New kernels are coming out weekly/biweekly, so where is the news in that?
True, hardcore nerds already got the new kernels before it is announced at./, so who would found it interesting enough to put it on./, except wannabees that is...
Bjarne, who wonders when small changes to CVS's starts to be announced at./....
This is misunderstood liberalism, and the kind Monsanta et al is keen on using.
Actually the european consumers DO NOT want GM foods. And that's why US took Europe to court and made WTO rule against the EU decisions against GM food. EU do not want GM-food into our foodchains until it has been SAFE for comsumption and environment. And those evidence are non-existant!
AND supermarkedchains are having a battle of a lifetime keeping GM-food OUT of their stores (that's their policies). Producers are finding it hard to guruantee that their products is non-GM, since Monsanta have succeed in mixing most non-GM soya with GM-soya. So the choice producers are ending up with is either submit to Monsanta and loose sale or change production/recepies to NOT include soya alltogether, and thus raising productioncosts!
Lastly, organic food IS a booming business.
3)
We don't have the resources. And Denmark is more commited to environment-issues. Ie. our Minister of Environment wasn't very popular with the US-delegates at Kyoto!;-)
Since genetic enginered food isn't labled consumers have NO CHANCE whatsoever to say no to these untested food.
Most soya these day are genetically enginered. It's near impossible for farmers to obtain 'clean' soya, so genetic food enters early in the food-chain. Even organic-farmers are having a hard battle.
Soya and corn is a very common additive in most food, candybars... you name it. Only way to ensure that you are not endangering your health is to buy products that does NOT contain ANY kind of soya or corn.
So if you by 'choice' imply that people should just stop eating, you are correct!
2) Encryption/protection-laws.
The insain law originate from US and the pressure is comming from there: music-industries, movie-industries, NSA/NATO whoever with a control-, power-, moneyaddiction... ie US, land of the-oh-so-free (criminalise sex and hand out guns to everyone!).
3) Spying.
.... Denmark and other small european countries haven't the resources to spy!;-)
I don't think it's about spying and money, but that Europe is fed with US being an arrogant 'bastard' ignoring and forcing forreing government to go 'The American Way'.
1) US ignores global warming. US just pis on the agreements made in Rio and Kyoto. Ignoring the fact that their largest state, Alaska, is suffering severely from global warming.
2) Forcing genetic engineered food down our throut, even though there is no evidence that it's safe for humans and environment. Actually UK have had an increase of 50% of people who is allergic to soya, after the introduction of genetic modified soya.
3) Forcing very strict encryption- and data-protectionlaws. Thanks to the US it's now illegal in Denmark to make backup-copies. Hey, it's even 'illegal' to surf the web (yeah, really stupid law, but apparently the pressure was so strung that the law needed to be rushed through).
3) Spying on everyboddy. Echelon have been a hot subject i Europe. Everyboddy have heard about it and noboddy could prove it's existence until recently.
That was the last straw, and the Airbus-issue (eg. this is NOT france vs. US/UK, but Europe vs. US/UK) is just a welcome 'excuse' to tell US to stop bullying contries around.
People are using browsers, and when they are through the struggle of getting a connecting running they stop doing more.
Secondly the mistake browsers with 'the net' even though it's so much more.
Im running a channel on IRC for people with depression and angst. The main obstacle is getting people to use those 5 mins it takes dwl. and setting up a client. Apparently they prefer webchats flashing 10-15 linies limited history. Go figure....
And my dad, have set up a nice mailreader..... but he's using Netscape and calls me up quite often (how do I do this or that....)...
Lastly, UseNet actually lacks a whole lot. I kinda miss fidonet. On usenet eg. it's impossible to participate in any kind of political struggle unless you are an extremist og got a NewsReader with a heavy/AI-filter.... but if you have that NR there wont be anyone left to debate!;-)
Anyway, to sum up. For most people Web=Net. Most newbies don't know of IRC, UseNet, Talk, FTP, Gopher, Telnet/MUD... and that's why eg. ICQ have become such a success: old (cheap) wine on new bottles. When people don't know the free world of the net, it's easy to 'sell' what formerly have been freely available (and still is)....
I know of GeekGadgets, yes.... and ixemul.library... if there was something that would crash my amiga it was ixemul..
But GeekGadgets is just doing what Linux, xBSD, HURD etc. are doing... reimplementing Unix....
And I too REALLY REALLY miss YAM.
UAE/Linux will hopefully come out soon with a bsd-socket just like WinUAE. Then it's time to fire up under YAM, NewsRog and V3 again, and this linux-box might just be usable....;-)
15 years is still 15 years younger than *nix. But yes, I'm not saying AmigaOS is perfect, I'm just saying that AmigaOS (and other OS's) have a lot of ideas that would make *nix better (read usable).
Yes, I'm using Linux as of now and have been for some time, and it's plain to me what *nix is missing since I havn't taken a trip around Windows (like most ex-amigans) and getting frustrated by that OS.
Age is ok, when it comes to wine, antics and the like. But for technology it just doesn't cut it... else we would end up just like the car-industry... using decade-old engine technology with high fuel-consuming and thus increasing global warming more than necesary.
Why are so many *nix-geeks so conservative and immobile?
Well, perhaps because Linux 'sucks' when it comes to usability for non-geeks.
AmigaOS really have a lot of stuff that would make Linux a pleasing experience...
Face it, apart from the kernels, much *nix stuff is based around a 1/4 century old 'paradigm'. A really oldfashioned way of thinking.
I as an 'ex-amigan' really miss the Amiga. A lot of stuff I took for granted is missing in *nix and making everyday use more of a hassle than it should have been, if the *nix-community would go beyond the 70s way of thinking.
I miss a ordered disk-strockture, I miss the assigns, I miss that an app is placed in ONE location instead of all over the disk, I miss the simple double-click to start a program, I miss the Installer, I miss the intuitive way, I miss it's speed....
So why am I here using Linux and not still with the Amiga? Simply, AmigaOS only runs on m68k, has no protected memory, 'no' software, 'no' RTG/RTA, bound to a single platform, 'no' development....
Why is it that the OSS-community (apart from KDE, Gnome and a few others) are more commited to duplicate than innovate?
Why is it that 'all' free OS's is trying duplicate Unix? How many flavor do we really need? (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, HURD, Minix....)?
Why this continual struggle to catch up with windows and let M$ set the agenda?
Is it so terrible to go beyond Unix and Windows and create something new and innovative?
Don't dublicate... innovate!
... give AmigaOS a 'POSIX-layer' and a X-capable API, and you got a good startingpoint for something more innovative than all those *nix-clones.
Sadly the AROS-project doesn't have the attention of the OSS-community.
For some, OutLookExpress is the greatest email-client around. Personally it makes me wommit and stress' me. I prefer YAM (an Amiga email-clien), it's flexible, fast and intuitive... to me!
It's like deciding on which colour is the best!
No, choices is good. And with OpenSource anyone is aloved to 'steal' good ideas from eachother.
Then why not just stay with your dist's default setup (KWM or enlightenment). No one is forcing you to try out others. For people who don't like choices or descisions we've got Windows! I for one love BlackBox as WM, not the most popular. If 'Less Choices' was the way of things, BlackBox wouldn't exist! Bjarne
Granted, looking at the most common OS' you surely will get that impression.
With Mac and Windows you gotta stick to a narrow predifined path to stay out of trouble... well, for MacOS it's hardly possible to go outside this path, and for Windows you surely will end up with a massive headache if you try to take a 'detour'.
In the other trench we got the various *nix system, but unless you got vi and the likes in your blood, you're screwed.
And that seems to be the common view.Mac/Win are userfriendly but inflexible, *nix is flexible but userhostile. You gotta choose, because you can't have both.
Wrong! Take a look a AmigaOS and BeOS (I think), highly flexible and very userfriendly. I guess that's why a lot of people still stick with this 'outdated' OS, there is no alternative that gives the same pleasuere of using a computer.
Re-install is not a part of an Amiga-users vocabolary, I for one hasn't reinstalled once since '92 when I got my first HD.
So it IS possible to have both flexibility and ease-of-use at the same time.
But to get back to the monitor-problems. Someone might want to look into the CGX-prefs-program for Amiga. AmigaOS has the same problem as Linux: lack of drivers. But this program makes it very easy to create a monitor-file. No need for pens, calculators and the likes.
Well the RTFM is only valid as long as you got the FM.... None of those monitors I've played around with had a manual (either because I bought it second hand or because it never shipped with a manual... quite a lot of (cheap) HW doesn't ship with manuals).
Visiting the manufactorers homepage didn't help either, so on with a trial and error, paper, pens, calculators.... and a massive loss of hair...
XConfigurator is nice and can reduce your hassles from days to hours.
The day when we are down to minutes I'll be a happy and hairy man!
Slashdot Mirror
It's getting harder and harder to find to find websites where you can navigate and read the contenst.
Whatever happened to to make links?
Today it's just bloated, buggy M$-java all over the place. It seems like no webdesigner knows a single word of HTML.
Bjare
New kernels are coming out weekly/biweekly, so where is the news in that?
True, hardcore nerds already got the new kernels before it is announced at
Bjarne, who wonders when small changes to CVS's starts to be announced at
I agree with that major releases should be announced on
For major releases I would think something in the lines of XFree4.0, FreeBSD4.0, Linux2.4 and not all those nightly CVS-builds....
But I may be wrong, so would someone please explain to me what "major" includes and the difference between major and minor. Right now I don't see any.
Bjarne
Or is this just another should-have-been-on-Freshmeat-release-update?
Bjarne
I mean, why all these release updates?
Bjarne
1)
;-)
This is misunderstood liberalism, and the kind Monsanta et al is keen on using.
Actually the european consumers DO NOT want GM foods. And that's why US took Europe to court and made WTO rule against the EU decisions against GM food. EU do not want GM-food into our foodchains until it has been SAFE for comsumption and environment. And those evidence are non-existant!
AND supermarkedchains are having a battle of a lifetime keeping GM-food OUT of their stores (that's their policies). Producers are finding it hard to guruantee that their products is non-GM, since Monsanta have succeed in mixing most non-GM soya with GM-soya. So the choice producers are ending up with is either submit to Monsanta and loose sale or change production/recepies to NOT include soya alltogether, and thus raising productioncosts!
Lastly, organic food IS a booming business.
3)
We don't have the resources. And Denmark is more commited to environment-issues. Ie. our Minister of Environment wasn't very popular with the US-delegates at Kyoto!
Bjarne
1) Genetic enginered food.
Since genetic enginered food isn't labled consumers have NO CHANCE whatsoever to say no to these untested food.
Most soya these day are genetically enginered. It's near impossible for farmers to obtain 'clean' soya, so genetic food enters early in the food-chain. Even organic-farmers are having a hard battle.
Soya and corn is a very common additive in most food, candybars... you name it. Only way to ensure that you are not endangering your health is to buy products that does NOT contain ANY kind of soya or corn.
So if you by 'choice' imply that people should just stop eating, you are correct!
2) Encryption/protection-laws.
The insain law originate from US and the pressure is comming from there: music-industries, movie-industries, NSA/NATO whoever with a control-, power-, moneyaddiction... ie US, land of the-oh-so-free (criminalise sex and hand out guns to everyone!).
3) Spying.
.... Denmark and other small european countries haven't the resources to spy!
Bjarne
I don't think it's about spying and money, but that Europe is fed with US being an arrogant
'bastard' ignoring and forcing forreing government to go 'The American Way'.
1) US ignores global warming. US just pis on the agreements made in Rio and Kyoto. Ignoring the fact that their largest state, Alaska, is suffering severely from global warming.
2) Forcing genetic engineered food down our throut, even though there is no evidence that it's safe for humans and environment. Actually UK have had an increase of 50% of people who is allergic to soya, after the introduction of genetic modified soya.
3) Forcing very strict encryption- and data-protectionlaws. Thanks to the US it's now illegal in Denmark to make backup-copies. Hey, it's even 'illegal' to surf the web (yeah, really stupid law, but apparently the pressure was so strung that the law needed to be rushed through).
3) Spying on everyboddy. Echelon have been a hot subject i Europe. Everyboddy have heard about it and noboddy could prove it's existence until recently.
That was the last straw, and the Airbus-issue (eg. this is NOT france vs. US/UK, but Europe vs. US/UK) is just a welcome 'excuse' to tell US to stop bullying contries around.
Bjarne
People are using browsers, and when they are through the struggle of getting a connecting running they stop doing more.
Secondly the mistake browsers with 'the net' even though it's so much more.
Im running a channel on IRC for people with depression and angst. The main obstacle is getting people to use those 5 mins it takes dwl. and setting up a client. Apparently they prefer webchats flashing 10-15 linies limited history. Go figure....
And my dad, have set up a nice mailreader..... but he's using Netscape and calls me up quite often (how do I do this or that....)...
Lastly, UseNet actually lacks a whole lot. I kinda miss fidonet. On usenet eg. it's impossible to participate in any kind of political struggle unless you are an extremist og got a NewsReader with a heavy/AI-filter.... but if you have that NR there wont be anyone left to debate!
Anyway, to sum up. For most people Web=Net. Most newbies don't know of IRC, UseNet, Talk, FTP, Gopher, Telnet/MUD... and that's why eg. ICQ have become such a success: old (cheap) wine on new bottles. When people don't know the free world of the net, it's easy to 'sell' what formerly have been freely available (and still is)....
Bjarne
I know of GeekGadgets, yes.... and ixemul.library... if there was something that would crash my amiga it was ixemul..
But GeekGadgets is just doing what Linux, xBSD, HURD etc. are doing... reimplementing Unix....
And I too REALLY REALLY miss YAM.
UAE/Linux will hopefully come out soon with a bsd-socket just like WinUAE. Then it's time to fire up under YAM, NewsRog and V3 again, and this linux-box might just be usable....
Bjarne
15 years is still 15 years younger than *nix. But yes, I'm not saying AmigaOS is perfect, I'm just saying that AmigaOS (and other OS's) have a lot of ideas that would make *nix better (read usable).
Yes, I'm using Linux as of now and have been for some time, and it's plain to me what *nix is missing since I havn't taken a trip around Windows (like most ex-amigans) and getting frustrated by that OS.
Age is ok, when it comes to wine, antics and the like. But for technology it just doesn't cut it... else we would end up just like the car-industry... using decade-old engine technology with high fuel-consuming and thus increasing global warming more than necesary.
Why are so many *nix-geeks so conservative and immobile?
Bjarne
Well, Linux, xBSD et al. are only great in the kernel aspect, that it's OSS and there is developed software for it.
For the rest, it's just a pain in the butt. Eg. configuring your ppp-connection, configuring you X-driver etc. etc....
*nix have a lot to learn from other OS's (not just Amiga mind you), but the thoughtpattern among geeks is: if i aint broke don't fix it...
I've discussed this issue with other linux-geeks and have come across a mentality that doesn't differ much from that of M$.
The M$-way: Don't like our product? Then don't use it then (well, knowing Mr. and Mrs. Everyday don't have any other choice, because...)
The M$-way: Don't find it userfriendly? Who cares, just learn it or scram, stupid!
.... just my 2 øre!
Bjarne
Well, perhaps because Linux 'sucks' when it comes to usability for non-geeks.
AmigaOS really have a lot of stuff that would make Linux a pleasing experience...
Face it, apart from the kernels, much *nix stuff is based around a 1/4 century old 'paradigm'. A really oldfashioned way of thinking.
I as an 'ex-amigan' really miss the Amiga. A lot of stuff I took for granted is missing in *nix and making everyday use more of a hassle than it should have been, if the *nix-community would go beyond the 70s way of thinking.
I miss a ordered disk-strockture, I miss the assigns, I miss that an app is placed in ONE location instead of all over the disk, I miss the simple double-click to start a program, I miss the Installer, I miss the intuitive way, I miss it's speed....
So why am I here using Linux and not still with the Amiga? Simply, AmigaOS only runs on m68k, has no protected memory, 'no' software, 'no' RTG/RTA, bound to a single platform, 'no' development....
Why is it that the OSS-community (apart from KDE, Gnome and a few others) are more commited to duplicate than innovate?
Why is it that 'all' free OS's is trying duplicate Unix? How many flavor do we really need? (Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, HURD, Minix
Why this continual struggle to catch up with windows and let M$ set the agenda?
Is it so terrible to go beyond Unix and Windows and create something new and innovative?
Don't dublicate... innovate!
... give AmigaOS a 'POSIX-layer' and a X-capable API, and you got a good startingpoint for something more innovative than all those *nix-clones.
Sadly the AROS-project doesn't have the attention of the OSS-community.
Bjarne
What makes 'A Great Client'(tm)?
For some, OutLookExpress is the greatest email-client around.
Personally it makes me wommit and stress' me. I prefer YAM (an Amiga
email-clien), it's flexible, fast and intuitive... to me!
It's like deciding on which colour is the best!
No, choices is good. And with OpenSource anyone is aloved to 'steal'
good ideas from eachother.
Bjarne
Then why not just stay with your dist's default setup (KWM or enlightenment). No one is forcing you to try out others. For people who don't like choices or descisions we've got Windows! I for one love BlackBox as WM, not the most popular. If 'Less Choices' was the way of things, BlackBox wouldn't exist! Bjarne
Granted, looking at the most common OS' you surely will get that
impression.
With Mac and Windows you gotta stick to a narrow predifined path to
stay out of trouble... well, for MacOS it's hardly possible to go
outside this path, and for Windows you surely will end up with a
massive headache if you try to take a 'detour'.
In the other trench we got the various *nix system, but unless you got
vi and the likes in your blood, you're screwed.
And that seems to be the common view.Mac/Win are userfriendly but
inflexible, *nix is flexible but userhostile. You gotta choose,
because you can't have both.
Wrong! Take a look a AmigaOS and BeOS (I think), highly flexible and
very userfriendly. I guess that's why a lot of people still stick with
this 'outdated' OS, there is no alternative that gives the same
pleasuere of using a computer.
Re-install is not a part of an Amiga-users vocabolary, I for one
hasn't reinstalled once since '92 when I got my first HD.
So it IS possible to have both flexibility and ease-of-use at the same
time.
But to get back to the monitor-problems. Someone might want to look
into the CGX-prefs-program for Amiga. AmigaOS has the same problem as
Linux: lack of drivers. But this program makes it very easy to create
a monitor-file. No need for pens, calculators and the likes.
- Bjarne
Well the RTFM is only valid as long as you got the FM.... None of
those monitors I've played around with had a manual (either
because I bought it second hand or because it never shipped with a
manual... quite a lot of (cheap) HW doesn't ship with manuals).
Visiting the manufactorers homepage didn't help either, so on with a
trial and error, paper, pens, calculators.... and a massive loss of
hair...
XConfigurator is nice and can reduce your hassles from days to hours.
The day when we are down to minutes I'll be a happy and hairy man!
- Bjarne