there's a fine line where this can be the case. There's a lot of people on the fringe, frankly in the past 13 years more and more on the fringe because of the way this nation handled 9/11. We've probably produced more possible terrorists because of those activities. This individual was not as the document points out in a field of warfare where the US was conducting operations and we executed, clinically by the DoD with a nod from the Justice Department. There was no evidence presented in the document, just the statement about "facts presented" that are not spelled out. My biggest problem with this is that the executive branch of the government conducted this operation and neither the judicial nor legislative branches seem to have been involved here. In the situation you bring up, it's up to the courts to decided if a homicide is justifiable, not up to the executive branch. Setting this precedent means that if anybody, including a citizen of the US fits in the same mold or close to it as this guy, they'll say "we did it before." and they'll kill you. No trial, no judicial review you're dead and oh and you're not even in a war zone, how cool is that? The past two administrations with a nod from the courts and congress have trampled all over our constitution to the point that due process of law is completely twisted and unrecognizable.
So if you're on the fringe, or you fit in the same mold as a possible terrorist the government now seems to assert its authority to kill you wherever you are. It doesn't have to be proven even if you're a citizen that you may or may not have committed a crime, they just have to have a suspicion. I think that's what the ACLU are looking at in this FOIA case and while I'm not a big fan of the ACLU, I'll gladly donate to their cause over this and other constitutional rights issues post 9/11 because we've become a police state. We've held enemy combatants in Guantanamo without due process of law because they're not US citizens which is another great shining example of how truly fucked we've become. No Trial, No right to hear the evidence, you'll just rot away. Disgusting.
When I was growing up I was able to watch the news coverage of Robert Kennedy's assassination. Appalling as it was, Sirhan Sirhan was brought to trial and found guilty of his crime and is rotting in prison. The same was said over the Tate Labianca murders where Charles Manson was sentenced to death but his sentence was commuted to life, He was found in a court of law to have ordered the deaths of 7 people but he had due process of law and had a trial. Evidence was presented and he was convicted and yet he has been able to live his life, in prison, but that's more time than those 7 people. The same could be said about Richard Ramierz. And on and on. They all fit the same mold as Al-Awlaki and probably killed more people but that evidence will never be known right because Al-Awlaki was never brought to trial where the evidence can be presented. It's all in a folder somewhere redacted.
I'm not saying Al-Awlaki was a model citizen, far from it, he was a nut job but isn't Manson? Because we now have the technological means of killing somebody the government doesn't like, anywhere, we've allowed future administrations to have the same tool at their disposal, without review, without somebody independently looking at the situation and saying "wait, this isn't right..."
I understand that but we had the B52s, the B47s and in 1960 the B58s and true, long range ICBMs (Minuteman in this case) didn't come online until the early 60s but that doesn't mean a few B52s of which quite a few were based in England couldn't have dropped a few H-Bombs on Eastern Europe if they ever needed to. That's why they were there to begin with. To my recollection I don't think the Soviets had a nuke proof tank or at least one that could hold up to a few million degrees of heat. It's the thought that you'd handle a nuke with field artillery is a bit bizarre in terms of weapons development and the Atomic Annie was surely a deterrent but I can't imagine being on the gun crew knowing it's a fire once and you're toast sort of thing. Much less the Davy Crockett or the Jeep Nuke for that matter because it seems that the Army kind of felt left out of the Nukes. The Air Force had the Nukes on their planes, they had the Jupiter Missiles and there were plans from the early 50s for a missile deployed sub. That meant that the Navy was going to eventually get Nukes. So where did the Army get it's Nukes? It did so with these weapons.
Atomic Annies were moved around all the time to try and avoid detection but lets face it, they were so big you couldn't hide them very well and we all know the Soviets had spies everywhere because we had spies in the Soviet Union so I'm sure after one or two rounds the Atomic Annies would have been wiped out by a Soviet tactical nuke or a bombing raid.
Since when does a fucking bureaucrat, an acting assistant attorney general put some shit like this together and allows a capricious administration to decide who lives and dies, especially if they're a citizen of this country. Yes it was for our esteemed retard Eric Holder who ignores laws he doesn't agree with but that's beside the point. The US Military killed a US Citizen here without due process under the guises that it was "justified." Shit, If any of us tried that the judge would laugh at us and lock us up and throw away the key if we committed premeditated murder. True Anwar al-Awlaki could have been considered a terrorist but he still was a citizen of this country and by the governments labeling him a terrorist that now suddenly makes him a valid target? This sounds like Ruby Ridge all over again and I'm sorry I thought we were a nation of laws where the rights of the accused were protected. This administration has obviously gone way the fuck over the line here in this.
Go capture him, put him on trial but what gave this administration the right to start bypassing constitutional and civil rights afforded to all citizens? This is abhorrent.
Ghz is king because not all workloads are multithreaded enough to take advantage of multiple cores/threads. Eventually software engineers will catch up and start leveraging what the architecture provides I'd bet that 8 out of 10 COTS packages out there at least in the Desktop arena don't take advantage multithreading.
Well then since our Helium reserves come from Oil and Natural Gas drilling, all I can say is Drill baby Drill!
When I started TIG welding in the 70s, Helium tanks were about $30/bottle which was still expensive considering a mortgage for a decent home was $300. Now all I use is Argon which is a bitch when trying to weld overhead.
John Bennett points us to an article in the NY Times that claims to be about how China is gearing up to be an innovation powerhouse rather than just known for “copying.” Of course, the actual focus of the article is about how China is trying to get a lot more patents. In fact, we covered this very issue back in October, highlighting how China has set an “innovation policy” that appears much more focused on getting more patents, rather than increasing innovation. There are, of course, some people who still think that the number of patents is a proxy for innovation, but this claim has been debunked so many times, it’s just kind of cute when people still bring it up.
So, could it be that thanks to sustained US pressure on China to “crack down” on infringement, that China has suddenly come to believe that patents equal innovation? Last month, just before some diplomatic meetings between the US and China over trade issues, US officials did their usual misleading grandstanding about how China doesn’t do enough to “protect” US intellectual property. And, in response, Chinese officials did their usual song-and-dance about how they’re really serious about intellectual property now, and we should stop worrying.
Of course, as we’ve pointed out, China seems to be much more aggressive with intellectual property lately, but not in the way the US wants. That is, it’s been using patent and copyright laws to make life more difficult for foreign companies, specifically US companies. And, in reading through the details of that NY Times article above, it looks like they’re planning to do more of the same.
Oh no question, high thread counts would make sense for say a web service application server vs. something more compute intensive. None of these architectures will ever be in the terraflop or petaflop range for that so there will still be need for specialization of highly compute intensive workloads to those kinds of systems. One thing that will kill this architecture is software compatibility, so it'd be interesting to see if it does take off. In the meantime Moore's law will keep pushing the Sparc and Intel teams to most likely surpass this in say 5 years or maybe license/adapt some of the features into existing designs.
I think MAD had more to do with keeping the Soviets on their side of the Iron Curtain more than anything else. Sure, some of these were interesting like that Jeep Nuke but yeah, crazy job and pity the poor soldier who had to fire one because NFW could you get out of the way fast enough. Also when these were developed our missile technology wasn't all that great, think Jupiter class missiles, so from a tactical sense I can't see how a strategic weapon makes much sense unless it's a last ditch hail-mary philosophy.
Some of us run better than off the shelf liquid cooling, no hassles and for less than 300 bucks. I have a nice system and it's quiet because I can run the big fans. Sure, Liquid Nitrogen systems are available but the OP was about stopping the rev up process, since 8Ghz is now possible, the barrier needs to be set higher. I don't think we'll see it anytime within the next five years but maybe.
Nope, Liquid Nitrogen cooling gets you past the speed limits. How about over 8Ghz on a chip that costs less than $200? Going to Helium and you can get over 8.5Ghz. although both become a bit unweildy when it comes to game play because I don't want my hard drives to freeze. I love that last video there's some real country boy engineering there including using a propane torch and a hair dryer to keep certain components from freezing.
Cache coherency has been one of the banes of multicore architecture for years. It's nice to see a different approach but chip manufacturers are already getting high performance results without introducing additional complexity. The Oracle (Sun) Sparc T5 architecture has 16 cores with 128 threads running at 3.6Ghz. It gives a few more years to Solaris at least but it's still a hell of a processor. For you Intel fans the E7-2790 v2 sports 15 cores with 30 threads with a 37.5MB cache so they're doing something right because it screams and is capable of 85GB/s memory throughput.
I'm sure the chip architects are looking at this research but somehow I think they're already ahead of the curve because these kinds of cores/threads are jumps ahead of where we were just a few years ago. Anybody remember the first Pentium Dual Core and The UltraSparc T1?
You know with the thought of nuclear proliferation I still wonder to this day WTF they were thinking with that thing? That M388 round packed a lot of punch and was small, so it could disappear quickly into any third world country.
I saw one an M65 up close at the Army Artillery Museum in Oklahoma. Let's see fire a nuke out of a cannon. It was tested but no fucking way would I be the guy on the firing line with one of those things.
Only 50% found it critical enough to deal with the problem quickly. The rest either have embedded systems or dependencies that are preventing them from upgrading or they aren't savvy enough to know that they're system is vulnerable. For example systems on Ubuntu 13.04 didn't get the heartbleed fix because 13.04 is at end of support, necessitating to first upgrade to 13.10 before getting the fix. You can of course roll your own and build it yourself etc. but most organizations aren't going to do that. There's also that small percentage that will never upgrade no matter what because they're is some other reason not to, org blow back or systems are near end of life for example.
I'm appalled by the fact that folks are somehow astonished by this. Older workers have much more experience and presumably wisdom. That may make them appear to be more difficult to manage and let's face it, no manager wants to have workers reporting to them with more experience. I don't care how good the management team is, if they know they feel threatened by experience they'll want it weeded out quickly rather than leveraging it.
Older workers also have different salary requirements than say somebody just starting out. That's a put off if a company knows they can get 1.7 of young dumb college kid for every older worker. I'm using the young dumb part metaphorically so please don't flame. If' you've been in the service you'll know the last part too.
The sad part about it is just because somebody is older doesn't mean that they're not just as productive. Sure they'll probably not take the abuse that a just out of college hire would and why should they? If the company can't plan and doesn't have sufficient resources to do a task, then flogging the staff only creates burnout and turnover. I'm approaching 53 now and I won't pull all weekend coding sessions as a rule but will if it's necessary to get things done and that's the mistake. That's counter culture to some companies who think that they have to run in panic mode constantly and force everybody on a death march. That's why they think younger workers will fare better. Is it discrimination? Yes. Can anything be done about it? Well how are we about diversity in general? You see that's the rub, if diversity is for everybody then why can you exclude older workers? Maybe if I was female or ethnic then it would benefit me? Naw, judge me on what I can do for you and how it gets done not on how old I am or what race or gender I am.
Come get the )(*)!# Bees Nest in my tree please, they're doing fine. Also I thought the pesticide link was conclusive? How about banning imidacloprid and clothianidin as well?
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there's a fine line where this can be the case. There's a lot of people on the fringe, frankly in the past 13 years more and more on the fringe because of the way this nation handled 9/11. We've probably produced more possible terrorists because of those activities. This individual was not as the document points out in a field of warfare where the US was conducting operations and we executed, clinically by the DoD with a nod from the Justice Department. There was no evidence presented in the document, just the statement about "facts presented" that are not spelled out. My biggest problem with this is that the executive branch of the government conducted this operation and neither the judicial nor legislative branches seem to have been involved here. In the situation you bring up, it's up to the courts to decided if a homicide is justifiable, not up to the executive branch. Setting this precedent means that if anybody, including a citizen of the US fits in the same mold or close to it as this guy, they'll say "we did it before." and they'll kill you. No trial, no judicial review you're dead and oh and you're not even in a war zone, how cool is that? The past two administrations with a nod from the courts and congress have trampled all over our constitution to the point that due process of law is completely twisted and unrecognizable.
So if you're on the fringe, or you fit in the same mold as a possible terrorist the government now seems to assert its authority to kill you wherever you are. It doesn't have to be proven even if you're a citizen that you may or may not have committed a crime, they just have to have a suspicion. I think that's what the ACLU are looking at in this FOIA case and while I'm not a big fan of the ACLU, I'll gladly donate to their cause over this and other constitutional rights issues post 9/11 because we've become a police state. We've held enemy combatants in Guantanamo without due process of law because they're not US citizens which is another great shining example of how truly fucked we've become. No Trial, No right to hear the evidence, you'll just rot away. Disgusting.
When I was growing up I was able to watch the news coverage of Robert Kennedy's assassination. Appalling as it was, Sirhan Sirhan was brought to trial and found guilty of his crime and is rotting in prison. The same was said over the Tate Labianca murders where Charles Manson was sentenced to death but his sentence was commuted to life, He was found in a court of law to have ordered the deaths of 7 people but he had due process of law and had a trial. Evidence was presented and he was convicted and yet he has been able to live his life, in prison, but that's more time than those 7 people. The same could be said about Richard Ramierz. And on and on. They all fit the same mold as Al-Awlaki and probably killed more people but that evidence will never be known right because Al-Awlaki was never brought to trial where the evidence can be presented. It's all in a folder somewhere redacted.
I'm not saying Al-Awlaki was a model citizen, far from it, he was a nut job but isn't Manson? Because we now have the technological means of killing somebody the government doesn't like, anywhere, we've allowed future administrations to have the same tool at their disposal, without review, without somebody independently looking at the situation and saying "wait, this isn't right..."
I understand that but we had the B52s, the B47s and in 1960 the B58s and true, long range ICBMs (Minuteman in this case) didn't come online until the early 60s but that doesn't mean a few B52s of which quite a few were based in England couldn't have dropped a few H-Bombs on Eastern Europe if they ever needed to. That's why they were there to begin with. To my recollection I don't think the Soviets had a nuke proof tank or at least one that could hold up to a few million degrees of heat. It's the thought that you'd handle a nuke with field artillery is a bit bizarre in terms of weapons development and the Atomic Annie was surely a deterrent but I can't imagine being on the gun crew knowing it's a fire once and you're toast sort of thing. Much less the Davy Crockett or the Jeep Nuke for that matter because it seems that the Army kind of felt left out of the Nukes. The Air Force had the Nukes on their planes, they had the Jupiter Missiles and there were plans from the early 50s for a missile deployed sub. That meant that the Navy was going to eventually get Nukes. So where did the Army get it's Nukes? It did so with these weapons.
Atomic Annies were moved around all the time to try and avoid detection but lets face it, they were so big you couldn't hide them very well and we all know the Soviets had spies everywhere because we had spies in the Soviet Union so I'm sure after one or two rounds the Atomic Annies would have been wiped out by a Soviet tactical nuke or a bombing raid.
Premeditated Murder, a Capital crime punishable by death in some states.
Since when does a fucking bureaucrat, an acting assistant attorney general put some shit like this together and allows a capricious administration to decide who lives and dies, especially if they're a citizen of this country. Yes it was for our esteemed retard Eric Holder who ignores laws he doesn't agree with but that's beside the point. The US Military killed a US Citizen here without due process under the guises that it was "justified." Shit, If any of us tried that the judge would laugh at us and lock us up and throw away the key if we committed premeditated murder. True Anwar al-Awlaki could have been considered a terrorist but he still was a citizen of this country and by the governments labeling him a terrorist that now suddenly makes him a valid target? This sounds like Ruby Ridge all over again and I'm sorry I thought we were a nation of laws where the rights of the accused were protected. This administration has obviously gone way the fuck over the line here in this.
Go capture him, put him on trial but what gave this administration the right to start bypassing constitutional and civil rights afforded to all citizens? This is abhorrent.
Ghz is king because not all workloads are multithreaded enough to take advantage of multiple cores/threads. Eventually software engineers will catch up and start
leveraging what the architecture provides I'd bet that 8 out of 10 COTS packages out there at least in the Desktop arena don't take advantage multithreading.
Well then since our Helium reserves come from Oil and Natural Gas drilling, all I can say is Drill baby Drill!
When I started TIG welding in the 70s, Helium tanks were about $30/bottle which was still expensive considering a mortgage for a decent home was $300. Now all I use is Argon which is a bitch when trying to weld overhead.
John Bennett points us to an article in the NY Times that claims to be about how China is gearing up to be an innovation powerhouse rather than just known for “copying.” Of course, the actual focus of the article is about how China is trying to get a lot more patents. In fact, we covered this very issue back in October, highlighting how China has set an “innovation policy” that appears much more focused on getting more patents, rather than increasing innovation. There are, of course, some people who still think that the number of patents is a proxy for innovation, but this claim has been debunked so many times, it’s just kind of cute when people still bring it up.
So, could it be that thanks to sustained US pressure on China to “crack down” on infringement, that China has suddenly come to believe that patents equal innovation? Last month, just before some diplomatic meetings between the US and China over trade issues, US officials did their usual misleading grandstanding about how China doesn’t do enough to “protect” US intellectual property. And, in response, Chinese officials did their usual song-and-dance about how they’re really serious about intellectual property now, and we should stop worrying.
Of course, as we’ve pointed out, China seems to be much more aggressive with intellectual property lately, but not in the way the US wants. That is, it’s been using patent and copyright laws to make life more difficult for foreign companies, specifically US companies. And, in reading through the details of that NY Times article above, it looks like they’re planning to do more of the same.
Oh no question, high thread counts would make sense for say a web service application server vs. something more compute intensive. None of these architectures will ever be in the terraflop or petaflop range for that so there will still be need for specialization of highly compute intensive workloads to those kinds of systems. One thing that will kill this architecture is software compatibility, so it'd be interesting to see if it does take off. In the meantime Moore's law will keep pushing the Sparc and Intel teams to most likely surpass this in say 5 years or maybe license/adapt some of the features into existing designs.
I think MAD had more to do with keeping the Soviets on their side of the Iron Curtain more than anything else. Sure, some of these were interesting like that Jeep Nuke but yeah, crazy job and pity the poor soldier who had to fire one because NFW could you get out of the way fast enough. Also when these were developed our missile technology wasn't all that great, think Jupiter class missiles, so from a tactical sense I can't see how a strategic weapon makes much sense unless it's a last
ditch hail-mary philosophy.
No, how can something be steampunk before steampunk? Maybe the Wild Wild West started the trend that became steampunk?
Yup, lots of brass but unusual contraptions to say the least.
Oh yeah plus Liquid Helium is becoming rare. http://phys.org/news201853523....
Some of us run better than off the shelf liquid cooling, no hassles and for less than 300 bucks. I have a nice system and it's quiet because I can run the big fans. Sure, Liquid Nitrogen systems are available but the OP was about stopping the rev up process, since 8Ghz is now possible, the barrier needs to be set higher. I don't think we'll see it anytime within the next five years but maybe.
I'm hoping the rest of the world ignores the Chinese Patents much like the Chinese ignore those of everybody else.
Nope, Liquid Nitrogen cooling gets you past the speed limits. How about over 8Ghz on a chip that costs less than $200? Going to Helium and you can get over 8.5Ghz. although both become a bit unweildy when it comes to game play because I don't want my hard drives to freeze. I love that last video there's some real country boy engineering there including using a propane torch and a hair dryer to keep certain components from freezing.
Immense? Immense you say? Try IBM's mega footprint z196 at over 512mm^2 is one big ass chip.
Cache coherency has been one of the banes of multicore architecture for years. It's nice to see a different approach but chip manufacturers are already getting high performance results without introducing additional complexity. The Oracle (Sun) Sparc T5 architecture has 16 cores with 128 threads running at 3.6Ghz. It gives a few more years to Solaris at least but it's still a hell of a processor. For you Intel fans the E7-2790 v2 sports 15 cores with 30 threads with a 37.5MB cache so they're doing something right because it screams and is capable of 85GB/s memory throughput.
I'm sure the chip architects are looking at this research but somehow I think they're already ahead of the curve because these kinds of cores/threads are jumps ahead of where we were just a few years ago. Anybody remember the first Pentium Dual Core and The UltraSparc T1?
You know with the thought of nuclear proliferation I still wonder to this day WTF they were thinking with that thing? That M388 round packed a lot of punch and was small, so it could disappear quickly into any third world country.
I saw one an M65 up close at the Army Artillery Museum in Oklahoma. Let's see fire a nuke out of a cannon. It was tested but no fucking way would I be the guy on the firing line with one of those things.
I was thinking Wild Wild West sorta contraptions. Brisco County Jr. is too newfangled.
Only 50% found it critical enough to deal with the problem quickly. The rest either have embedded systems or dependencies that are preventing them from upgrading or they aren't savvy enough to know that they're system is vulnerable. For example systems on Ubuntu 13.04 didn't get the heartbleed fix because 13.04 is at end of support, necessitating to first upgrade to 13.10 before getting the fix. You can of course roll your own and build it yourself etc. but most organizations aren't going to do that. There's also that small percentage that will never upgrade no matter what because they're is some other reason not to, org blow back or systems are near end of life for example.
Do I have to wear a jacket with question marks all over it to get the grant? Where's my government cheese?
I'm appalled by the fact that folks are somehow astonished by this. Older workers have much more experience and presumably wisdom. That may make them appear to be more difficult to manage and let's face it, no manager wants to have workers reporting to them with more experience. I don't care how good the management team is, if they know they feel threatened by experience they'll want it weeded out quickly rather than leveraging it.
Older workers also have different salary requirements than say somebody just starting out. That's a put off if a company knows they can get 1.7 of young dumb college kid for every older worker. I'm using the young dumb part metaphorically so please don't flame. If' you've been in the service you'll know the last part too.
The sad part about it is just because somebody is older doesn't mean that they're not just as productive. Sure they'll probably not take the abuse that a just out of college hire would and why should they? If the company can't plan and doesn't have sufficient resources to do a task, then flogging the staff only creates burnout and turnover. I'm approaching 53 now and I won't pull all weekend coding sessions as a rule but will if it's necessary to get things done and that's the mistake. That's counter culture to some companies who think that they have to run in panic mode constantly and force everybody on a death march. That's why they think younger workers will fare better. Is it discrimination? Yes. Can anything be done about it? Well how are we about diversity in general? You see that's the rub, if diversity is for everybody then why can you exclude older workers? Maybe if I was female or ethnic then it would benefit me? Naw, judge me on what I can do for you and how it gets done not on how old I am or what race or gender I am.
Come get the )(*)!# Bees Nest in my tree please, they're doing fine. Also I thought the pesticide link was conclusive? How about banning imidacloprid and clothianidin as well?
I think you're reading too much into it. Timmay is just doing a fine job.
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