Intolerant pricks these days have become intolerant of other peoples' opinions. It's funny that the NYT would publish this considering their left leaning stupidity. Yeah if you don't agree with us, you're a troll. Fuck that, I haven't lived all these decades to just to the party line. Don't like it? Too bad.
I wasn't changing the subject, just pointing out that you're a bit fanatical on this subject. You sure you don't have a brown shirt or two in the closet? Just following orders is not the same as a person doing a 9 to 5 at a job making a living. I also pointed out that the current administration views the press and whistle blowers as treasonous entities, something which you blew right on by. So instead of canonizing St. Snowden here you should wake up and smell the cat shit. Most of the crap dumped out there as gospel is utter shit, poorly produced and there's no fucking way in hell that given his access, he'd have any knowledge of strategic planning at the NSA. Todays Cyberbot bullshit is just that, bullshit.
It also seems that living in a nation of laws you don't want to abide by them and change them from within. You're labeling people for being evil when all they're doing is their job. That makes you intolerant. Somewhere, somebody got the idea that it would be good to do this; collecting metadata et al. All three branches of government are a fault here and we as the voting public are also culpable for letting it happen. It's time to fix it but you just can't trust everything you read, especially from somebody who's compromised and an attention whore. Despite your non-beliefs to the contrary, Snowden is wanted in this country under the laws that have been established to deal with this kind of crime. If you feel morally outraged, then you have a right to protest, lobby, arm twist whoever you want but that doesn't make people fundamentally trying to protect our nation evil scumbags.
Your perception on lying is interesting to. How do you know any of this material is credible? You're taking on faith from a guy who had an agenda. He violated his oath of secrecy to, and there's penalties for that. I'm not arguing the morality of it, but it's still against the law and until laws are changed or courts throw it out it's still the law. If we all decided to ignore laws we thought were morally wrong we'd have a game like Twisted Metal on the streets. Speed limit? Fuck That it's wrong? Murder? Fuck that it's wrong I'll kill my neighbor if he plays that stereo too loud. Yeah it'd be a much better place to live.
Still a law and until it's repealed or deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS, it's the law. That point can't be argued. You can choose to ignore the law and then of course there's penalties associated with it. The EFF and ACLU have been working cases through the courts but there's procedures involved. Eventually a case will get in front of them.
I'm doing as much as someone who isn't a charismatic leader of a giant movement can do: Not much, but everything you can think of.
Good for you, now get off Snowden's nutsack and think for a few moments about what's being released and how credible it is. Ask yourself since he's been out of the "loop" for quite sometime how would he know about these new revelations? No idea? How about the people who are nurturing him in Russia? He's a talking head now for the Russian government and is no different than that idiot Max Keiser on Russia Today, probably with much less crack though.
I'd say everything after the initial dump is pretty much compromised just to draw attention to it. An opinion? Yes but the quality of the work makes me more nervous if it were true because a lot of it looks amateurish and for what the taxpayers have been footing the bill for this, I want my money back.
Yes, disgusting. Evil scumbags. If they think that violating the highest law of the land and people's fundamental rights are the right things to do, then that makes them even worse. Anyone still working for the NSA is utterly devoid of morals. This isn't up for debate.
You know a lot of people working in the intelligence community aren't evil scumbags. Sorry to burst your bubble there but they're not. They're people who have a job to do and have been given instructions to do that job. Unfortunately their leaders are evil scumbags and that's where your venting should be focused.
History doesn't do anything. It's just a concept used to describe things that happened in the past. It's not as if history is some sort of living entity.
Even if people lie, that doesn't change reality. I'm speaking of these on a purely technical basis.
History is written by people who have publishers and usually sponsors, all of which have an agenda. If you go to school and study history you'll find many errors and omissions that are in direct contradiction to other sources. To put that in perspective If you're a latter day twit who believes in Wikipedia, just think of how many thousands of edits are done daily by people with agendas. The MH17 crash, the Russians were found to be editing the information on the page. Congressional staff editing pages to color information their way. So does history do anything? Yes it does because it legitimizes the actions of people and puts emphasis on events that they want you to remember. I'm sure if the Nazis had won World War II or come to a stalemate with the Allies they'd have written off the death camps as something benign and where unfortunate occurrences of malnutrition and dysentery broke out causing the deaths of millions because of all the people they were trying to re-educate. Oh and the Nazis had laws that allowed them to do it too. Feel better now?
Spin doctors exist everywhere and right now Snowden is a puppet boy in the hands of the Russians. Whether it's by design or accident he's been compromised and he's still wanted for espionage in this country.
Until SCOTUS rules on what is, or isn't constitutional then it's still the law. That doesn't change anything.
Even if he did, all that would mean is that the laws are wrong.
So do something about it! It wouldn't the first time in history that laws have been passed that are unjust but that's life. Of course we could live in a dictatorship and then we'd have less to worry about our liberties while big brother takes care of us.
Maybe reporters are eager to see what he has to say, given his position? Maybe he feels he can convince some people to come to his side in the face of an ever more corrupt government. Our media sure as hell isn't doing their job.
You seem to be assuming that anyone who has a message for others is an attention whore. Stop acting like a religious fundamentalist by telling others what they think. You're not Snowden, so you don't know his motivations, and neither do I. And frankly, it's fucking irrelevant. What matters are the NSA's disgusting activites. That sure doesn't stop people from trying to shift the topic away from the NSA's treasonous behavior to useless speculation about how Snowden is a traitor or a puppet.
Disgusting? strong term there and there's a lot of folks who probably work for the NSA thinking that they're doing the right thing. It's all what side of the argument you're on. Snowden did violate the espionage act by releasing the information. Now what's in that information is what we all have to deal with. No hype, no drama just take care of it by forcing DC to get the fuck out of our lives. That should be the focus not some attention whore in Russia.
False dichotomy. It is not an either/or. You can be a patriot *and* a spy. Well, if you think that someone is a "spy" for leaking documents showing that the government violated the highest law of the land, people's individual liberties, and basis morality. If you think that qualifies as a spy, then I'm 100% okay with that kind of spy.
Furthermore, history doesn't dictate facts. I mean, you can try to hide facts, but that isn't the same as changing them. History can't dictate that 1 + 1 = 3.
History doesn't dictate facts? Right now: spy in 20 years: patriot perhaps? It's an either or situation, guaranteed. Who the fuck do you think writes the history books, the victors. History is replete with outrageous acts of cruelty and unjust acts and countries with laws that were unjust. It doesn't change the fact that they were done and it doesn't change the fact that the guy violated the espionage laws of this country. There are whistle blower protection laws but the current administration seems to think that that's spying and treasonous as well, so again, the elected officials are creating this shit and history will be written by future generations and hopefully they'll look back and respect how we unfuck ourselves from this mess. If the whistle blower law had stronger protections then this kind of information could have been handled in a different way. Right now unfortunately for old puppet boy he's a spy, he's been painted as one and his acts are that of somebody committing espionage. There are lawyers in this country who'd represent him and make the arguments in court on his behalf and it would be up to a judge/jury to decide his guilt. Oh and if you think this idiot in the white house is fair when it comes to leaked information, let's not forget our old TV Chelsey Manning who's now got a lovely retirement villa in Leavenworth KS.
"Don't pass unjust laws" where were you when they were being passed? that's the problem with people nowadays they want somebody else to take the blame. Hold your legislators and the courts responsible for the laws we have and look into the mirror as to who put them there.
For taking that course of action? I suppose so. But his course of action was not wrong, and thanks to that, we now have the details of what the government is doing and how it's doing it (or, for the more ignorant, that it was violating the constitution at all).
That's where you fall into a hole. It's perfectly legal for the government to spy on us. Why? The laws say it's okay along with executive orders authorizing things with a shadow court involved in rubber stamping it. If you had the regular court system involved, which the EFF and the ACLU have been doing then things progress. It's how the legal system works and until this gets to SCOTUS which I'm afraid will rubber stamp it, the NSA et al. is doing legal work under the cloak of a lot of paperwork covering their asses. Snowden on the other hand violated the espionage laws. If he didn't know he was doing that to begin with then he's just naive.
Copying. Also, I'm not sure what you're expecting from him now. He did what he set out to do. Are you saying that if you do one amazing thing, you must do amazing things forever thereafter or "it's all downhill from there"?
So why do we keep getting the attention whore in our faces all the time if he really wanted to get on with his life he'd shut the fuck up already. Oh wait the puppet masters in Russia are pulling the strings there so now he'll just drivel on and on and on about useless shit. Danger! Danger! the NSA is spying with new mental devices that are injected into our asses! Danger. It's all bullshit now, so he needs to just go off into the sunset.
A spy for the people, I guess. How would you suggest that we reign in on an unstoppable government that violates the constitution in secret as it pleases if we can't even have someone leak some documents? Is being a "spy" automatically bad? I don't think so, and this all assumes he could even be called a "spy" at all.
Spies usually are tried and either put away forever, hanged or traded for other spies. History will decide his role ultimately. I'm sure if the US had a few Russian Spies old Edward there would be coughed up like a bitch in prison for a few cigarettes.
The definition of patriotism you cited a few posts ago doesn't preclude him from being a patriot. It seems weird that this discussion of patriotism is happening again when you already agreed that Snowden's actions were patriotic (by citing such a definition, and admitting that you liked that he leaked the documents).
History, again, will dictate if he was a patriot or a spy. In the case of Pollard, case closed as he rots in Club Fed.
Then change the fucking laws by electing representatives that don't piss all over the constitution. That's the only way you'll fix the problem. Shit we've known for years the FISA court was out there and frankly the whole pseudo court system isn't unprecedented. Ever hear of Tax court? So to all the people who bitch and moan about how the country is spying on them, tell your fucking reps in DC to stop it. If they don't stop the spying then elect people who will and stop voting the party line in elections. If you don't then you have no room to bitch or complain.
And he has nobody to blame but himself. I'll give him credit for stealing a bunch of information and then publishing it, especially around the NSA's activities but after that it's all downhill from there. Wait. That's the definition of a spy isn't it? Maybe old John Pollard would like to be considered patriotic then?
You've obviously never heard of an Attention Whore then? Hey Lookie at me? I'm over here in Russia but I'm still relevant. Just like Assange these kinds of folks will do anything to get attention and focus. It's also in the Russian governments best interest to keep allowing him to be out in the public eye. Remember old Vlad Putin's statement on asylum in the first place "As long as he doesn't continue these leaks." Yeah right. He's now a puppet boy so he has to periodically dance.
Wound up? We delivered Russia its' biggest prize by trying to hunt him down now didn't we? If anyone is paranoid its' the US with good reason too I might ad. The truth is hard to deal with when you lie a lot. So stop being such a bad liar.
hunt him down? The news was released when he was in Hong Kong, the US revoked his passport which meant that most countries would only let him return to his country of origin. It wasn't like 30 assassins were on his ass. If there had been he would have been dead. Nope, when he released the info he became wanted, certainly and if he was a true patriot as he claims he'd have faced the music. Instead he's sitting in Russia with his new puppet masters putting out shit and drivel to make you think these new things are happening. He's not that smart, he's not that intelligent and some of the foibles that are being put out are just shit. Frankly the cover of Wired right now makes me more angry and respectful for what this retard has done.
I think a prosecutor could make that case considering where he wound up. He's become a mouthpiece for the Russian Government like Russia Today. In three years the Russians will dump him and he'll probably wind up in the Ecuadorian Embassy. Sound familiar?
It's only criminal if it's against the law. The world of legislation and executive orders have made it legal. We have to change the laws and elect politicians that respect the constitution rather than piss on it all the time. What Snowden did, by it's nature is Treason sadly enough and patriotic initially, now it's just pathetic and played the fuck out.
His 15 minutes are fucking up already. He's just discrediting himself publishing this kind of drivel. Next thing you'll hear from him is about his anal probing at the hands of aliens in Area 51. It's out there.
Well sadly FDs also get help from those Democracy loving nations around the world so it's not just fascists helping fascists out there. Lots of companies for example are helping the repression in Bahrain but nobody really says much because "there one of the good Arab nations"
Yeah and they do it because we let them do it. Frankly I have more hope of turning around the situation of over-surveillance all in the name of stopping crime/terrorism. Unfortunately in China, the people don't have much of a choice in the matter at all. It would be an opportunity to take the lead in China for human rights by getting rid of this system of repressing society and maybe the world would follow that lead.
You could just change the government there and allow people more freedoms, including religion. Being fascist dickwads certainly isn't helping things. I'm not an advocate for religious practice however peoples' beliefs can force them to do something awful just to draw attention to their plight. Instead of stabbing people randomly, people being repressed in China could be like Shen Yun and put on a show about it. No? Well okay carry on then creating something that'll put more people in jail or bring back the labor camps.
Why is it considered okay to do this until you get caught? Then you apologize? How about not stealing the information in the first place for starters. Fuckwads!
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So you're saying you don't like to debate then?
Intolerant pricks these days have become intolerant of other peoples' opinions. It's funny that the NYT would publish this considering their left leaning stupidity. Yeah if you don't agree with us, you're a troll. Fuck that, I haven't lived all these decades to just to the party line. Don't like it? Too bad.
Exactly the unemployment numbers from the Department of Labor are not telling of the true picture.
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I wasn't changing the subject, just pointing out that you're a bit fanatical on this subject. You sure you don't have a brown shirt or two in the closet? Just following orders is not the same as a person doing a 9 to 5 at a job making a living. I also pointed out that the current administration views the press and whistle blowers as treasonous entities, something which you blew right on by. So instead of canonizing St. Snowden here you should wake up and smell the cat shit. Most of the crap dumped out there as gospel is utter shit, poorly produced and there's no fucking way in hell that given his access, he'd have any knowledge of strategic planning at the NSA. Todays Cyberbot bullshit is just that, bullshit.
It also seems that living in a nation of laws you don't want to abide by them and change them from within. You're labeling people for being evil when all they're doing is their job. That makes you intolerant. Somewhere, somebody got the idea that it would be good to do this; collecting metadata et al. All three branches of government are a fault here and we as the voting public are also culpable for letting it happen. It's time to fix it but you just can't trust everything you read, especially from somebody who's compromised and an attention whore. Despite your non-beliefs to the contrary, Snowden is wanted in this country under the laws that have been established to deal with this kind of crime. If you feel morally outraged, then you have a right to protest, lobby, arm twist whoever you want but that doesn't make people fundamentally trying to protect our nation evil scumbags.
Your perception on lying is interesting to. How do you know any of this material is credible? You're taking on faith from a guy who had an agenda. He violated his oath of secrecy to, and there's penalties for that. I'm not arguing the morality of it, but it's still against the law and until laws are changed or courts throw it out it's still the law. If we all decided to ignore laws we thought were morally wrong we'd have a game like Twisted Metal on the streets. Speed limit? Fuck That it's wrong? Murder? Fuck that it's wrong I'll kill my neighbor if he plays that stereo too loud. Yeah it'd be a much better place to live.
We have a constitution which serves as the basis for our laws in this country. Whether those laws are correct is for the people to decide and unfortunately public opinion on the whole Snowden episode is now swinging towards not credible. See the spin doctors are winning.
An unconstitutional law.
Still a law and until it's repealed or deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS, it's the law. That point can't be argued. You can choose to ignore the law and then of course there's penalties associated with it. The EFF and ACLU have been working cases through the courts but there's procedures involved. Eventually a case
will get in front of them.
I'm doing as much as someone who isn't a charismatic leader of a giant movement can do: Not much, but everything you can think of.
Good for you, now get off Snowden's nutsack and think for a few moments about what's being released and how credible it is. Ask yourself since he's been out of the "loop" for quite sometime how would he know about these new revelations? No idea? How about the people who are nurturing him in Russia? He's a talking head now for the Russian government and is no different than that idiot Max Keiser on Russia Today, probably with much less crack though.
I'd say everything after the
initial dump is pretty much compromised just to draw attention to it. An opinion? Yes but the quality of the work makes me more nervous if it were true because a lot of it looks amateurish and for what the taxpayers have been footing the bill for this, I want my money back.
Yes, disgusting. Evil scumbags. If they think that violating the highest law of the land and people's fundamental rights are the right things to do, then that makes them even worse. Anyone still working for the NSA is utterly devoid of morals. This isn't up for debate.
You know a lot of people working in the intelligence community aren't evil scumbags. Sorry to burst your bubble there but they're not. They're people who have a job to do and have been given instructions to do that job. Unfortunately their leaders are evil scumbags and that's where your venting should be focused.
History doesn't do anything. It's just a concept used to describe things that happened in the past. It's not as if history is some sort of living entity.
Even if people lie, that doesn't change reality. I'm speaking of these on a purely technical basis.
History is written by people who have publishers and usually sponsors, all of which have an agenda. If you go to school and study history you'll find many errors and omissions that are in direct contradiction to other sources. To put that in perspective If you're a latter day twit who believes in Wikipedia, just think of how many thousands of edits are done daily by people with agendas. The MH17 crash, the Russians were found to be editing the information on the page. Congressional staff editing pages to color information their way. So does history do anything? Yes it does because it legitimizes the actions of people and puts emphasis on events that they want you to remember. I'm sure if the Nazis had won World War II or come to a stalemate with the Allies they'd have written off the death camps as something benign and where unfortunate occurrences of malnutrition and dysentery broke out causing the deaths of millions because of all the people they were trying to re-educate. Oh and the Nazis had laws that allowed them to do it too. Feel better now?
Spin doctors exist everywhere and right now Snowden is a puppet boy in the hands of the Russians. Whether it's by design or accident he's been compromised and he's still wanted for espionage in this country.
No, it isn't; it's 100% unconstitutional.
Until SCOTUS rules on what is, or isn't constitutional then it's still the law. That doesn't change anything.
Even if he did, all that would mean is that the laws are wrong.
So do something about it! It wouldn't the first time in history that laws have been passed that are unjust but that's life. Of course we could live in
a dictatorship and then we'd have less to worry about our liberties while big brother takes care of us.
Maybe reporters are eager to see what he has to say, given his position? Maybe he feels he can convince some people to come to his side in the face of an ever more corrupt government. Our media sure as hell isn't doing their job.
You seem to be assuming that anyone who has a message for others is an attention whore. Stop acting like a religious fundamentalist by telling others what they think. You're not Snowden, so you don't know his motivations, and neither do I. And frankly, it's fucking irrelevant. What matters are the NSA's disgusting activites. That sure doesn't stop people from trying to shift the topic away from the NSA's treasonous behavior to useless speculation about how Snowden is a traitor or a puppet.
Disgusting? strong term there and there's a lot of folks who probably work for the NSA thinking that they're doing the right thing. It's all what side of the argument you're on. Snowden did violate the espionage act by releasing the information. Now what's in that information is what we all have to deal with. No hype, no drama just take care of it by forcing DC to get the fuck out of our lives. That should be the focus not some attention whore in Russia.
False dichotomy. It is not an either/or. You can be a patriot *and* a spy. Well, if you think that someone is a "spy" for leaking documents showing that the government violated the highest law of the land, people's individual liberties, and basis morality. If you think that qualifies as a spy, then I'm 100% okay with that kind of spy.
Furthermore, history doesn't dictate facts. I mean, you can try to hide facts, but that isn't the same as changing them. History can't dictate that 1 + 1 = 3.
History doesn't dictate facts? Right now: spy in 20 years: patriot perhaps? It's an either or situation, guaranteed. Who the fuck do you think writes the history books, the victors. History is replete with outrageous acts of cruelty and unjust acts and countries with laws that were unjust. It doesn't change the fact that they were done and it doesn't change the fact that the guy violated the espionage laws of this country. There are whistle blower protection laws but the current administration seems to think that that's spying and treasonous as well, so again, the elected officials are creating this shit and history will be written by future generations and hopefully they'll look back and respect how we unfuck ourselves from this mess. If the whistle blower law had stronger protections then this kind of information could have been handled in a different way. Right now unfortunately for old puppet boy he's a spy, he's been painted as one and his acts are that of somebody committing espionage. There are lawyers in this country who'd represent him and make the arguments in court on his behalf and it would be up to a judge/jury to decide his guilt. Oh and if you think this idiot in the white house is fair when it comes to leaked information, let's not forget our old TV Chelsey Manning who's now got a lovely retirement villa in Leavenworth KS.
"Don't pass unjust laws" where were you when they were being passed? that's the problem with people nowadays they want somebody else to take the blame. Hold your legislators and the courts responsible for the laws we have and look into the mirror as to who put them there.
For taking that course of action? I suppose so. But his course of action was not wrong, and thanks to that, we now have the details of what the government is doing and how it's doing it (or, for the more ignorant, that it was violating the constitution at all).
That's where you fall into a hole. It's perfectly legal for the government to spy on us. Why? The laws say it's okay along with executive orders authorizing things with a shadow court involved in rubber stamping it. If you had the regular court system involved, which the EFF and the ACLU have been doing then things progress. It's how the legal system works and until this gets to SCOTUS which I'm afraid will rubber stamp it, the NSA et al. is doing legal work under the cloak of a lot of paperwork covering their asses. Snowden on the other hand violated the espionage laws. If he didn't know he was doing that to begin with then he's just naive.
Copying. Also, I'm not sure what you're expecting from him now. He did what he set out to do. Are you saying that if you do one amazing thing, you must do amazing things forever thereafter or "it's all downhill from there"?
So why do we keep getting the attention whore in our faces all the time if he really wanted to get on with his life he'd shut the fuck up already. Oh wait the puppet masters in Russia are pulling the strings there so now he'll just drivel on and on and on about useless shit. Danger! Danger! the NSA is spying with new mental devices that are injected into our asses! Danger. It's all bullshit now, so he needs to just go off into the sunset.
A spy for the people, I guess. How would you suggest that we reign in on an unstoppable government that violates the constitution in secret as it pleases if we can't even have someone leak some documents? Is being a "spy" automatically bad? I don't think so, and this all assumes he could even be called a "spy" at all.
Spies usually are tried and either put away forever, hanged or traded for other spies. History will decide his role ultimately. I'm sure if the US had a few Russian Spies old Edward there would be coughed up like a bitch in prison for a few cigarettes.
The definition of patriotism you cited a few posts ago doesn't preclude him from being a patriot. It seems weird that this discussion of patriotism is happening again when you already agreed that Snowden's actions were patriotic (by citing such a definition, and admitting that you liked that he leaked the documents).
History, again, will dictate if he was a patriot or a spy. In the case of Pollard, case closed as he rots in Club Fed.
Then change the fucking laws by electing representatives that don't piss all over the constitution. That's the only way you'll fix the problem. Shit we've known for years the FISA court was out there and frankly the whole pseudo court system isn't unprecedented. Ever hear of Tax court? So to all the people who bitch and moan about how the country is spying on them, tell your fucking reps in DC to stop it. If they don't stop the spying then elect people who will and stop voting the party line in elections. If you don't then you have no room to bitch or complain.
And he has nobody to blame but himself. I'll give him credit for stealing a bunch of information and then publishing it, especially around the NSA's activities but after that it's all downhill from there. Wait. That's the definition of a spy isn't it? Maybe old John Pollard would like to be considered patriotic then?
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You forgot Michael Clarke Duncan
You've obviously never heard of an Attention Whore then? Hey Lookie at me? I'm over here in Russia but I'm still relevant. Just like Assange these kinds of folks will do anything to get attention and focus. It's also in the Russian governments best interest to keep allowing him to be out in the public eye. Remember old Vlad Putin's statement on asylum in the first place "As long as he doesn't continue these leaks." Yeah right. He's now a puppet boy so he has to periodically dance.
Early on, now he's just lame and anybody who believes the drivel after the initial doc release is being duped.
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No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
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Wound up?
We delivered Russia its' biggest prize by trying to hunt him down now didn't we?
If anyone is paranoid its' the US with good reason too I might ad.
The truth is hard to deal with when you lie a lot. So stop being such a bad liar.
hunt him down? The news was released when he was in Hong Kong, the US revoked his passport which meant that most countries would only let him return to his country of origin. It wasn't like 30 assassins were on his ass. If there had been he would have been dead. Nope, when he released the info he became wanted, certainly and if he was a true patriot as he claims he'd have faced the music. Instead he's sitting in Russia with his new puppet masters putting out shit and drivel to make you think these new things are happening. He's not that smart, he's not that intelligent and some of the foibles that are being put out are just shit. Frankly the cover of Wired right now makes me more angry and respectful for what this retard has done.
I think a prosecutor could make that case considering where he wound up. He's become a mouthpiece for the Russian Government like Russia Today. In three years the Russians will dump him and he'll probably wind up in the Ecuadorian Embassy. Sound familiar?
It's only criminal if it's against the law. The world of legislation and executive orders have made it legal. We have to change the laws and elect politicians that respect the constitution rather than piss on it all the time. What Snowden did, by it's nature is Treason sadly enough and patriotic initially, now it's just pathetic and played the fuck out.
His 15 minutes are fucking up already. He's just discrediting himself publishing this kind of drivel. Next thing you'll hear from him is about his anal probing at the hands of aliens in Area 51. It's out there.
Well sadly FDs also get help from those Democracy loving nations around the world so it's not just fascists helping fascists out there. Lots of companies for example are helping the repression in Bahrain but nobody really says much because "there one of the good Arab nations"
Yeah and they do it because we let them do it. Frankly I have more hope of turning around the situation of over-surveillance all in the name of stopping crime/terrorism. Unfortunately in China, the people don't have much of a choice in the matter at all. It would be an opportunity to take the lead in China for human rights by getting rid of this system of repressing society and maybe the world would follow that lead.
You could just change the government there and allow people more freedoms, including religion. Being fascist dickwads certainly isn't helping things. I'm not an advocate for religious practice however peoples' beliefs can force them to do something awful just to draw attention to their plight. Instead of stabbing people randomly, people being repressed in China could be like Shen Yun and put on a show about it. No? Well okay carry on then creating something that'll put more people in jail or bring back the labor camps.
Why is it considered okay to do this until you get caught? Then you apologize? How about not stealing the information in the first place for starters. Fuckwads!