebop is totally rad, dude, like completely cool! Beebop, beebop... I love the music too. If you haven't seen it, you're an old square, and that goes for you too, Mr. "Payed Ad" Coward!
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Hey, where was the "linux fanatic" with penguin t-shirt and smelly armpits?
Nice flame, you should practice less, you could end up believing it.
Preferrably two weeks before the movie comes out.
We are Soldats! Well I'm not but someone is providing top notch fansubs out there.
Might as well not even bother. Besides, Russian is better.
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"All hail the glory of the Hypnotoad."
Wouldn't that be weird if, after all this effort, everything just ended?
--fred
There are fansub fanatics out there who will have a dubbed version out within a week of its release, I am sure. So don't go rushing off to learn Japanese on account of this. There are plenty of other good reasons though.
On a related subject, these same Fansub groups have been bringing us Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex, a 26-part TV series. Currently, 22 have been released with English subtitles. It's a wonderful series... it deals heavily with the ethics of artificial life forms, while still having a serious helping of ass-kicking from the Major and her cohorts.
I have watched anime without any translation, with subtitles and overdubbed. Subtitles are definitely better than no translation at all; you can still hear every original sound and you get the dialog, which is important if you want to know what the hell is going on.
I kinda prefer overdubs though. The translations are obviously screwed up and sometimes the voice characterizations are ridiculous, but most anime is extremely visual and reading subtitles diverts one's attention away from the cinematography. An overdub allows the viewer to concentrate on the video component of the movie yet still get enough info from the audio to follow the narrative thread.
I can't believe this is modded down as flamebait. This is god's own truth. 90% of everything sucks, as any good geek knows.
And you anime fans should get off your high horses about, "people expect cartoons to be for kids." This explaination may work great for you, 'cause it shows you as openminded and better than most people, but you know what? Many of us other geeks who aren't anime fans, but are, for example, comic book fans, know these things aren't just for kids. People have different tastes. Get over it.
b.c
then any "life messages" will be lost on you.
I browse at +5 Flamebait- moderation for all or moderation for none.
"STAND ALONE COMPLEX" is pretty good too. Its a 26 episode TV series done in the Ghost universe, by Production IG.
It gets better as it goes along. Not as hardcore as the movie or comic though.
If you want to study Japanese, check out this site:
Interactive Visual Medical Dictionary
Looks like a damn Kalvin Klein ad.
- http://pakman.sytes.net/
and fell in love at first sight.
That's the storyline.
Oh yes! I have been waiting for some closure to the story for years! I cant belive it was so short, when half of it was sequences with bad bad music and no action.
Does anyone know who sings the song in the trailer?
oh, I have one.
::aidez-moi!!::
Kirika "cherishes" Mireille.
Yeah, right. And ADV usually does a reasonably good job at that kind of thing. Very frustrating (I've hired my own translator, who's typing at this very moment, say hi to the nice people, SLAVE)
And Mirimax?
Let's just say they piss everywhere except the beer mug.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
n/t
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
We can thank George Lucas for putting the right weight on the term in recent years.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Maddox is a motherfucking asshole. Don't post his shit here.
You toss off "ecstasy is just modified meth" as if it means something. Table salt is just modified bleach. Lipstick is just modified beetle innards. "Modifying" a chemical is not so simplistic as it sounds. All drugs do have their drawbacks, however.
Where exactly did you get that E can fuck up your ability to have sex?
-Terralthra...
Watch 2 episodes of Excel Saga, and call me in the morning.
If you see yellow spots, then you should be watching Friends instead.
If you laughed yourself to sleep, suffered from insomnia, or threw up, then I can recommend a regimen of shows depending on your follow-up.
Really, most all of it is no better than the crap some might call "real shows" on HBO, NBC, FOX, Sci-Fi, UPN, etc. - drivel pumped into primetime that won't hold your attention until you get accustomed to it. Except it's animated, and not tied to a Mattel product line.
Remember the first time you saw Law and Order and thought it was boring?
Remember how you now can't stop watching it on TNT?
The freaks who buy Anime at Best Buy are just that, freaks. Everybody who shops at Best Buy are freaks. Even the people that choose to work in that hellhole. God damn that place makes me want to punch everyone in the face.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Are you trying to compensate by picking on my fans?
Shame on you. Troll or not, shame on you.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
that make me be ashamed to read Slashdot.
Don't you KNOW that guy is a serial troll? THAT'S WHAT THE POSTING HISTORY IS FOR!!!
Did it ever occur to you know that people post things that are just designed to get idiots like you to waste time typing out angry responses because you got beat up at school and never got back at bullies... but it's okay, you're on the Internet. You're TEACHING him.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Naughty, naughty. I thought we fixed that when we made your system Y2K compliant. Well, here's your ticket number:
box box box box 901 box 3394 (illegible)
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
I almost wished that they actually DID do a musical. It'd put it right up there with the Drew Carey Show.
(sigh) Drew, you sure can move...
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Or I'll fucking cut your balls off.
Ta.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
The snippet of song accompanying this trailer is simply breathtaking. Does anyone know what the song, or who the singer, is? I've tried google'ing some lyrics, to no avail.
I said enjoy, not have. That's from personal experience, as well as the experience of friends. You can still have it, but you may stop enjoying it, to the point of actually hating it. I'll admit it may have been some other drugs, but I noticed the total lack of enjoyment after ecstasy. ecstasy is just modified meth does mean something, that it has roughly the same effects of meth and then some. The saratonin flood from X is the biggest difference between them that i've learned about. The other reason it has merit is that meth is easy to make (relatively) so with some expermentation you can cook up some nice batches of dope, and then cut and experiment till you have a convincing product.
I'll admit all my knowledge is from extensive drug use,research during said use, and rehab.
Now for cheap high thats really fun, eat a bottle of benedryl*.
FryCArson: *DON'T DO IT! benedryl is the high that doesn't even come close to fun, just weird.
Do me one favor Watch the movie "Grave of the Fireflies" This is a brilliant drama which I use to show other people who don't know anime that it can be a great medium to tell a story. I might not agree with your opinion on anime on this point, but please watch this movie, it might change your mind. PS. I haven't seen all episodes yet of the GITS series, but from what I've seen it's worth a score of 7 out of 10. Animation is good, so is the music. Can't say much about the story myself yet.
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