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Snowden: NSA Working On Autonomous Cyberwarfare Bot
WIRED published a long piece on Edward Snowden today (worth a read on its own), and simultaneously broke news of "MonsterMind," an NSA program to monitor all network traffic and detect attacks, responding with a counterattack automatically. From the article: Although details of the program are scant, Snowden tells WIRED in an extensive interview with James Bamford that algorithms would scour massive repositories of metadata and analyze it to differentiate normal network traffic from anomalous or malicious traffic. Armed with this knowledge, the NSA could instantly and autonomously identify, and block, a foreign threat. More than this, though, Snowden suggests MonsterMind could one day be designed to return fire — automatically, without human intervention...
Snowden raised two issues with the program: the source of an attack could be spoofed to trick the U.S. into attacking an innocent third party, and the violation of the fourth amendment since the NSA would effectively need to monitor all domestic network traffic for the program to work. Also in Bamford's interview are allegations that the NSA knocked Syria offline in 2012 after an attempt to install intercept software on an edge router ended with the router being bricked.
Considering the absurd amounts of incompetence and waste we see with visible government entities, should we really be overly concerned about the NSA? Not saying I like them, or anything, but I'm not sure they're quite the beast we've made them out to be. Maybe.
Do the morons in NSA seriously believe that the USA is the only country with the technology to build a Digital Doomsday Machine? Has anyone of them watched Dr. Strangelove? Having said that, the level of hubris they are displaying seems about right.
Every US citizen is yelling for their constitutional rights broken by the NSA. But no Europeans complain about what the NSA is doing to THEM. Which is even worse. EU, fucking wake up.
or he knows what hes talking about. Treason is what the NSA is currently doing by failing to uphold the constitution, specifically the 4th amendment
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You should look up what Treason means. Because that's not what it means.
this is hardly in-depth; it's on the level of office gossip.
anyway, these things might have been mentioned in that pile o' data he snagged, you know, the reason you hate him so much? just a thought.
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That's funny, because the OP seems to very much be misunderstanding what it means, yet you didn't call him out on that.
Is there some valid reason you are supporting the NSA's criminal activity?
I actually didn't notice that part at the end of their post. I quickly established that it is a pretty dumb post and didn't read it very carefully.
If you think that "knowing what words mean" is equivalent to "supporting the NSA's criminal activity", then I don't know what to tell you.
Do you understand what he means? He is saying that if there was some real, genuine change due to his actions he would be willing to return and give evidence in open court, to help with that change, even if it meant a prison sentence due to the letter of the law.
That seems amazingly charitable, considering he should really get a presidential pardon and be welcomed back as the heroic guy who did the right thing to expose law breaking and billions of constitutional violations.
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Typical conservative knee-jerk selfish ego-centric reaction right here.
What is wrong with serving one's own country and being concerned when a shadowy agency deploys a digital net over everything?
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Newsflash! Slashdot already has been targeted by NSA!!
Don't take my word for it: Link 1 and Link 2.
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aren't we past this by now?
we've debated Snowden's actions ad infinitum
we've mapped the Snowden possible responses...everyone has expressed their opinions on his motivations...we've examined virtually every scenario
IMHO he was duped or blackmailed and is now essentially in jail in Russia...others say 'hero'...or 'traitor'
we know the whole universe of factors that could be combined to make an opinion on Snowden...we know all the possiblities...and have seen someone argue about them here on /.
**it's time we agree that spy agencies (CIA, NSA, etc) need more oversight & accountability & Snowden is more than he appears to be and has at least mixed motivations**
Thank you Dave Raggett
I find Snowden to be a typical pampered, ego-centric product of his generation. If he actually surrendered himself to US authorities unconditionally, I'd think he just might be insane. So I totally get why he is in Russia.
I suspect that you do not "totally get why he is in Russia." You're not, by chance, one of those idiots that watches Fox "news" and believes he "ran off the the Russians with our secrets," are you? So many fools seem to parrot that nonsense that I've lost faith in the average person to actually notice propaganda when it is in plain sight.
I seem to recall only a year ago that he was trapped in Russia (by the US government) while waiting on his plane. Yet, it seems that lies by the media have been repeated often enough that others' have had their memories altered.
It is according to the 9th amendment, which gives the people the right to claim the Constitution says anything they want it to say.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
What does it have to do with his generation (born 1983, so I guess borderline Millennial)? People have been doing similar things for at least the two generations prior to his. Did you forget the '60s?
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It's only criminal if it's against the law. The world of legislation and executive orders have made it legal. We have to change the laws and elect politicians that respect the constitution rather than piss on it all the time. What Snowden did, by it's nature is Treason sadly enough and patriotic initially, now it's just pathetic and played the fuck out.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
or he knows what hes talking about. Treason is what the NSA is currently doing by failing to uphold the constitution, specifically the 4th amendment
The NSA has blanket authority to do what they want. You do know they haven't stopped doing a thing. All these investigations are nothing more than a dog and pony show. The NSA is business as usual.
You should look up what Treason means. Because that's not what it means.
I did... per the constitution:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."
Base on that definition, neither are traitors under the constitution.
Per the English dictionary:
"the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government."
The NSA is clearly, and without a doubt violating the constitution. So I'd say by that definition, they are guilty. But it's not a legal definition, it's just descriptive. The NSA behaves in a "Treasonous" manner but they are not guilty of legally defined Treason.
Skynet? This looks awfully like the start of Terminator 3 movie...
I find Snowden to be a typical pampered, ego-centric product of his generation. If he actually surrendered himself to US authorities unconditionally, I'd think he just might be insane. So I totally get why he is in Russia. I'm not saying I approve of what he did as I don't, but I get why he felt the need to hide under protection to do what he did. But he undermines his credibility with statements in the article like this: I told the government I'd volunteer for prison, as long as it served the right purpose,” he says. “I care more about the country than what happens to me." Yeah. Right.
He's now a puppet for Russia who is playing a cyberwarfare game on the US in the media.
He won't be getting a Presidential pardon as long as he stays in Russia.
Whatever happens to him next is largely up to him, but let's be clear: continuing to seek "asylum" from the US, in Russia, given recent events, only hurts any case he might make about his motivations, and those motivations are the one and only thing with any potential at all to exonerate him.
Is there some valid reason you are supporting the NSA's criminal activity?
Yes. He is a traitor.
Triple agent... He's secretly sabotaging the Russian economy..
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
It's only criminal if it's against the law.
And it is. Sure, they keep asserting that it is legal, and yet it is so obviously against several parts of our constitution. 1st and 4th amendments being the first place to look.
What Snowden did, by it's nature is Treason sadly enough and patriotic initially, now it's just pathetic and played the fuck out.
No. You absolutely have no idea what you're talking about. You do not get to make up your own definition for "treason." Treason requires that he would be an operative working for a foreign enemy government, or acted to benefit enemies of this government. That is not the case.
You haven't been paying attention. The Germans and the French howl about this constantly (or at least their governments do). In addition, the Germans want to become full partners in it.
What Snowden did, by it's nature is Treason sadly enough
The reason that Snowden wasn't charged with Treason is that it would be a big stretch to prove that he provided "aid and comfort" to our enemies without any sort of active collaboration with anyone.
That's half true. You can "push" the law until the courts find you've broken it. Control the courts, control legality.
He acted for the benefit of the people of the United States, so he is working for an enemy of the United States government.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
This is pretty common knowledge in the Net Sec community. Has anyone ever heard of the DARPA cyber grand challenge? That's basically what it is.
http://www.darpa.mil/cybergrandchallenge/
You're YEARS out of government service
Year. Singular; one year.
The NSA/Pentagon/CIA always wants all sorts of bullshit scifi Star Trek shit.
Doesn't necessarily mean it's feasible.
It's easy to squander Other People's Money.
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That seems amazingly charitable, considering he should really get a presidential pardon and be welcomed back as the heroic guy who did the right thing to expose law breaking and billions of constitutional violations.
If the only thing he did was expose the illegal spying being done on Americans, I'd agree with that. But he indiscriminately takes everything he can get his hands on and reveals perfectly legal programs, like this one. "Identifying and blocking foreign threats" is the NSA's job, and why wouldn't that include cyber attacks? What justification does he have for revealing this?
I think we should specifically pardon him for for the relevant whistleblowing, to encourage other people in those positions to do the right thing. But we should sure as hell prosecute him for everything else he's leaked.
Seconded.
'WIRED published a long piece on .. "MonsterMind," an NSA program to monitor all network traffic and detect attacks, responding with a counterattack automatically. From the article:'
Will this "MonsterMind" work on non Microsoft Windows network traffic?
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he hasn't actually leaked anything. he gave all the docs he stole to greenwald and his team has been leaking them. his descision to go to russia came well after.
me fail english? thats unpossible
Then perhaps its time we change the definition of treason to cover this stuff. The 4th is more important than the NSA will ever be.
Good-bye
So you are supporting the NSA's criminal activity actively because of Snowden? Does that just mean you just don't want to lose your job?
"Identifying and blocking foreign threats" is the NSA's job
Sure, but that doesn't extend to knocking Syria off the internet or inserting back-doors into encryption standards or failing to report known vulnerabilities and the like. How about recording every single phone call in made in two countries? Some spying on foreign countries is expected and acceptable, but not the lengths the NSA has gone to. Spying on your allies, like Merkel, is definitely something America should be ashamed of and that the German people have a right to know about.
Knowing what is happening and their capabilities is essential for us to re-build the internet to be bulk-surveillance proof. There is zero chance of the NSA and GCHQ stopping what they are doing, so the only solution is technological.
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You're YEARS out of government service and if we're being honest, we're supposed to believe that you personally had in depth first hand technical knowledge of everything the NSA has ever and will ever do. There's two way to look at this. Either your paranoid soaked liar, or, you have a current contact in the NSA and you are bragging about committing treason.
Hold up dude. Snowden has not committed treason, at least if you are talking about the disclosure of classified information without authorization. Where that *could* be treason in some cases, I'm not sure that it is here. That's not to say Snowden wouldn't be found guilty of disclosing classified information and doing grave damage to the national security of the United States if he stood trial, nor does am I claiming he wouldn't find himself making small rocks out of big rocks for a very long time someplace in Kansas or even end up pushing up flowers. I just don't think treason would be the charge.
Now, if he persists in agreeing to be used by Putin as a PR tool and the conflict with Russia ramps up where his participation becomes materially important, then you might get a treason charge to stick.
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You think its right and normal that the NSA can spy on 7 billion souls? You re ok with that? Disgusting, you really dont belong here.
Good-bye
Well, the statement is a bit less impressive if you consider that he knows that there is exactly no chance in hell that this administration (or any the US would be getting any time soon) would or could change anything.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
thats their damn job.
Whatever happens to him next is largely up to him, but let's be clear: continuing to seek "asylum" from the US, in Russia, given recent events, only hurts any case he might make about his motivations, and those motivations are the one and only thing with any potential at all to exonerate him.
IMHO, Snowden is now adrift in the events and has zero real control. He's literally stuck between the rock (USA) and the hard place (Russia). What's going to happen next is that Putin will use him for as long as it is to his advantage. As soon as there is no more reason for Putin to keep him, then this whole story will quickly end and Snowden will find himself in handcuffs on his way to the USA. In the mean time, Snowden is stuck trying to remain valuable, which is why he's inventing things to keep his name in the news. They will only get more and more far fetched because Snowden is going to be desperate to stay relevant. He will fail.
My best guess is that Snowden will outlive his usefulness in Russia sometime before the USA's next president takes office. His best hope is that Russia grants him citizenship, but I give him a snowballs chance of that if he's not managed it yet.
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The law should apply to everyone.
As you yourself pointed out, the NSA did illegal spying on Americans. Where is the court case being pursued on them? And if there is no court case taking up the case against the NSA for their illegal spying. Why would Snowden have ANY reason to expect any fairness in a court case for him? And the Mainstream Media would "cowtow" to whatever info the government would want to expose.
except I would argue that the "government" is "the people" and as such, all he did was aid " the People" as such, he is no traitor. Hell jefferson even predicted that we would have overthrown the government numerous times by now and i dont know anyone who would call jefferson a traitor
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This project sounds to me like the NSA is attempting to build their own version of China's "great firewall", and that it'll be used domestically far more than it will be against foreign threats. I can easily see them sharing this with law enforcement agencies, even down to the local level, allowing them to essentially "turn off" internet access at will by blocking packets.
For example, yesterday, the FAA issued a no-fly order for parts of Missouri - this was presumably because there were racially-charged demonstrations over police killings planned for that day - to allow police helicopters free rein over that area. Now, with a system like this in place, I could easily see the police getting some intel that some people might be planning demonstrations and using this system to intercept a specific sub-set of packets: say, anything coming to and from social media from within the borders of the no-fly zone, to stop people organizing as easily.
The NSA approaches ES and convinces him to participate in a long-term project. Snowden "escapes" with tonnes of documents. He takes them to China. Then he takes them to Russia. The Russians and Chinese help convince the world he is a credible source. ES then starts releasing major BS aimed at convincing the Russians and Chinese that Uncle Sam still carries the biggest stick on the planet.
ZOMG!11!1!!!!, NSA can haz major counter-attacking AI monstermindbotswithzombiegoodness.
Profit.
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Wow. I wonder if that man-in-the-middle attack could have been prevented if Slashdot used HTTPS by default.
Applying for a job with said shadowy agency, using false credentials and under false pretenses, specifically to steal national secrets far above and beyond the scope of said shadowyness, then shopping those secrets around amongst the likes of Venezuela, Pakistan, Cuba, and China, before finally settling on Russia, and lying presumptively to the world by saying that he's fully in control of those secrets, releasing only the relevant bits.
And I'm a liberal, you Paul-smoking libertarian cockstain.
You need to read up a bit more on the leaks, you are way behind and full of FOX news bullshit facts.
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Did not need anyone's credentials, did not shop around did not settle on Russia, was forced. The NSA is rogue and doing things well beyond the constitution, they need to be stopped. Also, this:
If an employee does not meet standards of conduct, “You should be fired, period,” Obama said. Whistleblowers, Obama said, should be protected.
“If you blow the whistle,” Obama said, “you should be thanked. You should be protected for doing the right thing. You shouldn’t be ignored and you certainly shouldn’t be punished.”
Obama said that last week, not 4 years ago, here is the one from 4 years ago.
If an employee does not meet standards of conduct, “You should be fired, period,” Obama said. Whistleblowers, Obama said, should be protected.
“If you blow the whistle,” Obama said, “you should be thanked. You should be protected for doing the right thing. You shouldn’t be ignored and you certainly shouldn’t be punished.”
Need a source, google the quote.
You got me backwards. Ralph Wiggam, the guy supporting the NSA is the traitor.
I don't support the NSA, and think Heroic Ed deserves a ticket tape parade down Broadway, lifetime exemption from all taxation for ten generations, and one billion dollars per year stipend.
He's literally stuck between the rock (USA) and the hard place (Russia).
Someone has to be this guy: He's figuratively stuck between a rock and a hard place.
It's only criminal if it's against the law. The world of legislation and executive orders have made it legal.
The Constitution makes it illegal and legislation and executive orders are not granted the authority to override the Constitution.
Only a constitutional amendment can make something prohibited by the Bill of Rights legal.
LoL... Love the latest rash of neocons trying to pretend to be anti-Faux News. Obama wasn't talking about people who steal national secrets and go hide under the skirt of Mother Russia; he was talking about people who go through the official, established processes of bringing attention to misconduct. Talk about somebody who is high on the Fox Noise scale......
"I think a prosecutor could make that case considering where he wound up." Wound up? We delivered Russia its' biggest prize by trying to hunt him down now didn't we? If anyone is paranoid its' the US with good reason too I might ad. The truth is hard to deal with when you lie a lot. So stop being such a bad liar.
he hasn't actually leaked anything. he gave all the docs he stole to greenwald
"I didn't actually steal that Cadillac, I just took it from the owner's driveway and drove it to the chop shop and they stole it." Sorry, but "gave all the docs" to someone who isn't supposed to have them is leaking.
blanket authority doesn't cover constitutional authority.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
Wound up?
We delivered Russia its' biggest prize by trying to hunt him down now didn't we?
If anyone is paranoid its' the US with good reason too I might ad.
The truth is hard to deal with when you lie a lot. So stop being such a bad liar.
hunt him down? The news was released when he was in Hong Kong, the US revoked his passport which meant that most countries would only let him return to his country of origin. It wasn't like 30 assassins were on his ass. If there had been he would have been dead. Nope, when he released the info he became wanted, certainly and if he was a true patriot as he claims he'd have faced the music. Instead he's sitting in Russia with his new puppet masters putting out shit and drivel to make you think these new things are happening. He's not that smart, he's not that intelligent and some of the foibles that are being put out are just shit. Frankly the cover of Wired right now makes me more angry and respectful for what this retard has done.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Snowden's information is no longer cutting edge.
The Darpa Grand Challenge pretty much lays out an automated hacking tool.
http://www.darpa.mil/cybergrandchallenge/
and if he was a true patriot as he claims he'd have faced the music.
Nice No True Scotsman, there. I didn't know the definition of "patriot" required that one be a masochist or a martyr; he gave us the information, and now it's up to all of us to stop the evil organization known as the NSA.
Patriotism is most certainly not blind allegiance to the law or a certain country, in addition to not meaning you're a masochist or a martyr.
because no one but him thought about IP spoofing?
Despotism is the word you are looking for.
Dictators are not mandatory for despotism. New kinds of despotism are possible the US is already well on it's way there but not the dictator kind... if you wait for a dictator you will feel OK all the way up to being sent to the gulag.
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This would be interesting if it was not already a fully developed program with a 40 year history in network security and network attacks.
Probably what they meant to say is, that we are now telling you about this in case you notice random censorship on the web.
OK, OK.. LOL
I'll try to watch my usage closer..
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"I was just doing my job" is no excuse for immoral behavior. I thought we've already been through this?
I find Snowden to be a typical pampered, ego-centric product of his generation.
The dude swore an oath to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", and it appears he took that seriously. Most enlistees gloss over the "Constitution" part and the "domestic enemies" part when they join the Army.
The evidence points to Snowden having more in common with The Greatest Generation than with Millennials.
Applying for a job with said shadowy agency, using false credentials and under false pretenses
It's more nuanced than that, but it doesn't matter. The People have a right to know what government thugs are doing, and if lying is what it takes to find out, so be it. Otherwise, there would need to be a revolution.
specifically to steal national secrets far above and beyond the scope of said shadowyness
Copied. Also, spying on innocent people is immoral and very shadowy, regardless of where they live.
No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
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Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
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Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Big difference between stealing/leaking and whistleblowing, pinko.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? If you're disagreeing with me, quoting that wasn't a very good idea, since Snowden's actions could easily be interpreted as bringing dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising. Looks like he did a good job to me.
He's fried, whatever happens from now 'til is death. He will never ever get any kind of pardon. He stole 60 GB of data, only a very small portion of this data was leaked to prove NSA's violation of the Constitution of the USA and the remaining can be held against him to prove him guilty of treason. There is no way back for him. He played the wrong hand by stealing unneeded data to prove his point. Either is a fool, either he planned to use this extra information to buy him a shelter in some State far from USA.
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Early on, now he's just lame and anybody who believes the drivel after the initial doc release is being duped.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
It is pain in the ass these kind of articles are babbling about pizza, elevator and all this irrelevant stuff about the personality of the interviewer and the interviewee. Go straigth to the facts of interest and cut down this article from 7 pages to only 1.
It's like the author is trying to write the first chapter of a novel he hopes Hollywood will buy for the next blockbuster. Give us the facts, we can wait for the movie.
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Early on
Nope, still. Besides, most people do a whole lot of nothing about government corruption, so even if he did just one thing, that would still put him far above the rest of us.
and anybody who believes the drivel after the initial doc release is being duped.
Yeah, right.
i dont know anyone who would call jefferson a traitor
You haven't heard of the NSA?
Project 2501.
You've obviously never heard of an Attention Whore then?
I have, but I don't pretend to know what goes on in someone else's head like a religious fundamentalist ("In your heart, you know you're wrong."). I don't think that Snowden is an attention whore; just someone who pissed off the most powerful government in the world and ended up stuck in Russia thanks to that.
And he has nobody to blame but himself. I'll give him credit for stealing a bunch of information and then publishing it, especially around the NSA's activities but after that it's all downhill from there. Wait. That's the definition of a spy isn't it? Maybe old John Pollard would like to be considered patriotic then?
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
if he was a true patriot as he claims he'd have faced the music
Oh come on, what the hell is patriotic about being shoved in an oubliette some place, after a show trial where you can't present any evidence because everything is classified?
Snowden would never get anything resembling a fair trial before a jury of his peers. A show trial is the most he could hope, but its just as likely he'd be held pretty much indefinitely without trial on some flimsy constitutionally unsound national security pretext. If you want to know who the cowards are its Kerry, Clapper, and Alexander who want to burry him or avoid tackling his criticism with lies and indirection rather than confronting it with actual facts.
Going through the system, and there is evidence he did try does not work. Just try filing and FOIA request about anything that is connected to "terrorism" in their wildest imaginations (like animal rights) and see what happens. The first time you will probably get a nice letter back telling you: "they can't tell you why they can't tell" you what you wanted because 'national security'. Send a another request for ANY information on how they handled your first request and they will probably just stonewall. Which is ILLEGAL the law say they have 20 days to do something and the three letter agencies won't do that.
Statistically you are more likely to die falling out of bed than you currently are from any kind of terrorist attack. Logic would then dictate at the very least we would create a "Bedtime Safety Authority" to make sure we are all tucked in at night before investing more in counter terrorism and yet we keep allocating more and more federal to that; well that is what the NSA tells us they are doing with them anyway preventing terrorism. Then we also dump more money into policing while crime nears all time lows, and yet no recruitment fliers for the BSA are there to be found.
There are no good reasons for these people to be doing what they are so they instead just want to silence critics like Snowden. No Snowden is no coward he is the guy that gave up home, family, and a cushy job in paradise to keep this issue alive.
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You think its right and normal that the NSA can spy on 7 billion souls? You re ok with that? Disgusting, you really dont belong here.
To be fair, I also think it's right and normal for foreign intelligent agencies to try spying on Americans. It's our counter-intelligence job to prevent it.
The NSA should be sure as hell trying to spy on every single non-American out there. It's their counter-intelligence job to limit it.
Yes. We all remember when Ron Paul said that.
Then change the fucking laws by electing representatives that don't piss all over the constitution. That's the only way you'll fix the problem. Shit we've known for years the FISA court was out there and frankly the whole pseudo court system isn't unprecedented. Ever hear of Tax court? So to all the people who bitch and moan about how the country is spying on them, tell your fucking reps in DC to stop it. If they don't stop the spying then elect people who will and stop voting the party line in elections. If you don't then you have no room to bitch or complain.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Snowden would never get anything resembling a fair trial before a jury of his peers.
Snowden openly acknowledges doing pretty much everything he's been charged with.
You got me backwards. Ralph Wiggam, the guy supporting the NSA is the traitor.
LOL. I love Slashdot. If you don't 100% agree with me, then you're a traitor who supports the NSA.
blanket authority doesn't cover constitutional authority.
Which they do not have. I do not recall the NSA being exempt from the law. Every day they are going above and beyond the 4th amendment. They stifle citizens' first amendment. They, as this very article shows, commit war crimes and break international law. They write and distribute malware to people that aren't even as much as suspected of a crime, which I shouldn't need to remind you is computer fraud & illegal wiretapping.
So...where's the constitutional authority to do these types of things?
The photo at Mashable of both attending a gala and in Tuxedos is choice.
http://mashable.com/2014/08/13/snowden-hayden-tuxedo-photo/
Hayden is absolutely BEAMING. ;-D
Is it their "damn job" to send paid trolls to fill up sites like slashdot with lies and gibberish?
And he has nobody to blame but himself.
For taking that course of action? I suppose so. But his course of action was not wrong, and thanks to that, we now have the details of what the government is doing and how it's doing it (or, for the more ignorant, that it was violating the constitution at all).
I'll give him credit for stealing a bunch of information and then publishing it, especially around the NSA's activities but after that it's all downhill from there.
Copying. Also, I'm not sure what you're expecting from him now. He did what he set out to do. Are you saying that if you do one amazing thing, you must do amazing things forever thereafter or "it's all downhill from there"?
That's the definition of a spy isn't it?
A spy for the people, I guess. How would you suggest that we reign in on an unstoppable government that violates the constitution in secret as it pleases if we can't even have someone leak some documents? Is being a "spy" automatically bad? I don't think so, and this all assumes he could even be called a "spy" at all.
Maybe old John Pollard [wikipedia.org] would like to be considered patriotic then?
The definition of patriotism you cited a few posts ago doesn't preclude him from being a patriot. It seems weird that this discussion of patriotism is happening again when you already agreed that Snowden's actions were patriotic (by citing such a definition, and admitting that you liked that he leaked the documents).
I imagine eventually he will be able to get to a friendly country that will protect him and live the rest of his life there. Iceland would be a good bet, or possibly Germany if he can wrangle that. The only thing keeping him in Russia is the difficulty of travelling.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Sure it is! It worked out so well for the Nazis, right?
For taking that course of action? I suppose so. But his course of action was not wrong, and thanks to that, we now have the details of what the government is doing and how it's doing it (or, for the more ignorant, that it was violating the constitution at all).
That's where you fall into a hole. It's perfectly legal for the government to spy on us. Why? The laws say it's okay along with executive orders authorizing things with a shadow court involved in rubber stamping it. If you had the regular court system involved, which the EFF and the ACLU have been doing then things progress. It's how the legal system works and until this gets to SCOTUS which I'm afraid will rubber stamp it, the NSA et al. is doing legal work under the cloak of a lot of paperwork covering their asses. Snowden on the other hand violated the espionage laws. If he didn't know he was doing that to begin with then he's just naive.
Copying. Also, I'm not sure what you're expecting from him now. He did what he set out to do. Are you saying that if you do one amazing thing, you must do amazing things forever thereafter or "it's all downhill from there"?
So why do we keep getting the attention whore in our faces all the time if he really wanted to get on with his life he'd shut the fuck up already. Oh wait the puppet masters in Russia are pulling the strings there so now he'll just drivel on and on and on about useless shit. Danger! Danger! the NSA is spying with new mental devices that are injected into our asses! Danger. It's all bullshit now, so he needs to just go off into the sunset.
A spy for the people, I guess. How would you suggest that we reign in on an unstoppable government that violates the constitution in secret as it pleases if we can't even have someone leak some documents? Is being a "spy" automatically bad? I don't think so, and this all assumes he could even be called a "spy" at all.
Spies usually are tried and either put away forever, hanged or traded for other spies. History will decide his role ultimately. I'm sure if the US had a few Russian Spies old Edward there would be coughed up like a bitch in prison for a few cigarettes.
The definition of patriotism you cited a few posts ago doesn't preclude him from being a patriot. It seems weird that this discussion of patriotism is happening again when you already agreed that Snowden's actions were patriotic (by citing such a definition, and admitting that you liked that he leaked the documents).
History, again, will dictate if he was a patriot or a spy. In the case of Pollard, case closed as he rots in Club Fed.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
The NSA has blanket authority to do what they want
Please tell me who authorized the do anything you want authority? That is not how this country works. Sorry if you were fooled into believing that.
He gave the data to journalists to reveal. They have the freedom of the press and the legal and moral grounds to decide what is right to release. If you haven't figured out that much of this, i would suggest walking away from the conversation.
Do you honestly think Edward Snowden will ever (willingly) set foot on U.S. soil again? Or live a long, healthy life?
He exposed and humiliated the United States intelligence apparatus in front of the world, and possibly compromised its ability to gather signals intelligence on several near-peer nations.
Forget a presidential pardon, he'll be lucky to live another five years without mysteriously dying in a hit and run car accident. If Putin's FSB agents would brazenly murder an expat Russian oligarch billionaire with polonium in London - a substance that can only be produced by a very small number of nuclear states - What makes you think the untimely accidental death of an American expat "traitor" can't be quietly arranged through some intelligence community negotiating?
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I've noticed quite a few security service shill posts lately too. Even the City of London Police have been trying out a few poorly executed ops on stories about them.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I doubt Snowden will ever go back to the US, but fortunately there are much nicer places to live.
I think his life is probably safe though, because if he dies other will release all the previously withheld and redacted documents he leaked. It's a pretty good insurance policy.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
It's perfectly legal for the government to spy on us.
No, it isn't; it's 100% unconstitutional.
Snowden on the other hand violated the espionage laws.
Even if he did, all that would mean is that the laws are wrong.
So why do we keep getting the attention whore in our faces all the time if he really wanted to get on with his life he'd shut the fuck up already.
Maybe reporters are eager to see what he has to say, given his position? Maybe he feels he can convince some people to come to his side in the face of an ever more corrupt government. Our media sure as hell isn't doing their job.
You seem to be assuming that anyone who has a message for others is an attention whore. Stop acting like a religious fundamentalist by telling others what they think. You're not Snowden, so you don't know his motivations, and neither do I. And frankly, it's fucking irrelevant. What matters are the NSA's disgusting activites. That sure doesn't stop people from trying to shift the topic away from the NSA's treasonous behavior to useless speculation about how Snowden is a traitor or a puppet.
History, again, will dictate if he was a patriot or a spy.
False dichotomy. It is not an either/or. You can be a patriot *and* a spy. Well, if you think that someone is a "spy" for leaking documents showing that the government violated the highest law of the land, people's individual liberties, and basis morality. If you think that qualifies as a spy, then I'm 100% okay with that kind of spy.
Furthermore, history doesn't dictate facts. I mean, you can try to hide facts, but that isn't the same as changing them. History can't dictate that 1 + 1 = 3.
Authoritarian garbage. How about, "Don't pass unjust laws." How does that quote provide any insight whatsoever? Will the authorities want to arrest you if they see you breaking the law? Probably. Does that make the law just? No. Is this related to what patriotism is? No.
Also, another option to avoid doing the time is to run away. Then you can do the crime and possibly avoid the time.
He admits to the acts but not to the intents. Intent is a big part of criminal culpability. He would also dispute many of the claimed harms done.
I work in Information Security, much of what I do phishing, exploit development, etc would be illegal except for intent and harm. There is no harm because any property I obtain or gain control of is not converted for my use but promptly returned unimpaired. I have no intent to illegally convert anything for my use or disclose any information about your organization but rather to fully comply with the NDA and scope of activities agreement I signed with your boss.
And for those reasons it isn't fraud when I call you pretending to be from the IT Directory from the European Subsidiary needed you to install the emgency "patch" I am about to e-mail you.
The law is not as simple as "what you did" why you did it matters and so does what the outcome was and even what the potential outcomes were.
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Yes, intent is important in charges like Murder and Assault (premeditation and all that).
The core of the charges against Snowden are that he gave classified materials to someone without the appropriate clearance. He is definitely guilty of that.
"Don't pass unjust laws" where were you when they were being passed? that's the problem with people nowadays they want somebody else to take the blame. Hold your legislators and the courts responsible for the laws we have and look into the mirror as to who put them there.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
No, it isn't; it's 100% unconstitutional.
Until SCOTUS rules on what is, or isn't constitutional then it's still the law. That doesn't change anything.
Even if he did, all that would mean is that the laws are wrong.
So do something about it! It wouldn't the first time in history that laws have been passed that are unjust but that's life. Of course we could live in
a dictatorship and then we'd have less to worry about our liberties while big brother takes care of us.
Maybe reporters are eager to see what he has to say, given his position? Maybe he feels he can convince some people to come to his side in the face of an ever more corrupt government. Our media sure as hell isn't doing their job.
You seem to be assuming that anyone who has a message for others is an attention whore. Stop acting like a religious fundamentalist by telling others what they think. You're not Snowden, so you don't know his motivations, and neither do I. And frankly, it's fucking irrelevant. What matters are the NSA's disgusting activites. That sure doesn't stop people from trying to shift the topic away from the NSA's treasonous behavior to useless speculation about how Snowden is a traitor or a puppet.
Disgusting? strong term there and there's a lot of folks who probably work for the NSA thinking that they're doing the right thing. It's all what side of the argument you're on. Snowden did violate the espionage act by releasing the information. Now what's in that information is what we all have to deal with. No hype, no drama just take care of it by forcing DC to get the fuck out of our lives. That should be the focus not some attention whore in Russia.
False dichotomy. It is not an either/or. You can be a patriot *and* a spy. Well, if you think that someone is a "spy" for leaking documents showing that the government violated the highest law of the land, people's individual liberties, and basis morality. If you think that qualifies as a spy, then I'm 100% okay with that kind of spy.
Furthermore, history doesn't dictate facts. I mean, you can try to hide facts, but that isn't the same as changing them. History can't dictate that 1 + 1 = 3.
History doesn't dictate facts? Right now: spy in 20 years: patriot perhaps? It's an either or situation, guaranteed. Who the fuck do you think writes the history books, the victors. History is replete with outrageous acts of cruelty and unjust acts and countries with laws that were unjust. It doesn't change the fact that they were done and it doesn't change the fact that the guy violated the espionage laws of this country. There are whistle blower protection laws but the current administration seems to think that that's spying and treasonous as well, so again, the elected officials are creating this shit and history will be written by future generations and hopefully they'll look back and respect how we unfuck ourselves from this mess. If the whistle blower law had stronger protections then this kind of information could have been handled in a different way. Right now unfortunately for old puppet boy he's a spy, he's been painted as one and his acts are that of somebody committing espionage. There are lawyers in this country who'd represent him and make the arguments in court on his behalf and it would be up to a judge/jury to decide his guilt. Oh and if you think this idiot in the white house is fair when it comes to leaked information, let's not forget our old TV Chelsey Manning who's now got a lovely retirement villa in Leavenworth KS.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
"Don't pass unjust laws" where were you when they were being passed?
Another change of topic?
and look into the mirror as to who put them there.
Except that I didn't put them there. I don't vote for One Party candidates. I also participate in protests, write to my 'representatives', and encourage others to do those things as well as vote for candidates that they actually like.
Think of it as an chilling free speech tracking sock puppet without the need to hire staff and have then craft online personas just to find one person a gov/mil finds difficult.
Post the wrong set of words about funding a new war, new backing of freedom fighters, the use of drones in a new entanglement, the sending of boots on the ground.
Your IP, network and OS could then face a series of limited probes until your online life was constructed, ready for a file to be passed to a real human.
Your use of a firewall, AV and encryption would just be seen as fun and be bypassed thanks to tame consumer OS developers or poor quality open source code.
Then you may face the human set "disinformation" or "effects capabilities" psychological operations and information warfare by manipulating social media, spoofing communications from an individual.
In the past you would need a team of humans to interact with an ip, person posting. Now that can happen later after more detail has been gathered - with less human guidance.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The military commands in the EU nations are having fun driving, sailing, flying and coding advanced US provided platforms and systems at low cost.
All parts of the EU had to offer was a few shared sites with optical and telco interconnects.
Kind of hard to give up on all that free or low cost US export grade equipment over some data on some citizens when the deals where done over decades.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Down to the MAC and beyond, onto your own home networks, then a human can take over.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Until SCOTUS rules on what is, or isn't constitutional then it's still the law.
An unconstitutional law.
So do something about it!
I'm doing as much as someone who isn't a charismatic leader of a giant movement can do: Not much, but everything you can think of.
Disgusting? strong term there and there's a lot of folks who probably work for the NSA thinking that they're doing the right thing. It's all what side of the argument you're on.
Yes, disgusting. Evil scumbags. If they think that violating the highest law of the land and people's fundamental rights are the right things to do, then that makes them even worse. Anyone still working for the NSA is utterly devoid of morals. This isn't up for debate.
History doesn't dictate facts?
History doesn't do anything. It's just a concept used to describe things that happened in the past. It's not as if history is some sort of living entity.
Even if people lie, that doesn't change reality. I'm speaking of these on a purely technical basis.
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Two issues raised by Snowdon:
1). The source of an attack could be spoofed to trick the U.S. into attacking an innocent third party.
Response: This isn't a problem. The NSA is already attacking billions of "innocent third parties", including U.S. citizens, by violating their privacy and the security of their person.
2). The violation of the fourth amendment since the NSA would effectively need to monitor all domestic network traffic.
Response: This isn't a problem. The NSA is already monitoring all domestic network traffic. Their weasel-y implication that automated surveillance isn't surveillance is bought by enough people who are confused, or trusting, or scared, or disinterested. Also the NSA can now claim that "this isn't new" which is also an argument that many will buy. Since 2001 the NSA hasn't been troubled by the constitution, they have multiple presidential sign-offs. If things get difficult they will simply blame the executive branch.
Who will watch the watchers? This cannot end well.
Most spy agencies like to watch a new person as they advance, given small tests, trails, working with their handlers.
Left in place to advance and get to policy setting, overview or trusted command like level decades later without ever been noticed.
Walking in with bulk material for free and having another nation just accept it is a trap many nations have fallen for.
Any material offered might have spy bait mixed in it by default or be pre sorted to fool a nations own staff at different security levels. A nation that is offered this mix of random documents then rushes out to buy super computers, invests in new lasers or scans the skies for projects never started.
Russia has enough of its own trusted well placed people at different levels of other govs globally.
China likes the decades of very advanced education offered for free in other nations. Both outlooks differ from that of the US or UK in bulk instant 'win' of documents bought from people or from signals collected.
The planet wide signals intelligence network is great if your rushed/forced to use tame international telco like networks all the time. Other nations might just use people to travel the world and wait a week or so for a chat in person. Number stations like ideas can push rapid messages out globally.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
you missed my point:
"Snowden is X"
where X is a scenario that explains his behavior (hero, traitor, dupe, blackmail victim, etc, etc)
we've seen all possible variations of X debated here on /. and it's time to move the fuck on
Thank you Dave Raggett
You sound like a talking head on a pundit circuit. Zero facts, rank condescension and statements lacking causality or even correlation. You probably spew the same ignorance about Daniel Ellsberg.
A) It's not a crime for a politician to lie outright about his political intentions.
B) Once an elected official is in office, he's free to do anything that's legal, including sponsoring bills which are blatantly unconstitutional.
C) We're all taught to believe our only recourse is in the courts or the next election.
D) Edward Snowden revealed an alternative to the popular fiction that we should all just lie back and enjoy it.
A+ B+C+D= (E)
(E)dward Snowden is a bigger patriot than any pretend libertarian tea party throwback neandethal politician ever dreamed of being cuz he out-Orwelled Orwell by revealing evidence of the truth that our government acts illegally, unconstitutionally and outside the scope of accountability which the Constitution was designed provide.
You haven't actually read the DMCA, have you.
Why to go to the trouble of mounting a distributed denial of service attack, that need thousands of infected computers to be effective, when you can just tickle a dumb bot to do the dirty work for you in the name of the government?
An unconstitutional law.
Still a law and until it's repealed or deemed unconstitutional by SCOTUS, it's the law. That point can't be argued. You can choose to ignore the law and then of course there's penalties associated with it. The EFF and ACLU have been working cases through the courts but there's procedures involved. Eventually a case
will get in front of them.
I'm doing as much as someone who isn't a charismatic leader of a giant movement can do: Not much, but everything you can think of.
Good for you, now get off Snowden's nutsack and think for a few moments about what's being released and how credible it is. Ask yourself since he's been out of the "loop" for quite sometime how would he know about these new revelations? No idea? How about the people who are nurturing him in Russia? He's a talking head now for the Russian government and is no different than that idiot Max Keiser on Russia Today, probably with much less crack though.
I'd say everything after the
initial dump is pretty much compromised just to draw attention to it. An opinion? Yes but the quality of the work makes me more nervous if it were true because a lot of it looks amateurish and for what the taxpayers have been footing the bill for this, I want my money back.
Yes, disgusting. Evil scumbags. If they think that violating the highest law of the land and people's fundamental rights are the right things to do, then that makes them even worse. Anyone still working for the NSA is utterly devoid of morals. This isn't up for debate.
You know a lot of people working in the intelligence community aren't evil scumbags. Sorry to burst your bubble there but they're not. They're people who have a job to do and have been given instructions to do that job. Unfortunately their leaders are evil scumbags and that's where your venting should be focused.
History doesn't do anything. It's just a concept used to describe things that happened in the past. It's not as if history is some sort of living entity.
Even if people lie, that doesn't change reality. I'm speaking of these on a purely technical basis.
History is written by people who have publishers and usually sponsors, all of which have an agenda. If you go to school and study history you'll find many errors and omissions that are in direct contradiction to other sources. To put that in perspective If you're a latter day twit who believes in Wikipedia, just think of how many thousands of edits are done daily by people with agendas. The MH17 crash, the Russians were found to be editing the information on the page. Congressional staff editing pages to color information their way. So does history do anything? Yes it does because it legitimizes the actions of people and puts emphasis on events that they want you to remember. I'm sure if the Nazis had won World War II or come to a stalemate with the Allies they'd have written off the death camps as something benign and where unfortunate occurrences of malnutrition and dysentery broke out causing the deaths of millions because of all the people they were trying to re-educate. Oh and the Nazis had laws that allowed them to do it too. Feel better now?
Spin doctors exist everywhere and right now Snowden is a puppet boy in the hands of the Russians. Whether it's by design or accident he's been compromised and he's still wanted for espionage in this country.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Still a law
Irrelevant.
Good for you, now get off Snowden's nutsack and think for a few moments about what's being released and how credible it is.
I like how you change the topic every two seconds. As for being credible, I have no reason to believe that it isn't.
They're people who have a job to do and have been given instructions to do that job. Unfortunately their leaders are evil scumbags and that's where your venting should be focused.
"Just doing my job" is not, never was, and never will be an excuse for doing evil. The fact of the matter is, everyone is now aware what these organizations are doing, and if they had morals and principles, they would quit (and I'm being generous and assuming they weren't aware of what was happening before).
History is written by people who have publishers and usually sponsors, all of which have an agenda.
Yes, yes. But lying doesn't change reality.
and he's still wanted for espionage in this country.
So what?
I wasn't changing the subject, just pointing out that you're a bit fanatical on this subject. You sure you don't have a brown shirt or two in the closet? Just following orders is not the same as a person doing a 9 to 5 at a job making a living. I also pointed out that the current administration views the press and whistle blowers as treasonous entities, something which you blew right on by. So instead of canonizing St. Snowden here you should wake up and smell the cat shit. Most of the crap dumped out there as gospel is utter shit, poorly produced and there's no fucking way in hell that given his access, he'd have any knowledge of strategic planning at the NSA. Todays Cyberbot bullshit is just that, bullshit.
It also seems that living in a nation of laws you don't want to abide by them and change them from within. You're labeling people for being evil when all they're doing is their job. That makes you intolerant. Somewhere, somebody got the idea that it would be good to do this; collecting metadata et al. All three branches of government are a fault here and we as the voting public are also culpable for letting it happen. It's time to fix it but you just can't trust everything you read, especially from somebody who's compromised and an attention whore. Despite your non-beliefs to the contrary, Snowden is wanted in this country under the laws that have been established to deal with this kind of crime. If you feel morally outraged, then you have a right to protest, lobby, arm twist whoever you want but that doesn't make people fundamentally trying to protect our nation evil scumbags.
Your perception on lying is interesting to. How do you know any of this material is credible? You're taking on faith from a guy who had an agenda. He violated his oath of secrecy to, and there's penalties for that. I'm not arguing the morality of it, but it's still against the law and until laws are changed or courts throw it out it's still the law. If we all decided to ignore laws we thought were morally wrong we'd have a game like Twisted Metal on the streets. Speed limit? Fuck That it's wrong? Murder? Fuck that it's wrong I'll kill my neighbor if he plays that stereo too loud. Yeah it'd be a much better place to live.
We have a constitution which serves as the basis for our laws in this country. Whether those laws are correct is for the people to decide and unfortunately public opinion on the whole Snowden episode is now swinging towards not credible. See the spin doctors are winning.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Just following orders is not the same as a person doing a 9 to 5 at a job making a living.
You're labeling people for being evil when all they're doing is their job.
"Just doing my job" is no excuse. What the fuck is wrong with you? If your job involves working for organizations violating the US constitution and people's fundamental liberties, you need to quit ASAP; if you don't, that shows you have flawed views about morality, and are anti-freedom.
That makes you intolerant.
I'm intolerant of many things. Murder, rape, and theft, to name a few. I'm intolerant of people violating the highest law of the land and people's fundamental liberties. Intolerant and proud.
Despite your non-beliefs to the contrary
You're like a religious fundamentalist who thinks that he knows what goes on in others' heads. It's you who is the attention whore. You're not courageous enough to do what Snowden did, so you bitch on Slashdot in order to get what little attention that will get you. Is that inaccurate? Probably. Stop telling other people what they think.
If we all decided to ignore laws we thought were morally wrong we'd have a game like Twisted Metal on the streets.
If we all decided to be barbers, society would go to hell. If we all decided to do X, society would go to hell. Great argument.
I say challenge the law in any peaceful way you see fit; just don't expect victory in some cases. If everyone was okay with murder and such, society would have problems far worse than people breaking laws. The scenario you describe is laughably unlikely, and does nothing to undermine the actions of those who try to stop governmental corruption.
Your perception on lying is interesting to. How do you know any of this material is credible?
I have no reason to think it isn't, given that what he has said thus far has been correct, how the government has reacted, and that it looks legitimate. That's all. If you have proof that it isn't, do share. Mindless speculation doesn't count as proof.
then I don't know what to tell you.
Nevertheless you have continued to do so.
I also note that a majority of you posting history is supportive of authoritarian regimes and US law enforcement agencies. Can you disclose who you're working for?
The Executive branch of the US government doesn't have the legal authority to violate the Constitution of the USA. They can't get that authority by passing a law, only by changing the Constitution of the USA. Snowden is a patriot, who committed treason to protect the people of the USA.
I haven't read the article, but "scour massive repositories of metadata and analyze it to differentiate normal network traffic from anomalous or malicious traffic" is the exact purpose of intrusion detection systems like Snort. Any smart or large business is using an IDS. They help block known attacks before vendors can publish patches or before the IT department is able to verify that the patch doesn't break any of their systems.
I worked on a bit on an AI that generated IDS rules to match known traffic patterns. Any non-matching traffic would be flagged and blocked by the IDS. The point was to make it that much harder to exploit unknown bugs. Not only would you have to exploit the bug, you'd also have to do it while looking like the site's normal web traffic. This is basically whitelisting existing traffic and blacklisting everything else.
Snowden's stuff is out of date. The project was renamed SkyNet,
Sounds like a contradiction to the silicon valley's media narrative.
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What the fuck should we do? I trust our government either allows NSA to spy on them, or has taken measures to prevent it. I personally try to keep my things safe, but I really don't think that NSA would be interested in me a small bit. And what if they were? I'm not living in America, be actually have some rights left here. It's very hard to bully someone using the courts as a weapon in here. NSA or the US couldn't do it. They would need the help of the local government. NSA is kinda supposed to be spying us. IT's your problem if you feel like they shouldn't be spying on yourselfs. We are just getting more popcorn over here.
Where he ended up is the US's fault. The US allowed him to leave HK for Russia, but revoked his passport before he could fly from Russia to South America. He wasn't allowed to leave Russia -- that is the US didn't allow him to leave Russia. The US government confirms that they did indeed revoke his passport, and Snowden couldn't leave Russia because of it.
Who's sending the trolls? Probably not the NSA itself, but the talking points the trolls use are certainly those of the NSA.
He acted for the benefit of the people of the United States, so he is working for an enemy of the United States government.
And yet you get mod bombed for suggesting that same government shouldn't run all healthcare in the US.
And no, the people of the United States aren't the enemy of the US government. That is a belief of the fringe and cranks.
Al Qaida, the Taliban, Iran, China, and Russia have all benefited from Snowden's revelations. Russia is using them as a construction spec, and China probably is too.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
That was kind of my point.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure