Sure, great if you're a hosting company or iTunes but is that really enough of a savings for the amount of change needed to implement it for the rest of us?
I'm not sure you quite understand what "the rest of us" means. "The rest of us" do not read HTTP headers (and even fewer do it without a tool that is converting it into a more readable format anyway). When browser makers boast a 5% speed up (source) then I would say yes 10%-20% is enough to warrant someone implementing it.
Additionally- how do you think that plaintext gets transmitted?! Your tool is already converting from a binary protocol to a human readable format. Now it will be able to use less binary to convey the same information.
The client should maintain its state locally, and should use XHR to fetch precisely the data it needs in order to update the view.
That method doesn't fall back very gracefully which is a requirement to some people / projects. Also populist opinion on Slashdot is that sites that require Javascript are written by know-nothings (disclaimer: not my opinion).
The majority of Windows users would still choose Windows over the alternatives. It's easy to see because the majority of people use Windows. It's disingenuous to say that Windows users would all switch if someone just told them they could. Apple have been barraging people with advertising for years and Windows still owns the market.
As far as compiling goes... for the general Windows-using public, they wouldn't care; they would go the regular route and install distribution-specific package from the repositories.
That's exactly my point- that is all they would be capable of doing. As soon as something is not in the package repositories they're just out of luck. Most things in the repositories are targeted at Linux power users. Navigating them can be a pain (you either know the name of what you're looking for or you can go through big lists of half completed projects). On Windows they bring home an install disc / download an exe or msi and follow a few "Click next" screens and they're good to go.
No average user is going to decide to wipe their OS and try a new one in the off chance that its repositories have the software they want.
I'd love for you to name some of these "limitations" and "quirks" of Windows that I'm so used to and that aren't also problems on Linux or OSX. Name one thing that is a problem on Windows that does not have an analogous issue on the other OSes. You're so sure of yourself you had to bring up fuzzy thing"s" (calling one thing by its name and its abbreviation doesn't make it two things) from the past instead of listing an actual example.
I know this is popular to say around here but the answer isn't "never" or even "close to no one". It is a lot of people. I am one of them.
There are things I love on Linux and things I hate on Windows but if you want "gets out of the way" and "just works" Windows is the way to go. On Windows I can always find a piece of software to suit my needs; even if I would prefer to use Kate over Notepad++ (The only half usable editor I've found on Mac is TextWrangler).
The issue is how much do you have to fight with your system? Want the newest version of Postgres? Windows: install it. Debian: check repository and find an old version. Now you're compiling it from source and fighting with requirements and fighting the package manager. This is very common on Linux. The fighting becomes less when you are very skilled at it but that is definitely not an OS that gets out of the way.
IT departments like Windows because of the powerful, simple, maintained and supported administration options.
Windows does not maintain dominance on momentum alone. Microsoft may be incredibly stupid / greedy / blind but they have at least a few very skilled engineers and programmers.
And if they aren't paying attention and pull in while traveling slower than you? Or turn out form a side street without sufficient space? If you don't have room to brake you don't have room to brake.
There are several reasons you could rear-end someone and not be at fault (most involve someone merging without sufficient space). The fact that you say that with such authority and that so many people have up-modded you is either indicative of a growing readerbase of people too young to drive or a causative factor of why there are so many auto-collisions.
It would be pretty hard to tell if it's bare because of an active mine / abandoned mine / plain old Canadian Shield. There are some pretty bare areas around Sudbury, ON (history of nickle mining there) but there are any number of reasons why.
"you need a real computer with a terminal to do real work..." or when the mouse first came out and people said "you need a keyboard and shortcut keys to do real work..."
A PC has all of those things...
For example, it's far better than a PC for reading documentation, you can actual take notes on it, it makes a great white board or overlay for writing on presentations, and it's a lot easier to do a quick web search on one as well. Rather than view it as a PC replacement, view it as a different tool that complements it.
Are you serious here? Are you actually that delusional? The only better aspect it has is being able to move more freely. Other than that I would much rather look at docs on my much much larger screen that doesn't dim and shut off every few seconds. By the time you are done navigating an ipad to the search screen and typing in your query (let's hope it's a short one) I've already found my answer on a computer. Definitely not faster for web searches. And as for taking notes / white board blah blah- I can do all that on a computer much more efficiently than a tablet. I can actually type or use the mouse to draw. Which is far better than finger painting on a tablet.
You are not "thinking differently" you are conveniently forgetting what a real computer is capable of. Sure, go ahead and tack on a bluetooth keyboard and try to regain some lost capability but in the end it is still not as capable.
I can most certainly recompile an SSH client to write all data to a file completely without the knowledge of the SSH server. This is the scenario that DRM has to avoid. So no, not the same way peer-to-peer encryption works at all. They want to give the data to the client without trusting the client and that is not possible if the client can compile their own software.
Ironically, launching Control Panel on Win8 is actually faster than on Win7 (by default). Right-click the Start button (yes it exists; it was just hidden by default) or hit Win+X, and select "Control Panel" from the menu that appears. Easy and straightforward.
Start -> Control Panel
I can do that with two mouse clicks, one keyboard press + one mouse click, or a couple other keyboard presses if i don't want to take my hands off it.
Please explain how Win8 is "actually" faster than that.
That's exactly the problem. If the user can't remember the name of the program (humans are known for their forgetfulness) then without a menu / list to remind them they are boned.
Full form post-backs are anything but "polished". That is why people push away from them.
The reason for the "latest, shiniest technology" is because they provide the end user with a nicer and more polished experience. Despite the handful of people that loudly claim that form posts "work" they are in the huge minority. A small to medium sized web-application can cost anywhere from $60000 to $120000 and no one is going to accept a clunky no-JavaScript, everything is a post-back application for that.
The majority of people want a rich user experience, the majority of people are not using a browser that doesn't support JavaScript. The majority of people want things to look and feel modern and not feel like they're using a piece of shit from mid 2000.
No it is not. Not unless you are driving a hybrid- which is hardly common.
Oil is a once a year thing, since I don't drive 10k miles in a year. Tires would be every 4 or 5 and brakes would be every couple years tops.
So let me get this straight. $200-$600 a month is outrages and the only way that could be spent is because of leased cars because your incredibly niche use of a car (read: next to no use at all) doesn't cost that much. Is that what I am to take away from this?
I'm not actually sure you own a car or you just have someone else pay the bills. I pay no where near $200 on insurance and even my monthly expenditure is probably over $200. $50 a month on gas is extremely cheap. I'm probably more $80-$100 on normal city driving (then again gas is probably more expensive here than where you are). Do you never replace the oil in your car? Replace the brakes? New tires?
High insurance is a fact of life for young people (under 25). Good luck starting at lower than $130 (in Canada at least). And that skyrockets if you get a speeding ticket or two. No DUIs required.
A good month is probably on the low end of $200. Cars require maintenance however and a $600 bill for normal maintenance is nothing.
Once you add up insurance and gas plus other common maintenance you are easily over $200 a month (a lot of people that's insurance alone). Add in some other standard maintenance and you are easily over $600 (I know I was this month).
If you don't know basic terms that deal with the periodic table then just maybe you aren't qualified to comment on whether or not a redesign could be useful.
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Sure, great if you're a hosting company or iTunes but is that really enough of a savings for the amount of change needed to implement it for the rest of us?
I'm not sure you quite understand what "the rest of us" means. "The rest of us" do not read HTTP headers (and even fewer do it without a tool that is converting it into a more readable format anyway). When browser makers boast a 5% speed up (source) then I would say yes 10%-20% is enough to warrant someone implementing it.
Additionally- how do you think that plaintext gets transmitted?! Your tool is already converting from a binary protocol to a human readable format. Now it will be able to use less binary to convey the same information.
The client should maintain its state locally, and should use XHR to fetch precisely the data it needs in order to update the view.
That method doesn't fall back very gracefully which is a requirement to some people / projects. Also populist opinion on Slashdot is that sites that require Javascript are written by know-nothings (disclaimer: not my opinion).
The majority of Windows users would still choose Windows over the alternatives. It's easy to see because the majority of people use Windows. It's disingenuous to say that Windows users would all switch if someone just told them they could. Apple have been barraging people with advertising for years and Windows still owns the market.
As far as compiling goes... for the general Windows-using public, they wouldn't care; they would go the regular route and install distribution-specific package from the repositories.
That's exactly my point- that is all they would be capable of doing. As soon as something is not in the package repositories they're just out of luck. Most things in the repositories are targeted at Linux power users. Navigating them can be a pain (you either know the name of what you're looking for or you can go through big lists of half completed projects). On Windows they bring home an install disc / download an exe or msi and follow a few "Click next" screens and they're good to go. No average user is going to decide to wipe their OS and try a new one in the off chance that its repositories have the software they want.
I'd love for you to name some of these "limitations" and "quirks" of Windows that I'm so used to and that aren't also problems on Linux or OSX. Name one thing that is a problem on Windows that does not have an analogous issue on the other OSes. You're so sure of yourself you had to bring up fuzzy thing"s" (calling one thing by its name and its abbreviation doesn't make it two things) from the past instead of listing an actual example.
I know this is popular to say around here but the answer isn't "never" or even "close to no one". It is a lot of people. I am one of them.
There are things I love on Linux and things I hate on Windows but if you want "gets out of the way" and "just works" Windows is the way to go. On Windows I can always find a piece of software to suit my needs; even if I would prefer to use Kate over Notepad++ (The only half usable editor I've found on Mac is TextWrangler).
The issue is how much do you have to fight with your system? Want the newest version of Postgres? Windows: install it. Debian: check repository and find an old version. Now you're compiling it from source and fighting with requirements and fighting the package manager. This is very common on Linux. The fighting becomes less when you are very skilled at it but that is definitely not an OS that gets out of the way.
IT departments like Windows because of the powerful, simple, maintained and supported administration options.
Windows does not maintain dominance on momentum alone. Microsoft may be incredibly stupid / greedy / blind but they have at least a few very skilled engineers and programmers.
I know right- without a multi-million dollar salary who would bother to stay in shape or enjoy sports?
And if they aren't paying attention and pull in while traveling slower than you? Or turn out form a side street without sufficient space? If you don't have room to brake you don't have room to brake.
There are several reasons you could rear-end someone and not be at fault (most involve someone merging without sufficient space). The fact that you say that with such authority and that so many people have up-modded you is either indicative of a growing readerbase of people too young to drive or a causative factor of why there are so many auto-collisions.
Some areas have a thing called Winter. Or is hibernation on your list of life changes?
It would be pretty hard to tell if it's bare because of an active mine / abandoned mine / plain old Canadian Shield. There are some pretty bare areas around Sudbury, ON (history of nickle mining there) but there are any number of reasons why.
"you need a real computer with a terminal to do real work..." or when the mouse first came out and people said "you need a keyboard and shortcut keys to do real work..."
A PC has all of those things...
For example, it's far better than a PC for reading documentation, you can actual take notes on it, it makes a great white board or overlay for writing on presentations, and it's a lot easier to do a quick web search on one as well. Rather than view it as a PC replacement, view it as a different tool that complements it.
Are you serious here? Are you actually that delusional? The only better aspect it has is being able to move more freely. Other than that I would much rather look at docs on my much much larger screen that doesn't dim and shut off every few seconds. By the time you are done navigating an ipad to the search screen and typing in your query (let's hope it's a short one) I've already found my answer on a computer. Definitely not faster for web searches. And as for taking notes / white board blah blah- I can do all that on a computer much more efficiently than a tablet. I can actually type or use the mouse to draw. Which is far better than finger painting on a tablet.
You are not "thinking differently" you are conveniently forgetting what a real computer is capable of. Sure, go ahead and tack on a bluetooth keyboard and try to regain some lost capability but in the end it is still not as capable.
I can most certainly recompile an SSH client to write all data to a file completely without the knowledge of the SSH server. This is the scenario that DRM has to avoid. So no, not the same way peer-to-peer encryption works at all. They want to give the data to the client without trusting the client and that is not possible if the client can compile their own software.
No, I assure you that would only generate more complaints.
Ironically, launching Control Panel on Win8 is actually faster than on Win7 (by default). Right-click the Start button (yes it exists; it was just hidden by default) or hit Win+X, and select "Control Panel" from the menu that appears. Easy and straightforward.
Start -> Control Panel
I can do that with two mouse clicks, one keyboard press + one mouse click, or a couple other keyboard presses if i don't want to take my hands off it.
Please explain how Win8 is "actually" faster than that.
That's exactly the problem. If the user can't remember the name of the program (humans are known for their forgetfulness) then without a menu / list to remind them they are boned.
Nerds get married too.
Full form post-backs are anything but "polished". That is why people push away from them.
The reason for the "latest, shiniest technology" is because they provide the end user with a nicer and more polished experience. Despite the handful of people that loudly claim that form posts "work" they are in the huge minority. A small to medium sized web-application can cost anywhere from $60000 to $120000 and no one is going to accept a clunky no-JavaScript, everything is a post-back application for that.
The majority of people want a rich user experience, the majority of people are not using a browser that doesn't support JavaScript. The majority of people want things to look and feel modern and not feel like they're using a piece of shit from mid 2000.
Okay, I think I'm following you but let me make sure:
If there was a problem with the "old" way then it was the developer's fault.
And,
If there's a problem with the "new" way it's because we should be using the "old" way.
Do I have that right?
You must be new here- read around a bit. Slashdot is definitely the audience for sensationalist hyperbole.
Applications- where code execution is expected.
What exactly do you think the Internet is? It is a very large collection of untrusted nodes connected in a network.
My car is getting ~50mpg
No it is not. Not unless you are driving a hybrid- which is hardly common.
Oil is a once a year thing, since I don't drive 10k miles in a year. Tires would be every 4 or 5 and brakes would be every couple years tops.
So let me get this straight. $200-$600 a month is outrages and the only way that could be spent is because of leased cars because your incredibly niche use of a car (read: next to no use at all) doesn't cost that much. Is that what I am to take away from this?
I'm not actually sure you own a car or you just have someone else pay the bills. I pay no where near $200 on insurance and even my monthly expenditure is probably over $200. $50 a month on gas is extremely cheap. I'm probably more $80-$100 on normal city driving (then again gas is probably more expensive here than where you are). Do you never replace the oil in your car? Replace the brakes? New tires?
High insurance is a fact of life for young people (under 25). Good luck starting at lower than $130 (in Canada at least). And that skyrockets if you get a speeding ticket or two. No DUIs required.
A good month is probably on the low end of $200. Cars require maintenance however and a $600 bill for normal maintenance is nothing.
* All prices CAD
Once you add up insurance and gas plus other common maintenance you are easily over $200 a month (a lot of people that's insurance alone). Add in some other standard maintenance and you are easily over $600 (I know I was this month).
If you don't know basic terms that deal with the periodic table then just maybe you aren't qualified to comment on whether or not a redesign could be useful.